What Will the End of the Drug War Mean for Addicts? Look to Oregon.

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2 жыл бұрын

Small-scale drug possession is now a $100 infraction that can be dismissed with a call to a drug abuse assessment hotline.
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In 1973, Oregon became the first state to decriminalize marijuana use, setting in motion a movement that has led to the unraveling of the disastrous U.S. drug war-with far-reaching consequences.
Today, Oregon is once again at the vanguard of reform: In February, it enacted a law ending prison and jail sentences for all types of drug use and possession, whether it be cocaine, meth, heroin, or psychedelics.
In 2019, before this new law was passed in a state-wide referendum, more than 4,000 people were convicted of drug possession in Oregon, and many more cut deals with prosecutors, allowing them to avoid a conviction in exchange for supervised probation and some rehab.
With the new law, not only does possession bring nothing more than a $100 ticket, defendants can get them dismissed if they place just one phone call to a drug abuse assessment hotline. So far, only 29 people ticketed for possession have placed that call, according to the nonprofit that runs the hotline.
"That's the downside, the lack of accountability built into the measure," says Mike Marshall, executive director of the Oregon Recovers, which lobbies for more funding for addiction treatment, and opposed Measure 110.
"I'm worried about the person living on the street, in the tent, right outside this window who's smoking meth all day long" says Marshall "We need to have a system of care to take care of them."
But Haven Wheelock, who runs a needle exchange in Portland called Outside In, says delaying decriminalization would have been morally unacceptable.
"Anything we do is better than doing nothing, and we know the harms of criminalization are harming people on the regular," says Wheelock. "We know that these interactions between law enforcement and people who are using drugs can be deadly. And so for me, decriminalizing drugs is a priority in and of itself. Those harms are real. Those harms are happening today."
Monta Knudson, executive director of Bridges to Change, which helps drug offenders who've recently been released from jail or prison transition into housing and reintegrate into society, says that the new law will greatly expand treatment access. Bridges to Change is one of several non-profits that will receive additional money through Measure 110, financed by cannabis taxes, to provide services to drug users before they enter the criminal justice system.
"We want to interrupt that prison [and] jail cycle and offer services instead," says Knudson.
As a former drug user, however, Knudson did find treatment through the criminal justice system. He struggled for years with a meth addiction and was arrested dozens of times. After a 2-year prison stint for crimes related to his drug problem, he was released to a rehab program that provided the help he needed.
"The deeper my addiction grew, in those windows of time where I wanted and needed help, help wasn't to be found in a way that was accessible to me," says Janie Gullickson, executive director of a peer support group called the Mental Health and Addiction Association of Oregon. "[Treatment] finally was accessible in prison, which is backwards in my mind."
Gullickson overcame a meth addiction that began at age 15 and continued until she ended up in prison at age 36. As a chief petitioner for Measure 110, she agrees that there are better ways to get drug addicts treatment than through the criminal justice system.
"I did want treatment. And I had been in [prison] for a year before I was accepted into the [prison drug treatment program]," says Gullickson. "And, God, I wish this program, would have been accessible to me before I wasn't able to raise my five kids."
And while Oregon's 1973 marijuana decriminalization was decades ahead of its time, proponents believe that if the state succeeds now, the wave of complete drug decriminalization will spread across the entire country much sooner.
Produced by Zach Weissmueller. Camera by John Osterhoudt. Additional B-roll by Mark McDaniel and Jim Epstein.
Photo Credits: David Tesinsky/ZUMA Press/Newscom; Luis Nunes/Sipa USA/Newscom; Tommaso Salvia/Newscom; Governor Tom Wolf Flickr; Teun Voeten/Sipa USA/Newscom; Photo 42887135 © Ocusfocus | Dreamstime.com

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@daciandraco6462
@daciandraco6462 2 жыл бұрын
"One step at a time, let's see how this goes" when asked about the intact black market... This is government policy 101. Never thinking beyond the initial stage.
@kate9576
@kate9576 2 жыл бұрын
In Illinois, legal weed is so highly taxed that the illegal street trade and the associated crime doesn’t go down.
@bford5899
@bford5899 2 жыл бұрын
@@kate9576 illegal means sold outside the dispensary. Most people that sell outside the dispensary have jobs and sell to supplement their income. There’s no marijuana cartel murders. Open air market is down 75%. You call your person and that’s it. Most adult users work. It’s too widely available and relatively cheap for that fact. I know people my parents’ age that sell marijuana and they’re not on any corners or involved in gang activity. They’re baby boomers. All the reefer madness has always been propaganda to justify the drug war and draconian marijuana sentences
@daciandraco6462
@daciandraco6462 2 жыл бұрын
@@kate9576 that's the classic "we're not banning X, we're just hyper-taxing it". In the end, almost same result as banning.
@bford5899
@bford5899 2 жыл бұрын
@@kate9576 I’m in Illinois. Chicago. I almost included a snarky comment but erased it. I want to stick to the facts. Chicago is dragged mercilessly and it hurts. Not saying all criticisms are undeserved. It’s complicated......
@MasterArkannor
@MasterArkannor 2 жыл бұрын
Why doyou have a problem with her? Her answer was that she wasn't sure if she could advocate for legal drug sales. I don't care if I disagree with her; how can you call that unreasonable or compare her to a politician?
