One of the most infamous videos on this channel was the one where I claimed Pele is overrated. I made it back when I first started, and I’ll admit I maybe tried to clickbait to help grow my channel. However, I think it’s time to revisit it and once-and-for-all give Pele the credit he deserves while also de-mystifying all the misinformation surrounding his career, in a respectful way of course. Thanks for all the support 💯

"Pelé woudn't be so dominant against nowaday's defenders." Well, if he played on this era, he'd have been a better version of himself as well. This is why this argument is so flawed. The ball was worse; the pitch was worse; the refs were worse; the competitions were worse; the travels were worse; the equipment was worse; the staff was worse; the salary was worse; etc, etc... Pelé was not ahead of his time. He was just the best of his time.

1958 a 17 year old teenager in the WC Final on the road against tall tall Swedes scores a hat trick in the semifinals vs France then 2 more in the final vs host Sweden. 5 goals in pressure packed situation. It was Brazil’s first WC 🏆

Imagine 50 years from now, when our grandchildren call Cristiano Ronaldo "overrated" because he scored 760 goals against "lower class defenders than the modern defenders"

My father saw once Pele live in a Santos vs Botafogo in Spain. That year was 1959. Pelé was just 19 but World Champion and at his prime. My father said to me that back then, seeing Pele was to see a guy with two more gears. He was quicker, more precise, and more powerful and skilled than the others. The leap was so huge he made look the opponent team like newbies. In that game, he left 9 (9!) rivals behind during a run to assist in a goal. The whole stadium went crazy.

About defenders level, you also need to give Pele credit because there we no yellow and red cards at that time. He was beaten up all the time. You can see this a lot in highlights. For example, In the 58 world cup final goal 0:43, the defender tries to kick his knee

The "golden boot" argument is missing some important details. In 1958, at 17, he was the leading scorer for Brazil and tied in second for the tournament with 6 goals and won the silver boot. The only player ahead of him was Just Fontaine who scored 13 goals and is the ALL TIME leading scorer in a world cup tournament. In 1962 he was injured really early on so he was undoubtedly not going to be the leading scorer. In 1970 he was named best player of the world cup while having the most assists ever in a single tournament.

