Real Amp vs TONEX vs Kemper vs Quad Cortex Comparison
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Күн бұрынIn this video I compare tonex vs a kemper profile vs a quad cortex capture that I made vs the real tube amp I captured it from.
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Time stamps
00:00 Intro
00:38 Setup
01:47 Project Layout
02:25 Real Amp
02:40 Tone X
02:54 Kemper
03:08 Quad Cortex
03:29 Switching Amp vS TONX
03:58 Switching Amp vs Kemper
04:56 Switching Amp vs Quad Cortex
06:07 Open Chord
06:42 Riff 2 Amp vs TONEX
07:19 TONEX Sounds better than amp?!
07:44 Riff 2 Amp vs Kemper
08:20 Riff 2 Amp vs Quad Cortex
08:58 Riff 3 Amp
09:15 Riff 3 TONEX
10:16 Riff 3 Amp vs TONEX
10:49 Riff 3 Amp vs Kemper
11:51 Riff 3 Amp vs Quad Cortex
12:09 Low End on Quad Cortex
13:20 Last Riff Explained
13:53 Riff 4 Amp
14:13 Riff 4 Amp vs TONEX
15:11 Low Note Sizzle
15:47 Riff 4 Amp vs Kemper
16:59 Riff 4 Amp vs Quad Cortex
17:54 Dual Notes Slides
19:17 Null Test Explained
20:22 Null Test Amp vs Kemper
20:52 Null Test Amp vs Quad Cortex
21:17 Null Kemper vs Quad Cortex
21:28 Null Test TONEX
21:40 Wow
21:59 Null Switching Riff 1
22:26 Null Switching Riff 2
23:14 Riff 3
24:07 Riff 4
25:25 Final Thoughts
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@picksalot1 Жыл бұрын
Excellent comparison and use of the Null Test. This shows how the fast technology of Tone Matching/Profiling has already advanced, and each of these companies have made important contributions in this field. Congrats ToneX for getting so impressively close to the original Amp. 👍
@hannibalbarkas1350 Жыл бұрын
I've seen you around KZfaq before, happy to have stumpled upon your channel just now. Really well done comparison, thank you for instant switching. Even with trained ears it's kinda hard to remember the sound with breaks in between. Did not expect the ToneX to be so good, nice surprise!
@VatroCramer Жыл бұрын
Great comparison! Thank you for the work you've put into making this! Very helpful!
@SteveSterlacci Жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing all the work in this video! That null test really says something about tonex
@65pancakes82 Жыл бұрын
Incredible comparison! Thank you! The reverse polarity test was very telling- and much less subjective. Love it!
@artysanmobile 13 күн бұрын
The “null test” is routinely used with audio hardware and software. Time aligned speaker crossovers can be set accurately using this. It is simple and highly functional. A great tool we all have.
@21stcenturymetal31 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting video. I've been super curious on the differences. Thanks for making this video
@Guitarsoundlovers Ай бұрын
one of the best video comparison ever!
@jordanmartin324 Жыл бұрын
Great video, love how detailed, almost forensic it is with the null test. I think I’ll be getting me a ToneX
@Tmechanically Жыл бұрын
BEST TEST. Thank you. Good job bro. I like that you did the null tests. You earned a sub just for the systematic approach. Well done.
@paulhaullussy8662 Жыл бұрын
Great testvideo! I just bought TONEX last week and I am glad this video underlined my choice! I am a IK Multimedia fan, the offer great stuff!
@hanstraplord1299 Жыл бұрын
This is THE best comparison. Thanks a ton!
@amalgamaudioLV Жыл бұрын
Really well done - pretty much exactly what i do, when i want to thoroughly compare gear. Thanks for the video!
@bluesauthority 4 ай бұрын
Man thnx for all your effort! Real eye opening.
@javiaep Жыл бұрын
Just hearing the null test was enough for me to buy it! Amazing comparision. Can´t wait to have it in my hands.
@georgezorbas9036 Жыл бұрын
Bravo for your fantastic thought to make this comparison!It was a perfect comparison, no one can tell what he thinks, tests saying just the truth!!!
@DreidMusicalX 2 ай бұрын
I am going around to different video comparisons and seeing that I made a good choice for the money of ordering the TONEX., it should be here today. I'm excited! I'm sure its going to take a little get it dialed in to my liking, but that is with anything. Thanks for the video! People like you help others like myself make choices.