@angelalyons4548
@angelalyons4548 2 жыл бұрын
Something should obviously be done. However, going back to criminalization should not be it. Oregon should have better prepared for this because it's making the move to decriminalize look like a bad idea. As an addict myself, being jailed and having my name ruined and my life ruined by drug criminalization has NOT helped me in any way. I'd like to see decriminalization but done the right way so it shows success. I think they all had valid points. I am 100% for decriminalization. "Black market" fentanyl pills were introduced right when Oragon decriminalized. That seems mighty fishy. Wake up America.
@IIIUMlNATI
@IIIUMlNATI 2 жыл бұрын
Spread the word everywhere, especially cali residents! Larry Elder for California Governor!
@lolhi9626
@lolhi9626 2 жыл бұрын
As a Californian, I approve this message!
@lolhi9626
@lolhi9626 2 жыл бұрын
@strayarticle He's literally a radio host running for governor
@lolhi9626
@lolhi9626 2 жыл бұрын
@strayarticle What I'm saying is that he isn't someone who's held an elected office before. Those people tend to be the biggest liars. He's definitely way less corrupt than Newsom and most other politicians.
@ApriliaRacer14
@ApriliaRacer14 2 жыл бұрын
He’s got my vote September 14th!!!!
@libertariantranslator1929
@libertariantranslator1929 2 жыл бұрын
Long Dong Silver 2? Educated Californians are voting for Jeff Hewitt's platform, not a BLM Republican prohibitionist.
@PackinForSuperbowl
@PackinForSuperbowl 2 жыл бұрын
I live in Portland. I personally have no problems with personal drug use...that being said, my beautiful hometown has been turned into a dystopian shit hole. The hubris of all these people saying they know what's best for the homeless and addicted is reprehensible. Anyone who walks around many parts of Portland and has the nerve to say we're making progress is utterly deluded.
@ApriliaRacer14
@ApriliaRacer14 2 жыл бұрын
Same here is Cali. We all need to vote different.
@ravenisabirdiguess6508
@ravenisabirdiguess6508 2 жыл бұрын
It sounds like you're just angry that now you need to look at the people yourself and the rest of society threw to the side. Like sorry that now you have to look at the problem that the system you live in knowingly created. All arresting drug addicts does is put them in a convenient little box that lets you ignore them. What I'm sick of is rich kids whining about reality creeping up on them. Things are going to get worse before they get better. Maybe someday you'll learn to swallow that pill.
@mbcornelison74
@mbcornelison74 Жыл бұрын
@@ravenisabirdiguess6508 not to mention a lot of the street people using drugs are suffering from the hyper-inflated cost of black market drugs, and have been made criminals with perhaps felony records making it that much more difficult to get off the street. Legalization and regulation can completely change the face and culture of drug use and addiction.
@ravenisabirdiguess6508
@ravenisabirdiguess6508 Жыл бұрын
@@mbcornelison74 Incredibly based.
@mbcornelison74
@mbcornelison74 Жыл бұрын
@@ravenisabirdiguess6508 thanks for the reply, I’m not sure I understand what you mean by “incredibly based”, please elaborate when you get the chance.
@christophersundquist881
@christophersundquist881 2 жыл бұрын
This will change a lot of things, overdoses won't be one of them.
@brandonice9137
@brandonice9137 2 жыл бұрын
Lol your actually wrong, do a little research.
@christophersundquist881
@christophersundquist881 2 жыл бұрын
@@brandonice9137 LMAO....do you seriously not realize how arrogant that statement is. The fact that you didn't offer any explanation as to how I am wrong proves that you are the one that doesn't know what you are talking about. People use drugs for various reasons, they all overdose for the same reason. This is because the high is no longer putting them in the euphoric state that was being used to fill the void in their lives. This causes them to use larger amounts in order to seak out that euphoric state instead of fixing the problems in their lives that caused them to use in the first place. The subsequent result is a compromised endicrine and immune system. This happens because the electro chemical reactions have been thrown into chaos and the body can no longer compensate for such a large amount of a foreign substance. Seriously, this is something that was taught in Biology 101 and there is no better form of reaearch that can match the experience of life as well as the countless people I've had to deal with, many of them were addicts. Lets pretend for a moment that this wold stop overdoses. That would mean they were only doing drugs just because they were told they shouldn't. That makes them the the most INEPT Humans on the PLANET.
@christophersundquist881
@christophersundquist881 2 жыл бұрын
@Steve L LMAO...again, no explanation. Just another person running their mouth. The original statement is blatantly arrogant because neither of you know anything about me or the reserch that I have done. Which I partially informed you of in my last reply. To make such a statement two assumptions hade to be made first. One is assuming I haven't done any research, two is assuming I have no experience in the subject matter. Too which you have no evidence from. I actually do volunteer work with addicts. Your ignorance is proven by simpley spouting insults instead of actually explaining your position. I gave you the most basic science, you gave me nothing. Seriously, use your brain.