"So, Pele played against weak opposition on the domestic Brazilian League"........... This is BY FAR, the worst argument against Pele, simply because state-level tournaments in Brasil, throughout the 50s, 60s, and even late 80s were not weak, on the contrary, in fact, some of them (São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Minas Gerais and Rio Grande do Sul) were very strong. Even stronger than the national championship. First of all, Brazilian football was much stronger then, since almost all Brazilian players would remain in the country. Imagine if Neymar, Coutinho, Marcelo, Firmino, Casemiro, Gabriel Jesus, Paulinho, Thiago Alcantara, Thiago Silva played domestic. And, by the way, Brazilian football was much stronger then. The 1958 team? All of them played locally. 1962 team? 1970 team? 1950 second place team? Yeah, you got it. And I'm not talking only about first class players in Spain, England, Germany or Italy. Imagine if the hundreds of brazilian players in Portugal, Ukraine, Japan, Turkey, Russia were playing in Brazil. That was the situation until late 80s. Out local tournaments and clubs were very strong. And please, I beg you: find some statistics about Brazilian teams playing against European teams from that era. The great Real Madrid? Yes, beaten many times by different teams. AC Milan? Benfica? Yes, all of them. It's also important to notice that Brazil is a huge continental country. There wasn't a national organized tournament until late 60's. State level tournaments were by far the most important events. It must be said that some of Brazilian states are as big as most of European Countries, but football is historically centered on a few of those states. São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro were the main ones, with Minas Gerais and Rio Grande do Sul on close second. In the 1958 team there were 10 players from São Paulo (from 5 different teams), and 12 players from Rio (from 5 different teams). 1962 had 13 from 4 different teams from São Paulo. 1970 team had 11 players from Sâo Paulo (from 5 different teams); If you take a list of teams with most National Champions from the 60's until now, first, second, fourth and fifth places are teams from São Paulo - Palmeiras, Santos, Corinthians and São Paulo FC. All of them, by the way, are also multiple Copa Libertadores Champions. Not to mention medium level teams with multiple second place and third place national honours like Portuguesa, Ponte Preta and Guarany (1978 national champion), that were also playing on São Paulo. Teams from São Paulo have more National Trophies than teams from all the other states combined. So, HOW, HOW, HOW can one say that the São Paulo State was not a very strong Tournament, with FOUR high level teams and a number of medium level teams?!?!?! It was strong! Pele was playing against some of the best! Pele's team, Santos, was playing against some of the world's best players, and beating some of Brazil's best teams. Yes, Pele was playing against some of the best players in the world. And guess what? They unanimously say he was the best of them all.....by far. It´s foolish to compare those Brazilian state-level tournaments with German ones, for instance. They are not the same. Nowadays, people forget this, cause the National Tournament is well established, but simply put. State-level Tournaments WERE the most important tournaments throughout the 50's till the 70's. And you know what? THE SAME IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN EUROPE. Imagine this: São Paulo is roughly the size of the UK and has/had 4 high-level teams, Minas Gerais, with two high-level teams, is the size of Spain, Rio has/have 4 high-level teams, Rio Grande do Sul have/has 2, and so on. Those states had very strong state-level championships. One day, they decided to create a strong National Tournament and, little by little, those strong state tournaments begin to shrink. 40 years later, we are calling them "farmer's league" Well, Spain has 2 (maybe 3) strong teams; England has 4, Germany has 2, Italy I don't know anymore, 2 or 3. There are always plans for a Europe League, with all of them. Imagine if little by little they begin to abandon the domestic league in favor of this new continental one. 40 years from now, there will be people saying that Messi or Ronaldo or Muller played in a farmer´s league.

When he retired from the national team, having won 3 world cups, he was 30 years old. A war was stopped so they could watch him play. He inspired so many Brazilians to play with their hearts. Imagine football without him, man, without the magic of missed goals and the legends of a mythological age. Here in Brazil there are few certainties, one of them is that no matter who you are, you won't be bigger than Pele. It's like an unwritten law. Because he did so much for the sport and for us that even today, when we set foot outside Brazil, there is a huge possibility that the first words I hear with a local accent are... Pelé! Ronaldo! Samba! Ronaldinho! Cafu! Carnival! Roberto Carlos! Neymar! =D

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Pele was and is so popular that his name even know in remote locations of india, like in my native place (village) you can't deny that he and Maradona single handedly make football so beautiful and famous as we seeing it today..

My grandfather was a goalkeeper for AEK Athens and actually played against Pele. He always told me how he was the best player ever and how to this day, he hasn't had to save a shot as powerful as Pele's. When I hear Pele's name I get emotional because right away I think of my grandpa who died from cancer in January of this year. My grandpa was a great man and the one that taught me how to play football when i was 7. Αναπαύσου εν ειρήνη πάππου σ'αγαπώ όσο δεν μπορείς να φανταστείς.

11:35 Exactly. Pelé is so hard to "pin down" in this "Greatest Of All Time" discussion, because he was THE first super star who paved the way for not just future football star, but the professional game itself. European top teams would outpay the Brazilian FA to get Santos to play exhibition matches to get Brazil's stars & Pelé into their stadium. Tourists and locals in England alike would search for Pelé like the paparazzi, after he got injured in the 1962 World Cup, because he was such a big deal. Whenever people compare Maradona, Messi, CR7, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Cruyff, Platini, Beckenbauer etc, the oldest super star to compare to is always Pelé. But there was no one before him, not the Hungarian national players, nor Italy, Uruguay, England or Scotland, who produced such a phenomenon that transcended the game. Things had to change, after Pelé, so of course his accolades etc. seem dated, he was part of that change.

