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Love to see it Show - thanks for the quality work. Glad to be back for another video

excellent! Would love to see more!

Lovely video MadSeason

It was an OK video, kinda meh, taking 20 minutes to not really say anything is an art though, so... there's that. You should run for political office

!! The man himself. Thank you so much dude

@@madseasonshow That is amazing. Pin oldbess's comment for Maximum Feelgood (TM)

Thank you Oldbess! I enjoy this channel a lot.

When you back to YT or Twitch? Also, glad to see you alive.

@@JokerillaBF Thanks! Not sure, I have had a back and forth relationship with WoW. Been playing some other stuff. Have been thinking might get back into making guides but not sure the approach yet. No-lifing Diablo 4 currently xD

TRUEE

I wonder who it will be?

Mald

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Well... If the streamer is smaller than madseason, it probably wont hurt him. It's only when the streamer is massive and has some overlap will it harm the channel.

I understand what you are saying in terms of viewer numbers and algorithms, however due to the way Asmon engages the content(transformative) with insights and opinion based rhetoric, the amount of times he pauses to articulate his pov, it robs the continuity and some people hate that and just watch the OP content for an uninterrupted viewing.

Maybe a solution would be to have a system where if you officially give the original video credit, the OP would get the same amount of viewers translated to their original video too

@@qpSubZeroqp That's a cool idea. Unfortunately we live in a corporate hellworld where Google is competing with Amazon, so there can't ever be collaboration between Twitch and KZfaq.

so reacting is even worse ^^

Ever see a content creator on someone's video that you also watch and are just left like "WTF WATCHES THIS PERSON TOO!?" Yeah that's me currently. I love MSS and Lazy lmao

Watched it every Sunday with my brother and dad when I was a kid

IM SAYIN'

Yeah that was the first thing I thought of. I appreciated that he mentioned it

@@madseasonshow did you guys ever send them a physical letter in the mail?

Lmao, I remember watching some stray episodes of that here in Finland on a weird channelk, that I can't remember, back in 98-99? I was just 4 years old then but I clearly remember that show being a thing. Feels like fever dreams now.

I feel so bad for Darkviper, man. He made one ill-advised analogy in his essay, and all the dishonest idiots just completely dismissed everything he had to say.

I think he's pretentious because how dare some youtubers don't care that there vids gets used by reaction streamers. Dude its KZfaq a site that people upload vids for fun or profit and pirated content.

@@fakegeek5462 The streamers should ask for permission first, instead of assuming consent if they're not gonna transform the content. If they transform it, they dont have to ask

@@MrAskmannenI'm just pointing out that and i guess failed that most youtubers don't care about react streamers taking their vids just as long as a lot of people enjoyed their vids is good enough for them.

@@fakegeek5462 Doesn't matter if most people are okay with it, doesn't make it right inherently. "Reactors" are making bottom of the barrel content, least they can do is ask for permission.

You beat me by 6 minutes with the same comment lol

@@CharlieKellyEsq Of course he'll care. He needs constant content for his audience and what better than to react to somebody else's work? It's basically free content. Why bother spending weeks scripting and creating your own video when you can just talk over someone else's for 30 minutes?

@@Melsharpe95 Some people have what is called "work ethic". Also....pride. Biden voter.

​@@Melsharpe95 yes, because there exists a thing called talent, and Asmon got it in spades, which compels people to watch his "zero effort" content. I find his reactions and wit entertaining and that's just as valuable as someone else's hard work, sorry. You can't "just" talk over someone's content. Just like you can't "just" become an NBA star, even if you're a hard worker. I would definitely welcome some sort of revenue sharing scheme for react content, though. Also noteworthy that Asmon has never-to my knowledge-reacted negatively to a vid. That way no inadvertent negative brigading took place, which is nice.

True and real, what a day dude. Let’s go big d*ck boiz

try audiobooks my man, its basically mad season for 60 hours per book

True

Same. Found you through Asmon a few years back and became a fan of your content.

same same

Same, as is the case with a lot of things i watch on youtube, i often didnt catch it through recommended feeds or friends, but react streamers.

having Asmon as your recomendation algorithm was his purpose all along, and look, he made it, he has infested so many people.

Yeah it feels random at times. One of the videos that did better than usual I did years ago was just because the game I was covering had a big update and I was in a spot in the game to show it off. Something I noticed recently with the algorithm: I'll watch a video from 3 years ago. Now I'm being recommended many videos (of differing content) from 3 years ago. I'll watch a video from a creator with 5000 or less subs, now I'm being recommended lots of videos from channels with 'low' sub counts. The way it works is weird man. It really tries to define your tastes not just by content you watch but even the time frame or sub count.

What? Like how many people who play an instrument do you think make it on the radio? That that should be obvious.

