Simmons trying to convince himself that the Bucks getting Lillard is a lateral move is why I watch him lol

Bill sounds like he's on the rebound from the Lillard trade😂

Bill is salty that the Bucks are better than the Celtics now

That Towns trade proposal was one of the worst hypotheticals I’ve ever seen…

If Bill doesn't think the Bucks got better by getting Dame he needs to be arrested 😂

As a Blazers fan, I can say that the salty tears of Heat fans is worth more to me than a lottery-protected first-round pick

Bills coping so hard rn man

I get that Bill is a Celtics fan and that the Celtics are kinda a large market, but can we get a Bucks/Blazers discussion? Do Celtics Hypotheticals have to be the first thing posted 😂

“Dames gonna have to be a spectacular scorer for them” you mean do the thing he’s done at an elite level his entire career? Dame is scarier on the bucks. Bills take is coming from a place of assuming Boston is getting jrue. If they don’t you can count them out of title contention in my eyes

lmao bill simmons extreme cope

Bill hating heavy....getting Dame doesn't make the Bucs significantly better??? Rubbish. Dame as a 2nd option? A Dame and Giannis pick n roll? You can't double the ballhandler and you can't go under on the screen. And Middleton is the release shooter on the skip if you blitz the pick?

Bill mentions the Bucks/Heat series as if Giannis didn’t miss the majority of the series and wasn’t hurt….. STOP IT!

Big disagree. Bucks will wipe the floor with Celtics now.

Brogdon to the Clippers is ridiculous. The Clippers already rejected trading for him, which is why Marcus Smart was sent to Memphis. If Jru ends up going anywhere, I can see either Philadelphia or the LA Clippers in a deal involving James Harden as part of a three-way deal with Portland. These two talkin are delusional Celtics fans😂

Tatum and Brown vs Lillard and Giannis? Good luck Bill 🤣

Boston fans live in a dream world ever season. Lakers are 100% in contention to get holiday as well he is the missing piece for them.

Lol. Thinking Boston can get Jrue without touching their top 5-6 players, is pretty hilarious. Bill thinks you offer Brogdan and 5 seconds and it’s a deal.

The NBA NEVER disappoints

Bill is trippin’ hard 😂 Middleton had been hurt most of the season and wasn’t anywhere near his peak; Jrue shot like crap; and people forget that despite his great averages, Giannis was hurt 💯 Now, you add an amazing scorer, you have a healthy Middleton and Giannis, and the rest of the team is solid, this team is an official contender 😎

Simmons trying to convince himself that this doesn't mean much is funny

Bill thinks the bucks got worse let me lay this out to you there one weakness was halfcourt offense, this is who they got: - 32 pts 5 Rb 7 ast on 65% TS - 2nd behind luka in PnR 1.14 PPP on PnR, minimum 1000 - 3rd best iso scorer behind Embiid and demar - 54% on pull up jumpshots - 56% in catch n shoot - Only Ja scores better at the rim as a pg according to fg% - Great passer

😂😂😂Oh Bill🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

Lol the title of this video is hilarious

As a Portland resident I am grateful for Dame's allegiance to this little town--he was our favorite son even with all the sponsored Nike athletes around he was the hometown hero in a place that doesn't have another major sports franchise he stuck with us and I hope he can win a championship with Giannis in Milwaukee, arguably an even smaller market team even than PDX. We will miss you Dame but you will get a standing O whenever you roll through!

⁠Bill what are you talking about? This is so far from a lateral move. First of all, the pick and pop/roll game with Giannis and Dame will be like nothing the league has seen up to this point, especially with a big like Lopez who can still knock down from 3 and run the PnR as well with dame, Middleton was already declining and will likely be a 16 ppg scorer this year as he steps back into a tertiary scoring roll instead of a secondary one which will allow him to put more energy on the defensive end, and they do an amazing job of masking one another’s faults. Dame is an amazing ball handler and has been one of the best behind the arc scorers off the dribble or the catch for a decade, while being able to drive and be incredibly effective off the bounce, which will open the lane for Giannis in a way no other player on the market could have, Grayson is only decent at 3’s and is very streaky, and can only shoot off the catch. He’s got no bag to create his shot. They won’t be as good on the defensive end, but they will still be top 5 between Lopez, Middleton and Giannis, who will all be able to focus more on that end as they will have the load significantly lightened on offense. Dame has been great the last couple years when they have been in the playoff hunt, and has rested a lot when they have fallen out of it so he’s got a lot of tread left on the tires and will be a 28-32 ppg scorer this year while actually having options to get the ball to, which he’s an incredibly underrated passer. He’s finally got a shot at a chip and will be playing like his legacy is on the line, bc in some ways it is. He will be more fired up than we have seen in years. They didn’t lose there depth and got off a big contract in Jrue that was rapidly declining as his quickness wanes.( love Holiday and he will always be a hero in Milwaukee being the piece that put them over the hump) and him and Grayson being out covers Dames salary. And just for the record, 3pt ability is much more than just percentages. It’s that mixed with shot difficulty, ability to create your shot, ability to shoot both of the catch and the dribble, and the volume. Dame can pull up from 40 and shoot off the catch, the dribble and use the gravity of his shot to get teammates open and make good quick passes to capitalize and do so while shooting at 40%+ at a super high volume. This is so far from a lateral move