@gummojunt
@gummojunt 2 жыл бұрын
@@christophersundquist881 “LMAO”…. stfu. if u rly knew ur shit you’d realize why so many people overdose. all sorts of pills and shoots are cut w nasty and lethal shit, but having this decriminalization reduces the chance of laced shit. there would be less overdoses cuz of that, and like he mentioned in the video, the needles would be cleaner, so it would reduce spread and intake of disease. yk what… watch the WHOLE video. you missed a lot of information bud.
@christophersundquist881
@christophersundquist881 2 жыл бұрын
@@gummojunt LMAO....I MISSED NOTHING. You are the one who didn't pay attention to anything I SAID. Thake your arrogance somewhere els. Be original, don't inadequately utilize information that is in front of our faces. The funny part about all this is that the only people that have a problem with what I said are obvious users. Besides this won't stop them from putting toxins into their bodies. This will make it easier for them to get. This doesn't eliminate their individual desires for drugs. If you think that the main cause of overdoses are simpley getting bad drugs, you are DANGEROUSLY NI'EVE. WHY WERE THEY SEEKING THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE? They are looking for an escape. I don't consider marijuana to be a "drug", however I don't advocate it's legalization. The reasons are to numerous to go into. I will state that all mind altering substances are a crutch that everyone becomes dependent on, instead of DEALING WITH THEIR PROBLEMS. Setting that aside, they were talking about decriminalization. That meas the people giving "bad drugs" won't actually be charged with anything. Lets not forget that if this was all about letting kids off for a little weed, then why mention all the other stuff.
@Run.Ran.Run1
@Run.Ran.Run1 2 жыл бұрын
Your choices shouldn't cost me the fruits of my labor, which is what I chose to do. Good luck taking responsibility for your own health.
@SeraphsWitness
@SeraphsWitness 2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU
@surrealengineering7884
@surrealengineering7884 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Voluntary help and donations are great, and i admire people who can afford to give a lot to charity. But forcing me to pay for other's health decicions? NO!
@oldironsides3992
@oldironsides3992 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. It should be up to me to help. Not a Bureaucrat. Having seen family members go down this path with our family steping in and helping them overcome it. They now help others who want help.
@nateb4543
@nateb4543 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, however in the voter pamphlet spelled it out in costs for prosecution and jailing outweighs this. We'll see. Seems like we should get better than 47th at treatment access before something like this
@Run.Ran.Run1
@Run.Ran.Run1 2 жыл бұрын
@@nateb4543 then something should also be done about those costs too. The prison system is a racket.
@cleveland3357
@cleveland3357 2 жыл бұрын
This is why we are a Republic. Each state gets to try their own path. If it works other states my follow. If not then we haven’t done this Federally
@stansman5461
@stansman5461 2 жыл бұрын
And then you have the example of Californians. State failing, losing people migrating, and yet, people want those same policies on successful states.
@treydavis1699
@treydavis1699 2 жыл бұрын
@@stansman5461 when goverment is wrong about something they throw more money at it and expand it.
@ravenisabirdiguess6508
@ravenisabirdiguess6508 2 жыл бұрын
@@stansman5461 California has a wealth inequality issue more than it has a policy issue. No one you could ever vote for in Cali or any state for that matter is going to do anything to fix the root of the problem. The companies that control shit are just going to fund your preferred party instead of the one they fund right now if you get your way. Stop lying to yourself. Voting is more than just pointless. It might as well not fucking exist. You will have the same outcome every single time.
@joelhanson5304
@joelhanson5304 2 жыл бұрын
shit like this works for the citizens already there. unfortunately policies like this attract the worst street urchins from across the country and encourages them to move into the city. also, lots and lots executive directors in this video making lots a lots of money for not fixing the root cause. also, they should exchange 10ga needles just to be funny.
@DanielMartinez-lz3ot
@DanielMartinez-lz3ot 2 жыл бұрын
Wheelock says "anything we do is better than doing nothing." As an Oregonian I see things getting worse, people openly smoking meth, shooting up, people passed out on the street, maybe Portugal has a better plan, but the one we seemed to have voted for is looking grim.
@johnthree1611
@johnthree1611 2 жыл бұрын
For sure, they need to force treatment on people who are addicted, addicts do nothing good for society.
@YouilAushana
@YouilAushana 2 жыл бұрын
Drug decriminalization should be to not make it a taboo subject and in order to make people not tempted to use it. When people are told no or its bad then they desire it more. Also, to change the imagine of partying and drug abuse in society and help people who are prone to addiction.
@DanielMartinez-lz3ot
@DanielMartinez-lz3ot 2 жыл бұрын
@@YouilAushana O.K. Wow, I hardly know where to start. Nobody says, "it's bad, I want to try some," more likely, we see someone getting high and we want to be included even when we know better, humans are suckers when it comes to envy. I believe that drug legalization should happen, but I also know that most of the proponents for legalization don't have a clue about how ugly that world will look. Also, partying and drug abuse are two very different animals, partying belongs to separate a conversation while drug abuse and addiction don't give a fuck about society's images or moral high grounds.