Key words.. "should be" haha

@@patrickmcpartland1398 there's a difference between artists on the radio and streamers; streamers are a direct outcome of people finding them, their own self promotion and the market. You could work hard and never make it as either a musician or a streamer so we'll leave that out of here. Musicians are everywhere, good ones, really good ones, it comes down to more than just skill and self promoting. If you don't play the game/find and meet the right people you'll never make it. Entertainment is a huge multi billion dollar industry. It's a highly CONTROLLED and "self" regulated industry. If they can't make money off of you it's quite hard to make it. Take macklemor for instance. He did it, now name another two or three. It's pretty tough.

@@PandiTheBear Online entertainment is sadly becoming similar over time

Honestly I'd rather see someone awesome like madseason start doing react content and stealing from other creators. It's a shame that the system rewards horrible people though.

oof

Pretty obvious it’s theft

@@omensoffate Is this video original, even though it uses music and plenty of imagery not created by madseason? At least half the content of this video isnt original, isnt that obviously theft?

@@solame10101 Re uploading someone else's video in its entirety, then adding a facecam in the top left corner pausing occasionally, would you consider that transformative or theft, this is a genuine question?

@@achannel6324 Theft probably, its scummy, but so is something like piracy and i still do it for stuff that im only slightly interested in and would otherwise skip. Is it potentially a viewer net gain or loss in the end?

@@solame10101 To answer your question quickly, Is react streamers a net loss or gain. Small creator needs exposure, to get in algorithm, beneficial having big streamers viewers subscribing to channel, gets the small creator into algorithm. Bigger creators care a lot about algorithm presence, since they already in it, they care about retained viewership and growth, react streamer exposure means very little when already popular, have to compete in algorithm against duplicate videos in recommended tab likely actually significant net loss potential views on original video since viewers rarely rewatch the original once they saw favorite streamer react to entire original video. Long explanation If a large react streamer or youtuber is reacting to a small channel, it's a net positive for that small creator easily, as a small channel Is just trying to gain traction in the algorithm the exposure is meaningful. Bigger channels don't really stand to gain much from react streamers, sure they may get like a couple hundred subs from exposure, when the creators channel has a lot of subs already this is unnoticeable, I would argue a big channel would actually see this as competing with a duplicate videos, which can take a spot in your recommended page, which could potentially be the original video or the big react streamers reaction to original. Some extra things to consider, to why a bigger content creators are worse off, having their videos re uploaded with facecam. React content rarely translates to views on the original video, there is little incentive to rewatch the original video, once said viewer has seem their favorite react streamer react to the original video in its entirety, there isn't anything new that the original video has to offer, yes the viewer may decide to rewatch the original video with no reactions, its obviously a very tiny portion, of the react videos total viewers migrating to watch the original video. Additionally, Its worth mentioning, often the react streamers will just yoink the thumbnail of the original video, slap their face on the corner of said thumbnail, this could lead to some confusion to the viewer, said viewer may think its the original video, since the react streamers thumbnail is very similar to the original thumbnail. Potential Improvement? I have heard people propose a revenue sharing policy on youtube for react content, so the react youtubers would have to share their monetization with the owner of said content, I personally think it is a ok solution, as at least the original creator actually benefits directly from their content being used. If you read all that I'm surprised.

Same, Iv always been one to help out the smaller guy though. Anytime I watch a react video and enjoy the content, I’ll go sub and watch a few minutes on mute to give them a view. I feel like most people don’t go out of their way to do this though. Considering I know asmon always links the videos and tells people to go sub, madseason only got like 450 subs when millions of people watched it..

@@Buggabones over time he’s definitely benefited from asmon though.

@@Purriah I believe that while reaction from bigger creator can be helpful for small creators, reaction to already established creator can be harmful, its double edged sword.

I just found him when I needed classic guides

Dumonias Dumonias Dumonias

You gotta get outside more dude.

Asmongold created this guy

I'd argue it should be 70/30 (Original/Reactor), since the ratio of time investment to create the content is at least 20:1

@@daasdingo This will lead to no one reacting cuz if you told me I would lose my paycheck if I took out my smart phone during work. I wouldn’t be taking out my smart phone anymore. This seems to be only an issue with asmongold/fine bros now that the we react on stream to videos and eat while watching meta has died. The best way for KZfaq to resolve this is to give priority to the original video by enforcing a react policy where people need to tag react videos. So only people who have watched the original video get recommended reactions.

While I do think there should be some amount of revenue sharing, I think it should also be variable depending on the reactor. For example, if a reactor is just watching the video on their channel but doesn't add any insight/nuance/commentary whatsoever, the original creator should get 100% because the reactor essentially just put their face over part of the video. But, if you are adding commentary, creating more discussion, etc, it gets murkier and that's where the variability comes in.

Same! That Asmon Pandora’s box react video was my first introduction. I feel bad that I essentially gave him your watch time (I like Asmon and his takes on stuff) but if I see him pop up since, I watch him. They’ve all been great.