And the youngest to ever score in a World Cup Final

Fun fact Roy hogdson is almost peles age

Of course as young american youtuber I can see why you don't get the context of friendly and touring games, for cause many decades now, touring games and friendly games are not longer a thing CAUSE of how long football seasons are, but back in the old days friendly and touring games where an important part of the fixture so I think you fail to notice that

The thing about his 1000 goals is It was not Pelé who made the claim he had 1000 goals, Brazilian journalists started making the counting back in 1968 and traced back ALL the goals he had scored since becoming a pro, that's why the 15 goal he scored while in the army entered in the list. Then the 1000 goals Race was a really good, entertaining and important moment in Brazilian football culture, and it really piss a lot of us off when somebody who doesnt understand our culture or history tryes to diminish this achievement. A lot of great football players like the whole 82 wc generation grew up with this momento in their minds. That's why players like Zico, Sócrates, Éder Aleixo, Falcão and many others were so good. This is part of our history, is It clear? And theres something else, those unofficial marches were more important in Financial terms than the official games. Santos, Botafogo and many other Brazilian teams, including the seleção, even prefered those games than participating the Libertadores or copa América. Back then there was no distinction, every game was considered official, with the money involved being the defining factor of what tournaments to play. Other than that, good vídeo! I hope you understand that football means a lot for us Brazilian. It's not only a game for us, It is a way to express our identity just like art, literature and music, be It good ir bad. We really do care about it.

Let’s not lie, regardless what our opinions are on Pelé, we can’t deny that he has always been one of the greatest ambassadors the game has ever seen. We also can’t deny Pelé’s influence and how important the name has been to the sport. In the end, to each their own. Great video.

If it was that easy scoring goals against defenders why didn't other players in that era scored that amount of goals

I am brazilian and for us Pelé image pass trough a process in our heads. As children we hear the old adults saying he is the GOAT and the young adults saying he is an annouyance on TV (Due to his image being explored in many, sometimes shamefull, ways). When we grow to teenagers we start forgeting Pelé and become fans of our football team and as the world cup approaches we start looking towards the national team main star (right now Neymar). As we grow to adults we start thinking Pelé was overrated and because, as Romario once literally said, "everyone knows Pelé only talks shit", we then start thinking as many young adults think and start saying that he is over rated. But then, something happens as we grow older. We realize that football is a changing sport and you can argue that at that time it looked more amateur but so did all sports and so were Pelé trainers and phisicians and sponsors and etc. Then you finally realize, Pelé was profundly special, he was so far ahead from the others that he changed the way the fans experienced football he was so special that people disliked when the goal didn't come from him. I only experienced that with Ronaldinho Gaucho and Romário. And I can't think in a near future where a non brazillian forgets Pelé name, but Romario is already quite vanishing, only the older foreiners know him. Soon they will also forget Ronaldinho Gaucho. Brazilian footbal ows its status to many briliant stars but the brightest of all is Pelé and that is why for us he is the GOAT, a nacional treasure that we allow to talk shit and lie about his numbers and sell us shitty products. Because we own him that much! We are emotional and suffering people and the fuel to keep pushing against the injustices and disrespect in our country is the tears of our heroes.

Most comments defending Pele are not even from Brazilians, so you can see how good he really was. If you want to see great defenders look for the South American ones at the time. The level of violence and of skill was 10x greater.

The thing is that he was so good that football in his era wasnt enough for him, so we need to compare him to todays evoluted era to see if something can beat him.

I personally didn't mind the video but it pissed me off so much when social media were onto it (the memes were funny but some people genuinely said that Pele shouldn't be in the conversation and he's not top 10)

No one in brazil says pele carried the team. In 1970, the brazilian team was called “the squad”

Pele was doing all that without modern tech in boots, balls, coaches, physiotherapists etc

Regardless of what you say about Pele 3 world cups is insane.

