RD-2000 - Nord Pianos Comparison

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Ben Allen

Ben Allen

7 жыл бұрын

Roland RD-2000 Pianos VS Nord Pianos

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@jessebondmusic
@jessebondmusic 4 жыл бұрын
I deleted my earlier comment, kept watching and ate crow... this is the best, most informational, and most thorough comparison and review of the RD-2000 I have seen on youtube. Well done, man
@gillesdaubos267
@gillesdaubos267 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Ben ! I have been watching several of your recent videos which I deeply congratulate you for ! I am amazed by the relevance and technicity you instill inside them; moreover you don't seem to be a retailer and therefore don't seem to have a financial interest in doing so ? Thus, your enthusiasm simply looks like "passion", doesn't it ? that''s becoming rare : round of applause !.. I am the recent owner of a rd2000. I very much agree with yr comments about the incredible quality and precision of the rd action, that's mainly why I chose it to handover my former Yamaha CP4. Right, the rd keyboard is a little bit stiffer but very little only, and this leads it to a quasi perfect approach of an acoustic piano.The CP4 was not bad actually but rd feels slightly better for me ! On the sound aspect your comparison with Nord is quite interesting and translates what I've felt testing those 3 boards : Nord sounds too brilliant, too metallic. It probably suits better to pop and new-wave. CP4 is softer (CFX), the sound is "enveloped" or maybe could you say "round" (I'm not native english speaking, not sure of all terms;..); it's with no doubt the one on which I would prefer playing a Chopin Nocturne or Serenade. RD2000 (Grand Stage) is a real balance between the other two, although a bit more "colored" than the Yam. It is pretty adapted to Jazz, my preferred register. On the interface plan, Roland have made a fantastic job on the ergonomics: it has never been so easy to access mix and match the different sounds available. it's very smart to be able to prepare one or several sounds (4 internal +4 ext.) before playing and recall or layer or introduce them at a moment of your gig with one finger only. I hate the on/off disastrous effect occurring on many dp when switching from one sound to another !.. To conclude, I am for the time very pleased with my new rd2000 and even expect to adjust it to "my ears perfect sound" according to the hardly infinite setting availabilities it offers. My only worry is presently a bad harmonic resonance on the 3rd D, but I wonder if it rather comes from my PA (Stage Pass Yamaha 400i). => Ben, have you encountered such a mishap - D key mainly affected - D# and C# : default audible but much less ? PS : Why has Roland settled such an "anecdotic" rhythm box in this 2000 ?..I've read here that rhythms of the formers rd's (700 or 800 as far as I can remember ?) were even better...not difficult ! => to James Harrison, on the topic "Stands" : As Ben explains, the KM is actually excellent ; I've just mounted the rd2000 on a Proel 260 double stand which is very good too. The lower tier is absolutely immobile even if punching on yr board ! The upper tier can be lowered very close to the main one as requested by James. Regards to all piano lovers in the U.S - Gilles - southern France ;-)
@321bigbang
@321bigbang 7 жыл бұрын
Calée ta réponse ! J'ai acheté un Roland FP90 (avant j'avais un kawai ES8) et vraiment j'adore ce piano ! Le clavier PHA50 est exceptionnel. J'ai des vidéos des 2 pianos sur ma chaine :-)
@sgchoe4806
@sgchoe4806 6 жыл бұрын
Aa
@marlboronegro
@marlboronegro 6 жыл бұрын
Great video!, also Roland is full editable, you can make it sound so much better than the video, both are excellent keyboard.
@maduroholdings
@maduroholdings 5 жыл бұрын
I just bought a rd although I didn’t like the pianos at first once I updated to firmware 1.5 and did a few simple tweaks with the tone designer I find it much much warmer and expressive
@ccmg6227
@ccmg6227 4 жыл бұрын
Ben, you are one excellent pianist, I am a fan! Thank you for the comparison, I believe the Norred one this particular one, I am a owner of a RD 2000.
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@ep73rhodes83
@ep73rhodes83 6 жыл бұрын
At first when I heard about the Roland RD 2000 I was excited to learn that it had the V Piano engine. Later I was disappointed when I understood that it does not have all the V piano models, triple string, silver string model, etc. As I listened to the presets, they sound basically the same. I think my main consideration now to purchase the RD 2000 is the key bed and the controller features. The Roland V Piano is still in a class by itself.
@dariuswitherspoon
@dariuswitherspoon 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I had the RD-2000 in 2018. You're right. The V-Piano sounds aren't there, although they claim to have them. Even the new Fantom, all the pianos sound alike. We remember the V Piano. Those pianos aren't there.
@zone47
@zone47 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, I'm amazed at how good a player you are! Nice compare, I bought a Nord Electro 6, so am glad to see how it stacks up against some of the other big players.
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 4 жыл бұрын
zone47 thanks! The Nord Electro 6 is a beast. Great Keyboard, and lots more flexibility than the 5. I’m a Stage 3 guy these days, and I’ve got the SL88 Grand to drive it.
@sumantasahu1910
@sumantasahu1910 3 жыл бұрын
NORD IS TOO GOOD🌹🌹
@cleitoncampelo8859
@cleitoncampelo8859 6 жыл бұрын
que coisa linda esse nord e o roland parabens eu vou ter um deste um dia .
@bradleywise641
@bradleywise641 7 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the effort you put into these videos. Would be very interested in knowing how you find the experience of playing (not just the sound) the RD internal sounds (sampled and modelled pianos) against the use of VI's (Ravenscroft / Garitan)
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I actually have the Ravenscroft, and I had the Garritan CFX (and may download it again as my copy seems to have been corrupted somehow, and simply will not install again for me despite lots of back and forth with tech support) and make a video demonstrating exactly what you have asked.
@bradleywise641
@bradleywise641 7 жыл бұрын
Look forward to that! Must add that your videos have helped me come to the decision to purchase the RD. Struggling for it to become available though (currently living in China), should be any day now. Expect the sound to be significantly in favour of the VIs (?????) but keen to get your opinion on the connection / joy of playing.
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 7 жыл бұрын
I hope it becomes available soon for you! I will say, just as a sort of precursor to the planned video you've suggested, that I found playing the Nord Piano 2 FROM my Roland RD-800 to be such a better experience feel and connection wise, that I actually sold my Nord Piano 2, kept my Nord Electro 4D (which as you can see here, I have replaced with a 5D) and bought the Roland RD-800 and used that with my Nord Electro until I sold the RD-800 and bought the RD-2000, which is an even better experience when it comes to playing, feel, connection to the sound. Yes, I bought the RD-800 because it felt better and responded better than the Nord Piano 2. I now use the Electro 5D and RD-2000 to have the same sounds, and still a better experience than the Nord Piano 2 or 3 (in my opinion, of course this is very subjective). So the feel and connection to the sound on the RD-800 and RD-2000, is phenomenal in my experience. You likely won't be disappointed!
@okay1904
@okay1904 5 жыл бұрын
May I add I watched this video a while back but it did not have such an impact on me the 1st time, but after a few years of tweaking and improving my monitoring setup, through which I listen to Utube videos and also do other music, this time around, your keyboard sounds on this video simply jumped out of the speakers in their perception of clarity - to my ears, everything sounded so crystal clear, compared to all other keyboard demo videos. There must be something you are doing differently - or is it just the quality of your cables - and audio interface - or the quality of your video recorder or the way you upload it to KZfaq. THere just is something extremely good about what you have done - I suspect it is painstaking attention to detail. What audio cables do you use, and what audio interface did you record this with? So much to learn from you, not just about piano but everything else that adds up to the clarity I hear in this. In conclusion monitoring and playback can absolutely change how one perceives these piano sounds, I once did not appreciate the Roland RD2000 sound but from watching this I realise there must have been something wrong with the speaker(or the RD200 setup) in the store where I have played this keyboard on many occasions.