@HerroYuy246 Жыл бұрын
Man such a deep dive!! Awesome job I’m subscribed now!!
@Arufured0 Жыл бұрын
Amazing work! It's very helpful review. Thank you so much!
@toilettunes1 Жыл бұрын
wow really good work here thank you for the vid and the time you put in
@johnhummer1064 Ай бұрын
Amazing comparison. They are all really really good.
@joerng.42 Жыл бұрын
What an excellent work and comparison, so now I know what's my next amp in the studio. Great video Mendel, thumbs up!!!
@AlexSzokolyai Жыл бұрын
This sold me on the Tonex. THANK YOU. And to think, I was entertaining getting a Kemper!
@lucasmansodasilva5665 Жыл бұрын
absolute great comparison!
@DaringDan Жыл бұрын
That was fantastic. As a player who never plays out and has a gaming rig already, I think the Tonex is my choice. It's less expensive and I don't need a physical device that I can take to gigs with my amps on it. This was great. Cheers.
@renevanderbruggen731 Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Mendel taking so much time for this video. There’s a clear winner here if you need something for mixing purposes only
@jimlansa7098 9 ай бұрын
thats great comparation,the difference is so sattle that i would use any of them any day of the week.btw i own a kemper and im amazed with it every time i play for the last 6 years,such an enjoyable piece of device,for practice,live use and recording.i dont care if its not 100% identical to the real amp,but it feels amazing and has a great raw sound and effects
@henryssurfshowcase 9 ай бұрын
Great review, that Null test is hard to deny!..
@skidogbill Жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for doing the work. I’ve had my Tonex for a couple days and I’m impressed. BTW, when doing a null test, I suggest fine tuning the levels for best nulling. With the quad and Kemper, you could hear mostly weird artifacts, but with the Tonex, I heard more of a weak version of the track. I bet if you adjusted the levels by tenths of a db, some of that might have gone away and you would hear something different at the closest level match.
@chrisgaspard5680 10 ай бұрын
Excellent comparison. The null test is eye/ear opening! I have been on the fence, going ampless for P&W, into FOH system. Thanks to this test I have placed my order for a Tonex. I think I will still use my amp for my Classic rock band, but time will tell.
@esatrisaputra7264 Жыл бұрын
the most scientific comparison i've ever seen (using reversed wave). nice dude!
@CarstenGoeke Жыл бұрын
Super interesting. Thanks for sharing man. ✌🏼
@oleskiyashko2901 Жыл бұрын
You are the best! Thanks for your work
@7riXter Жыл бұрын
This is the best comparison video out there… I listened while driving so it was kind of a blind test for me but I could follow every single step cause u structured it so well. Thanks a lot!
@Mendelian Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words!
@Armitage574 Жыл бұрын
wow thanks for the detailed testing!
@notalkguitarampplug-insrev784 Жыл бұрын
ToneX is the winner of all. This week at the store we tested 78 amps and amps+cabs and compared with kemper captures made in exact same conditions. We had the QC for only 2 hours so we could only make 3 amps (we had to wait for ToneX to do its own advanced training captures between each one :( In ALL amps cases and cabs ToneX was the clear winner. We also liked the QC more than my own previous experience, but with less good results on low gains complex rigs (when using fuzz vintage pedals I front of Vox AC30) So my new ranking is ToneX>Quad Cortex>>Kemper We don’t know about the rigs of Thu but had some thoughts from a famous KZfaqr who told me he lost all the bottom end and had harsh highs compared to real amp.
@Fanafranky Жыл бұрын
At the end of the day, I guess the ToneX avantage compared to floor units must be access to GPUs for the training part? If you use the advanced of course
@notalkguitarampplug-insrev784 Жыл бұрын
@@Fanafranky yes after asking to many dudes who studied ai and neural networks the quality of the neural network is essential (that’s what ToneX is very good at!) AND the training of course. So big advantage to use Apple M1/2 processors (have dedicated power for that) and the best are cuda from nvidia
@Fanafranky Жыл бұрын
@@notalkguitarampplug-insrev784 which is why I was ultimately disapointed in Ola Englund's review, who just ran the basic training and called it a day 😅
@Melkj79 Жыл бұрын
In a blindtest I would have thought Tone-x was the real amp. Impressive!
@kellerkind8438 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for that awesome comparison. Subscribed, liked, commented.