In Messi’s highlights vids the defenders also just stand around and fall over and let him carve right through them. Pele’s skills would destroy modern defenders. This is obvious from the highlights. Also you can’t judge whether there were horror tackles or not from his highlights vids which picked the times he wasn’t tackled.

He was never Overrated RIP O Rei

Raymar, defenders back then were brutal against top level attackers such as Usabio and Pele. In the Pele documentary (Netflix) it clearly shows this.

Pelé is to football what Paganini is to the violin, the difference is that we can't listen to a Paganini recording to check if he was really that good. Imagine if Pelé was playing without any video proof, the amount of myths there would be. Now imagine if Pelé had todays training and coaching, what a monster he would be. It's just impossible to compared different eras, we should just enjoy the myths.

The funny thing is that people go on about Pele's goalscoring record like he was a striker. He wasn't, he was a number 10 (clue is in his number). Half the time he played in attacking midfield essentially. But who cares about stats. You only have to watch him for 5 mins and you see that he was doing things that even now people don't do regularly, especially the fact that he was so two footed. Nobody is two footed, even nowadays. The guy had no weaknesses.

I don’t get how one can say Brazil was already the best team in the world so Pelé is overrated. But then at the same time say that the Brazil league at it’s time was not that competitive so Pelé had it easy. Also there were brutal tackles at that time. Look at the 1966 World Cup on how Pelé got injured.

The argument that he didn't play against elite opposition but also played on an unbelievably stacked international team doesn't make any sense. Back then when players seldom left their home league you could almost measure a league based on it's national teams performance at a World Cup. The national team was essentially an all star team made of players from their league. and Brazil won three out of four World Cups so their league was obviously exceptional. Most of the best players in the world during that time spent either all or a lot of their career in the Brazilian league. Zico left Brazil for a cup of coffee in Serie A and then went right back. I doubt that changed anyone's perception of him being maybe the best player on the planet. Also Pele was still playing when Maradona debuted. It's not like he's a total dinosaur. There were a lot of people lucky enough to see Pele and Maradona's career almost back to back and quite a few of those guys rank Pele higher.

Is easy to criticize Pele because we are not from that era to tell but just imagine another 50 years to come that era people will start criticize Messi and Ronaldo. What a strange thing 🙄

A player/team can only be compared to their direct competitors. This "of all time" discussion is folly. That being said, Pele did stand out as the best overall player of his time. He could play in every position and perform with excellence. He stood out and pushed the sport forward.

Pele's career would be shorter today with modern sports science and diet? Pretty ridiculous.

The legend has passed. RIP Pele 🇧🇷 ⚽️🏆🏆🏆

Pele in these clips look insane idk why he is being hated that much

My man Pelé scored 4 goals in a 7-1 match against Inter when he was only 19

I had always thought George Best was the best player in the world. After I had the fortune to witness Pepe’s greatness during a friendly game played by Santos against Newcastle on June 4, 1972 in Hong Kong. Newcastle led 2-1 in the first half but Pele scored 3 fantastic goals in the second half to win the game. One of the goals was the best goal I have ever seen. Pele received the ball in the midfield from a overhead pass, he ran toward Newcastle’s goal touching the ball 7 times by his head, chest, thigh and feet while he ran passed 3 players and the ball never touched the ground and scored with a volley. He was like a magician performing acrobatics in full speed. The was a movie that came out and replayed that play 7 times. I kept going back to the theater to watch that play. I wish somebody had that movie or video to show Pele’s skills. He truly is the king and the best.

Love how you just don’t mention Pele won the 1970 golden ball

Even if you say he wasn’t the best He was still the most impactful player in the history of the game. Edit: I understand that johan cryuff made the most changes to the game but the player that made football more well known and liked is pele, he changed the game in his own way and made it more entertaining.