The one thing you have to remember about the Bucks losing to the Heat last year isn’t that they couldn’t stop the Heat, it’s that Giannis missed half the series. The main question of this trade for the Bucks is health. Will Dame be available for the full playoff run?

Been listening to bill and love his content. This is one of the most bias videos of him I’ve ever seen. He never talked about how deadly this dame/ Giannis pick n roll is about to be 😂😂😂

Of course Simmons immediately made a case for Holiday to Celtics 😂

Bill says “So Dame is going to have to be like a spectacular scorer for them” literally one of the best scorers ever with more talent around him than ever I think he can handle that

The amount of times I've already seen most Celtics fans try to spin zone this trade into the idea that Milwaukee actually got worse is hilarious.

Bills reaction reminds me of when AD was traded to the Lakers and his first words on a podcast after that were that the Pelicans won the trade 😂

Idk why Bill put in the thumbnail that this take was through a Celtics perspective. Every take always is 😂

Bias Simmons strikes again

So he talks about the bucks for like 3 minutes and they spent the rest of the 12 minutes making up fake trades 😂😂

Ridiculous take by Bill. Copium is very strong here. Dame with giannis is an unstoppable force in terms of what both their games offer to each other games.

The first thing you hear is “from a Celtics angle…” 😂

Bill is wildin if he thinks he not worried about Dame because he can throw Derrick White at him 😂

After reading these comments, it’s clear that Jrue is extremely underrated to the casual fan.

Miami fans trying to act like the pic swaps have no value. All the way out in 2028 and 2030. They could absolutely have value by then. I mean it's probable that the current front office won't even be there at that point but still.... A lot of people love the Celtics would never cash in on the New Jersey pic swaps and I'm pretty sure one of them ended up becoming a number 1 overall. They ended up trading down three and picking Tatum up because of a pick swap that people thought had no value at the time

Giannis’ defense and decision making about to get even better now that he’s got a true #1 scoring/passing/playmaking option to take that part off of his load or use as a change up. As Bill mildly conceded, if Dame is the scoring option he has been in the playoffs it’s going to get tough to out score and/or stop them inside/out

Completely disagree with bill, this is bad he went to the bucks for the Celtics, idk how u guard Milwaukee now, u have to show high on PnR and if u do u let Giannis play 4 v 3 in the short roll and u can’t build a wall

The outcome of this trade for the Bucks and how we talk about it 2 years from now all comes down to Middleton. Last year he wasn’t himself, if he can get back to 21 levels, they will be a problem.

They Talk about the blazers for 10 seconds, great job guys.

I don't think holiday is realistic for the Celtics unless there's some trade exception magic I don't know about. I don't think you can give up horford or Williams given porzingis's injury history. But I don't know I am not smart enough to figure out how The deadlines and extensions work.

They should put “from a Celtics perspective” in the title of every video Bill does

Dude stop the cap! Your playa hate is sooo strong. As a Bucks fan i know that you know that this trade is a game changer in the power relationship between Boston and Milwaukee. Your only chance to save face in trading Smart, would be to get Holiday. But you both are seriously illin if you think even before these trades that the Celtics were a better team than the Bucks. Celtics are still chasin a chip, Bucks are working hard for a second. Has everyone forgotten Giannis's comments about feeling disrespected. Giannis is coming for the league! And now he has his Kyrie/Steph side kick. And tgey still have a 2 time allstar Cash money Middleton who is still working himself back from 2 years of injury. So don't get it twisted.

Milwaukee just added a more explosive scoring and shooting point guard but they lost arguably the best two-way point guard in Holiday. My gut feeling says that they are at the very least as good as they were when they won their championship in 2021 and possibly a bit better overall, but it does concern me if they’re going to be a team that is able to get stops when it matters most in the conference finals and possibly NBA finals if they get there. Also I like the trade because now I believe Dame is in his ideal role, as an outstanding #2 to Giannis with the proven ability to take over and close games when needed to. But they have about one or two year window to get this thing done with Dame and Middleton already in their 30s.