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 5 жыл бұрын
I greatly appreciate your observations, and appreciation of the quality I aimed to achieve here! My interface is a Focusrite Clarett 8 Pre Thunderbolt, and the cables are Planet Waves American Stage instrument cables. This is a Sennheiser E935 mic, and the speakers behind me (which I no longer have) are Focal CMS 65s. I still use the same interface and same cables, but I've upgraded my speakers to Focal Shape 65s. At the time of this video, I worked as tech support for Apple. I now work for Sweetwater. You are quite right that monitoring and playback and make a huge difference in the perception of sound, in any context. I suggest using good headphones or studio monitors to listen to my videos when possible, since that is going to yield the best result. It is worth noting, that I don't use any external processing or post production editing with my demos, as far as the sound is concerned anyway. The camera is and has always been an iPhone. This was an iPhone 7, but I've used an 8 and now have an X. As far as uploading the video - one day I'll figure out how to do that in an easier fashion, but right now I typically record the video and audio separately, and then import them into Final Cut Pro and line them up as best as I can. Thanks again for the compliments, it means a lot!
@saeidakbari4788
@saeidakbari4788 5 жыл бұрын
at 18:46 and 18:59 and 19:28... Mind = Blown!! Awesome melody! (to my ears at least :))
@greenbunny13
@greenbunny13 2 жыл бұрын
Hello. Really enjoy your playing. Thanks for the comparison. I've narrowed it down to the mp11se, rd 2000, and the nord grand. In totally clueless when it comes to stage pianos and external amplification and speakers. Can you please give me an idea of speakers for a stage piano? Which ones are you using,? Someone suggested the kc 200 by roland which is an amplifier. Do I need 2 amplifiers? Thanks so much for any help you can provide
@instrumentalistjade8367
@instrumentalistjade8367 7 жыл бұрын
for me. the rd-2000 is great. the advantage of the nord ARE the organ sounds
@jamez123123
@jamez123123 7 жыл бұрын
How does that K&M stand, handle a heavy board like the RD, when really rocking out? ;) From photos, it just doesn't look like it would be able to handle it ... And also, can that second tier go any lower? I'm searching for something that allows me to get both tiers as close as possible. Not to mention looks good on stage too. :) I currently use the quiklok QL-742
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 7 жыл бұрын
I love it. Best two tier stand I think you can get, at any price. Extremely stable, and yes the second tier stackers can go lower than you see here. For a one tier, I think the Ultimate IQ-3000 is the best you can get, but for a two tier stand, having tested everything I could get my hands on (99% of what is available in the US) this is the most stable, best built, and most easily adjustable by far.
@MrBuzzthecat
@MrBuzzthecat 7 жыл бұрын
hey Ben ! Just wanted to say thanks for all the in depth videos you've put together for us RD-2000 newbies..I have one question regarding the RD that maybe with your inquisitive mind and expertise you might be able to answer? Is there a way to take all or most of the dynamics out of say a pad sound but have the piano it might be layered with still have the dynamics and velocity I set up under 'Key Touch"? when that layered piano/pad sound thing first started the synths ( of the 70s and 80s) had no velocity sensitivity and I prefer it that way so the pad sound just has a fixed level while the piano sound has the ups and downs (dynamics)...i tried messing with some of the "Velocity" settings in the Zone edit page but still couldn't get the result I was looking for. Best regards and again thanks for all the informative vids, Nat
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the question, Nat. So, you are almost there already. Here is how you do it. Within a Scene or Program, assign your piano to whatever zone you like (I use one usually) and then your pad to another zone. Then, hit Edit, Zone Edit, then go down and select your Pad sound in the list of tones. Move the curser over by pressing the > arrow until you see the VELOCITY tab lit up. Set Max to 127, or whatever you like as the max velocity. Then, directly beside Max, set Sens (sensitivity) to -63. This will give you the maximum velocity, which remains consistent at any level you play. Save your changes by pressing Write, and you are done!
@MrBuzzthecat
@MrBuzzthecat 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Ben! Thanks for the quick reply..i did try your suggestion and carefully followed it step by step..but I am still getting the same result as before... i set the Max to 127 and the Sens to -63..when i play with force the pad basically disappears and when i play softly its very soft in volume and also sounds like the cutoff freq is way down.....if i leave Max at 127 and put Sens to 0 the pad is still velocity sensitive.(if i play softly the pad is softer... if i play with force the pad gets louder)....at about -20 or -25 on the Sens the sounds volume is almost constant no matter how hard i play but the cutoff changes from soft to slightly brighter depending of how hard i play...so I'm still miffed on this one??? what am i doing wrong
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 7 жыл бұрын
That is not my experience, sorry. It must be the pad I am using is different from the one you are using.
@marike1100
@marike1100 7 жыл бұрын
For a modelled piano, the Roland sounds great. In a world of multi sampled piano libraries, it may not be perfect for all situations, but it sounds pretty excellent on its own. In terms of key action, both the RD-2000 and the Montage 8 feel incredible and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend either.
@AJmusiclovers
@AJmusiclovers 7 жыл бұрын
Hello Ben Thank you for all the nice videos. I play most classical music and I want to ask you which piano is best for this music style in the sound and keyboard feel (Nord piano 3 or roland rd 2000). Best regards Ahmed from Sweden.
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 7 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy the videos! As far as feel and sound for a specific type of music, that is extremely subjective. I would encourage you to play both of these keyboards if possible. You can't go wrong with either one. The Nord sounds are my preference, but the Roland action is better for me. The Nord Piano 3 is a wonderful instrument, but quite pricy, especially when it has virtually no MIDI control options besides its knobs. I do like the compact and easily transportable nature of the Nord Piano 3. Unfortunately, there is no perfect keyboard, all have trade offs. Be sure to research any keyboards you are interested in, and thank you for the questions!
@chrisna7418
@chrisna7418 6 жыл бұрын
Ahmed Jaber, What did you end up buying and why? I need to make the same decision now, also for playing mostly classical music.
@ItsThatJahncke2
@ItsThatJahncke2 5 жыл бұрын
@@chrisna7418 Well if you're priority is mainly key action then I'd recommend the Kawai MP11se. The best keybed you can get for a slab piano at the moment. I really do love some of the Nord pianos though, but then you can always go the VST route
@chrisna7418
@chrisna7418 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! The Kawai does seem awesome, but it is heavy man...
@ItsThatJahncke2
@ItsThatJahncke2 5 жыл бұрын
@@chrisna7418 Yeah it's extremely heavy. I could barely move it 10 feet on my own and had one of my friends help me with it. I did end up sending it back and getting the new Nord Piano 4. I've owned it for about 3 days now. Despite the key down grade I'm actually enjoying it a lot more than the MP11se. The best thing you can do for yourself is find a music store that carries all of these pianos and test them out.
@MrMrsalo
@MrMrsalo 5 жыл бұрын
Hello Ben, thanks for your videos, I have a question. Do you have any tip to equalize the RD2000 live? I know it's a very subjective subject, because it depends on many factors, but if in your experience you can help me with something I'll thank you since I could not give you a good live sound. Thank you.
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your question. I would actually suggest you get a mixer that has a good set of EQ options on it (high, mid, and low) and plug your RD into that stereo, and go out of it stereo. While the internal RD Eq options are wonderful, in a live setting, having the hands on control you get with a three EQ knob set on a good mixer, is much easier. Hope that helps!