@bford5899
@bford5899 2 жыл бұрын
Our economy is crumbling . People are depressed. Losing everything. Sick. Committing suicide in record numbers. These are huge factors for drug use and crime. Federal decriminalization of all drugs doesn’t mean I’ll try heroine, coke, meth. I’ve never wanted to experience them. If I wanted to, I could get it easily now, even though they’re illegal where I live. The law wasn’t what was stopping me from using, just like it isn’t stopping those using now. They legalized marijuana here last year. There wasn’t a huge new crop of weed smokers born. The same people that were smoking before are doing it now. Now you don’t risk felony conviction for a plant. A natural herb. Crime has gone down because having a tiny amount of a plant you purchased for $5 from some poor person selling plant particles to survive won’t land the both of them in jail, staining their background for life, making it nearly impossible to get a job. Meaning they now have to earn a living illegally or die.
@DanielMartinez-lz3ot
@DanielMartinez-lz3ot 2 жыл бұрын
@@bford5899 I think you have missed my point, Just decriminalizing drugs won't help, why do you think everyone is bitching about people nodding at the bus stop, or ranting at passersby, or shitting in the parking lots? B.T.W. this ain't about pot so climb down the from the pedestal on that one, pot should have been legalized decades ago.
@micahtdoggknight9728
@micahtdoggknight9728 2 жыл бұрын
comes down to personal choice.you are responsible for the path you are on
@kevinkerr9310
@kevinkerr9310 2 жыл бұрын
Ask if they want help. A "no" means leave them alone. "The state" telling people they need their help is kind of part of the problem, forcing a parental solution few asked for. Phantom altruism by bureaucracy gives someone something to do I guess.
@bford5899
@bford5899 2 жыл бұрын
Plus they can monetize this many different ways
@samsungtelevision695
@samsungtelevision695 2 жыл бұрын
Nailed it. 10/10
@CancunManny
@CancunManny 2 жыл бұрын
You explained it with way less words that I could have. Seems we want freedom to chose to do what we want to do, but at the same time be able to decide if it is ok or not for others to do what they want to do. I am no expert, but I am pretty confident you can take a drug addict to rehab 100 times, but if they don't want to sober up it will never take. "Drug addicts are killing themselves", probably but their choice no? People that over eat are also killing themselves no? The ones that smoke? Drink too much? Why criminalize personal choice? "But addicts usually turn to crime to support their habit", well when they get caught committing crimes like robbery, stealing, etc., THEN charge them with those crimes.
@tjedwards4254
@tjedwards4254 2 жыл бұрын
We should lock up people who are refusing help and continually damaging others.
@CancunManny
@CancunManny 2 жыл бұрын
@@tjedwards4254 "We should lock up people who are refusing help and continually damaging others." So lock up cigarette smokers that refuse to quit? Lock up alcoholics that refuse to give up the drink? Lock up fat people that refuse to diet and exercise? I don't know, it seems you can't call something "help" when it is forced on you. Refusing to accept help shouldn't be a crime. Damaging others, specially continually is a crime and it should continue to be so.
@snoubear3280
@snoubear3280 2 жыл бұрын
It might work, in general. If all addicts overdose and die, because nothing can stop them, then no one will have an overdose anymore.
@lukainteressado.3202
@lukainteressado.3202 2 жыл бұрын
I mean people do what they want, as long no one is harmed other than the one who is using anything, if they overdose that is their problem
@seth5143
@seth5143 2 жыл бұрын
Lmfao. I mean funny joke but what is it you think is stopping addicts now? I'm 100% sure less people would be overdosing in the first place because quality control means accurate dosing and there wouldn't be fentanyl or fent analogues in people's heroin
@crisisjack
@crisisjack 2 жыл бұрын
@@lukainteressado.3202 drug addicts are going to harm each other.
@lukainteressado.3202
@lukainteressado.3202 2 жыл бұрын
@@seth5143 yeah drugs being legal, there would be less incentive to harm your customer to death would it? safe drugs might become a thing. weed exist and is 100% vegan lol
@lukainteressado.3202
@lukainteressado.3202 2 жыл бұрын
@@crisisjack their problem tho, teach them how to take legal action against each other.
@ObiWanBockobi
@ObiWanBockobi 2 жыл бұрын
It's not the government's role to forbid drug use or provide treatment. If people want to ruin their own lives it is not for the government to play the role of their parents, family, church, neighbors, friends and get them on a recovery track.
@ObiWanBockobi
@ObiWanBockobi 2 жыл бұрын
@@ASchnacky exactly
@societyofrobots
@societyofrobots 2 жыл бұрын
What if a homeless camp of drug addicts parks in front of your home? What about the drug related crime that affects those who don't use drugs? What about driving while high? Those who make good life choices should be protected from those who make bad life choices.
@societyofrobots
@societyofrobots 2 жыл бұрын
@@ASchnacky Personal insults do not make a valid argument.
@societyofrobots
@societyofrobots 2 жыл бұрын
@@ASchnacky Personal attacks are a very ineffective technique to convince others to see it your way. It causes people to harden their strance against you, increasing the probability your drugs will be taken away.
@societyofrobots
@societyofrobots 2 жыл бұрын
@@ASchnacky Unfortunately it's been proven that hard drugs always leads to crime and other negative social costs, as the cognitive damage renders the individual unable to hold a job. Quitting a hard drug is far harder than quitting alcohol or marijuana, with many individuals unable to do so without outside help.
@SkepticalZack
@SkepticalZack 2 жыл бұрын
Of course not. We need to keep doing the same old things. It’s working so WELL!