@geraldhinson Жыл бұрын
The null test is very cool. I've done that with tracks of my own historically but had not thought to use it for this purpose. It would have been cool (still would be) for you to demo the complete silence when comparing the actual amp to itself.. just so folks could hear that it completely cancels when the match is perfect.
@judasxchrist 4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much, very helpfull! I am still an amp guy, never liked Kemper, but I'm tempted to get a Tonex.
@denisroche5864 6 ай бұрын
Really great work! Thank you!
@Devdiad 3 ай бұрын
Great test! Thank you!! For phase cancelation reference it would be interesting to add a comparison with a second reamp of the real amp for the null test. :) Love your ToneX captures by the way, it sounds absolutely crushing! 🤘🤘
@Francisco17Berrios Жыл бұрын
Just because you did such a detailed comparison I'm subscribing, youtube needs more guys like you!!
@400_billion_suns Жыл бұрын
Agreed 100%. This review and comparison set the standard for all others!
@masterofreality230 Жыл бұрын
Sub to people like this and think about the people who take sponsorships and swear they are unbiased on launch day! lol
@saryabouismail5721 Жыл бұрын
Wow!! Amazing work!! I am a Kemper owner and it’s been of the best purchases I’ve ever made BUT just listening on regular wired apple headphones I agree with everything you said. In fact I have to admit that through these headphones I could only tell that the tonex was louder - that is until u brought it down. Iow if I have to be honest with myself my ears couldn’t tell much of a difference with the tonex thru my headphones. From my own experience profiling my amps I always found the issue with the mids; with a mark V it could get nasally on lead tones, with 5150 and recto riffing the low mids would sound a bit congested and finally the biggest difference was profiling a plexi. Still their business model is amazing and here’s to hoping they’ll update the profiling process! Thanks so much for the vid!!
@saryabouismail5721 Жыл бұрын
As for the tonex, I’d be interested in hearing capture other types of amps (such as a plexi) and tones (edge of breakup overdriven etc) Not asking you for a vid on that of course! Just a thought for me to look further into. Cheers!
@400_billion_suns Жыл бұрын
Excellent comparison. Great job! I am loving TONEX. I captured a vintage 1950s amp that has a very unique sound and the TONEX profile is scary close. The way it preserves the micro details of chimey/glassy tube distortion harmonics and nails the feel is truly remarkable. And that I can run this on my phone!!! Amazing.
@killertone Жыл бұрын
Great video! Curious as to what OS version was on your Kemper? I have found that different OS versions sound pretty different. The ones from the last 12 months or so seem to sound a bit darker when creating profiles.
@NickLeonard Жыл бұрын
Really good and thorough comparison. I thought the Kemper and QC would have an advantage, being more expensive hardware, but I actually like the Tonex best in these, it did sound a bit more open and "real" in a way than even the real amp sometimes! The null tests just proved that further. I've only tried the free version of Tonex, and wasn't so blown away as to delve deeper into it, so I'm not biased in favor of it haha. In a mix, I think most all the differences would be pretty small and maybe not really important, but it's always good to see improvements being made.
@Mark-vv1dy Жыл бұрын
Keep in mind the Kemper is over a decade old at this point. It came out when IK was on what, Amplitube 3? That's three entire generations of software before TONEX, so old in fact that TONEX came out a year after Kemper's profiling patent expired. You'd have to expect that with a full decade of extra development experience and free access to Kemper's patented processes, someone could come out with something that could match it for cheaper.
@christianfilouler 5 ай бұрын
Hello, Thanks for the test, a lot of time. I still have to say that everyone is still a clear winner. The differences are so small in my opinion. No one would notice this in any context anyway. Whether TONEX, QC or the old Kemper. The Kemper in particular is still so damn good for its age. For me there is no reason to switch from one device to the other if you own one of them. I have a Kemper and FM3, just ordered the QC to try out. However, more to try out the UI and the nice form factor on the QC table. It remains unclear whether it is, but certainly not because of the “sound”. Since I certainly never take a capture, who does it and how is pretty unimportant to me. I have to like it and have it served well and quickly. I can even do that quickly on the Kemper, even though it bothers a lot of people. RigManager finished. Greetings to all
@Piscifunalliym Жыл бұрын
Great video!🤩
@TheRealChetManley Жыл бұрын
Everyone claiming they can hear differences over KZfaq audio, which will definitely not be the same as the source. Reality is if this were a blind test in person no one would be able to pick out the Tonex or the Kemper or the QC and probably not the real amp. Everyone can hear a difference when they know which one is which, but when playing blind back to back to back, it’s all down to guessing. There’s no discernible difference between these recorded tones. Pick the device that works best for you and go with it. All of these devices are excellent as is the Fractal stuff and Helix and even some of the more affordable modelers. It’s a great time for guitarists! Thanks for doing the video! This was an excellent comparison, probably the best one I’ve seen to date.