@greenbunny13
@greenbunny13 Жыл бұрын
Can you please please please tell me what speakers you're using. I have no idea what speakers to get for the Rd 2000. Never had a stage piano before. Thank you very much
@okay1904
@okay1904 5 жыл бұрын
Ben Allen, what would you suggest for a keyboard amp/or stage monitor that you consider has the clarity for an even tone, no hype of any frequencies, i.e closer to a studio monitor - flat or at least not significantly colored - I like hearing things as they are, and adjusting my playing to this truth., and if any adjustments are in order I like the speakers to be the arbiter of truth - no adjustments there as much as possible. If you still have these RD2000 and a Nord, could you also do a comparison, whenever time is possible with you, of the electric pianos of the keyboards you have with you? Thanks _ I also love electric pianos, Wurlitzers and Clavs, and organs, and strings, and pads, and horns - I know - Im an Oliver Twist - more, more please - Subscribed....
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you again! I no longer have the RD-2000, but I play one most ever day. As for the best speaker for live use and studio use, I prefer the QSC K12.2 or K10.2 for live use (a stereo pair if you can afford the money and space). For studio use, having personally tested nearly every monitor on the market, for piano tone especially, I would recommend the following in this order. 1. ATC SCM25A. 2. ADAM Audio S3V. 3. Focal Trio6 Be. 4. JBL 708P . 5. Dynaudio BM15A. 6. Focal Shape 65. I personally use the Focal Shape 65s. Be SURE to invest in acoustic treatment as well, this is incredibly important. If you want to speak with me about any of this, feel free to call me at work! 1800-222-4700 X3045.
@MacXpert74
@MacXpert74 7 жыл бұрын
I agree with you about the character of the v-piano sound not being completely realistic sounding. I think the problem might be that the model of the piano is "too perfect". On a real piano there is always going to be slight differences between each key on the piano. Slightly differences in the hammers, strings and tuning etc. will all contribute to the 'liveliness' of the real piano. A sampled piano does incorporate those differences because they sample the individual keys. I think the v-piano modeling is not yet advanced enough to incorporate all these differences for each key. But future models might improve on this.
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 7 жыл бұрын
MacXpert74 The V-Piano modeling engine actually does allow for adjustments on each individual note, but what you are hearing here, is simply presets. Even so, "too perfect " sums it up pretty well. Good thoughts all around! If Nord had a Piano 3 that had the key action and MIDI control of the RD-2000, I would buy it in a heartbeat!
@MacXpert74
@MacXpert74 7 жыл бұрын
Ah, I see. It would take a bit of time then to program all those small adjustments for every key to get a more lively sound. But it could be fun to try out and see if the piano comes across as less 'dull' sounding by this. I find that the sound of the V-piano is particularly a bit flat sounding in the mid to upper range. The low-end does have the advantage of the modeling vs sampling as you demonstrated. Indeed the Nord sound-engine/samples combined with the Roland keyboard seems like the ideal set-up for now.
@alexasamoah2131
@alexasamoah2131 4 жыл бұрын
My goodness Ben! How can I get your fingers? You play soooooo good. Do you teach? Any playing tips?
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 4 жыл бұрын
Alex, thank you. I don't teach at this time, because I play by ear and that is a bit difficult to quantify and set up as lessons... but tips I can give! I learned most of my skills (and of course I am still learning) by listening, really intently to people who already play well and trying to hear what they are doing....and then literally, approximating that in my own way. Also, learning scales and arpeggios helps tremendously. I would be a better player as well if I took the time to learn all the keys and as many chords as possible. Most of what I do is octaves in the lower hand, and broken chords that become melodies in the right hand. I try to make the two hands work together as a team, not in a way that sounds broken up and distinct. Hope that helps!
@bradleywise641
@bradleywise641 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Ben, there is one other issue I would like your comments on: The built in audio interface on the RD appears wonderfully functional. How is it in terms of sound quality / latency? Absolutely fine, or best to stick with a good quality separate box?
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 7 жыл бұрын
A very good question! I find it to be just as solid and the sound quality just as high as the previous interface, a UAD Apollo Quad, and my current interface, a Focusrite Clarett 8 Pre. Very very good in other words. Latency is exactly the same as those interfaces (not technically speaking, but functionally, I don't notice any difference) sound quality is pristine, totally uncolored. In fact, with all the videos on my page showing the RD-2000 by itself, that is recorded directly into Logic Pro X using nothing by the USB out on the RD-2000. Anything where I have a mic or another keyboard present, I used the Focusrite Clarett 8 Pre.
@bradleywise641
@bradleywise641 7 жыл бұрын
Fantastic news! Much appreciated. (and in the context of just the right audio interfaces!)
@jamescastalde6702
@jamescastalde6702 Жыл бұрын
Hey Ben are you using the Roland dp10 damper pedal and does it work well through midi as in your setup with the nord electro.
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 Жыл бұрын
Yes, in this video I do. It works great.
@alexandrenevesadv
@alexandrenevesadv 3 жыл бұрын
I have exactly both instruments. Is it easy to connect them?
@rik-keymusic160
@rik-keymusic160 7 жыл бұрын
Very Nice playing! Is it all improvisation or are you playing pieces from a composer? In case you want to tell me witch composers you listen to because i like the dramatic stuf you are playing. can you recommend me some good artists? Thanks!
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Richard! What I am playing here is, as most of what I play, entirely improvised. I appreciate the compliments! As far as specific composers to check out, I don't really listen to or try to emulate anyone specific, but I do enjoy the music of Ludovico Einaudi, and it is possible that you may hear some of his influence in my playing. As far as my own approach, I do not read music, so I am playing entirely by ear 99% of the time. The rest of the time, I play using chord charts. For a good list of music that I find inspirational and full of emotion, look at Nils Frahm, Mx Richter, ólafur arnalds, and James Newton Howard.
@rik-keymusic160
@rik-keymusic160 7 жыл бұрын
Okey, i wil definitely check them out ! I'm also a huge fan of Einaudi !! I saw him in 2016 at Bozar in Brussels with his tour on his new album Elements... Absolutely worth the money to see him play! Thanks and regards from Belgium :)
@kikomi888
@kikomi888 6 жыл бұрын
Can i use my roland digital piano 88 keys in nord electro 3 73? So that i can enjoy the 88 keys in playing the nord electro 3 73 key
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 6 жыл бұрын
Kikomi yes, that works fine with my set up above, no issues.
@kikomi888
@kikomi888 6 жыл бұрын
Ben Allen thanks for replying last question. What sustain pedal are using. Does nord support half pedaling technique and una corda
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 6 жыл бұрын
Kikomi the Nord Piano does, as does the Stage series (via the Nord triple pedal) but the Electro series does not support this.
@bluesong54
@bluesong54 4 жыл бұрын
This was a well done analysis/comparison. I was thinking seriously about the Roland, but the Nord sounds just seem so much more subtle and lively to me, so now leaning toward the Piano 4. I don't think the action is as good but is it tolerable? I wish there was a local dealer with that instrument but it seems not...
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 4 жыл бұрын
Get a Nord Grand if you can - same engine, but much better action.
@bluesong54
@bluesong54 4 жыл бұрын
@@benallen5967 Funny you should say that, it was exactly what I decided. I bought a Nord Grand, delivered last week, and it's just bliss!
@estudioKen
@estudioKen 6 жыл бұрын
Hola Ben. Excelente vídeo de 1 hora!!! BRAVO!! No comprendo el inglés hablado (perdóname), me podrías decir cual de los 2 pianos esta sonando en el minuto 19:28 hasta 19:47 ??? GRACIAS
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 6 жыл бұрын
Guille Piano Music that is the NX Concert Grand from the RD-2000.
@estudioKen
@estudioKen 6 жыл бұрын
creo que debe haber un error querido Ben.... DESDE el minuto 19:28 es el NORD! me lo asegura mi vecino que sabe ingles. Confirmarme esto por favor!