I am a Raptors supporter and objectively the Celts have landed on top as scoring Holiday now gives them a better team from top to bottom then the Bucks especially since two of the three players they gave up had no future with them . The only one they may miss later is Williams. The Celts are better situated to withstand an injury to a key player than the Bucks or most other teams. At the end of the day , we all know that it is a rarity that any team gets through the season without losing a key player to an injury or having an injury that effectively makes him a non- playoff factor ( unless the player is Harden where injury is not a factor to him being a playoff failure) . So for all the discussion about the Celts and Bucks , there is no reason to believe that it could not be Indiana , the Knicks ..... that wins the East ( Note- being a realist I will not suggest it would be the Raptors)

We got to give Bill some time the man is hurt🙏

“A lateral move” 😂

"Lillard's fg% goes down in the playoffs" yeah weird it's almost like he's the only volume scorer on the Blazers and has to deal with consrant double teams

A lot of people watch Bill Simmons seriously & think he’s an idiot. You need to watch the show like it’s a comedy. It’s like Sopranos.

Brogdon + Pritchard (Oregon hometown hero) + one minimum contract is enough $ to trade for Jrue... throw in some picks and it makes a lot of sense both ways

Never seen Bill disagree so much with somebody. Rough outing for that dude.

Lillard as a #2 option is significantly better than Tatum as your #1. Bucks are clearly better than Boston right now.

Jrue going to the Celtics will be electric. I need it to happen

All I heard was twelve minutes of panic lol.

I think this is a classic NBA move that has popped up time and time again, Star X gets teamed up with Star Y and everyone goes “oh my god this is unstoppable,” only for the team to be successful but ultimately not as good as everyone overreacted to. This is a defensive downgrade for Milwaukee for an offensive upside. If it works out, they’ll outscore teams in route to a finals run. If it doesn’t, they’ll get exposed by a team like Miami did last year and lose earlier than everyone expects.

Wow, great conversation about the Bucks....

Lmaoo I love when people go back to dames playoff failures as if he is not the main focuse on defense every game plan he gets doubled as soon as he crosses half court. And that team without Kevin Durant went 73-9 ……so please speak with context don’t downplay what he does cuz he is on the bucks now

Jrue Holliday sweepstakes are gonna be exciting as hell too. Heat, Celtics, Knicks, Clippers all make a lot of sense for Jrue

Love the content!

Lol bill and his friend holding their tears back while doing this pod 😂 You got a top 2 point God, you kept two of your big 3 in the process, you got rid of grayson, the Bucks got better.. way better PERIOD 💯

If the Celtics get Jrue Holiday, it’s gonna be very hard to beat them. 🤷🏻‍♂️

the way bills brain works is so funny to me

Probably not the most realistic thing ever but brogdan, filler and picks for jrue would feed families

I immediately had a bad vibe - like why is Giannis playing GM and making his team older - mainly because I really like Jrue - BUT when you think about it, Giannis is usually brilliant all game and then can run out of energy at the end of the game... when it's Dame time. I'm interested to see where it goes and how they mesh anyway. Also as a Spurs fan it's funny to hear Bill building up Derick White so much. Spurs fans know how much we liked that guy back when the rest of the world had hardly heard of the guy.

As a Wolves fan who’s seen every KAT game, I’ve been really frustrated with Towns for a couple years, but We’re not trading him for nothing to get off the money. He’s not Ben Simmons. He’s a top 30 guy when he’s healthy. I’d love for them to move off one of the bigs but they’ve both become undervalued. Rudy because of the overpay and Towns because he’s a moron on podcasts.

Where is the pod for this

12 minutes and 30 seconds of bill crying

Derek white. You said that out loud. Very nice matchup.

I think there is a sneaky trade Miami can make. Include Chicago. Bulls get Herro, Lowry. Portland gets Jovic, Miami future 1st (unprotected), Miami pick swap, Chicago 2nd. Heat get Jrue, Derozan, Coby White. They add defense, scoring, 3pt shooting and a guy who can take late shots if Jimmy is doubled. Bulls covet Herro, Lowry is a filler but helps as a vet 1 and have $ from Lonzo injury settlement. Portland gets part of the picks they would have gotten from Dame and everyone feels like they won.

Simmons is 100 percent right. The style matchup between Celtics and bucks is terrible for bucks. Lopez cant stay on court Vs them, he gets run off. And the bucks can’t guard a single wing and got way worse. On the flip side the porzingis signing gives the Celtics and inside out oresence that forces coverage. And can play trad rim protector.

Who carss about long term with the Bucks, this make their offense elite for the next 3 yrs easy. Now Giannis wont have to run his face into a wall in the NBA playoffs for his team to score. It will become much easier

The only player who's game would be better to pair with Giannis' than Dame is Steph Curry. And Curry was not available, so Lillard is the best player the Bucks could've gotten. I will miss Jrue in Milwaukee though.

