Capitalism vs. Socialism: A Soho Forum Debate

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"Socialism is preferable to capitalism as an economic system that promotes freedom, equality, and prosperity."
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That proposition was the subject of a November 5, 2019, debate hosted by the Soho Forum, a monthly debate series sponsored by Reason. Arguing in favor of the resolution was Richard D. Wolff, an economist at the University of Massachusetts and the author, most recently, of Understanding Marxism. Taking the other side was former Barron's economics editor Gene Epstein, who is also the Soho Forum's co-founder and director. Reason's Nick Gillespie served as moderator.
It was an Oxford-style debate, in which the audience votes on the resolution at the beginning and end of the event; the side that gains the most ground is victorious. It was a packed house, with about 450 people in attendance. The pre-debate vote found that 25 percent of the audience agreed that socialism was preferable to capitalism, 49.5 percent picked capitalism as the better system, and 25.5 percent were undecided. Despite a technical problem at the event itself, the Soho Forum was able to recover the final vote totals, which saw support for socialism drop by half a percentage point and support for capitalism increase to 71 percent.
Produced by John Osterhoudt
Photo Credit: Brett Raney

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@Brogle288 4 жыл бұрын

The thumbnail looks like Bernie Sanders vs Bernie Sanders

@GuwJuice_PttP 4 жыл бұрын

It’s actually Bernie vs Trump. Socialist vs capitalist

@imbetter599 4 жыл бұрын

Smallhat v smallhat

@GuwJuice_PttP 4 жыл бұрын

Reuben Thomasson Lol you okay bro?

@janhandrex7886 4 жыл бұрын

Its Bernie from Universe A versus Bernie from Universe B.

@raphaelhowse9712 4 жыл бұрын

bernie sanders vs the demons in his head

@timothynesbitt9148 3 жыл бұрын

We were accidentally on purpose not taught economics at school

@Amani-zo8ic 3 жыл бұрын

We were

@ConstantChristine 3 жыл бұрын

You learn that in college

@badwolf5117 3 жыл бұрын

Constant Christine Not necessarily and their are economics in high school but it is usually an AP course.

@Amani-zo8ic 3 жыл бұрын

Big Bad Wolf you literally learn civics and economics in sophomore of your high school years

@Pinkie007 3 жыл бұрын

Big Bad Wolf nobody’s stopping you from reading books and educating yourself like everyone else. Btw a study showed that 60% of millionaires are self made and come from working class families. Also school isn’t meant to teach people how to become rich, it’s meant to teach people skills so that they can sell their labor in the market. You don’t need school to start a business

@pvenoob 5 ай бұрын

Don't you just love it when people actually reason?

@Loquacious_Jackson 4 ай бұрын

I don't care either way, to be perfectly honest...

@munkoman 3 ай бұрын

@@Loquacious_JacksonBetter to scream at each other instead?

@Loquacious_Jackson 3 ай бұрын

@@munkoman definitely more entertaining...

@ran4082 3 ай бұрын

@@Loquacious_Jackson social media and other technology has really messed up our brains, we can't even watch important stuff like debates if they aren't super entertaining for us? Maybe entertainment isn't a requirement for enrichment, maybe our population doesn't need to be entertained 24/7

@mahlergustav9908 3 ай бұрын

@@Loquacious_Jacksonwhy

@m.e.p.r 10 ай бұрын

The thing that struck me the most throughout the debate, is how two people with vehemently opposing views, respected each other, actively listened and could engage in heated conversation, without resorting to petty insults and underhandedness. They both remained lazer focused throughout and even managed to find some common ground. In parts of the debate they stood up and protected the others right to speak and be heard, when heckled by audience members. A lack of civility and the inability to respect a political opponent in this way, is perhaps the greatest threat to modern democracy, politics and freedom of expression we currently face. This is what serious people sound like. Very different from our world leaders isnt it?

@smangy5442 6 ай бұрын

Socialism is the greatest threat to democracy and freedom of expression we face today.

@user-gl9mb6nb5f 5 ай бұрын

goood

@davolpatel 4 ай бұрын

I wonder how old politicians go to sleep peacefully everyday inthis day and age when so many people are afraid and hungry everyday. It is is so sad. And they all want to be humanitarians while killings of innocents go on and on everyday.

@KhiaAbdl-xi1kp 4 ай бұрын

They serve the same boss ( globaliste s) against a common ennemi which is the people.

@reymarrero740 3 ай бұрын

Gene Epstein begins with an apology to Richard Wolff for an earlier outburst, he subsequently transitions into a critique that personalizes the concept of socialism to Wolff’s interpretations, rather than addressing the ideology in a broader sense. This strategy subtly shifts the debate from a general discussion to a more personal critique, which could be perceived as a nuanced form of personalization that edges towards underhanded critique, albeit within the bounds of formal respect. EDIT: Yeah... Gene is literally attacking Richard's character and whenever he touches on the primary subject he just gives examples of all the current problems we are living with...

@alecgorman4691 3 жыл бұрын

This beats watching two 17 year olds duet each other on TikTok

@Naomi-dt9rn 3 жыл бұрын

I just made the decision to put down TikTok and watch this

@alecgorman4691 3 жыл бұрын

@@Naomi-dt9rn it’s nice at first but ya eventually it’s good to put tik tok down and dive a little deeper

@wiskybiskits 3 жыл бұрын

leave some respect for us mature ones 😭😂

@alecgorman4691 3 жыл бұрын

@@varadhk3159 to be fair I’m only 18 so I don’t have room to talk, not hate to 17 year olds

@tjenglish7036 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly lol I got tired of the same arguments over and over tiktok is a nice place to start though

@fercojurado9948 4 жыл бұрын

Scroll down the comments to see a bunch of people not addressing any arguments made

@jamesrountree3991 4 жыл бұрын

Ironically like your text😉

@iyouweGAME 4 жыл бұрын

Example: this comment.

@imperfectious 4 жыл бұрын

Mr. Wolff offers nothing but rhetorical flourishes, strawmen, and conflation. What argument is there to address?

@darkmanex1485 4 жыл бұрын

@aish b yeah, debates often do that.

@rickmolina2206 4 жыл бұрын

Welcome to youtube comments!

@jefflo4907 Ай бұрын

that moderator is the only thing i dont like about this debate

@Geraldo3003 5 ай бұрын

Great debate from two extremely interesting men, even a terrible moderator who struggled to hide his own bias couldn't ruin it

@ksyssl1 23 күн бұрын

who was he bias towards?

@jasonkk8050 3 жыл бұрын

I learned what capitalism and communism is only after I graduated high school.

@mystuff6045 3 жыл бұрын

Im learning about it right now in 12th grade lol

@martinfoley1905 3 жыл бұрын

@@mystuff6045 definitely watch Richard wolffs stuff

@gimpzilla 3 жыл бұрын

Socialism and communism are two totally different from each other and barely any Americans even know that

@daddychill2029 3 жыл бұрын

Gimpzilla not totally different. All communist are pro socialism but not all socialist are pro communism. I do agree though a lot of people don’t know the difference.

@jamesjackson4741 3 жыл бұрын

Kenzz_mw yeah. Socialism is the community claiming the means of production, communism is the state.

@joeydoherty368 3 жыл бұрын

Can’t tell if anyone in the comments favors capitalism or socialism, just that they don’t like the moderator. Edit: Shit 2k likes and 166 relies. Never had that happen thanks guys. Not that that means anything, but it feels good.