@gabrielfernandino
@gabrielfernandino 5 жыл бұрын
em 19:28 é o RD-2000. se você voltar em 17:20, vai perceber que ele está trocando os timbres do RD.
@MusicalMissCapri
@MusicalMissCapri 6 жыл бұрын
Nord needs to seriously up their polyphony if it's still so limited. Their huge, great piano sounds need it. I'd like to know it's possible to play things like Rach Moment Musical 16.4 and Chopin's Ocean Etude on it. Imagine what those would sound like on the royal grand, provided the polyphony doesn't run out! Oh man!
@RalliRock
@RalliRock 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Ben....can you use (and save) Cut off/Resonance on the Piano sounds as well? This would be very important for me. Would you mind and send a short reply asap... Thanks in advance!!!
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 7 жыл бұрын
Ralli Rock yes, you can adjust the resonance and cutoff and save as needed.
@RalliRock
@RalliRock 7 жыл бұрын
Ben Allen Thanks, Ben!
@ian757
@ian757 5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting listening so far but to my ear the Roland was absolutely and noticeably quieter when you were demonstrating the low dynamics. I couldn’t understand why you were saying that the Nord was softer. It clearly isn’t or do you disagree having listened back to it?
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 5 жыл бұрын
It certainly seemed softer when I was playing it, but KZfaq compresses the heck out of everything, so it is difficult to say at this point. I don't own the Rd-2000 any longer.
@nalgazo
@nalgazo 3 жыл бұрын
how do u connect the Nord to play through the Roland? can i connect a yamaha synth to my roland and play the sounds ? thanks
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your question! You simply plug a MIDI cable into the MIDI OUT of the Roland (or any other keyboard or controller) and plug the other end into MIDI IN on the Nord (or any other keyboard)...then make sure both instruments are set to the same MIDI channel.
@okay1904
@okay1904 5 жыл бұрын
Oustanding - and your audio quality is simply different from most of what I hear on Utube. What audio interface did you record this with? Of course I love your playing. One day when I become rich I'll come and take private piano lessons or encourage you to develop a teaching programme. You live and breathe piano, the essence of beautiful sound - every note has a purpose, nothing extraneous, nor omitted where needed. You exemplify the term "Soul" - your playing tugs at every heartstring. But it also reveals the excellent soul that resides within you. To God be all praise. I am incredibly inspired. All of the world needs to hear you play, To understand the joy of music and the beauty of a true musician. And I appreciate your consummate knowledge on the technology behind digital pianos. Your communication style is simple and very trustworthy. Nothing quite like this video in Tubeland. This excels in richness of content, audio quality, relevance everything, and your masterful playing style... Of course it would be nice to have both a Nord and a Roland, but from this video if I had to choose one it would be the Roland....Not that its better, just prefer its more percussive piano with that "bite". I have played the main acoustic grand on the Roland many times in stores and was never impressed, but your demonstration has been so comprehensive, the next time I play it in the store, I will explore the NX pianos, which I absolutely loved on the NX700 but was not aware they were ported to the RD800 and now the RD2000. By the way although you have focussed only on the acoustic pianos, which I had thought were a weak point of the RD2000, based on its main piano, I do love the RD2000's electric pianos - there is something absolutely special about a few of these, which I find no identical comparison of, in other keyboards. You are a brilliant educator, and such an example of what humanity could achieve. Well done. and Thanks, that we can all watch such amazing artistry and technology at work.
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 5 жыл бұрын
Again, you inspire me and fill my soul with confirmation that it is worth my time, and these videos are indeed reaching people with light and joy! Thank you, I especially appreciate your comments on my playing. I am no professional when it comes to playing. I do not read music. What I do is more like a mix of playing by ear, and improvising whatever comes to mind. I do try to choose carefully what notes I play, and I aim for substance over the amount of notes. I truly appreciate you taking the time to offer you thoughts, and I am humbled and most appreciative! Feel free to reach out directly if you ever want to speak with me. Godisopen@gmail.com
@okay1904
@okay1904 5 жыл бұрын
@@benallen5967 Most appreciated - will do
@marcomathieumedia
@marcomathieumedia 5 жыл бұрын
Ben, thank you so much for your videos - I must have watched hours of comparison in my decision process - Nord, RD-2000 and Kawai MP11SE are my three "survivors" (so far!). As I don't play well, is there any chance for you top provide a few of your demo short pieces as MIDI files? Then playing the same piece on diffent keyboards in my own setting would help a lot. Thanks for all you do - amazing work.
@Leo_prado
@Leo_prado 6 жыл бұрын
You say "there's alot of resistance when you need it" (referring to the keyboard action). I say it doesn't matter "when" you need. either there's resistance, or there isn't.
@Christi3443
@Christi3443 6 жыл бұрын
I have a RD 700GX (so SuperNatural but no V-Piano) and I agree that the Nord in some situations sounds more natural. Especially short notes in the mid range (listen to 28:48 and try to ignore the bass notes) have something pretty unique to them that the SuperNatural/V-Piano sounds don't accurately reproduce. I don't know what it is exactly, but when I tried out a Nord at the store (luckily they had good headphones) I just really fell for the illusion of pressing down the key of an actual piano. A feeling which I never had to that extend with my Roland. But then again it is more or less only a nuance and I don't know if the Nord Stage 3 is worth the extra ~1500€. I know there is also the Nord Piano 3 but that just seems way too limited to me in terms of polyphony, split points, Piano Memory, and basically anything besides pure piano sounds. Also the keybed on the RD is a whole lot better compared to the Nords... I just don't know whether I should go for the RD or a Stage 3...
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 6 жыл бұрын
Christian I know your dilemma! I just purchased a Nord Stage 3 Compact, and I use it via MIDI with a Korg Grandstage. I LOVE the Stage 3- didn’t go with the 88 because I had to have those drawbars.
@Christi3443
@Christi3443 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting how different people are - I would definitely prefer the LED drawbars. I heard you saying somewhere else that you personally prefer the Nord Pianos over the RD 2000 sounds. I also found some of your Keyscape sound videos. Since the RD2000 can receive audio input via USB, how would you rate the combination of an RD 2000 with some VST sounds compared to a Nord Stage 3? Seems like this would be "best of both worlds" setup since I get the good keybed of the RD but some high quality sampled sounds. But maybe I'm missing some serious disadvantage here that you might see and that I should take into consideration. BTW thanks for all your super long "all sounds of keyboard XYZ" videos. They are really helpful!
@paulallenMacca
@paulallenMacca 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing this video id love to hear your opinion on Yamaha CP4 against the RD2000.
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 7 жыл бұрын
I will try to get my hands on one, but my initial experiences playing in a local guitar center were not positive, still I'll see what I can do!
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 7 жыл бұрын
John Lennon Fanatic I have a Yamaha CP4 on the way. Stay tuned!
@clydebermingham121
@clydebermingham121 4 жыл бұрын
Nord are always going to sound way better .... But the Roland RD has the better feel .... So triggering a Nord with a Roland RD seems to be ideal ...
@wulf67
@wulf67 3 жыл бұрын
Roland presets are perfect. Nord presets have more "character" flaws. They can both be tweaked; the Roland to be more subtly imperfect and "realistic" and the Nord to be more accurate and "sterile." Once you know how to dial in what you want, and you factor in the superior action of the Roland, the better quality control, and the extra $2,000 in your pocket, then it's a no-brainer.
@joereyes8835
@joereyes8835 3 жыл бұрын
I have been listening to a few of this comparison and the more I listen to them. I settled for rd 2000 to me is a better sound and for the price is a knock out dawn to nord.