I think Bill is delusional if he thinks the heat or a bigger threat than the bucks. I love how they Damian Lillard trade talk turns in nothing but Celtics 🙄

1 minute and 20 seconds of this episode was what it took for me to loose any respect i ever had for Bill Simmons and him to loose any credibility i ver thought he had when it came to basketball. Saying that he was more scared of Buttler/Bam/Dame than Giannis/Middleton/Dame, referencing the Heat bench as something awesome to behold and DERRICK WHITE HAVING A FAVOURABLE MATCHUP VS DAME LILLARD, i realy couldn't fit 3 worse takes inside of 80 seconds even if i tried. Absolutely delusional. Now i realy want the Celtics in the playoffs so i can see Bill's salty tears after his team gets demolished into oblivion.

Congratulations!!! Y’all called Timelord and Brogdan for Jrue.

The Spurs could be a great destination to Jrue too. They have draft capital, cash and Trey Jones.

You know, I tried again to give Simmons a chance. I couldn't get past 1:05. Unreal

interesting that you brought in ryan tannehill as a guest here

Bill is in such denial about the Celtics! They traded there best 2 defenders! They ain't beating the Bucks in a series!!

The New Orleans Pelicans have to be front runners for Jrue Holiday if they can make the money work.

I agree with Bill, if you add Jrue I think is the best Celtic team since KD, Pierce and Allen

The problem with jrue is that you don't shut down offensive stars and jrue has too many 6 of 20 shooting nights

Hi big fan of Giannis since 2013.....What ????This guy is Analyst???I think he is JEALOUS

Did both of them really dismiss weight training around 5:36? For super athletes like Jason Tatum, 495 lbs is nothing. They should honestly be in the 700 lbs range given their genetic gifts. Weight training is definitely beneficial to NBA athletes. Being more muscular helps resist injuries and allows them to take more punishment in the post.

It's all going to depend on how this new coach uses Giannis to be honest... Dame is great because you have an additional closer on top of what Middleton can do when he's healthy. Adding Dame who can get to the rim at will and shoot at a high percentage takes off the ability to build a wall against Giannis now since he doesn't have to drive to the basket from the 3 point line now as much (which every team has tried to do in the playoffs). Let's all remember the Bucks went up 3-2 on the Celtics in 2022 without their #2 in Middleton..... I don't think Porzingis is the difference maker when the Celtics lost arguably their two best defenders in Williams and Smart

Lets not act like Damian Lillard isnt a MASSIVE upgrade from Jrue Holiday. Dame quietly had his best season last year too. Jrue Holiday shot horrible in the playoffs too often. Yes he's an amazing defender, but offensively he was too inconsistent (As was Middleton). So bringing in Dame is amazing.

Bill, will Giannis now sign an extension with the Bucks with this Lillard trade??

Jrue would be a solid Marcus smart replacement

Superstar teams get plowed under in the postseason by super teams like the Nuggets and Heat. Giannis and Dame certainly compare favorably to The Joker and Murray, but after that Denver is still a superior team that rotates 8-9 guys even in the playoffs, and they all play defense. Dame does not add much defensively and is a massive step down from Holiday as a defender.

You cannot bring age as a knock against the Bucks for making the trade because Jrue and Dame are the same age.

Every fan base is delusional to some degree. But Boston fans are on another level

Bill relax 😂😂

Best Odds To Win The Title: 1. Bucks 2. Celtics 3. Suns 4. Lakers 5. Nuggets 6. Warriors 7. Clippers 8. Heat 9. Kings 10. Grizzlies

In your last podcast you said Kawhi only has 1 ring, just wanted to make it clear that’s wrong

I think Bill is being overzelaous with his idea of Jrue to the Celtics. He talks about a Jrue/White backcourt on defense when they just had that with Smart/White. Trading for Holiday means Brogdon plus one of Horford or Timelord & picks. 1,that kills Boston's depth and 2, why would Portland want that package? They don't need more guards and they just traded for a starting center. Then Barrett talks about Dame's playoff history being not what everyone expects outside of the big buzzer beaters, go look at Jrue's stats in the playoffs too. His FG/3pt percentages are pretty awful in recent years. He's a very good all around player but if we're talking offense he's not even close to Dame's level.

I love the respect that Jrue Holiday is getting right now from the folks who know basketball. Jrue is an outstanding, all-star caliber player. He certainly should not be viewed as a pawn in this trade and I hope he goes to a contender. Jrue can be that guy under the radar like Aaron Gordon, who can take a team over the top.

We just watched a Jokic and Murray lead nuggets team absolutely roll through the playoffs and neither of which are considered great defensive players. Individual defense is becoming significantly overrated in todays nba. Great offense will always beat great defense. Not to mention we just watched Jrue get 60 dropped on his head by Jimmy butler.