Raymar ur no less than a brilliant analyst who argues only with all facts presented. love ur work mate keep em coming please

Here in Brazil, the word "Pele" means "the best a person can be" in any profession. Examples: "he is the Pele of Medicine", "He is the Pele of Painting", or "He is the Pele of architecture". That's his level to us.

Pele for me, is the most important player to ever live, and the biggest

You tried to make the argument that the defenders where not aggressive on Pele's era, but in 1966 world cup, Portugal kept kicking Pele all the game. Also in 62 he didnt play at all because of an injury, that's why his world cup nombers are not the best.

Goats are not one who have created immense records goats are one who are way ahead of their time and being way ahead of your time will automaticaly make u break records 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

You saying that they weren’t trying to break his leg is a BIG lie, if you watch the games he played in the WC. The players wanted to break his leg. They literally said it themselves.

Pele made the game of Football Global just like Jordan did with Basketball.

3 world cups. More than 1000 goals. "oh, he didn't play in Europe"... South American football was the best by a mile back then. He played among the best. An absolute beast. Best of all time.

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There are several misrepresentations in this video. For starters, this goal count controversy doesn’t take in consideration the football scenario of that time - most of these friendlies were taken very seriously by the opposing teams, even more than league games (playing against Pele’s Santos, probably the best in the world was a big motivation after all). Additionally, those excursions from the Brazilian side used to take a big part of the calendar, because of the monetary benefits of them. This way, preventing further “official games” against, in its majority, much weaker competition. Of course, some of the goals were, in fact, in less intense environments, but the quantity of them is nowhere significant enough to reduce dramatically his numbers like the video make you believe (maybe 100 to 200 goals of his 1282). Calling him dishonest because of the count is a little too much as well. As you can see, this was all a big gray area and one with any marketing awareness chooses the numbers that most favors himself. About the severity tackles and fouls in that time, the argument in the video is (choosing politely) pathetic. Showing selected highlights and, from them, extrapolating a whole football era argument is, at the very least, incomplete. I can bet that playing in Uruguay or Argentina in an era where cards didn’t exist and referees were very much not trustworthy was not easy. Finally, when Pele’s career was over, he was undoubtedly the best player ever and his aura was gigantic all around the much less global world. To question his on-the-field abilities and accomplishments is something that only the younger ones can do trying to glorify their newer and fancier idols, the older ones, however, can only admire and applaud Pele’s greatness.

8:19 kloze is the top scorer with 16 while femomeno has 15 goals

My grandpa watched both Pele and Messi live and he said Messi was better by a good margin.

Watching this after his death hits me hard R.I.P Legend😭

im brazillian and for that title in your first pele video i actually actively avoided your channel until TKS reacted to your r9 video. Thats the first video i watched from you, today this was in my recommended and for that video i chose to give you a chance, and it was a good decision. well done bro!

Brilliant video mate. Respect for coming out clean on your first video and I agree 100% with the version. Keep up the good work

First and I don’t think we can possibly judge Peles career he was in a totally different era he can’t time travel himself to play with the current era people like my father and grandfather said he was amazing but we will never know🤷‍♂️

the fact is that in that time the friendly matches has different value than today, i mean santos made tour and participates of tournaments and friendly matches just to people in Europe and the rest of the world seen them play so i guess is fair that he score 1283 gols in he's carrear and if you wanted to count just the official matches Cristiano even said thank you to pele and acknowledge their matches with military team and São Paulo state team because by the words of Cristiano it was another time and we have to considered this besides that was also pele who transform the football from just a game to an actually sports, professionalizing the game like doing exercises to have a better athletic body than the others players and he used to training basics Technics a lot different than many players as well so he change the whole sport's mindset and that is why not only he know one of the best in football but the L' equipe journal in a said based in vote that he was the athlete of the century after he ran faster than Jesse Owens who was the second placed velocist in the athletics that time so pele is revolutionary and in my personal opinion is really fair acknowledge him as the best of all time

When I saw his goals in the World Cups my jaw DROPPED

You never played Futbol from those times. It was very physical and you had to protect yourself. If Ramos or Pepe did one of there fouls watch the payback

Ive seen just about every footage you can see on Pele thats out there. Theres some footage on my dvds that i havent seen on here in youtube (probabaly here somewhere I dont know). But if you really carefully look at how he plays in all his footage black and white & color even with the resolution so off, you can tell he was the best that ever did it.