@mikaheinonen
@mikaheinonen 5 жыл бұрын
Is it K&M omega keyboard stand? Can you recommend it?
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 4 жыл бұрын
It is by far my favorite stand on the market today. I would go for an Omega Pro, which is more portable as it folds up, yet still retains the strength of the old Omega.
@user-JM1967
@user-JM1967 4 жыл бұрын
Both are excellent piano sounds! The best? Ah, this is very subjective!
@TimWinarso
@TimWinarso 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Ben, could you tell me what speakers you use? Thanks.
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 7 жыл бұрын
TwinStarsCreation these are Focal CMS 65s. You are not hearing them in the video of course, that is line in from the Focusrite Clarett 8Pre.
@TimWinarso
@TimWinarso 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@samfajner
@samfajner 4 жыл бұрын
Ben, your eval of these two keyboard is great! Thank you! You mentioned playing the Roland because it is a better keyboard to play (key action) vs the electro5. I am curious about your opinion on the Nord Piano4 action, compared to the Roland. I played the Roland, and loved the keyboard actions, but not fond of the sounds. The nord samples sound amazing, if the key action is as good as the Roland on Nord Piano4, its a no brainer in my opinion. Care to share your thoughts about Nord Piano4.
@philotomybaar
@philotomybaar 4 жыл бұрын
I don’t know if this helps, but to me the RD has the best action I’ve experienced. I haven’t played the Nord pianos for hundreds of hours, but while it feels very good, it really doesn’t have the realistic feel that the RD has. I’m not super picky, so I’d be happy with either, but for my money the RD is extraordinarily good. It feels better than my U1. I’d strongly advise you to check out both in a good music store and I think you’ll notice the difference.
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your question! If I needed the best possible action with Nord sounds, the Piano 4 would be a frustrating option for me, simply because I find the Fatar TP-40 H to be sluggish compared to most other actions. If you already had an Electro, or Stage, I would get a StudioLogic SL88 Grand and use it with the Nord via MIDI. If you only need ONE keyboard for the piano setup, then a Nord Grand would be your best bet. Kawai action with the Nord samples...hard to beat that combo! Action in the Roland is very realistic, and MUCH better than the Nord Piano 4 (Fatar TP-40 H) but the Yamaha CP88 knocks them both out of the park for me. If it has to be Nord, I would get a Nord Grand.
@lucasteixeira9527
@lucasteixeira9527 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Ben, I have the Roland RD300NX and all the Concert Pianos from Roland have caracteristic Roland parameters set by the factory. When I received a Roland I always edit the sound parameters, and the sound become more real, according to my feeling. A friend of mine has the FA08 the piano sound and keyboard is the same of RD300NX, however due to I edit the sound he asked to me, what did you do? your sound is more powerful and deep, please set my keyboard the same. I did the same with another sounds as organ, strings, accordion (I add the sax voice with the Italian accordion + adjusts). When I compare the Roland keyboard with the others I did some adjusts, and my impression is the the Nord is a piano with a medium zone sound caracteristic and too bright, when you play a real Grand Piano you realized that the sound is kind of stuffy, no matter the brand, I am talking in general point of view. So the sound depends on you, your feeling, because when you put the piano in a gig or the church the sound is quite the same with same different propose, in brief both have beautiful sounds.
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 7 жыл бұрын
Lucas Teixeira thanks for your thoughts! Very interesting!
@rolandpiano3461
@rolandpiano3461 4 жыл бұрын
Roland 👍
@theclaverman
@theclaverman 3 жыл бұрын
This video just reminds me of why i sold the RD-2000 but kept the Nord Stage 3 88.
@wulf67
@wulf67 3 жыл бұрын
Can you communicate these reasons to us?
@theclaverman
@theclaverman 3 жыл бұрын
Yep I surely can:-) but first of all I would like to say that I`m absolutely not trying to talk down Roland in any way(they make some fantastic products)nor anyone who owns the RD-2000 (If you like your RD 2000, thats good for you. Keep making good music!). Here`my reasons: My first major keyboard was the Motif XS8, which I lugged around to conserts and gigs for over 10years. The problem with the Motif is that it`s a big beast to carry around. So in addition to bring the usual stuff to the gig: You know....cables, DI-boxes, keyboard stand, flightcase, a stool, a notestand and the motif itself, you also needed a chiropractor. So i decided to go for the Nord Stage 3 88 (and the motif also needed some serious healthcare after thousands of hours of playing and gigging). I was actually quite worried about the sound quality of the Nord compared to the Motif(which I was really happy with, minus the chiropractor issue)but was pleasantly surprised to find that the Nord more than surpassed my excpectations. The pianos sounded much more authentic, warmer and real compared to the Motif. The only thing I missed from the Motif (and I still do) was some of the DX-sounds (I think yamaha is the king of DX-pianos). So I got the Roland RD-2000 to try to close this gap. But...I was actually shocked on how bad this board sounded compared to the Nord Stage (And I really, really...I mean really tried my best to like this board)The pianos all sounded VERY synthetic compared to the Nord Stage (I really didn`t excpected this much of a difference). I went into the menus on the Roland and tried to modify the piano sounds (after watching a truckload of youtube tutorials) but they didn`t change enough for me to like it. This is what I heard: there was this very unnatural ringing in the midfrequencies (around 1000Hz) which I just couldn`t get rid of nomatter how I tried to EQ it. And I heard this ringing not only in the pianosounds, but also in the elecric piano sounds (which was the reason I bought this board in the first place). The other thing I heard: The pianosounds had a very hard initial attacksound, which I couldn`t get rid of. I know everyones taste is different, so I know my opinion is somewhat subjective (but as I`m classicaly trained, and have played alot of real acoustic grands, I also think my opinion is valid). But my honest opinion is: The Nord just sounds better, and is also about one thousand percent more intuitive (knob pr knob function) than the both the motif and the RD-2000 since there is zero menudiving (and I think the Nord looks better as well, not that this has anything to do with soundquality..hehe)..... But then...you can buy two RD-2000 for the price of one Nord Stage 3 88 (so I don`t know if it really is a fair comparison). But anyway; There you got my answer :-) -all the best
@shiggins9
@shiggins9 11 ай бұрын
​@@theclavermanI totally agree with your assessment. I bought the RD-2000 purely as an upgrade to my RD-700 w SRX-11. I'm totally disappointed with the RD-2000 pianos and EPs. These are what I primarily use and they don't do it for me. I've brought it out to about 10 gigs and I realized I'm trying so hard to love it but I hate the sound. I don't know what to buy next. I have a Nord Electro 6D but I need weighted. I like the Montage but it's too heavy. People say the MODX8 action sucks. I have a Casio Privia PX-5S and while it's a great controller, I hate the built in piano sounds. I love the fun sounds but you can tell I'm primarily a pianist and I'm struggling as I think all of these boards suck compared to a concert grand piano. I may just keep playing my 17 year old RD-700 w SRX-11.
@theclaverman
@theclaverman 11 ай бұрын
@@shiggins9 Agree. None of the boards sounds like a real grand piano, but if you have the budget, I would definately check out the Nord Stage 4(88 keys) or Nord Piano 5 as they have triple sensor keybeds and some of the best pianosounds found in any board. Also yamaha will very soon announce the next Montage, which I think will be a killer board. (But maybe overkill if you just want pianos and EPs)
@conhecimentoquincy5254
@conhecimentoquincy5254 7 жыл бұрын
Ben, what do think you about Korg Kronos? Korg Kronos have loop in sound decay like Roland?