@nope-_._-
@nope-_._- 2 жыл бұрын
8 months later: we need a bailout to help with the mass addiction/overdose crisis!!
@DeimosSaturn
@DeimosSaturn 2 жыл бұрын
it's the prison industry that will be asking for a bail out
@libertariantranslator1929
@libertariantranslator1929 2 жыл бұрын
Argument from superstitious assumption and prediction on ignorance
@mbcornelison74
@mbcornelison74 Жыл бұрын
The ‘bailout’ is the legalization and regulation of drugs. Nothing short of ending the drug war and the black market crime it has created will suffice.
@samantharenaud370
@samantharenaud370 Жыл бұрын
Yeah funny how Portugal decriminalized drugs and started taking a health first approach and they’re in great shape, they’re rate of addiction and overdose are very minuscule compared to the rest of the world. And the idea that the approach we’ve been taking since the 70s is much better than decriminalization is crazy as the addiction and overdose problem in this country has only gotten substantially worse since the war on drugs began. Prohibition DOES NOT solve the problem, we proved that with alcohol. People are going to do drugs regardless. Also 90 percent of people who do drugs do not have a drug problem. We don’t outlaw cupcakes or gambling or sex because some people abuse it. This is coming from someone who survived a 12 year heroin addiction and hasn’t done drugs in almost 7 years.
@hobbes2555
@hobbes2555 2 жыл бұрын
This is why I'm trying to leave oregon. My home state can burn for all I care anymore.
@josephiannotta838
@josephiannotta838 2 жыл бұрын
I can't help but focus on the guy holding the phone upside down at 1:02
@cablekiller
@cablekiller 2 жыл бұрын
I noticed the long ass hangnail or hair sticking up from a finger.
@kc4276
@kc4276 2 жыл бұрын
Lmao you're both right, and now I can't unsee either 😂
@TheGreatMunky
@TheGreatMunky 2 жыл бұрын
Must be Biden answering the calls of his constituents.
@emmettturner9452
@emmettturner9452 2 жыл бұрын
LOL! Sharp eye. :)
@9879SigmundS
@9879SigmundS 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheGreatMunky lol.
@josephwindsor5182
@josephwindsor5182 2 жыл бұрын
my prediction-Homeless people move from other states to Oregon
@MrDeyzel
@MrDeyzel 2 жыл бұрын
"homeless people" "move"
@devonboyer944
@devonboyer944 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrDeyzel Yeah they do it all the time on buses. Trust me I live in Southern Oregon. It's a shitshow.
@LondonWater
@LondonWater 2 жыл бұрын
Hands down, the war on drugs killed countless friends and family for me. It’s undeniable. Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Let me ingest whatever I want when I get out of work. Make it clean, safe, and tell me the dosage. If that happens, I’m 100% safe. Instead we have to take unknown, unregulated substances that we grew up taking, but are only becoming more dangerous by the minute
@jimlovesgina
@jimlovesgina 2 жыл бұрын
They want government out of the drug war but they want government to pay for treatment. How about just get the government out? Why should I pay for your treatment? If you want to do drugs, do them in the privacy of your home. Don't do them on my front lawn. Trespassing is still illegal.
@torfistrom4549
@torfistrom4549 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@torfistrom4549
@torfistrom4549 2 жыл бұрын
Time is unfortunately the only way to heal
@dumbunny7986
@dumbunny7986 2 жыл бұрын
Where do they get the money for these drugs? Mostly ripping off the working taxpayers?
@Stevarooni
@Stevarooni 2 жыл бұрын
A strong welfare state and widespread drug use aren't a great combination.
@karlpierce3035
@karlpierce3035 2 жыл бұрын
And now not paying rent.
@SamaelHellscrem
@SamaelHellscrem 2 жыл бұрын
That or criminality. Witch means most of them will still be in prison
@wendydaniels1466
@wendydaniels1466 2 жыл бұрын
As a resident of Portland I’d say yes. We’re constantly shamed for asking for police to enforce laws because we’re said to be “demonizing” the “houseless”. Sorry, but asking not to have people steal your stuff, use drugs and throw needles in your yard and defecate and urinate in public doesn’t strike me as demonizing. A park near where I live has been completely overtaken by homeless addicts for years now. My kids used to play there but the playground is covered in tents and there are 5 gallon bucket “toilets” in the bushes. And every day more come.
@remyllebeau77
@remyllebeau77 2 жыл бұрын
@@wendydaniels1466 If you voted for liberals and leftists, this is exactly what you deserve, the democrat dystopian nightmare.
@123Homefree
@123Homefree 2 жыл бұрын
That Newtson drug counceler is obviously still on meth in his interview his eyes are much wider open and glassy looking compared to when he’s being filmed at the house where he clearly doesnt have as much in his system its likely a different day that they film with him.
@sylviahalo
@sylviahalo 2 жыл бұрын
9:03 hang on. The touted low overdose rate (33 overdoses out of 10,514 injections) is basically a meaningless stat because the types of people actually bothering to visit the injection center are probably not the most reckless of the users to begin with….so…..
@420frankp
@420frankp 2 жыл бұрын
Probably? You're probably wrong. But hey. What would I know on the subject? I'm just another person with an opinion.
@libertariantranslator1929
@libertariantranslator1929 2 жыл бұрын
Superstition is meaningless.