@artysanmobile 13 күн бұрын
What you describe is the industry standard, “blind” test and it can be noticeably improved even further when the switcher doesn’t even know which is which without looking. That is called “double blind”. I’ve been involved in many shootouts for Grammy Academy members. I would tend to disagree with you about a listener’s ability to hear minute differences. As Grammy winners, all those involved have well trained ears. Some could never be fooled, some could, in tests a layman would wonder what we were even talking about. Your inability to hear these minuscule changes is no putdown of your abilities at all. After all, the brain does the actual hearing, not the ears, and you may not be predisposed to this sort of testing. But I’d suggest you refrain from calling BS on the whole test. Many can hear such things with 100% success. I am one of those.
@AliEsfahaniMusic Жыл бұрын
Thank Mendel.. Thats very good match....
@Blafee1 7 күн бұрын
Very good vídeo. Congrats
@sleyeminizo275 Жыл бұрын
I have been using a Kemper for a while and I must say I still haven't seen or heard a reason to get rid of it. I still love mine!
@notalkguitarampplug-insrev784 Жыл бұрын
Since I had ToneX I don’t use anymore my kemper. I also have the AxefxIII Turbo but I play it a lot because of stellar effects. ToneX is the first one that could give me the exact feel of my SLO and my MesaJP. It has the balls and natural feels of those. But I mostly use my own captures, all in advanced mode. It also is a way better for the amp+cab+mic. The way it react is just perfect. You should try! BTW maybe kemper will make an update with Neural engine machine learning magic, but I doubt the very old DSP of the kemper could handle it… kemper has already tremendous amounts of aliasing with high gains amps :(
@sleyeminizo275 Жыл бұрын
Awesome, my Kemper still sounds amazing to me especially in the mix.
@tonyvanover2253 Жыл бұрын
The Kemper is stll an awesome piece of gear. It has been polished by over a decade of development. It sounds good. It has way more versatility live and has great effects. Id bet that you could easily tweak the kemper capture a little to match the amp better too but Most people couldnt tell you the difference between any of them in a mix. I have a kemper , QC, and an fm9 . They all have advantages and disadvantages.
@bobdillon1138 Жыл бұрын
@@tonyvanover2253 Its ancient tech that will require a second mortgage to repair if it breaks.
@tonyvanover2253 Жыл бұрын
@bobdillon1138 sounds like your describing a tube amp...ancient tech... As far as Kemper goes, mine has never broke in over a decade.. Those that I've heard of having a problem were repaired for very little
@CorNigrum Жыл бұрын
You just showed that technology progresses, and software eats hardware. I'm not sure those differences are large enough to show in the end mix, we're getting to a sufficient level for the tones to be indistinguishable. As a guitar player though, nothing beats the feel of a cranked tube amp, in the same way an electric piano with 5 watt speakers can't come anywhere near the emotional threat and brutal force of a concert piano. Interesting comparison, appreciate the work that must have gone into it!
@justsomerandomguyman Жыл бұрын
Nice video, man. You convinced me to buy ToneX. By the way, I think it's funny that people are finally coming around to the idea that the Kemper has something slightly off in the mids. It ALWAYS sounded like this to me. The way you described it nailed it, IMO. Lacking low mids and an emphasis on the high mids. Feels a little more dry than the real thing. I pointed this out way back in the day on the Andy Sneap forum when the Kemper first came out and Sneap started using it. Everyone was saying it sounds exactly the same and didn't want to hear it. lol. That said, I do still own the Kemper and you can great sounds out of it if you compensate for the differences. Also, a lot of the low mids/high mids quirks of it aren't all that noticeable in a full mix. It's more noticeable to the player and in isolation. So, I'm definitely not saying the Kemper sounds bad. It's cool that it has more competition nowadays! However, the best of the best experience, IMO, is running into your real amp with something like a Suhr Reactive Load, and then running into cab IRs. You get the convenience and flexibility of using IRs with the glorious feel of a real amp. I did buy the ToneX though. Maybe, I'll change my mind after I get a chance to make some profiles with it.