@gwho 3 жыл бұрын

Lmao 🤣🤣 Hate, at the the of the day, is what unites. 🤣🤣

@applesnpears9828 3 жыл бұрын

A mix of both ideologies seems to be preferable.

@wl415 3 жыл бұрын

@@applesnpears9828 The issue is the people with power they do not allow reform or give us the bare minimum. Government is protecting private interests over the madnesses, our capitalist society is not democratic it’s just a mess. Even the markets are bullshit now. So many issues with our systems today. If anyone here does favour capitalism I think even they would admit our market is definitely not free. Currently trying to learn the best approach to make things better.

@Skyhawk656 3 жыл бұрын

@@applesnpears9828 congratulations you’ve come full circle and arrived at FDRs new deal

@sierraadams8009 3 жыл бұрын

Socialism here. Was on the fence until the capitalist guy started talking s*** about the socialist rather than keeping it on the subject

@Linda-wo4zr 3 ай бұрын

My husband's brother was reading a book on marxism in high school and he got suspended from school. The US the land of the free. Haha

@willnitschke 3 ай бұрын

Yeah, people can get touchy when someone is making a public show of reading a text that lead to the deaths of around 100 million people in the 20th century. Weird, huh? However, Marx is not banned in the US. You can still read his books if you wish, just as you can read Mein Kampf, if you're more of an ethno-nationalist socialist over a Marxist, for example.

@moeinnowrouzi 28 күн бұрын

did your husband brother ever read any book from George Orwell named animal farm ?

@moeinnowrouzi 28 күн бұрын

did you now a country that ever run by marxism in reality ?

@Chief_Bill 26 күн бұрын

@@moeinnowrouziOrwell was a socialist himself, he just didn't like the more authoritarian forms of it, like Marxism-Leninism, Stalin's regime, etc Your comment is stupid and does not provide anything helpful whatsoever

@moeinnowrouzi 26 күн бұрын

@@Chief_Bill sheeps of animal farm don't want accept the truth of socialism , do they ? the way you talk remember me of them 🤣

@tychoi2359 Жыл бұрын

This was thought provoking as well as entertaining. As with most things I'm processing questions that I had regarding a lot of what's been presented and hope to be successful in finding answers. Always enjoyed listening in on combative debate forums like this😊

@slevinchannel7589 Жыл бұрын

Socialism was covered by 'Second Thought', but Capitalis mand 'System-Faiures' (like Prison-System in America) was better covered by 'Some More News'

@ExPwner Жыл бұрын

@@slevinchannel7589 socialist propaganda

@willnitschke Жыл бұрын

@@slevinchannel7589 What do you call someone who can't even spell even with an automatic a spell checker to help? A socialist...

@cade8986 3 жыл бұрын

The moderator thought everyone was there to listen to him

@ViaMirage 3 жыл бұрын

The moderator decided to channel a poor man’s Tony Montana from Scarface. 😂🤦🏼‍♀️ 🗣🗣

@historical_idiot 3 жыл бұрын

@@ViaMirage cringe comment bro

@slaffkas 3 жыл бұрын

Idiotic statement from the moderator indeed.

@bperez8656 Ай бұрын

He’s a libertarian thought leader

@djtoxicdhg 4 жыл бұрын

I just wish the rest of the mainstream media had these serious type of debates that way people could be properly educated and have real battles of opinion as opposed to just saying Venezuela or taxes

@blackearl7891 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but then that would make us educated. They don't want that.

@buckyflex1 4 жыл бұрын

I couldn't agree more. I'm about as far from an academic or intellectual as one could get, a truck driver as a matter or fact, and this was just like pure nourishment for my brain i was instantly so engaged i fired off 3 or 4 comments before Mr Wolf even finished his opening statement.lol My point is the gatekeepers think the average Joe has no interest in any sort of long form or in depth philosophical discussion/debate when that couldn't be further from the truth. These are the big ideas that will shape our future for better or worse and as a society we should be breaking them down, scrutinizing and re-scrutinizing them constantly from all sides n angles.

@jdavis7993 4 жыл бұрын

@@buckyflex1 Intellectualism is about sonder interest in the truth, not profession. I wouldn't make the assumption that a truck driver is incapable of being an intellectual. Frankly, discussion of important economic ideas *must* include the working class. That is the driving force behind Marxist ideology, whether you think economic systems should be capitalist or not. Frankly, I would prefer a capitalist system where some board chairs are just employee representatives, almost like a company parliament. The thing is, this might actually be less efficient than just having the government impose a required board structure. Conversation as to what the best form of the system would be is up for debate, but all stakeholders, including employees, should be considered.

@iheartTrollin420 4 жыл бұрын

Like what @blackearl7891 said, the msm has an agenda and it is not to educate the masses, and if they do, then they educate the masses to what they want you to think not what might be true

@djtoxicdhg 4 жыл бұрын

@@buckyflex1 vary true my frend

@the_dank_kidx7381 11 ай бұрын

I like how instead of the debaters calling each other petty names, they respectively stated their points and argued them out, thats what im interested in!

@egomaniac7230 9 ай бұрын

The moderator is insufferable! What made him think making stupid immature remarks was appropriate?

@kylemenos 6 ай бұрын

the reason is they know each other and it may seem insufferable to you but to them its batter. like you talking to a friend where you call him a dick and he says stfu you lost ten dollars last week on a match a child could have won. people these days are too sensitive.

@egomaniac7230 6 ай бұрын

@@kylemenos I don't think these extremely well known philosophers know a random college bloke that deeply to be buddies. A moderator shouldn't try to constantly insert his ego into something that has nothing to do with him. He was even told indirectly to stop by one of the audience for his immature and stupid joke. Perhaps try to be more observant of social interactions? Get the fuck out with your "People are too sensitive these days" dog whistle.

@TP-gc8bt 3 жыл бұрын

Imagine if US had a presidential debate this clean..

@user-yx7eh1et4j 3 жыл бұрын

may be in our dreams. US Presidents are very far from this caliber of intellectualism lol

@kronk358 3 жыл бұрын

*we

@alextrainor2552 3 жыл бұрын

That couldve happened if trump wasnt one of the debaters

@skiies23 3 жыл бұрын

@@alextrainor2552 oh yeah because Biden’s decomposing brain connections wasn’t it?? 🤣

@jackjohnson1666 3 жыл бұрын

@@alextrainor2552 Trump 2024 baby!! USA 🇺🇸

@brandonvillatuya9539 3 жыл бұрын

A person that sounds like Bernie Sanders vs a person that looks like Bernie Sanders.

@czechgop7631 3 жыл бұрын

*both proceed to talk about Bernie Sanders*

@Tefera-hf8fw 3 жыл бұрын

Eastern Europe jews

@malikahmoomin 3 жыл бұрын

😁😁😁😁

@GridIndustries 3 жыл бұрын

@Sepher Agon hahahahhahah what

@GridIndustries 3 жыл бұрын

@Sepher Agon no need to be rude, honey.

@hannahmaria6887 5 ай бұрын

Every comment I’ve read on this comment section refers to the respectful conduct both use throughout the debate. If that doesn’t highlight the depth the current political debate system has sunk to, don’t know what does…

@mr.newhaven 6 ай бұрын

I can really appreciate a healthy debate and open dialogue.

@petersavvas9022 3 жыл бұрын

"don't let school get in the way of your education" - love it!