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the question! Roland actually is using modeling to ensure they have NO loops in the sample (in the case of the SuperNATURAL pianos) or in the model (in the case of the V-Piano delivered pianos). The Kronos is an excellent board, but I find the build quality to be seriously lacking. I would not feel comfortable gigging with a Kronos unless it was handled with kid gloves and I had a backup Kronos. The controls in particular are simply flimsy when compared to a Motif, Montage, any RD series, and of course, the king of durability, Nord. The sounds are a different story! The Kronos is possibly the most versatile workstation you can get today, and I even give it an edge over the Montage for many of the sounds, and its sequencing abilities. I do not like the RH3 keyboard action in the Kronos, nor the synth action versions. I also don't like the long boot-up times, but it undeniably sounds amazing. The SSD inside is a major advantage for how quickly it loads sounds, and it allows the piano engine in the Kronos to include some wonderfully expressive pianos with lots of options to change and edit each parameter as you like. I don't hear any audible obvious looping in the Kronos pianos, so neither the Roland nor the Kronos has that issue. Kronos owners, feel free to correct me, it has been a while since I sat down at a Kronos.
@conhecimentoquincy5254
@conhecimentoquincy5254 7 жыл бұрын
Sorry, Ben. I forgot to put the "no" in the sentence. Roland have "no" loop. :). But you answered my doubt. Thanks.
@conhecimentoquincy5254
@conhecimentoquincy5254 7 жыл бұрын
I not have any keyboard, digital or stage piano. But I think I have a good perception. It is easy to percept the Roland PHA-50 is better made than Korg RH3. Roland PHA-50 is made with wood and plastic. I think this help to make the action better.
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 7 жыл бұрын
At the risk of angering the Roland gods, I will say this. Korg has an action that is well suited to electric piano sounds. It is the same one they use on the SV-1, and that responds beautifully to electric pianos. It is OK to play organ on as well, and even works for synth sounds. The PHA-50 in the RD-2000 and FP-90, is GREAT for piano playing, but I think the wood is more for looks than anything else. Simply put, it doesn't have enough wood in it to really be very noticeable as far as the way it plays. Psychologically, is gives you a good feeling to say and know you are playing a "wood hybrid action", but in actual use, it is difficult to feel very much difference from the wood alone. It might provide some balance to the keys, but if they were solid plastic, I frankly don't think they would feel much different. Kinda like Nord keyboards are Red. Does the red do anything for the sound or feel? Nope. Does it look awesome and give you a good feeling? Yes! Same with the wood in the PHA-50, and to a lesser extent, the action in the CP4... which actually does feel "woody" to me, more so than the PHA-50.
@conhecimentoquincy5254
@conhecimentoquincy5254 7 жыл бұрын
Hum, I see.
@Bredaxe
@Bredaxe 5 жыл бұрын
When you played the Harry Potter themed from the Roland, you could here the nuanced "clicks, felts, and hammers" as you said. It's an amazing instrument.
@jamessantos1102
@jamessantos1102 5 ай бұрын
The rd has the west coast?
@tunamusic6540
@tunamusic6540 7 жыл бұрын
nord sounds have a character
@chooocoooleeezhang1251
@chooocoooleeezhang1251 5 жыл бұрын
I am pretty sure you haven't played a steinway Piano.. Nords sounds Fake Grand Piano
@gb3496
@gb3496 3 жыл бұрын
@@chooocoooleeezhang1251 I have played a Steinway Model D Grand, a Bosendorfer Imperial Grand, a Yamaha CFX Grand - and can tell you unequivocally that the Nord piano samples sound much more realistic than the Roland.
@chooocoooleeezhang1251
@chooocoooleeezhang1251 3 жыл бұрын
@@gb3496 oh really?? That's your preferences.. By the way I'm a professional Audio Engineer for 20 years. Your ears are different than mine you can say what you want that's you're opinion but sometimes you have to listen with the Pro's cuz that's our profession. 😜 Peace buddy
@gb3496
@gb3496 3 жыл бұрын
@@chooocoooleeezhang1251 Your post stated: "I am pretty sure you haven't played a steinway Piano." My reply stated that I HAVE - several of them, including the flagship Model D Grand, along with other world leading flagship grand pianos including the Bosendorfer Imperial Grand, Yamaha CFX Grand, Kawai EX Grand, etc. And as someone who has actually played these pianos, several times, I can unequivocally tell you that the Nord piano samples sound much more like the real thing than the Roland modeled ones.
@wulf67
@wulf67 3 жыл бұрын
Roland can be tweaked to be more warm or out of tune, and the Nord can be tweaked to be more cold and precise. Roland's presets are brighter and sharper because that's what you want in a band mix. If you want to play solo, then you tweak the sound to have more "character" and less precision and presence. If you disagree, come fight me. These lazy preset comparisons are less than worthless. "We don't have time to demo eleven hundred preset sounds, much less demonstrate their virtually infinite modelling and EQ variations." OK, cool. We don't have time to listen to your shot-from-the hip opinion of twelve random, stock presets.
@timoteiirimia571
@timoteiirimia571 5 жыл бұрын
Nord piano 3 action or Korg GrandStage action ?
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 4 жыл бұрын
For better action, I would go for a Yamaha CP88, or Nord Grand. The Grandstage action is OK, but not my favorite.
@timoteiirimia571
@timoteiirimia571 4 жыл бұрын
@@benallen5967 thank you Nord grand has kawai action so I would buy a Kawai piano I think Kawai es8
@YogevMontekyo
@YogevMontekyo 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the detailed review and comparison ! As a Roland user for over 2 decades (currently own the Rd300nx), Nord sounds MUCH better. Both sound not even close to any good VST. Nord is best for stage and live performance. PS, modern sampled pianos also use some modeling, sympathetic resonance and other fx
@CrazyElephantBanana
@CrazyElephantBanana 5 жыл бұрын
what is "any good VST" for piano?))
@Armz316
@Armz316 6 жыл бұрын
Roland for me!
@johnpaton9587
@johnpaton9587 5 жыл бұрын
Not really sure how Nord get away with calling their keyboards "Piano's" when there is nothing remotely piano action about their keybeds what so ever. I haven't purchased the RD yet but feel confident that I can handsomely achieve pretty much any piano sound I like with it. Nord for electric pianos all the way though.
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 5 жыл бұрын
The Nord Piano 2/3/4 action is found in many keyboards, and the action from the 3 forward, is triple sensor and weighted...and feels and plays far more like a real piano than many others out there. What do you so strongly dislike about the Nord Piano actions? The Stage 3 88 action is an intentional compromise between “Piano like” and “synth/organ friendly”... if you mean that one doesn’t feel very Piano like- I would agree.
@TheMetalMusicMachine
@TheMetalMusicMachine 6 жыл бұрын
Nord sounds more real and "placed" in a room... sounds more resonant and sympathetic than the RD... just saying! Nice comparison!!!
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 6 жыл бұрын
TheMetalMusicMachine glad you enjoyed it! I agree with you, as you can see here, I clearly favor the Nord Piano Library.
@TheMetalMusicMachine
@TheMetalMusicMachine 6 жыл бұрын
Yes... even when I use vst libraries in NI Kontakt I tend to search for those libraries with sympathetic resonance and body resonance simulation. I favor the upright ones because they sound more "real" or "aged". And in keyboard instruments is crucial the release samples! I use the release part of the note or chord even rhythmically... I just hate a simple envelope decay technique set to replace the damper feel! Even with Rhodes pianos or Clavis...
@reacionario2026
@reacionario2026 5 жыл бұрын
Nord sounds sampled and processed. You have to hear a real piano to compare and not digital vs digital. Roland sounds like a grand. Nord sounds like a sampled ipad piano software.
@koenroels4549
@koenroels4549 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, Nord sound processed Roland pure real piano sound.