@cederickforsberg5840 Жыл бұрын
I tried talking abut the lowmids issue on the Kemper forums when I owned one. You will be chased out with torches and pitchforks. The Kemper fanboys are just comically zealous about their product.
@armandosinger 11 ай бұрын
Did you end up changing your mind since getting the ToneX?
@smash_adams Жыл бұрын
Tonex sounds remarkable. I wish I had amps to capture....currently its very difficult for me to navigate the user profiles as there is no search function. I also really like Tonehub by STL Tones and wish they made their own unit and capturing software.
@gavinleyfield3195 Жыл бұрын
The phase flip test was amazing! Why haven’t I seen that done before!! So informative and a pretty scientific test so far as I can tell. Great work dude
@orbithesun1 Жыл бұрын
Phase flip technique is a common sound engineering technique that’s been in use forever.
@alexradsby Жыл бұрын
@@orbithesun1 I think more like it hasn't been used in comparison tone videos before. This is the first time I've seen anyone do this as well. Very informative for sure
@orbithesun1 Жыл бұрын
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@orbithesun1 Жыл бұрын
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@alexradsby Жыл бұрын
@@orbithesun1 Yes of course people talk about Phase cancelling, it's very common. Especially in Music Production with multiple mic setups etc. What I'm saying is. It hasn't been used in comparison videos about guitar tone, especially in the real amp vs digital world.
@johnosstreeter Жыл бұрын
I have tried all modelers. The Tonex is the one for me so far. It gets the feel right, which is most important to me. In a busy metal mix, most sounds work, but for playing, feel is everything. Now we just need a physical box we can put tonex into and real amps are gone for me atleast.
@matheusferreira.youtube Жыл бұрын
I've already used it live with my macbook haha
@johnosstreeter Жыл бұрын
@@matheusferreira.youtube one could do that, but its not a very rugged solution.
@7riXter Жыл бұрын
@@johnosstreeter not rugged? You would barely find any life performance of any band where there is no Mac involved. I'd even go so far as to say that tonex on a decent ios device with an interface like the xtone (no pun intended) is the way to go.
@nethbt Жыл бұрын
A Physical box would be severely underpowered and ridiculously expensive considering you can buy 16 threaded RYZEN laptops with 16gb RAM these days for less than $900. Heck you can even buy 12 threaded ACER Ryzen for $500 that's more than sufficient to run Tonex. I don't know if IK Multimedia can pull a physical box without sacrificing performance, they will start from scratch incorporating these chips and transistors, in my experience youll need at least 8 threads and 12 gigs RAM to run it smoothly
@johnosstreeter Жыл бұрын
@@nethbt It would not be about power or price for me, more about trowing it in my bag like a helix stomp og quad cortex. A laptop is a bit more vulnerable. These boxes exist for a reason.
@bartlettpsj Жыл бұрын
Wow that is amazing detail. I definitely subscribed. I'd love to hear a edge of break up amp - Fender, Vox - rather than squished high gain.
@TheChicagoTodd Жыл бұрын
Great job!
@JonWrightMusicTV Жыл бұрын
Dude. I know how much went into this video. Fantastic work. Let's hope for some Tonex hardware...
@Mendelian Жыл бұрын
Well....Stay tuned for a couple more hours
@JonWrightMusicTV Жыл бұрын
@@Mendelian 😉🤫
@jamesearl389 Жыл бұрын
The level of pedantry we have reached is concerning. If one randomly switched between these four in a song, 99.999999% of people would never notice. We should all pick one and then just do two things: practice hard and then live life so that we have real things to express with our skills and crazy good gear.
@artysanmobile 2 ай бұрын
This 27 minute analysis actually only took about 5 minutes.
@XCenturionX 25 күн бұрын
You must be Kemper owner
@artysanmobile 24 күн бұрын
KZfaq is for a sad number of people a place to fight vigorously over something they barely comprehend. I hear you. Try to find some joy.