Great video! Loved your professional tact in talking about him in great respect while adding your own opinions and discussions

17 years old and already being the protagonist of a world cup. an average of 0.9 goals/game. overrated? i dont think so. The GOAT.

Defenders in Maradonas era where the most aggressive especially to Maradona

He says that he's going to respect Pelé, but doesn't even write nor spell his name correctly, really respectful

Nice I see you are uploading more often. Great to see you're videos

He is the best ever. Some might have come close, such as Messi, Maradona and even Garrincha, but no one could use their technical skill to be successful for club and country for such a long time as Pelé. He was, for me, also the most complete of all (had all the traits to finnish and creat, as well of insane physical attributes for the time).

Imagine how good Young pele would be today with all this good training facilitys

It’s really difficult to tell if he was the best ever as standard has increased massively in 60 years. But he has to be the greatest for sure, the number of goals and the world cups put him a level above everyone else imo

So your words are Pele is too good for his era, but that he played in a less competitive era. All the things you say about the training, science, skill ceiling, dedication, etc also apply to him. If everyone was on a level playing field and he stands out so much why is that. What it sounds like is if messi or Ronaldo were born back then they would be Gods immediately?? But they would also train, diet, dedicate etc the same as everyone back then they would not have the level of fitness they do now. That never existed then. It's like saying a fighter jet of today would destroy a fighter jet of the 50s and 60s. No shit.

You have to remember that friendlies and exhibitions were not easy games back then, they maybe not in a competition but they were playing big teams like Madrid, Milan, etc.

You guys talking about competition should know that the legendary 70's squad, only two other players were from Santos, he faced them regularly. You can't say Brazil was head and shoulders above everybody else and say at the same time his competition was worse, when he was facing the same legendary players you just pointed out.

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This is my favorite video you made you went really deep into it

Very little research has been done in the making of this video. In reality you have no idea just how good Pele was.

Pele actually scored those goals it's not recognised by the governing body but he scored those goals. the teams he played were actually top teams like Milan, Barcelona,liverpool and inter Milan. His team would tour Europe he scored the goals but it's not recognised.

I though this was a reupload at first glad its a new video

I’ve just found you! What an ace channel! I disagree with half of what you say, but what a pleasure it is to watch the videos you have assembled. Most of my disagreements would stem from the fact that the retired players would have had the benefit of modern training techniques, and in messi’s case, the most advanced HGH programme that’s legal.

i love this man. he’s just what i’ve been trying to find someone that understands football history.

Pelé is a legend, the best player so far, you cant deny it

Everything scales if pele with his talent was trained in a more modern era he would have just as good a reputation as Messi and Ronaldo and would be considered the goat with no debate

Ones who are saying messi and Ronaldo are better them him they will also be outscored in future and when football is more competitive people will say messi and ronaldo are over rated 🙄🙏 respect him he was there when football was not very professional but he was trained the same way

Great video as usual ! You should do a video on the legendary Alfredo di Stefano 👍

The point is how he played. He played football like they do today. Pele understood football more than anyman at that time. He looked like a player from the future and in my opinion was the best footballer to ever live. I dont wanna disrespect you, but you really don't have a clue what you're talking about

It's a well documented information that injuries and aggression were worse back then, you take a few bad quality clips to argue about the reality of decades of football

You say defenders play more aggressively today but you haven't seem what it was like to play The Copa Libertadores da América in the 90s. It was RUTHLESS and I imagine in Pele's time it was a lot worse

can we agree that going out of your own country's liga to play against top teams worldwide should make scoring HARDER, not easier? he toured the world playing against the best teams he could find. yes, some of those "easy" matches shouldn't count. but on the other hand: he played a lot against the BEST teams of each country he went to.