@joddo1991
@joddo1991 5 жыл бұрын
what speakers are those? pls reply
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 5 жыл бұрын
Josh Scheeter Parkers the are focal CMS65s, which are discontinued- but focal makes excellent speakers, the Shape series being one of my favorite. However, keep in mind that as in 98% of my videos, you are not hearing the speakers, but rather the direct line in recording done live while I played.
@joddo1991
@joddo1991 5 жыл бұрын
@@benallen5967 alright thanks.
@ferranmelero7727
@ferranmelero7727 7 жыл бұрын
Make a demo of nord electric pinos vs rd2000
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent idea!
@ferranmelero7727
@ferranmelero7727 7 жыл бұрын
Ben Allen thanks
@sumantasahu1910
@sumantasahu1910 3 жыл бұрын
NORD IS TOO GOOD🌹🌹
@billywilliams8846
@billywilliams8846 5 жыл бұрын
Nord triggering the perfect rd 2000 Keybed I will forever argue is amazing
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 5 жыл бұрын
Other way around, actually! The RD-2000 was triggering the Nord.
@billywilliams9284
@billywilliams9284 5 жыл бұрын
That’s what I meant hahahahaha! Love my Roland and actually set my nord up as a stage midi so I got options! Did you get a problem with Roland mis firing keys?
@ericnataf8430
@ericnataf8430 8 ай бұрын
Rd 2000 sound better and more profestional for live gig
@jeffreyreid6981
@jeffreyreid6981 2 жыл бұрын
The grand imperial it’s a Bosendorfer
@raymartseracarpio2056
@raymartseracarpio2056 Жыл бұрын
Im watching a comparison piano keyboards that i cannot afford
@clintonwaters3280
@clintonwaters3280 3 жыл бұрын
I was very underwhelmed by the sound of the RD2000 piano sounds until you switched to the NX pianos. The V Piano sounds so artificial. The Piano sounds on the Nord impress me much more. Torn between a Stage 3 and an RD-2000, although maybe I'm better off with this setup, get the feel of the RD2000 keybed action with the sounds of the nord pianos.
@charlesleseau
@charlesleseau 3 жыл бұрын
Just went with the Rd2000 myself. My read was this: action matters most. Kawai mp11se is best there, but it’s 72 lbs. The Roland is probably the most generous slab overall, tho, at its base price, and you can always use even the rack mount v3 sound grand piano xxl module if you don’t want to use a vst but are desperate for a plug & play sampled piano. I have ivory already, so I’m good. I bought the rd for everything else. Second best slab action, 1k sounds, fine controller, price, and the v piano as a kind of different instrument in its own right. Anyway, best of luck with whatever.
@clintonwaters3280
@clintonwaters3280 3 жыл бұрын
@@charlesleseau Thanks for your perspective. I think I'm leaning that way also. The way I figure it is that worst case I could bite the bullet and buy an electro and set it up like this if I was really unhappy with the sounds, but the V3 sounds might be the go. Cheers
@charlesleseau
@charlesleseau 3 жыл бұрын
Ya, I’m on a more limited budget. If I did what you’re talking, I’d be looking for a used Nord or the 61-key Electro. I don’t want to drag a laptop around for gigging, so Ivory II is for studio or practice. The ravenscroft stuff looks like it can be operated by iPhone or iPad, etc, but I haven’t looked into its sounds yet. I am very much looking forward to attempting a note-by-note recreation of my living room steinway M with the rd2000, including its little flaws. That little v3 sound xxl module is under $400 and has a quite decent Hamburg Steinway and a Bosendorfer Imperial, plus a bunch of other, less rendered samples. Its accordion samples are very nice, but most of the non-piano sounds weren’t so thrilling. Odd unit, but an easy gigging solution. Dexibell has a $1000 rack mount too, the sx7.
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 3 жыл бұрын
@@clintonwaters3280 Honestly, at this point, I would go for a Studiologic SL 88 Grand and a Stage 3 Compact. That is my current setup. I no longer own the RD-2000, though it is still a great board, I find myself relying 99% on the Nord. However, if you were looking for just pure piano feel and Nord PIANO sounds, don't overlook the Nord Grand.
@theclaverman
@theclaverman 3 жыл бұрын
I owned both Nord Stage 3 and RD-2000 at the same time, but I ended up selling the RD-2000 as I found it very synthetic sounding compared to the stage.I honestly didn’t except such a massive difference between them. But the RD really sounds inferior compared to the Nord.
@geoffk777
@geoffk777 7 жыл бұрын
You mention that the V-Piano has unlimitted polyphony, but you don't mention that the polyphony on the Nord is only 40 notes. That is just unacceptable for a professional instrument in 2017, especially at Nord's prices. A few big chords and scales and you'll be stealing notes. Even the Roland's sampled pianos have 128 notes. I also think that the Roland needs a bit of EQ adjustment to sound its best. Comparing the Roland without optimizing the EQ doesn't really show it off properly. With the looping, velocity switching, limited polyphony and ridiculous pricing of the Nord, I'd really be inclined to the Roland.
@geoffk777
@geoffk777 7 жыл бұрын
By the way, if you have Keyscape, you might compare the Keyscape C7 with the Roland. That's my favorite sampled piano--really massive sound.
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 7 жыл бұрын
geoffk777 thanks for your thoughts. Neither Keyboard shown here has any issue with polyphonic limits, in real life use, I've never had that issue at all. As far as EQing the Roland, neither of these were EQ'd in this video. By the way, I no longer have the Roland RD-2000. You can check out my video called "My Journey through keyboard hades" to see why.
@geoffk777
@geoffk777 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply. I watched the "Hades" video and replied there. But I still think that 40 notes is marginal. My Kurzweil K2600RS has 48 notes whereas my Kurzweil PC3K8 has 128. And I notice the diffrence.
@davehaworth2742
@davehaworth2742 5 жыл бұрын
I looked it up. Nord piano, 120 Voices polyphony for Piano Library sounds
@davehaworth2742
@davehaworth2742 5 жыл бұрын
V Piano = Maximum Polyphony128 voices .... look it up
@francescoferrante8232
@francescoferrante8232 4 жыл бұрын
roland rd 2000!
@paulomiranda6389
@paulomiranda6389 4 жыл бұрын
Roland rd 2000 vs nord electro 5d???? kkkkkkkkkkk não seria justo Roland 2000 vs nord stage 3 88 teclas Hammer????
@synth_brsynthesizersbrazil7808
@synth_brsynthesizersbrazil7808 3 жыл бұрын
ele usou as mesmas teclas do rd2000 com os sons do nord via midi...então tem momentos que ele toca no rd2000, mas o som é nord, não rd2000. sacou ?
@jeffreyreid6981
@jeffreyreid6981 2 жыл бұрын
You said the Gran imperial was Fascioli that’s not true
@gospelsoulman
@gospelsoulman 6 жыл бұрын
Are you kidding me?! Lol how can anybody take this video serious. You played all of the nord sounds thru the Roland keyboard via midi. Anybody who knows anything about midi knows that that’s not fair. I have the Roland V Piano and I assure you that any piano I play via midi from the keyboard/keybed of that Roland v piano makes it sound entirely different. Even very old Yamaha sampled pianos sounds very good being played by midi from the Roland V. It gives the old sound tonal qualities and dynamic range that it could never have. However, I’m a Roland fan so it really doesn’t matter to me but if I were a nord fan, I’d be pissed. You nord fans should speak up about that. 🤪
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 6 жыл бұрын
gospelsoulman I disagree. The Nord Piano 3 sounds identical to what happens when these two are played the way I have them in this video. I can even get the same dynamic performance from the SW keys on the Electro 5D, so as a Nord fan (much more than a Roland one) I think it is a fair comparison. Thanks for your thoughts, and Merry Christmas!