@zokm8165 3 жыл бұрын

Mark Twain

@michaelregan4409 3 жыл бұрын

dont let corona stop your education at home it is better to learn at home then to go to school and be exposed to the virus high school kids get the virus and a 12 year old died of it so it is saying even a toddler can get it your kids are to precious to let go to school love them while you can all you can and keep them safe and at home college can be done online just like grade school i rather be doing this for my kids would,nt you take care everybody and for all of you just so you know mega dosing vitamin c will help clear out phmonia

@kasperorganics-organiccott6881 3 жыл бұрын

Mark Twain with brilliant!

@MoneyOverFame 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant

@steven92014 3 жыл бұрын

you get qualifications in school, true education comes from living life

@restoinpresto4025 3 жыл бұрын

POV: You're here looking for valid arguments and just seeing everyone hate the Mod

@jimpa7011 3 жыл бұрын

the mod really shouldn't have that job though lol

@mcs106 3 жыл бұрын

CAPITALISM AND THE SO CALLED DEMOCRACY ARE THE BEST ASYLUM FOR THE RULERS, THE ELITES AND THE RICH TO LOOTING THE POOR IN THE NAME OF JUSTICE BUT IT IS A LURE FOR THE COMMON AND THE DENIED.

@arpitabrahmachari7649 3 жыл бұрын

@@mcs106 oh shut up

@theamericanspirit8590 3 жыл бұрын

@@arpitabrahmachari7649 he's right...heter

@Tzizenorec 3 жыл бұрын

@@theamericanspirit8590 Mohammed's statement was completely out of place, like he was just hijacking a top comment. Doesn't matter whether he was right, he shouldn't have said it here.

@neurologicalworms Жыл бұрын

I just love watching everyone fight to get all their thoughts and questions in.

@user-kn6gk3ey9o 6 ай бұрын

So grateful for this mature discourse on a hotly debated topic. I don’t recall learning any socialism in HS or college. This was very informative.

@grosty2353 3 жыл бұрын

Timestamps 0:00 Intro 0:41 Welcome and Rules Layout 2:20 Socialist Opening 20:06 Capitalist Opening 38:24 Socialist Rebuttal 43:40 Capitalist Rebuttal 49:17 Q&A 1:23:53 Socialist Closing 1:31:21 Capitalist Closing 1:38:35 Final Results Like so others can see!

@ChitranjanBaghiofficial 3 жыл бұрын

ok got it, thanks for the effort man, you are a blessing to the viewers of this video.👍🏻

@thisusernameisalreadytaken8041 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@AlertROFL 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man.

@defaultlogos2976 3 жыл бұрын

Bless you

@grosty2353 3 жыл бұрын

Wow all of a sudden I feel like a hero for taking like 10 minutes to scrub through this video

@ScarabStarfighter 2 жыл бұрын

This is way more formal and properly conducted than last year's presidential debate.

@sshadyh 2 жыл бұрын

of course, because these guys are competing for a position

@David-kx7tz 2 жыл бұрын

crazy how unintelligent our candidates for president typically are

@diallo1347 2 жыл бұрын

That's because these two are fundamentally different in philosophy were as Dems and Republicans are essentially identical save a few social positions.

@Perykvaal 2 жыл бұрын

That debate was kind of a low bar, I think. ;)

@Afrobriit 2 жыл бұрын

We should stop with the whole politicians business it's a joke.

@ocayapaakera9173 6 ай бұрын

I am from Uganda, thanks to the participants for their debate. It has given us a new direction in the reasoning of ideas.

@henrymugerwa3850 Ай бұрын

Yes

@iSchneeball 10 ай бұрын

At 1:12:40 what is the book he is talking about? I couldn't make out the author :)

@bane3991 10 ай бұрын

Pursuing happiness by Stanley Lebergott

@NSO82 3 жыл бұрын

I've never seen a man debate himself before.

@Liveitlarge247 3 жыл бұрын

Masdebation

@SteveJobzz 3 жыл бұрын

@@Liveitlarge247 Motion to make that a new word.

@eastlondonhustler 3 жыл бұрын

@@Liveitlarge247 Mass Debate

@valiyapurakkalNarayanankutty 3 жыл бұрын

@@SteveJobzz seconded

@mattg-xy8jr 3 жыл бұрын

Liam H are you from Boston?

@barrystamour7557 2 жыл бұрын

Best line of this debate, "Don't let school get in the way of your education."

@katalinas9264 2 жыл бұрын

- Mark Twain.

@KOS762 2 жыл бұрын

Lol, everyone is a moron here.

@dirtydingusmcgee8926 2 жыл бұрын

@@katalinas9264 love Mark Twain

@katalinas9264 2 жыл бұрын

@@dirtydingusmcgee8926 ditto

@brianmacker1288 2 жыл бұрын

I haven't let school get in the way of my education, and I have learned that socialism is one of the most vile ideologies on the planet. It is responsible for the murder of over 100,000,000 million innocent people,and has oppressed billions.

@TheCocktailTimes 6 ай бұрын

How can i find those professor's?

@user-zy9sb3dp9y 10 ай бұрын

What a beautiful debate, nice to see people disagreeing productively. Highly educated professors at their best in their field! Very informative.

@francisleblanc2834 7 ай бұрын

😊😊😊**#😊

@LiquidGirlfriendFreeBoy 3 жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed this debate. I miss talking about issues without screaming.

@rtyums6830 3 жыл бұрын

did someone say trump?

@LiquidGirlfriendFreeBoy 3 жыл бұрын

@@rtyums6830 To be fair I've seen far more people who dislike Trump screaming at people than his fans. Maybe because the anti trump type of person is more social and outgoing so their behavior is caught on tape and online. It's a mess either way you look at it.

@bleu9396 3 жыл бұрын

Immediately think of someone lmao

@rtyums6830 3 жыл бұрын

@@LiquidGirlfriendFreeBoy Trump is a literal manchild. He said that coronavirus was a hoax initially, before blaming china for him failing to control it. He loses an election and throws a tantrum claiming it was rigged and stirring up his supporters without evidence. These are all valid reasons for disliking him without going into his right wing politics.

@LiquidGirlfriendFreeBoy 3 жыл бұрын

@@rtyums6830 I don't exactly disagree with you. Just saying that a lot of left leaning people scream at others now a days in debates, if you can even call them that

@vookudlak1 3 жыл бұрын

Moderator "I'm going to be a nazi" First person to ask a question " hello I am from Germany" lmfao

@reddseth9733 3 жыл бұрын

and then he tells him to shut up lmao

@vtabbs7836 3 жыл бұрын

I thought I was the only one who caught that lol

@czvkxo 3 жыл бұрын

Can you post the mark point lmao

@SlapDatCow 3 жыл бұрын

@@reddseth9733 Golddddd

@kevintheinnovator3604 3 жыл бұрын

@@czvkxo I believe it’s 49:00

@Flash-pp3cr 6 ай бұрын

Great debate. I didn't really like the very last speech since it went back to stereotyping. But besides that it was pretty epic. I learned a lot.

@ashleyalcaraz6830 8 ай бұрын

Very well done. So thankful to have access to this video 🙏

@skid1988 3 жыл бұрын

Always hate when a moderator injects themselves into a debate to this extent

@awrproductions191 3 жыл бұрын

Agree!