Pele was so good they force him to play exhibition match instead of real matches which results in him not having more official goals to his name, he single handley stop wars, he was more influential than politicians and royal family from various countries. Hate to break it to you but neither Messi or Ronaldo has yet to achieve those feats. His stats isn't what makes him great its actually in godly like influence. I'm not a Pele fan I am a Garrincha but facts or facts.

Why is everyone saying that players were all farmers back then? If Pele had the same training shouldn’t he be a farmer too? I hate it when ppl act like he is a player from this gen that time traveled to the past and is superior, what makes him not a farmer and treated as he is? He’s not this good by default, and if he really faced “trash defenders” then how come out of the world’s talents only Pele took advantage of it??? The attackers were scoring some goals and this Pele guy decides to score +1200 goals with the same circumstances as the whole world apparently it’s against “farmers” If they really were farmers then Pele wouldn’t be the only one with +1200 goals, ppl who say this r just denying his greatness NEVER COMPARE DIFFERENT ERAS!!!

Also, many people said, that for Pele was easy to be great, because He played for Brazil team, with many superstars. Ok. Just keep in the mind: after Pele leave Brazil team, after 1970, Brazil couldn’t won WC for 24(!) years. In 1994, and to be correct, it was so-so “victory”, after penalties. The clear Victory Brazil gained just in 2002. 32 years! And don’t forget 1998, when they lost the title against France. In those 32 years there were many great players in Brazil team. This facts demonstrate the the Huge Role of Pele in team. ❤

The level of defending was much lower in those days but the standard of defenders' tackling was much better. Hmm. And in two of the four World Cups Pele was eligible for, he was sidelined through injury, kicked out of the tournament in 1966.

It´s kind of funny how you say "comparing eras of a sport isn´t really the best way to analyze things" 6:30, but then that´s pretty much all you do throughout the video. To which I´d answer three things: 1. Pele is not responsible for his opponents mistakes. 2. If today´s players actually faced many of the guys Pele made look rather mediocre, they might be surprised how difficult it is to play against them. In other words: The very best players always make it look easy, and also have a habit of making strong players seem very average. It´s the same in virtually any sport. 3. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. 40 years from now, young fans will find CR7 and Messi overrated, too.