@Muphenz
@Muphenz 2 жыл бұрын
It's pretty simple, no victim, no crime. It doesn't matter if you think drugs are morally wrong. What you don't get to do is to tell people how to lives their lives.
@pwhqngl0evzeg7z37
@pwhqngl0evzeg7z37 2 жыл бұрын
In the case of many drugs, the user is the victim.
@mbcornelison74
@mbcornelison74 Жыл бұрын
And what happened to the “pursuit of happiness’ in America?
@num9908
@num9908 Жыл бұрын
How about the state of our country? How about the common good? Drugs are a plague on our society. Its not a victimless crime you loser, it victimizes all of us.
@HRZN-xj9um
@HRZN-xj9um 2 жыл бұрын
To stop overdoses? Probably not. To stop drug crime? Maybe.
@devonboyer944
@devonboyer944 2 жыл бұрын
It will stop crime in the legal sense, because it won't be prosecuted. The behavior will continue to get much worse. I see it every single day here in southern Oregon.
@beatmoney4533
@beatmoney4533 2 жыл бұрын
No wonder why many rural counties of Oregon want to be part of Idaho.
@devonboyer944
@devonboyer944 2 жыл бұрын
@Fremen Theoretically sure, but I doubt it, as someone who grew up and lives in southern Oregon. 1)the hard users will continue to clog up our hospitals, jails, and cause problems in public. 2)the fad users will mostly become addicted, as that's how most of them get into it in the first place 3)the rehabilitation programs will be abused for temporary shelter, and then abandoned for more drugs. 4) the cartels will keep doing what they do until they are shut down by the feds.
@infinitemonkey917
@infinitemonkey917 2 жыл бұрын
@@devonboyer944 It seems to be working in Portugal. How can you consider yourself a libertarian and be in favor of criminalizing drug use ? The war on drugs is an abysmal failure.
@infinitemonkey917
@infinitemonkey917 2 жыл бұрын
@@devonboyer944 " the cartels will keep doing what they do until they are shut down by the feds." LMAO. Are you serious ? The war on drugs started 50 yrs ago. The cia, feds, cops, dea, and military have failed to put a dent in it. Mexico is a narco state. The cartels have equal or greater power than the Mexican government. They also have their tendrils in it. Only legalization can damage the cartels by cutting into their profits.
@malinadams
@malinadams 2 жыл бұрын
Love it or leave it. 😆
@devonboyer944
@devonboyer944 2 жыл бұрын
@@infinitemonkey917 So in other words, you actually have NO idea what is happening in Southern Oregon then, yeah? The CIA, cops, DEA, and military didn't fail to do anything. They knew wtf they were doing, and lied to the country. Trust me, those cartels are being busted every month up here, and the locals are working with the cops to go after them. Let me guess, you also think that banks making high risk housing loans was actually meant to help poor people, and just happened to fail. lol You libertarians are just as ideological and dumb as the right and left, so it really doesn't even matter.
@JP-iq7pu
@JP-iq7pu 2 жыл бұрын
I still see everyone is still buying into the "Drug war" narrative. Yet the opponents to this narrative fail to see their negatives either way.
@largealmond3085
@largealmond3085 2 жыл бұрын
A step in the right direction, good on Oregon. Prohibition never works.
@SeraphsWitness
@SeraphsWitness 2 жыл бұрын
If prohibition never works, you must be an anarchist then.
@jetpetty1613
@jetpetty1613 2 жыл бұрын
Alcohol prohibition....major fail
@SeraphsWitness
@SeraphsWitness 2 жыл бұрын
@@jetpetty1613 So more accurately, sometimes prohibition fails. Not always.
@views-kb6sv
@views-kb6sv 2 жыл бұрын
@@SeraphsWitness It's failing now lmao
@rupertsmith5815
@rupertsmith5815 Жыл бұрын
@@SeraphsWitnessit is a complete disaster now! You would have to blind and living in a fantasy to think it is working
@williamw3501
@williamw3501 2 жыл бұрын
Is it the governments responsibility to protect people from themselves; whether that's criminalization or providing treatment options? 🤔
@zacharywallace8067
@zacharywallace8067 2 жыл бұрын
Nah. But nothing wrong with private parties helping people. Don't criminalize drugs, but let people offer private needle exchanges, places to safely use and receive treatment, etc. All shown to be pretty effective in helping addicts.
@zacharywallace8067
@zacharywallace8067 2 жыл бұрын
@Sean T drugs are fucking awesome man. Not if your addicted, though. But yeah you're right. People decide to do all sorts of stupid shit. And sometimes those people just need a little kindness and compassion to get back on the right path. It's really easy to let your addiction consume you when you ain't got anyone looking out for you. When you feel like nobody gives a fuck. We'd have a helluva lot less addicts if we removed the stigma around drugs.
@zacharywallace8067
@zacharywallace8067 2 жыл бұрын
@Sean T agreed! Nobody is disagreeing with you. In fact there were zero examples of tax payer dollars going towards rehabilitation programs in this video. These were all privatized non-profits. Honestly that's the better way to help people anyways. When the gov tries to run assistance programs of any kind, almost always they're done way over budget, and add so many levels of bureaucracy that it further deters people who actually need help from getting it. Among other things....