@robflores5172 15 күн бұрын
It’s because of this level of scrutiny that we have the luxury of such high quality tools. So be grateful people didn’t just say “okay, the pod is good enough”
@MaxFury_Official Жыл бұрын
At least i can comfort myself with that i only bought the Amplitube 5 SE, why! Tonex so far the test i've heard is blowing Amplitube 5 away completely. Thanks for the nice test and great with the chugshort flip back in forths, really well done!
@pintsizedguy Жыл бұрын
Having both is best. I bought Amplitube for the effects and use my app models from ToneX.
@SonicDriveStudio Жыл бұрын
Cool video man! Tonex is awesome! I wonder if NDSP will update their capture algo's sometime... I guess we'll see
@miked5487 Жыл бұрын
I loved your mt15 demo. Tried it today such a kick ass capture
@TudorAdrian Жыл бұрын
They may just have to. ToneX isn't the only challenger: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b712oKepkquxZJ8.html and GuitarML are slowly gaining traction
@pj666kemperprofiles Жыл бұрын
Very interesting, thanks !
@Brandon-RZ Жыл бұрын
Strong work with the video. Tonex the clear winner for a lot less money. Choice is a no brainer. Always noticed the things you said about the kemper live and in a mix. Never owned a quad cortex. Might have to get the Tonex to capture my arsenal of amps.
@AndGuitar Жыл бұрын
But when you factor in the costs for a new PC (unless you already have a heavy hitter PC) the costs for making captures (as quick as QC) is substantially higher IMO but Tonex is a phenomenal piece of software that will only get more efficient with capture times etc.
@Brandon-RZ Жыл бұрын
@@AndGuitar I mean, you can get more than serious bang for your buck nowadays. A pc laptop that is record capable plus Tonex is WAY cheaper, and it’s not even close.
@korayem Жыл бұрын
The null test says it all!
@DennisTrovato Жыл бұрын
Yes, not enough people go through the labor of setting up a null test. But it's the best option to do a proper sound comparison.
@dr.weeniehutjr Жыл бұрын
Technology is so damn cool. On my phone speakers this video just sounds like listening to a bunch of isolated guitar riffs on a loop. I’m sure on my studio monitors there would be more noticeable differences, but that says a lot I think.
@Tiger1016. Жыл бұрын
Interestingly improved results compared to the previous Tone X video where there was some quite noticeable lack in presence and feel in the high end. Did you figure out a tip/trick to get better results from the Tone X capture process? Or did you perhaps put and EQ on all tracks to roll off where you were seeing Tone X drop off (around 15k if I recall correctly)?
@Johnnybananass-_ Жыл бұрын
I own a Kemper and foot switch and exp pedal but its had so many hires lately from the local backline company I am gonna buy a ToneX for at home and he can hold onto my Kemper during the busy season, haha
@JeanDisac 10 ай бұрын
Awesome!!! Thank Youuuu Bro😊!!!!
@DomSigalas Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video Mendel, thanks so much for taking the time to make it! I have to say, you’ve made me consider selling my Kemper! Do you think the results would be similar with clean tones (like a Fender Twin or Vox AC30 for example)? Great work man! Cheers, Dom
@Mendelian Жыл бұрын
I bet they well, I'm def selling my Kemper: Just keeping the Quad Cortex for outside gear and have a lot of special tones on it: So Kemper can say goodbye. I def think the clean tones would work as well since the advanced mode (which takes 1,3 hrs to make with the Neural Engine) is mainly for High Gain tones. So clean tones are " easier" to get right.
@thethings4708 Жыл бұрын
VERY good video !!
@robflores5172 Жыл бұрын
Sick!!
@jusbluemoon Жыл бұрын
Great job! Thx
@prat2609 Жыл бұрын
Please create multiple TONEX captures! Everyone will buy them!
@gerinsindanight Жыл бұрын
Amazing video, thanks! Do you think that in a amp in a room style like FRLR (full range live response) the TONE X would still be better that Kemper Speaker Simulator Imprints tech. in terms of realism?
@JeffyG Жыл бұрын
Price matters. Tonex is affordable for the average guitar player. Nice to know you’re not giving up sound quality.
@adammassacre1981 11 ай бұрын
The Stealth sounds fantastic ive had my eye on one for a long time. Maybe its time i sold my kemper and look into getting one :)
@Mendelian 11 ай бұрын
Such a sick amp
@robertopozo418 9 ай бұрын
Kemper is unbeatable since a decade…love it!!!