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I'm glad you did this. I actually kinda hated you and we had some heated discussions (which you later deleted) on that video. It was the typical casual fan point of view you had back then. Also your most disliked video which I thought was very deservedly so. Still you could probably make this same video for Maradona's career. And every "old" player for that matter, since the modern techniques will be always better. When George Saint Pierre (legendary MMA fighter one of the GOAT's if you don't know) says his GOAT is Royce Gracie, it's because what Royce Gracie did back in the old time. He was for his time so many times better, and thought of things how he could win from bigger opponents. And that is what I totally agree with. Messi and CR are regarded as the goats of our generation because they do stuff that every other player can't seem to do. So in my opinion it's always unique when a player stands out in their time, regardless of how far everything was. Because the same arguement can be used against your point, the facilities weren't modern and yet he still was so many levels above the rest, since he was 17. What does that tell you? That he is a very very very special, once in a lifetime athlete. I personally sent you the lists of the European clubs he played against and scored against. I don't know if you used specifically my information (which doesn't actually matter) but I want to say something about that as well. Yes, the games weren't "official". But there was no World Cup for clubs back then. Pele was considered a national treasure from Brazil, literally. So Santos went every 6 months I believe, to Europe, to play against the best teams. And as you said correctly they won most of the times, and Pele had a huge role in those wins, most of the times. Now, just because this wasn't official at the time, doesn't mean we shouldn't look back on it as official. Ofcourse, matches against the army, or whatever, shouldn't count. But this is completely different. We're talking about the best players and teams of Europe at the time. And all those legends couldn't play against Pele. It's as if Michael Jordan in his prime would play against the top of the world, although it's a hard comparison because the US is the biggest country for Basketball, and back then Europe was better followed than Brazil. Regarding Brazil. You're right, he didn't win those World Cups by himsels. He had a great team. This national team was filled with players he would play against in the national league with his club. Also, you stil doubt the players he played against, yet his Brazil national side which won 3 of 4 world cups he played in, was playing mostly in the national Brazilian league, where he and Santos were again dominating the sport. So basically the Brazilian Serie A was like the Premier League at the time, and he was dominating the best league in the world with the best players. You can't make the point "His world cups were won because he has great team mates", which he did, and then say he played in a low league, or trying to underestimate that league. In the national league he played against players like: Jairzinho, Gerson, Tostao, Rivellino, Carlos Alberto, Djalma Santos, Nilton Santos, Didi, Mario Zagallo, Vava, Amarildo, and many more great players. So that's a thing that gets overlooked in my opinion unfortunately as well. You doubt the defenders of the time, what if there were better facilities etc, wouldn't Pele also improve even more, under those better facilities, tactics, diets, etc? All our icons and legends called him the best. Just think pass these last 2 decades. Since now everything is so recency based... Maradona called Pele (numerous times) the best, Cruijff, Di Stefano, Platini, Eusebio, all of these legends named Pele the best. Check for yourself: www.goal.com/en/news/7130/hall-of-fame-2014/2014/11/11/5153688/the-best-ever-by-some-distance-what-they-said-about-pele Also, don't forget, Pele footage only started to appear starting from 1970, so it's not a lot of footage since that was at the end of his career already. There are literally 10 times more the beautiful plays and actions and goals that we have seen, but we will unfortunately never see it. I truly appreciate this video and change of opinion, however I think you might need to release another video in some months re-adjusting your opinion slightly some more again. This time crediting him more so. The official game stuff is really unimportant to me. Even more if you consider 200 of those 400 were against Europe's best teams. I don't think he is without a doubt the greatest ever. There is a discussion. But he must always be in that discussion.

What many people don’t realize is Pele was doing a madness in terrible pitches, hard rock balls, shit cleats...the technology, training regimes and recovery methods were miles in superior compared to today....if this guy played today imagine how much better he would be with today’s technology? He would be miles ahead of the Neymars and mbappes...Don’t forget he was humble, took care of himself, stayed dedicated and had that killer mindset which is such an important trait to have to be the best....this is why Ronaldinho and R9 (to be a little fair R9 had unavoidable injuries) didn’t reach the goat status...too much partying....so I have no doubt Pele would be the best player in the world today along with a prime Messi....he also made football look easy....made dribbling and finishing (with both feet btw) look so so so easy to the point I foolishly thought “oh I can do that” lol....but that’s what the real ballers do...they make it look natural and effortless....look at players like Messi, Zidane, Ronaldinho, garrincha, rivelinho, even grealish, Bergkamp they do things at their own walking pace and no one can stop them...made the game look easy and they look very natural....

I wouldnt say pele is overrated. Although he never played in europe, he basically laid the groundwork for most footballers today, and that's something we cant really ignore. As for the type of competition he played against, that's always gonna be an unfair comparison, as competition will always become stronger and more improved over time. Soon enough, messi and Ronaldo's competition will be seen as weak too. Imo pele and messi are tied as the goats, pele for his 3 world cups and contributions to world football, and messi for totally dominating his era and basically winning everything there is to win both individually and on a club/international level

Saying that Pelé has only two world cups is like saying that Messi has only 3 Champions league as they both played a couple of games during group stages and then they were injured and didn't play a single game for the rest of the tournament. That's what I've always thought.

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