@zacharywallace8067
@zacharywallace8067 2 жыл бұрын
@Stop The Censorship as a matter of fact, gov spends a shit ton of your hard earned money on incarcerating people who did nothing more than smoke or sell some pot. Literally a plant. Imagine if you had to spend money each month to keep some dude you don't even know in a concrete box for giving his neighbour some oregano.
@zacharywallace8067
@zacharywallace8067 2 жыл бұрын
@Sean T well, it's the same thing as teaching abstinence is the only way. Fact is, your kids will be fucking. They'll also probably experiment with drugs at some point too. So yeah you're kind of right imo. There needs to be a balance. There's more nuance to these topics man. It's not so black and white. Drugs are powerful tools that if used right, can enhance your existence for the better. If used incorrectly and without moderation, they'll take your life. This is also coming from someone who grew up in Oregon and who the majority of their family has passed from drug use 🤣
@LastEarBender
@LastEarBender 2 жыл бұрын
Well, if people want to kill themselves with toxic substances and their family and friends aren't stopping them, I suppose that's their own choice, as long as they aren't doing physical harm to others. Wouldn't want to live there and deal with it, though, will say that much...
@johncampbell829
@johncampbell829 2 жыл бұрын
I feel the same way about the vaccines that are being forced by "mandates" that are untested
@erichamilton8952
@erichamilton8952 2 жыл бұрын
How about just not using drugs to begin with and then all the rest of this BS isn't necessary.
@JustinAnderson-uw2kv
@JustinAnderson-uw2kv 2 жыл бұрын
Opposing decriminalization because you're worried that "not sending them to jail means you aren't helping them"? Get it away from law enforcement. Let drugs be a social services issue, not an issue where people with guns show up to "help".
@infinitemonkey917
@infinitemonkey917 2 жыл бұрын
Yea, based on that guys philosophy we should also incarcerate people that eat too much junk food and have diabetes as a consequence.
@AngryReptileKeeper
@AngryReptileKeeper 2 жыл бұрын
@@infinitemonkey917 "But it's for your own good!"
@Djarms67
@Djarms67 2 жыл бұрын
You know, i learn that we still need mitigation technique even if we do full legalization of drugs. It look like we need to experiment with different treatments options through.
@samantharenaud370
@samantharenaud370 Жыл бұрын
Portugal should be our model for this. They’ve done a great job and had substantial success.
@mr.muldoontoyou
@mr.muldoontoyou 2 жыл бұрын
"That's a Bold strategy Cotton. Let's see how it plays out for them" - Abraham Lincoln
@tmbarry
@tmbarry 2 жыл бұрын
Drug Use doesn’t always mean abuse. Abuse equals abuse.
@Journeybacktoself
@Journeybacktoself 2 жыл бұрын
Yay! Where I live!
@Hegde-
@Hegde- 2 жыл бұрын
I wanted to laugh at this comment until i saw your photo then i realised it kinda made sense.😂🤣
@Hegde-
@Hegde- 2 жыл бұрын
@@ASchnacky I know it sound sexist but when you see purple/pink coloured hair, get ready to face huge hypocracy😂🤣
@ortegazs
@ortegazs 2 жыл бұрын
This is a libertarian principal
@TheCoon1975
@TheCoon1975 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, it's a personal choice whatever I decide to put in my own body and my responsibility to deal with the consequences. There is no reason for the state to interfere as long as I'm not infringing on anyone else's rights
@anancapcat4221
@anancapcat4221 2 жыл бұрын
No legalization is. Decriminalization is just prohibtion lite.
@libertariantranslator1929
@libertariantranslator1929 2 жыл бұрын
-4 spelling
@jonathanjollimore4794
@jonathanjollimore4794 2 жыл бұрын
End the silly war on drugs
@ryancooper5647
@ryancooper5647 2 жыл бұрын
Like other government programs, throwing money at problems just makes them grow. Look at homelessness and food stamps.
@MollyOKami
@MollyOKami 2 жыл бұрын
I'd be cheering for this, but there are two things that make me hesitant to call it a win: 1.) Many Oregonians were furious when gas pumping (something I've been doing since I was nine) was legalized for self-serve (no longer full-service only), as if that made full service illegal. 2.) Oregon is a big supporter of universal healthcare. You can't have both. If you want to legalize recreational drug use, great, but the taxpayers shouldn't be required to care for people who act recklessly.
@ChristinaChrisR
@ChristinaChrisR 2 жыл бұрын
What about people eating and drinking themselves to high blood pressure, diabetes, heart attacks? Quite a load on the healthcare system. What’s the big difference, really?
@JesseLH88
@JesseLH88 2 жыл бұрын
Yea, I think @Cristina nailed it. The issue with 'reckless' is anything can be construed as reckless. Eg. if you break a bone skydiving, one can say 'well, why should I pay for you to go skydiving?'. That seems reasonable, but what about bicycling? Or swimming? Or walking or driving? Any injury not obtained while sitting at home cowering could be blamed.