Ditto. I use asmon to find new channels. He clearly has more time to watch KZfaq than me 😂

i found madsesson through asmon. i’ve never even played wow but ive seen every one of his videos because the perspective is fresh, they’re to easy to follow, and they’re full of great storytelling.

No, it's not. There is no intellectual property in words like this video which is, in fact, a criticism. Why would I must pay a fee to criticize a criticism ? As long as you go through this format anyone should be able to react even if it's mean making a full retake in a video, that way, you can't monopolize the platform against the others by just words but the most important thing here is that it simply allows this video to exist whitout fees, claims or w/e itself. So yes, reactor are totaly legit for this format and what they do is just fair use, period.

@@roasted9095sure, how about you construct criticism after watching the video: -Watch the full video alone -Make a list about what you want to criticize/emphasize. -Construct your argument against or in favor about the video. -Create an entertaining script that goes along your argument. -Select the necessary clips for the video. -Record your response/react video. -Post your video. If you go watching the video for the first time in front of an audience, what's most likely going to happen is that you'll misinterpreet some points due to not having heard the whole argument, which if you watch reaction streamers, you'll quickly realize that this is what almost always happens. Streamers that "react" to a live audience have no original content to entertain their audience with, just look at Hasan. He sits there eating without talking or even sometimes leaves videos playing while he goes to do some other thing, if there would be no video to babysit his audience, they would just leave. Also imagine this, if the video is available at KZfaq, sharing just the time stamp of where the streamer is currently at, should be enough. No need to show the video in full display.

We don't even know if a problem even exists.

Me when dmca

Sometimes it really helps out the original creator but it does seem crazy to make a video that is >50% someone else's content.

Fine with me, considering I watch everything with adblock. I just want to watch the shitshow without giving any incentive to these people

I honestly think 50/50 is more reasonable. At the end of the day, Asmon subscribers are not watching his reacts to MadSeason's videos because they like MadSeason's videos, they are doing it more so because they are fans of Asmon. I would say revenue sharing is a terrible model to begin with (whether for reacts or music) because it's hard to judge just how much of the views and ad revenue is due to 1 creator vs another. I would say the model of double-counting the views is probably the best one.

@@PeterDB90 I would nott agree and here is why. First lets begin by recognizing the value of original content. In your statement, you highlighted that subscribers watch reaction videos primarily because they are fans of the reactor (Asmon, in this case). This might be true, but it overlooks the fact that without original content (MadSeason's videos in this context), there would be no material for Asmon to react to. The original content creator invests significant time, effort, and sometimes financial resources into producing content. This can include scriptwriting, filming, editing, creating graphics, music licensing, etc. This whole process demands a certain level of skill, knowledge, and creativity, making original content a highly valuable asset. In contrast, react videos, while requiring their own skills and creativity, lean heavily on the content they are reacting to. They're not generating entirely new content but instead offering commentary and opinions. While this adds value and attracts viewers, it's still fundamentally different from creating original content. As such, a 50/50 split might not adequately compensate the original content creator for their significant investment. A more equitable model could be a higher percentage for the original content creator, acknowledging their creative labor and investment.

@@JoeSmith-lo2ct I disagree and here is why: I agree with the premise of what you are saying, but you should not be looking at who gets more revenue based on amount of effort and work - this is a "fair" division of revenue when looked at from the point of labor input, but it is NOT a fair division of revenue when you look at WHO generated that revenue. I think an argument can be made for let's plays being glorified reacts to original content that was made by the devs that made said game, but you don't see people advocating for video game publishers getting their "fair share" of revenue from streamers for creating the BULK of the content that the streamer/let's play KZfaqr receives their revenue from, and trust me - they would jump at the opportunity (I wouldn't be surprised if they already did try and it fell off as an unpopular opinion). Yes, without MadSeason's videos, Asmon wouldn't have anything to react to IN THAT PARTICULAR instance, but the truth is that he WOULD have something to react to and would still generate millions of views - it doesn't have to be MadSeason's videos, it could be ANY other video - heck, he could probably react to an old video of his own and still get millions of views. He often times simply has a discussion over literally any topic - say Twitch changing it's policy - and post a video on it that was just as low effort as the reaction video but still generates similar views - should he have to receive less revenue because it was low-effort? What I'm saying is that like it or not, the amount of effort does not matter - there are plenty of KZfaqrs putting in incredible effort into channels that never end up growing - no one cheated them, they simply didn't play the algorithm correctly. So what does matter? The view you generate. If you can show that the views he generated would have otherwise gone to MadSeason if Asmon didn't react to his video, then you can make a case for it, but as it stands Asmon a) generates views and revenue based on his brand recognition and clickbaiting and b) does not steal view from MadSeason, and if anything adds to them. This is why double-counting views would be the BEST solution because MadSeason's Channel would get 100% of the exposure benefit and can then use said exposure to generate revenue natively on his own channel.

I appreciate it! It'll be a fun series for sure, working on #2 right now :D