@briagasfam.bacacay758 3 жыл бұрын

same here!!! if he wanted to ask he must cue up!!! 😡😡

@AmanMishra-nj6hn 3 жыл бұрын

You should have a look at debates in Indian News channel, where the moderator comes with his own agenda of spreading communal hatred. Specific suggestions: Arnab Goswami debates (News Channel: Republic India) Have a look at any of his debate and you'll know the sorry state of Indian news media.

@radthadd 3 жыл бұрын

@Bob G most commies do

@Steve_305 3 жыл бұрын

He's the instigator

@holly1528 3 жыл бұрын

"This moderator was terrible" Capitalist bootlickers 🤝 Socialists

@Htiy 3 жыл бұрын

Lmfao I love how I know what meme you’re referring to

@inkryption3386 3 жыл бұрын

@@Htiy Memes transcend language.

@gunnarkarlolafsson6195 3 жыл бұрын

He was absolutely horrible. I was screaming at the screen “shut the fuck up”z

@realhuman5119 3 жыл бұрын

The fucking moderator asked a question

@jinshunlin7656 3 жыл бұрын

A person that sounds like Bernie Sanders vs a person that looks like Bernie Sanders.

@Linda-wo4zr 3 ай бұрын

Jacque has a community in Flordia and he gave tours of the community and explained how his no monetary system worked. He had futuristic homes he designed.

@lavonnacasey5724 6 ай бұрын

This is what a debate sounds like. The crap we are used to on television is not.

@Vic2point0 3 жыл бұрын

Moderator: Let's stay on topic! (makes a joke about a guy's man bun) Guy: Yeah my man bun is- Moderator: STAY ON TOPIC!

@corykim2969 3 жыл бұрын

lmao!

@fuckamericanidiot 3 жыл бұрын

That was annoying

@mdbahrozbaburali 3 жыл бұрын

I bet you are a fan of William Lane Craig

@Vic2point0 3 жыл бұрын

@@mdbahrozbaburali What an amazingly accurate "guess" 😛

@mdbahrozbaburali 3 жыл бұрын

@@Vic2point0 actually I found you yo be the only defender of him in a video related to his debate with Seam Carroll. I admire William Lane Craig a lott. He is one of the best intellectuals i have ever had the privilege to listen to.

@ericsnyder4294 3 жыл бұрын

In the interests of having a smooth running discussion while minimizing interruption, can we all agree that Nick Gilespie should never run a debate again?

@JohnSmith-si6kw 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. He has time to crack jokes, then won't allow people asking questions to make a single statement to add context to their question. It's the Nick Gillespie show here. This isn't a debate. It's the Nick Gillespie show.

@TheConstitutionFirst 3 жыл бұрын

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@hugorezende199 Жыл бұрын

i was laughting on the fist question , the dude talked too much and tried too much to build a context. But then Nick just tried to land some jokes just like that "man bum" joke, moments that he makes it more confusing and odd (i did laught about the joke).

@michaelboulos3272 2 ай бұрын

Was there ever a sequel to this debate where time wasn't an issue!? BTW, thanks for posting!

@yasseralsaidi1168 6 ай бұрын

What we all have in common is mistakes or forgetfullness

@roysmith9149 3 жыл бұрын

Need more of theses debates, intelligent people using facts to argue there point and not dummies screaming at each other like monkeys

@jd-yo2is 3 жыл бұрын

Wolff doesn't really make any sort of point though... The gist of his whole argument is 'I want something else' But the thing he wants is already that we already have...? He just wants to force it onto everyone I guess...? He doesn't make anything close to a technical economic argument this whole debate. Not to mention that almost all of his 'points' about capitalism can be refuted by just silently pointing at Scandinavia...

@jd-yo2is 3 жыл бұрын

Eros well Wolff’s whole argument is based on the whole Marxist idea that workers are exploited by wage labor. But we can look at Scandinavia and see some of the most most egalitarian and successful advanced economies of all time. Some of the highest GINIs, best economic mobility. All the social programs you could imagine... These are mixed ‘capitalist’ economies.. Free markets, large private, for profit sectors. This private sector and the growth it brings can be taxed to support social programs. Wolff’s whole argument that ‘capitalism’ is inherently exploitive doesn’t really stand up to common sense economics. At least domestically. Internationally is another long discussion to have.

@jd-yo2is 3 жыл бұрын

John Proctor labor isn’t the only input of production. Labor is important but not necessarily all that important in many companies. We can talk utopia all day and use that as a framework to criticize the current system. But ‘workers DESERVE to be paid their average product of labor or it’s EXPLOITATION’ is a pretty dumb oversimplified starting off point.

@jd-yo2is 3 жыл бұрын

John Proctor ‘some owners treated their slaves well and taught them to read’ You missed the entire point... As I said...the most advanced, economically mobile, richest, egalitarian system OF ALL TIME... That’s an achievement bud... But you just whine that it’s not good enough because of some flawed and oversimplified philosophy about 'exploitation' and baselessly compare it to slavery.

@nguyenthanhhai6725 3 жыл бұрын

Does it go to ANYWHERE? they have debated this since forever

@nugget7865 3 жыл бұрын

Moderator's more interested in being funny than being good at his job.

@grantmalone 3 жыл бұрын

Agree. Pretending to be all about keeping things on schedule while wasting time throughout with his distracting smarmy comments. Needs to learn to check his ego at the door, and that he's not as funny or charismatic as he thinks he is. Remarkably stupid comment about Bernie Sanders too which led to another big waste of time. Worst kind of moderator.

@InnerMittenSignal 3 жыл бұрын

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@ExPwner 3 жыл бұрын

@MajorLeague yep. Socialism sucks ass and always has.

@jamez3875 3 жыл бұрын

@@ExPwner ??? lmao USA is a mixed economy that embodies socialism...

@ExPwner 3 жыл бұрын

@@jamez3875 wat?

@AverySmither Ай бұрын

what did the guy that yelled at the beginning say?

@kephero3936 23 күн бұрын

Can someone please analyse their speech patterns, especially sentence construction. I want to not just learn their compelling views but also be able to articulate as they have

@nickcummins232 3 жыл бұрын

This is just two different versions of Bernie Sanders from alternate realities

@chucknoland2327 3 жыл бұрын

All doctors of economics around the same age so lol

@michaelregan4409 3 жыл бұрын

Bernie sanders and Joe Biden said that Socialism is found on Surplus and there are all kinds of surplus American government hoards stuff in warehouses and they call this surplus there are many many many kinds and they were talking about giving it away where you always save more money so much junk the government hoards

@michaelregan4409 3 жыл бұрын

it is like matter v anti matter economics the thing is Bernie said that it is provided by surplus and so did little Joe Joe is not all together to be able to lead he should be removed from the election before he causes any more harm to America or himself and or others

@democraticallyelectedceoof2376 3 жыл бұрын

It's actually the Bernie Sanders from our reality but split in half

@sebasg80 3 жыл бұрын

Wolf is the biggest pseudo economist I’ve heard from Harvard tbh

@bigsmoke8816 4 жыл бұрын

*Don't let this comment distract you from the fact that mr krabs once sold spongebobs soul for 62 cents*

@liberalbias4462 4 жыл бұрын

A true capitalist.

@masoncrowell1452 4 жыл бұрын

You didnt distract.... you brought this tragedy to my attention.