@tomusic8887 17 күн бұрын
The tonex has a very different wave form! Different Dynamics? Great video ❤
@Mendelian 16 күн бұрын
It’s DI running through the plugin
@tgchan 3 ай бұрын
Super helpful. I would love to see NAM in comparison with the rest @ 21:40
@armandosinger 11 ай бұрын
Fantastic comparison. In your experience, are the included amp sims in multi fx pedals such as a Boss GX-100 even worse than a kemper? Are the Fx pedal amps even a tier below? Thanks!
@karpixhani Жыл бұрын
Do you upload these captures somewhere? Btw, good job and thanks a lot for the effort put into these videos!
@CreativeMindsAudio Жыл бұрын
To be honest it makes sense that the newest modeler is gonna be the best. I am still blown away that they can consistently improve upon this tech too! I am also most shocked that it came from amplitube peeps. They were so awful for so long. Their latest stuff is in another galaxy now. Glad they actually started making good products again. Do I need it though? Not sure. I am gonna keep waiting for the right thing. I think a hardware/software hybrid model is the future like positive grid’s spark amp. Sadly it doesn’t sound nearly as good as this though.
@swmorgan515 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing such a detailed and scientific demo here! Just wanted to ask which setting you did the Tonex model caputure with... fast, default or advanced (longest)?
@Mendelian Жыл бұрын
Advanced, took 1,5 hr of my day haha!
@MarceloLossMusic 9 ай бұрын
Top demais, parabéns
@blakepennycook8952 Жыл бұрын
Surprised and impressed by the ToneX
@erwocoolis9451 Жыл бұрын
At 3:30 i was like "kk, let's use this one", won't lie. Sounds best, seems to have the most substance. Apart from that the Th-U is the best way i found for recording digital guitar sounds.
@pjmtry7 Жыл бұрын
So much more sonically than QC but so much more less in price to do the TONEX! I already have the QC but this is leaning me to the TONEX as another toy in my arsenal!!!!
@Hzuuuu Жыл бұрын
That is insane. Even without the null test, I can hear how close the TONEX was to the real amp.
@djole02 Жыл бұрын
These would never null, there is too much randomness involved...
@david_farmer Жыл бұрын
Cool video and a DI to each device is totally the way to go so GJ. All of those are totally usable. A null test is indeed the way to spot the difference. The caveat here is, the plugin has delay compensation which will put it's recording in better sample accurate timing than the hardware devices. The Kemper is pretty notorious for having some sort of delay (even if minimal for practical purposes). IMO there is no way the Kemper sample is as different as the null test suggests. A few dozen samples (maybe less) of timing difference would spoil a null test. So with both hardware devices I have to take the null test with a grain of salt, and it's why the plugin is a more accurate comparison with the null.
@Mendelian Жыл бұрын
I have phase & polarity aligned everything to the real amp before filming.
@david_farmer Жыл бұрын
@@Mendelian How did you phase align the Kemper recording? The null seems far more drastic than I would expect. I'd expect that result if it was re-amped & recorded onto another track, as there would be some inherent delay in the hardware round-tripping back into the DAW. But if you used something like MAutoAlign to really put the tracks in phase before checking the null, then it's a pretty astounding difference.
@Mendelian Жыл бұрын
@@david_farmer I used a plugin called Auto-Align from Audio Radix. I personally believe that the big difference during nul testing vs the Kemper is because the low mids are drastically different compared to the real amp. The Kemper is the most obvious one in my opinion (especially playing through it) where the feel is just not close enough to the amp.
@david_farmer Жыл бұрын
@@Mendelian Great yep those plugins do the same thing. Good on ya for thoroughness. I really thought there must be a latency thing going on as that Kemper null is pretty drastic. What a great nerd-out experiment. All these types of comparisons are a lot of fun. In the end we're really splitting hairs IMO. All those, and most modelers across the board, sound really great these days. So many comparisons are too close to call, and plenty of times I pick the simulation over the real thing.
@pyratellamarecordingstudio1062 Жыл бұрын
Actually those null tests are very accurate. You don’t even need null test, it is strikingly obvious the tonex is the best, and the kemper is the worst. Before we even got to the null test I anticipated the results that were given. I would be shocked if someone did a null test and didn’t align the audio. Anyone going to that scientific of a test would know they need to be aligned.
@vitaliistep Жыл бұрын
The null test is awesome, if it's done properly. Mendel, did you align the phase for all of these takes after recording or TONEX is just more aligned than other 2?