@FeronniTV
@FeronniTV 6 жыл бұрын
I'm totally with Ben on this: have done the same test with my RD800 and Nord 5HP and my Nord sounds the same played from either (unless i really messed with the velocity on the 800 ) - Prefer the Nord sounds but the Roland action though.
@MusicalMissCapri
@MusicalMissCapri 6 жыл бұрын
Have you not listened to the demos on Nord's site? They're not run through a midi keyboard, and that royal grand sounds absolutely awesome! IMO, they all do. And I also love my Roland hp 307.
@bobrobertson9547
@bobrobertson9547 7 жыл бұрын
No open architecture on the Roland.
@leandrorocha123
@leandrorocha123 5 жыл бұрын
57 mins....
@50kcrispyguy17
@50kcrispyguy17 2 жыл бұрын
All talk
@amirprog
@amirprog 5 жыл бұрын
1. The RD-2000 has a pitch bending control on the side and not up like on the nords. It makes pitch bending actually usable. 2. It has all the controllers you can ask from a keyboard. 3. Its cheaper. RD-2000 wins. Why complicate stuff? I made it easier for you.
@johnnulf624
@johnnulf624 5 жыл бұрын
Amir Amran The V-Piano sounds too clean though. The Nord piano sounds much more natural to my ears.
@amirprog
@amirprog 5 жыл бұрын
​@@johnnulf624 Nord (ONLY stage 3 and piano 4, the only once with decent keybeds) is great if you are looking for a digital piano and does not care much for controllers. For a total package keyboard, RD2000 is better (third place) if you want a more total package, and, the kronos is the best total package seconded by the montage 8. All else is trash, really (shit azz keybeds, etc.). If i had to choose one keyboard i would choose the kronos without even blinking. Worthy mentions, mp7se if you want to save some money and still get a worthy keyboard. Here, i saved you days of exploration. That's the top 88 keyboard world for you for the near future. Enter the store and buy. Drive safe.
@theclaverman
@theclaverman 5 жыл бұрын
None of them is a winner. They`re both good in their own respect. I own the Nord Stage 3 88, and yesterday I bought the RD-2000 as well(and I`ll definately keep them both).
@amirprog
@amirprog 5 жыл бұрын
@@theclaverman Hehe, 99% of people including musicians wont buy more then one elite 88 keyboard. Bottom line. My post is directed to them.
@phsycopiano
@phsycopiano 4 жыл бұрын
Roland hands down. For the price of the Nord you’d think it come with wooden keys.
@gb3496
@gb3496 3 жыл бұрын
Seriously...? And hands down...? Either we weren't listening to the same video or we have vastly different headphones... or you weren't listening with headphones...
@phsycopiano
@phsycopiano 3 жыл бұрын
@@gb3496 For me yes. The Nord is a great keyboard no argument there but the rd 2000 has a better realistic feel of a real piano and the big deal breaker for was the rd 2000 has the classic Elton John piano sound of the rd 1000.
@theclaverman
@theclaverman 3 жыл бұрын
I owned both the Nord Stage 3 88 and Rd2000 at the same time. I ended up selling the RD as it really sounds very synthetic compared to the Nord. Sorry to step on your toes but I think the RD really sounds very, very unrealistic compared to the Nord.(I also found the effects much better on the Nord).But then remember, you can buy two RD-2000s for the price of one Nord Stage 3 88....
@huwjones2117
@huwjones2117 7 жыл бұрын
Roland sounds very "ringy" and toy-pianoish in the upper registers. Nord much more pleasing to the ear. Just wondered though, aren't you getting the "feel" from the Roland keybed? A Nord piano could possibly have been a better comparison?
@Leo_prado
@Leo_prado 6 жыл бұрын
but we're talking about sounds here
@billywilliams9284
@billywilliams9284 5 жыл бұрын
Nord = woody but keybed is the worst Roland - not as authentic but just the best feel ever, on the other hand pop into piano designer and play with the buttons and note character. Keytouch on light!
@reacionario2026
@reacionario2026 5 жыл бұрын
Nord sounds sampled and processed. You have to hear a real piano to compare and not digital vs digital. Roland sounds like a grand. Nord sounds like a sampled ipad piano software.
@cplaei1800
@cplaei1800 3 жыл бұрын
Roland sounds so digital.... not useable for the ones with ears.
@gb3496
@gb3496 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 3 жыл бұрын
In a band setting, it works quite well... on its own, it is rather obviously a modeled sound.
@rodneylee4026
@rodneylee4026 7 жыл бұрын
The Nord sounds a thousand times better than the Roland.
@BritsRecsMusic
@BritsRecsMusic 6 жыл бұрын
white bird agree
@Leo_prado
@Leo_prado 6 жыл бұрын
it's ok, justify your nord purchase :) after all you spent thousands
@VeryVocalPro
@VeryVocalPro 6 жыл бұрын
Leo pard you need a new act. I’ve seen this same comment from you on multiple vids. If you do your research you will see that the Electro series being reviewed here is at the same price point as the Roland. And just to be clear, I have both a Roland Jupiter 80 and a Nord Stage 2 compact, and I don’t need to justify either of my purchases, to you or anyone else.
@Leo_prado
@Leo_prado 6 жыл бұрын
thanks for following my comments. you don't need to justify anything to me, I don't mind or care. oh, my comment here was not even addressed to you so you can get back to minding your own business. :)
@VeryVocalPro
@VeryVocalPro 6 жыл бұрын
Leo pard your comments are public, so when you comment that Nord owners posts are us having to justify spending their money, you are talking to me. Most of us enjoy constructive discussion of the available options. Most of us have no patience for personal insults. If you want to contribute to the discussion on some meaningful way, I’m sure we’d welcome it. If you just want attention, then this is what tends to happen. If you want people to mind their own business, maybe lay off posting immature crap. I really don’t care either way.
@luiginasti6667
@luiginasti6667 6 жыл бұрын
there is not Midi connection between Roland and Nord; how is it possible he play Nord sounds? Fake?
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 6 жыл бұрын
Luigi Nasti look closer. I have a MIDI cable plugged into the Nord from the Roland. It isn’t fake.
@luiginasti6667
@luiginasti6667 6 жыл бұрын
Ben Allen OK It seems no MIDI i can't see, but if my mistake i'm sorry
@johnrca1139
@johnrca1139 7 жыл бұрын
Why do you frezee when you finish testing each sound? like a robot oh and next time....i cant hear youre voice...try ti mix the keyboards and youre mic the demo it was very good
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 7 жыл бұрын
John Rca I'm not freezing. If you are listening on headphones or very good speakers, you'll hear all the subtleties as the sound decays. I was trying to let that be heard by my viewers, just as I was hearing it. As for the level of the mic vs the piano sounds, I could have made the mic a bit louder, but wanted to guard against the all too often heard clipping that is associated with these kinds of videos.
@johnrca1139
@johnrca1139 7 жыл бұрын
I just saw the video on my hdtv speakers.....you play very good it was a positive comment....i hope you dont get mad at me.....i always like to hear the speaking and the playing to learn about the video.
@johnrca1139
@johnrca1139 7 жыл бұрын
Is the Electro nord better than a Motif xf or montage ...i am planning to buy a keyboard....but Roland is to heavy and i dont like the Roland version of fender rhodes...yamaha has better rhodes,like nord...give me some advice about it. thank you
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 7 жыл бұрын
John Rca no, I'm not mad at all! Just letting you know the details.
@benallen5967
@benallen5967 7 жыл бұрын
John Rca good question. To answer that properly, I would ask you this. What are you needs as far as sounds and functions go? Are you planning on using the keyboard as a midi controller, or just on its own? What sounds do you need primarily?
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