@dandelo6479 4 жыл бұрын

Spongebob and squidward need to seize the Krusty Krab. While Spongebob provides the labor for creating the burgers and squidward runs the front end of the business taking orders from the customers, the capitalist (pig) crab pockets the profit while giving the two workers a pittance. Nobody earns the value of their labor. Obviously this is why spongebob and squidward live in squalor and discomfort next to Patrick, who literally lives under a rock, while the bourgeoise live elsewhere. Krabs justifies his profit because he procured the capital to create the restaurant and owns the formula, while actively doing nothing of value for his workers or his society. Plankton, meanwhile, is a reflection of the class struggle as he is ruthlessly outmatched at every turn due to the inherent inequality in the system. Neither worker can “choose” to get another job because the reality of Bikini Bottom is that there aren’t any other reasonable options. Squidward obviously does not voluntarily wish to be there. There is a guise of individualism and self determination thrown over a flawed system. Unfortunately, as long as they can feel superior to Patrick, who is lower in society, they too believe they can one day be like Mr. Krabs.

@kirsten3116 4 жыл бұрын

YES, an argument for socialism. Finally

@buggydclown7724 4 жыл бұрын

Dandelo what kind of bullshit is that? crabs built the whole restaurant, he owns it, it is his, the formula is his, spongebob and squidward would have nothing without him, he could replace spongebob and squidward but they can‘t replace the formula, i don‘t know if you are just joking or just a dumbass but there are more than enough dumbasses who would believe the bullshit you just wrote so i took it serious

@philochristos Ай бұрын

This was a good debate. My only complaint is that the debaters didn't get to cross examine each other.

@timothyandrewnielsen Ай бұрын

They didnt debate.

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@jaayro Жыл бұрын

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@thejackbancroft7336 Жыл бұрын

Any idea what the bloke yelled out?

@titantron5840 Жыл бұрын

"Stop complaining"

@titantron5840 Жыл бұрын

Sorry, he said "stop whining" I don't understand the other part.

@andreylebedenko1260 Жыл бұрын

So true, so sad.

@melxdan Жыл бұрын

@@titantron5840 his mind will never change unfortunately

@waylaidsavant 2 жыл бұрын

Don’t let school get in the way of your education

@grammagranski8095 2 жыл бұрын

Was it Mark Twain who said that?

@jkjkhoyolula 2 жыл бұрын

@@grammagranski8095 obviously

@michaeljosephjackson2364 2 жыл бұрын

@@faressalih7253 to be honest u dont need to go to school to learn capitalism it needs experience and ambition

@trewebster3602 2 жыл бұрын

Growing up in the 90 definitely didn’t learn about untill deep in my 30’s and yes that is sad.

@trewebster3602 2 жыл бұрын

@@michaeljosephjackson2364 It would be nice especially being blk and not knowing how the world wrks.

@chrisogonas 10 ай бұрын

Incredible debate!

@Maxime_K-G 10 ай бұрын

I love passionate people open to discussion. My biggest interest has always been thinking about what the best way would be to create a sustainable system that allows everyone to be free to live their life the way they want. Sadly though, discussing this is often very difficult as a lot of people are too caught up in their own beliefs and react very negatively to any form of discussion.

@zillakamikaze5551 3 ай бұрын

Apparently most people don't want a discussion, we've been indoctrinated into believing arguments and discussions are the same

@s.u.h.6548 4 жыл бұрын

Rarely we see both those in the side of socialism and capitalism in so much agreement, we both find this moderator annoying.

@CynicalBastard 4 жыл бұрын

@Larry Riffett You're an idiot.

@wackoyacko4541 4 жыл бұрын

Solidarity 👊

@annierandolph6358 4 жыл бұрын

@@wackoyacko4541 and me

@ler6118 4 жыл бұрын

@Larry Riffett wait, if Libertarians are Socialists, who are actually Capitalists? AnCaps only or what?

@mcglubski 4 жыл бұрын

@Larry Riffett I'm sorry what?

@77Night77Shade77 3 жыл бұрын

"Yes, what is your question?" "Well, I-" "ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, THAT'S ENOUGH."

@eddiep4600 3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂.

@abdullahiibrahim1785 3 жыл бұрын

Majority of the engines (employees) who are behind World production of goods and services are abused and ripped off under the guise of capitalism. Man eat man society.

@sealking3838 3 жыл бұрын

@@abdullahiibrahim1785 Lol You are mistaking the majority with the minority like Lenin did in the past.

@ff-qf1th 3 жыл бұрын

@@sealking3838 unsubstantiated claim. also, abdullahi is not Lenin. not all socialists are the same. we have disagreements about what socialism should be.

@chessmaster2649 3 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@mohammedsheriff5821 7 ай бұрын

❤❤❤❤❤ Let me appreciate you guys for the time, and the best of luck in advance. 🙏🙏🙏

@ianrager4 10 ай бұрын

Isn't what Wolf described of democratizing the work places as Syndicalism?

@alexagold3610 3 жыл бұрын

So you’re telling me they aren’t the same person

@Jeiss_V 3 жыл бұрын

they are both so adorable I'm sorry haha

@jillianelise5 3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@conspiracylibrary2848 3 жыл бұрын

It wasn't really live. The same actor played both characters. Have you seen the parent trap? Its like that. You're welcome.

@soyboylegends7832 2 жыл бұрын

Why can't debates be like this. Well informed and civil. Not teenagers yelling at eachother on tiktok.

@odin-fr9et 2 жыл бұрын

It wouldent be entertaining in my humble opinion .Part of politics is the theatrics, its how people some times get engaged in the moment.

@Acoto 2 жыл бұрын

How dare you age-shame teenagers, with their vast wisdom and lived-experiences! Alert twitter and the media, you must be cancelled immediately.😆

@choblgobblrr1074 2 жыл бұрын

Why you even expect anything super productive out of teenagers is beyond me. But what also eludes me, is why you don’t acknowledge that these old souls were, at some point, those young teenagers. We all start somewhere. I don’t think you should expect much out of tiktok debaters, but also don’t shame them. They’ll mature eventually.

@kallioperobling3359 2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't know. I'm not stupid enough to watch tiktok. I believe these men are considered experts in their subject. Kids on tiktok are just mimicking what they heard in class that day from the cool teacher.

@Acoto 2 жыл бұрын

@@kallioperobling3359 Unfortunately we live in a world where people make content on other people's content, so you occasionally see ticktok post reposted on youtube.

@mindlessgreen 10 ай бұрын

Nice debate. Richard talks like a revolutionary. "We want change but we have no concrete plans on how to do that". Gene talks about practical change. "Let's try to fix the problems we have with current crapitalism".

@xenmorempire 10 ай бұрын

So why aren't they fixing it?

@misterauctor7353 10 ай бұрын

@@TalkwithLina There is no need for reform, since Captialism is better than socialism.

@TrueChannelFor1 8 ай бұрын

@@misterauctor7353 ya ya bootlicker

@JohnnyRocker023 6 ай бұрын

@@misterauctor7353nah, there is definite need for reform. Even if you are a capitalist, there are glaringly obvious issues with our current system, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Where the educated socialist and educated capitalist differ on this train of thought, is much like Mr. Epstein said, the libertarian capitalist prefers less regulation and only government intervention to prevent monopolies. The socialist, depending on their belief, says either by violence or democracy we must overthrow the entire system and implement a socialist system, usually through massive government intervention. But to say we need no reform is frankly idiotic.