@Mendelian Жыл бұрын
All of them are aligned to the original amp
@tonybowen455 8 ай бұрын
Recently got an irig hd x. Such an incredible buy for the price! Entry into the tonex world for 130+tax.
@eds4754 Жыл бұрын
Great test! here's my thoughts: Riff 1 ToneX is really close but it doesnt have the same attack, its slightly softer and less percussive. Quad Cortex sounds like it has less gain. Kemper has that different low mid thing going on. Riff 2 is surprisingly different with ToneX, maybe has a little more gain? Kemper sounds thinner. QC also sounds a little thinner and less gain than the original. Riff 3 Tone X sounds a little softer attack wise and more congensted than the real amp. Kemper is softer and more low mids, more compressed, Quad Cortex sounded a little flat and almost bandpassed compared to the real amp. Riff 4 Tonex sounds a little nasal compared to the real amp, also again less attack than the original amp tone. Kemper sounds more compressed, mids also sound a bit different. QC sounds slightly more compressed, less attack, less low end. I love digital stuff and its getting so good now, but if you have the real amp then you'd be mad not to use it. They're still the benchmark.
@pyratellamarecordingstudio1062 Жыл бұрын
Disagree. The tonex has more dynamics and actually has slightly more punch. Not sure what your listening with but I’d listen again with different speakers and hopefully not headphones. The real amp has more compression and is slightly muddier. I bet you could add some compression on the tonex and get it near exact. This plug-in is so good there’s no reason to use the real amp except for the psychological belief in “real” and fun of turning knobs. Which is real and can trick your brain into thinking it sounds better. Trust me, I know lol. I actually kind of prefer the tonex to the amp, but it’s damn close
@eds4754 Жыл бұрын
@@pyratellamarecordingstudio1062 Listening in a treated studio with 3 pairs of monitors. IMO is a common trait for ToneX to have slightly less transient information, this isn’t the first example of it that I’ve heard. Also, a very strong argument in favour of the real amp is you can adjust settings freely. The process of using profiles or modellers isn’t as fun. IMO they work best when you already own the amp and you want to preserve your tones for another time
@johnmessenger5395 Жыл бұрын
The null test is the acid test!...but did you carefully callibrate the time alignment to compensate for any differences in latency between Kemper/QC/ToneX? One method would be to do it by ear..nudging the flipped audio in tiny increments to find the most cancellation. Another method would be to use a benchmark test to look for latency differences and then apply those differences to your audio files before making the null test. Brilliant video overall..you convey your thoughts and reactions extremely well which gives us the experience of going through the comparison with you. Thanks for doing what you’re doing!
@koffergriff4759 Жыл бұрын
I asked my self the same question, however this man did a great job and did insert Auto Align (an auto time alignment) Plugin into the track insert. This plugin in is sample accurate.
@rubenmedina5050 Жыл бұрын
Wow 🤘
@javiercabrera3517 Жыл бұрын
Yep. That is Kemper for you. Kemper does what Kemper does. Sounds like a cooked wah in there engaged. Thats what Kemper does. ToneX sounds great. Quad Cortex adds brightness somehow. Kemper’s High Gain are not its forte. Thank you for the detailed video!!
@gauravlama2079 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see your comparison video like this with Axe fx3 aswell🙏
@Mendelian Жыл бұрын
Which one sounded closest to you? Let me know in the comments!
@notalkguitarampplug-insrev784 Жыл бұрын
ToneX!!! Would you do the same with a real cab miced?
@user-lw9py Жыл бұрын
intresting test. your null test is a good idea. I think your align is not correct because hear too much diffrence. maybe best is do with all sims shift the phase with delay so get fewest diffrence hearable. your test are very detailed. if you have a real cabinet there is even more diffrence because real cabinet itself do lots distortion at low notes and at high freq. this can not capture with an IR . at 70 hz get around 5% and at 60 hz 12% . this let sound real cabinet fuller even when you reduce low freq to sit in mix. with the ozone multiband exciter can fake such distortion . then i think nobody can hear diffrence
@gffg387 Жыл бұрын
Tonex baby!!!!
@DISSONVNT Жыл бұрын
@@user-lw9py read in a previous comment how he shows what software he used to this. It's all correct, the kemper just lacks in the mids so that's why the difference is more noticeable
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