@swerzye4472 5 ай бұрын

that doesn't logically follow from the premise. Also, no.@@misterauctor7353

@darrenwithers3628 10 ай бұрын

The problem with those debates is that half the audience vote for the position they disagree with at the beginning so it looks like the arguments convinced them. It happens with every one of those debates. It was obvious from the start the way most people would vote.

@coshelcaudill4822 5 күн бұрын

If you actually analyzed the graphs you would see that the percentage who agreed with the statement remained stable before and after the debate. It was the undecided crowd who added onto the disagree section. Like the moderator stated at the beginning, only people who voted at the beginning of the debate could vote at the end, indicating that while practically the same amount of people agreed from the beginning to the end of the debate, the amount that disagreed grew substantially, taking from the undecided portion.

@benheaton4486 4 жыл бұрын

They should have unionized against the moderator

@that1guy246 4 жыл бұрын

Police unions are the reason corrupt officers always get paid leave and rarely fired.

@MrJerry-cq3ue 4 жыл бұрын

Maybe he is mad because the 30 seconds he mentioned are not relevant? I did not notice nothing related to that

@kgr6438 3 жыл бұрын

MrIHadToDoIt a good example of why not all unions are good. In this example, it gives undue to power to police, who are not working class. Their relationship to economic production is enforcement of the laws instituted by the ruling class (private capital). Unions are beneficial for the working class to collectively bargain, aka to have any chance at bargaining at all instead of simply being fired for asking for more equality. The purpose of the police union is to shield cops from the consequences of their unlawful behavior, which is disproportionately used to afflict the working class

@davesvens8697 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, thank you.

@NateB 3 жыл бұрын

Bah! Socialism! They should have simply outcompeted him in the marketplace.

@jamiewoods4782 3 жыл бұрын

It was good to hear a debate about capitalism vs socialism without having a broadcaster pushing their agenda, and also seeing the two people debating let each other talk. Very interesting!

@mr12aT 3 жыл бұрын

It was good, and the Capitalism’s argument was full of strawmaning. For example, the hypothetical about a socialist party winning the majority of votes of the ballot box, then introducing full blown socialism overnight. However, Socialism’s argument included the history of the process of Capitalism, it was not an overnight change from Faudism but a centuries long process. Just logically, that’s exactly how most ideas come to fruition. So it’s a bit of a strawman argument from Capitalism, which raises questions about integrity and trustworthiness.

@pElisei 3 жыл бұрын

@@mr12aT This debate was about socialism vs capitalism. But all that wolff was arguing was about why capitalism is so bad, that it is unstable, that and that. He never once presented the benefits of socialism. The capitalism guy literally said capitalism is not perfect and he listed the disadvantages, he said we should be careful with capitalism, and also talked about the benefits. Wolf never one talked about the benefits of socialism only why capitalism is bad. He did not talk about the disadvantages of socialism. If someone tries to sell me a car and all he does is criticizing my current car, without talking about the the functionality of the new car,. I know he talks bullshit and he knows that too, and is just trying to con me. I never trust people that only talk about the disadvantages of the product, system, person, that they don't like without actually talking about what he is offering. I honestly have no idea what kind of system wolff offers, i only know what kind of system he hates and that is not what this debate was about.

@noneone8726 3 жыл бұрын

@@pElisei Taxation, for any purpose, is literally theft via extortion. On the other hand, it is a myth that capitalism is a meritocracy. They are both completely wrong. Taxation is cannibalism. Capitalism is a grotesque game of musical chairs, in which 99 percent lose, then propaganda attempts to get them to blame themselves. Socialism is parasitism, plain and simple. It works until you run out of victims to tax. socialist propaganda encourages the cannibals to murder and gorge, until there are no more John Galts to murder.

@pElisei 3 жыл бұрын

@@noneone8726 There has to be a balance. A pure capitalist system leads to monopolies a pure socialist system leads to dictatorship. The best economies have the freest markets... look at singapore, switzerland, sweden and all nordic countries. Their markets are highest freedom of economy index, no minimum wage. Singapore has 0% tax and has one of the best economies. It has to be a balance. There has to be regulations and i think Unions are important to keep in check companies I only posted my comment on the video because i was really pissed that all wolff did was criticize capitalism. He did not even talk about socialism. Only spout anti capitalist propaganda.

@ExPwner 3 жыл бұрын

There was no straw man from Gene and capitalism does NOT lead to monopoly. My God, it’s always dumbass talking points.

@nasirmahmood7799 6 ай бұрын

very aggressive both gentle folks -- heard a lot of intriguing change of comments between both speakers. which is awesome for me that they stood on the same floor for a while

@MoralScienceEducation 10 ай бұрын

🙏 Very interesting debate. Worthy to take your topic to moral science curricula for A-level students. In the context of the war most of us personally opt for a form of capitalism cum ethics, especially if we have experienced both forms discussed 🙏

@auldmelder4522 4 жыл бұрын

I feel like you should probably include the names of the debaters in the title. Seems a little odd not to.

@billfargo9616 4 жыл бұрын

The concept of debate is new to you.

@uzziake 4 жыл бұрын

@@billfargo9616 What are you talking about

@donotlike4anonymus594 4 жыл бұрын

would u really want youtube to demonotized and de rank this videos more...

@stevetillberg 4 жыл бұрын

@The Cheap Investor that's mr dr wilf to you

@bryansnaylor 4 жыл бұрын

Perhaps the search can pick up on what is in the description which does contain their names? Not sure how youtube works but a quick google search of their names with the word debate brought it up nicely. I imagine the clickbaity title, which drew me in, does its job well

@kiwikiwi2483 3 жыл бұрын

When the comment section is praising both sides for having a good debate and not breaking out into arguments, you know it had to be good

@janehrahan5116 3 жыл бұрын

Too late, the communists are in force here and buthurt now.

@kiwikiwi2483 3 жыл бұрын

@@janehrahan5116 You seem like the only one butt hurt Jane. Take your partisan politics elsewhere

@ExPwner 3 жыл бұрын

@@kiwikiwi2483 he's actually right. Michael Mappin the paid shill has been spamming commmunist propaganda for over a year on this video. He's paid to support Richard Wolff and this is shown by the fact that they spams every Richard Wolff video he finds with copy/paste script full of false and misleading information.

@kiwikiwi2483 3 жыл бұрын

@@ExPwner I didn't find this Michael Mappin comment anywhere. So again, I will ask the both of you to take your ignorance and political bias elsewhere and let the logical people enjoy a civil debate for once.

@ExPwner 3 жыл бұрын

@@kiwikiwi2483 sort comments by new and look at the replies. He's been responding to practically every comment for over a year solid and he does it from a script. I've not once been ignorant. I've been plenty logical.

@Linda-wo4zr 3 ай бұрын

Oh ya I forgot to say people would go into what is like a library and order what they needed or wanted.

@chad3358 6 ай бұрын

Like most things that are the extreme opposites at the ends of a scale the answer and best solution is probably somewhere in the middle.

@Azerath2 4 жыл бұрын

"in the age of the internet, dont let school get in the way of your education."

@Azerath2 4 жыл бұрын

professor wolf absolutely won and destroyed his opponent in this debate, but that quote from his opponent here is very telling.

@ExPwner 4 жыл бұрын

@@Azerath2 no he didn't you dumbass. He lost the debate in every way. He lost the vote count and he didn't have one coherent argument. He lied the whole way through. Attributing war to capitalism, making bogus claims about wages and poverty....all lies.

@michaelmappin1830 4 жыл бұрын

@@Azerath2 , not only did Epstein not have a valid counterargument, he ended up agreeing with wolf most of the time. How can anyone in their right mind argue against workers owning and controlling their own labour and resources? Obviously worker cooperatives keep more wealth and control with the communities and the workers. That means greater purchasing power for the community. It makes communities less dependant on government and billionaire corporations when it comes to jobs and consumer goods. The workers are doing their own work rather than someone else's.

@twielajones384 4 жыл бұрын

@@ExPwner that vote was from right winged people. Stop calling people dumb. unless you're looking in the MIRROR

@ExPwner 4 жыл бұрын

@Me Super not an argument, fucktard.

@DavidDouglasToth 6 ай бұрын

That first question? Wow 🤦‍♂️

@BroFest89 3 ай бұрын

18:17 I wonder if he says "Swell Foop" often? haha I hope he does.

@SherrylLyn57 3 жыл бұрын

Moderator makes fun of audience member's appearance. Juvenile and insulting behavior meant to intimidate and demean.

@melvinklark4088 3 жыл бұрын

The fuck

@yolo-vl4wz 3 жыл бұрын

right? very inappropriate

@Francisco-we8yj 3 жыл бұрын

What should you care if it is meant to intimidate and demean, ultimately it is your own choice if you choose to let those words resonate within you or not.

@callidusvulpes5556 3 жыл бұрын

I think it was meant to be funny rather than demeaning. It was definitely in poor taste and insulting/demeaning even if that wasn’t the intent though. This moderator is terrible.

@gamer-ff6mh 3 жыл бұрын

Lol yeah. He is typical of certain type of libertarians.. Did you see his dressing sense. He literally wears that jacket to each interview. A certain type of libertarians are just immature people.

@lunetelalune2783 Жыл бұрын

The host is savage: "Get to the point. We don't care where you're from-- we're all strangers here."

@frodom2005 Жыл бұрын

total savage introducing them as young men too 😂

@hugorezende199 Жыл бұрын

"Are there any womem in the audience wanting to make questions? Would be nice. "Oh, you gotta a man bun, thats close." Hahahahah he was having his time.

@ifwecouldvote Жыл бұрын

He also said "I'm going to be a Nazi" just before the first question from the audience, which was from a German kid. He's a classy fellow indeed!

@skysheep747 Жыл бұрын

@@hugorezende199 I didn't like that first part, as if women couldn't speak for themselves. Are those women being suppressed from speaking? Or is that women are expect to have a varying opinion?

@timc1604 Жыл бұрын

@@skysheep747 I think the audience was heavily male. This debate was sponsored by Reason Magazine, a right wing free market Libertarian organization. That kind of libertarian (as opposed to a left libertarian like Noam Chomsky) is heavily white male. Not all of course and I imagine the moderator was hoping to find some exceptions.

@MichaelAbraham-qy9py 9 күн бұрын

Another falsehood. Henry Ford introduced the $5/day & 40 hour workweek in the 1920s. He had wanted to introduce it earlier, but was delayed by WWI. He did so because Ford studies noted more manufacturing errors & on the job accidents The UAW didn’t organize at Ford until the 1950´s

@rinaldirahardja8449 11 ай бұрын

Question: What is the differences between community ownership and stakeholders?

@mitchell1450 10 ай бұрын

With stakeholders, votes are bought. Those with money to invest will have the most say over a company. It is a false democracy. This is equivalent to having to buy political votes, clearly those with money will be the only ones with an opinion that will be heard.

@stimuluz-brawlstars6631 6 ай бұрын

Answer: idk

@gaius2444 4 жыл бұрын

Either way you lean on this issue, there’s no Reason to have Nick Gillespie moderate another debate ever again.

@davidcomeau6308 4 жыл бұрын

Such a straw man

@thezpn 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the first audience question was very poorly mishandled. He also didn't structure the debate as he outlined at the beginning with statements, rebuttal, and then Moderator Questions. I think he just got too antsy and rushed into the audience questions

@Bolizen 3 жыл бұрын

@jamee boss Capitalism: you made these chips but I own the chip brand so I take 90% of your labour

@GrimSleepy 3 жыл бұрын

@@Bolizen +Uncle Sam = I need YOU! To give up 25% of your income! Municipality + State take 10% Down to 6.5% of the profit for the product made 100% by you. Now, depending where you live, you must spend some on the side, to spend any on goods.

@youarereadingmyusername3070 3 жыл бұрын

@@Bolizen Capitalism: the worker chooses which company to go and make chips. If he doesn't like the boss he can leave at any time. Socialism: everybody is forced to make chips and give it away to be distributed

@ColeMoleson 4 жыл бұрын

Destiny got destroyed in this debate

@culturalcatholic4235 4 жыл бұрын

Vaush got destroyed in this debate.

@ColeMoleson 4 жыл бұрын

cultural catholic bruh

@user-dq7cc3ju1w 4 жыл бұрын

Dr Ninja JF got divorced in this debate

@AmateurContendr 4 жыл бұрын

Please tell me you're being ironic with that choice of words.

@noahscheffey5636 4 жыл бұрын

@@AmateurContendr It's a meme

@liquidificadoroficial3975 Ай бұрын

One problem that philosophers have a lot is the total disagreement with generalized ideias that they don't like

@AstronomicalAviation 5 ай бұрын

This debate goes up with some of the greatest of all time, like the Lincoln-Douglas debates which preceded the American civil war. Abraham Lincoln and Stephen Douglas were very close friends despite having opposite ideologies surrounding slavery, and were respectful of one another even while debating. Incredibly, though he would die only two months later, Douglas would switch his affiliations in favor of the Union as a result of the United States Army surrender at Fort Sumter. Now allies with his former opponent, Douglas even suggested privately to Lincoln that instead of sending 75,000 Union troops to suppress the Confederate Army, he send 200,000, saying "You do not know the dishonest purposes of these men as I do." Douglas would spend the short remainder of his life rallying support for his former opponent.

@Ravidist 4 жыл бұрын

"If it's too difficult to hear me out, it's a sign that I'm getting to you." Ouch, professor.

@culturalcatholic4235 4 жыл бұрын

Whoa, rhetorical skill!

@BOOMProductionsVIDs 4 жыл бұрын

What did the guy say?

@shannon3944 4 жыл бұрын

Wolffe don't play!! 👍♥️🤣😂🤣

@pablopicado156 4 жыл бұрын

@@BOOMProductionsVIDs "stop whining"

@the13rook 4 жыл бұрын

Sounded like the dude just wanted to get kicked out. Because I would've laughed at his dumbass while kicking him out

@darianbear5400 3 жыл бұрын

“Please keep your questions short” “Hello, allow me to explain my whole life story”

@dododolo1583 3 жыл бұрын

"Just one question please" "Okay here are my questions"

@jamshaqtv3039 3 жыл бұрын

"Dark humour is like health care, not everyone gets it" - USA kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mKt6eq9p0KrOk2Q.html Watching this on the most capitalistic medium ever.

@theamericanspirit8590 3 жыл бұрын

@@jamshaqtv3039 awesome

@apetitelife2022 7 ай бұрын

Need more such debates 😊

@QueenOfMud 8 ай бұрын

The moderator was extremely unprofessional. Several snarky comments towards Prof. Wolff with no chance to address them, and downright rude commenting on the appearance and gender of the questioners.

@giovannib27 3 жыл бұрын

What I learned from this: All socialists look like Bernie Sanders.

@rockstarskolas 3 жыл бұрын

Thomas Sankara, a black man: *visible confusion*

@RuthlessCrawdad 3 жыл бұрын

@@rockstarskolas it is simply called... a joke

@liampremo6798 3 жыл бұрын

Too bad bernie isnt one😅

@jb8785 3 жыл бұрын

@@liampremo6798 then what is he

@user-gx3cf2ot2q 3 жыл бұрын

@@jb8785 simply a social democrat. For all the fear mongering that he would end capitalism... He would actually preserve/save it. The same way fdr did.

@alekdaniels 3 жыл бұрын

The moderator is disrespectful, sarcastic, and lacks credibility to moderate a debate.

@jorgewinner4116 3 жыл бұрын

the moderator is paid by the chinese communist party and isn a traitor to democracy, freedom and America like the rest of the corrupt american academia eleitists/leftists.

@mrplayagreen52 3 жыл бұрын

He showed up wearing a leather jacket😂

@JimLockett 3 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry that your education was incomplete, but this is what happens when education is optional, and at personal expense. Those without any curiosity spew ignorance as fact. Loser George, you're an ignorant fool. Enjoy your dystopia.

@birdstink 3 жыл бұрын

I disagree. I was grateful that he disallowed preambles to questions. I, too, don't care about the questioner's name or background. Get to the question! Maybe we'll have time for more questions that way.

@jorgewinner4116 3 жыл бұрын

@@JimLockett Turd eater. Shove communism up your sorry arse. Communism is not just a false and evil ideology, but goes well beyond any dystopian worldview. It has faled miseraly every time it was tried out, in all parts of the world. karl Marx was an ignorant fool, an imbecile a, a fraud and a liar, like all communists that follow his limping steps. Communism is immoral, anti-human, dishonest, intolerant and the supreme manifestation of ignorance and stupidity, Only retards, liars, douchebags and criminals endorse communism.

@distorq 11 ай бұрын

I really wonder what that heckler had to say at 14:20

@blacksmeim8791 12 сағат бұрын

I mean, he just yelled: "Stop yapping!"

@bruceweaver1518 9 ай бұрын

This forum is the foundation of liberty itself. We now have two different sides of a very important issue. One of the things I grew up with was that Communism was evil, but no one ever explained to me what Communism actually was. I had to find out myself. When I took an Economics course. The Iranian teacher who was not even a professor said he would give me an A+ if I did a paper on the greatness of Socialism. I thought if I had the time I would take him up on that.

@louissenior1434 2 жыл бұрын

People in the comments are like: the debate was so good there’s no need for us to join it

@calysagora3615 2 жыл бұрын

Socialism got debunked, what else is there?

@EmeraldPixelGamingEPG 2 жыл бұрын

Literal robots lol

@A_duck9853 2 жыл бұрын

I'd Argue we need a referee There's nothing stopping people from saying fallacies, throwing tantrums, calling each others names and so on

@FidgetyGuy 2 жыл бұрын

I am certain that I am now dumber for having listened to Richard Wolff.

@freebird5215 2 жыл бұрын

@@FidgetyGuy you are correct... and so am I.... Vote for Pedro

@s1mplem4gic58 3 жыл бұрын

Guys I just replaced the T H E in THE with A M O N G U S and got Among Us 🤯🤯😱😱

@youwaisef 3 жыл бұрын

Fuck everybody. I thought I'd balance things a bit.

@arturolagos5704 3 жыл бұрын

Do you think people ho fight in KZfaq comments actually watch meaningful content? XD

@hisir4674 3 жыл бұрын

Ni🇳🇬gga

@Ltpwnface 3 жыл бұрын

This is an hour long debate.. people who aren’t chill are elsewhere just entertaining themselves and fighting in the comments.

@burtpanzer 3 жыл бұрын

Only retards are chill on this topic.

@yasseralsaidi1168 6 ай бұрын

There is not any budget that is properly managed if thats what you want to know ?

@akramulhaquerobi1638 28 күн бұрын

Excellent debate

@MugRuith 4 жыл бұрын

Why are there so many debates with awesome guests and terrible moderators?

@TheDude1776 4 жыл бұрын

That's when you know it's a controlled debate with bias.

@LuisPereira-bn8jq 4 жыл бұрын

Well, one awesome guest. The other one is nearly senile.

@youtuber6185 4 жыл бұрын

Everyone knows that moderators so it does the control and perceived power not the money. It’s a mindset.

@just83542 4 жыл бұрын

Because a debaters job is to make themselves and their positions look better. A moderators job is not to make themselves look good, but to challenge the debaters to be understood, which both supporters of either side can agree to dislike because a challenge feels like an attack to a partisan.

@Johnconno 4 жыл бұрын

Fear.

@canyon9155 4 жыл бұрын

can we all democratically vote to eject the moderator into space?

@youtuber6185 4 жыл бұрын

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. But the moderator does suck, instead can we write a letter to the representative who employees him?

@youtuber6185 4 жыл бұрын

Davin S I wish no harm, even to those who may seemingly deserve it. There are things I suck at much like how this moderator sucks at moderating . “I have spoken.... “ lol

@cristiancr714 4 жыл бұрын

Honestly that dude is such a pretentious prick

@harolddburke4726 4 жыл бұрын

The speakers are great !

@sofuckingannoying 4 жыл бұрын

@rob see Gene Epstein said on the Tom Woods podcast that he had asked the mod in advance to be biased in favor of the proposition. That way his victory could not be disputed.

@MrPhysfin Жыл бұрын

People don’t change, the motive of self interest is too ingrained in people

@jaxwhyland 2 жыл бұрын

First dude asking a question got the nerve to give a speech literally 5 seconds after being told not to. Respect the rules

@hamzael5969 2 жыл бұрын

It was part of his question…

@chickennoodlesoup__ 2 жыл бұрын

@@hamzael5969 i think it was just his ego in the way

@gmobile6991 2 жыл бұрын

the capitalist opening got 17 minutes as well dude wym

@jenniferst3224 2 жыл бұрын

@@gmobile6991 I believe they were talking about the German man who was the first of the audience to ask the debators a question

@trey21allday 2 жыл бұрын

Was hoping I wasn’t the only one who noticed that.

@vadudsafa 2 жыл бұрын

"Two young men in the prime of their lives". There is a poem in Persian which says: "توانا بود هرکه دانا بود، ز دانش دل پیر برنا بود", meaning, "Mighty is he who has knowledge; from knowledge the old heart becomes young."

@yteuropehdgaming9633 2 жыл бұрын

Not just the heart, but the mind as well.

@NeostormXLMAX 2 жыл бұрын

i thought it was a mistake at first. lol

@KrazyKaiser 2 жыл бұрын

Beautiful, thanks for sharing that!

@shaniakh2205 2 жыл бұрын

ولی حقیقتا بعضی وقتا ز دانش دل برنا پیر بُود ! هرچی بیشتر از اتفاقای کثیفی که تو این دنیا داره میفته میفهمی بیشتر زجر میکشی و این کافیه تا تو اوج جوونی پیرت کنه.

@erin1569 2 жыл бұрын

It's great! I have always wonder how many things we're missing by ignoring foreign authors.