@ChristinaChrisR
@ChristinaChrisR 2 жыл бұрын
@@JesseLH88 Love your username😆 Yeah, I was thinking about those things like accidents caused by driving motorcycles recklessly, and your example with skydiving etc, too. Those things however, are (at least much more) morally acceptable, and therefore also acceptable as a cost to society through healthcare. While drug use - whether legally prescribed or not - and the individuals using or over using are looked down upon, and seen generally only as burden on a state or nations economy. And then we have all things in between, like you said. Where does one draw the line on personal responsibility for people’s vices? And HOW do we decide what lifestyle choices and the consequences thereof should be paid for by the individual themselves, in what grounds? Difficult subject to say the least.
@user-mc6nm1ru3o
@user-mc6nm1ru3o 2 жыл бұрын
@Jim C Bro, your Argument makes no sense. Thats not what social help is about. You People are bullshitting again about "tAxpAYeRS hAS tO pAy?!", but you people are forgetting that you pay waaaay more taxes/money on Drug Prohibition that currently is still ongoing. You waste way more money on Anti-Drug Agencies which yield NO results, and you all people didnt mind. But if its about help, you get greedy all of a sudden? The fuck... just pay for the new Drug Politics, its way more cheaper and you get much more in return compared to the Drug Prohibition before.
@IAMschizoaffective
@IAMschizoaffective 2 жыл бұрын
So no skydiving, rock climbing, racecar driving? What about potato chips or soda?
@largealmond3085
@largealmond3085 2 жыл бұрын
Surprised to hear no mention of the success Switzerland had with drug decriminalization in this video
@PreciousBoxer
@PreciousBoxer 2 жыл бұрын
People who choose to use substances don't require governmental intervention at all. Politicians created the initial problem and now they demand more funding to somewhat correct their mistake.
@RosannaMiller
@RosannaMiller 2 жыл бұрын
What is the ACTUAL CRIME committed by someone who uses a substance???
@ChR1St0p4eR
@ChR1St0p4eR 2 жыл бұрын
I like that the guy on the phone holds his phone inside down
@bikinggreg
@bikinggreg 2 жыл бұрын
How do you describe Oregon? Think of a normal state, then take away reason and responsibility.
@noone8418
@noone8418 2 жыл бұрын
Stop giving them cash. Start a barracks style shelter with a chow hall and urgent care facility with rehabilitation capabilities and stop giving them cash.
@johnnyapplesmith
@johnnyapplesmith 2 жыл бұрын
Drug use is a health problem, not a crime problem. Criminalizing drug use is oppression comparable to slavery, how do people not see this?
@mephistopheles6806
@mephistopheles6806 2 жыл бұрын
It's a psycho-social, and socio-economic issue.
@eriksnider7189
@eriksnider7189 2 жыл бұрын
If they need to put the magic wand of narcan on every corner in order to avoid massive amounts ODs, you're not truly doing anything to stop ODs
@got2kittys
@got2kittys 2 жыл бұрын
It should be illegal to stop O.D.s. You're interfering with the addicts free choice.
@user-mc6nm1ru3o
@user-mc6nm1ru3o 2 жыл бұрын
@@got2kittys Thats not a "free choice" if you get Stuff laced with Fentanyl, because the black market fucked up because of greed, and the stupidity of the government.
@garthian84
@garthian84 2 жыл бұрын
I visited Portland 3 years ago and have never seen a city with worse homelessness and open drug use problems. I find it hard to believe that decriminalizing will do anything to clean up the situation there.
@liamwinter4512
@liamwinter4512 2 жыл бұрын
You have no idea. It's gotten worse like a compounding interest problem.
@quailish2
@quailish2 2 жыл бұрын
As an oregonian I am kinda confused
@garthian84
@garthian84 2 жыл бұрын
@@quailish2 from all the drugs?
@1teamski
@1teamski 2 жыл бұрын
A huge mistake. Seriously, you are going to grow the drug market as it will become even easier to acquire and distribute. This is senseless.
@austinbyrd4164
@austinbyrd4164 2 жыл бұрын
Now allow the free trade of them to end the dangerous black market.
@TWteedoubleu
@TWteedoubleu 2 жыл бұрын
What happens in Oregon now is law enforcement officers don't waste their time citing people found to be possessing these drugs (meth, cocaine, heroin, etc.). These drug users just continue to use. There is no accountability. People stuck in their addiction are allowed to continue living in that addiction. If they end up committing some other crime, then law enforcement deals with them then. Portugal's system seems interesting. Oregon's is not impressive. I anticipate more property crime and more use/addiction in Oregon. We shall see.
@wendydaniels1466
@wendydaniels1466 2 жыл бұрын
The measure was also funded by massive donations from Zuckerberg and Soros, who see it as a test case for the nation. Local opposition couldn’t come close to the money they spent on misleading ads. People were led to believe there would be more treatment available than there is.
@TWteedoubleu
@TWteedoubleu 2 жыл бұрын
@@wendydaniels1466 I remember the measure verbiage on the ballot... it seemed misleading. Anyone with some empathy to addicts would have voted yes if they didn't know what the bill really does.
@ThirtytwoJ
@ThirtytwoJ 2 жыл бұрын
Addiction treatment usually means idiots locking you in a room or otherwise risking your life ala florida. Sudden drug use interrupting like he said, thats called severe withdrawal, that is also potentially deadly and mentally a crap shoot.
@doom2avatar
@doom2avatar 2 жыл бұрын
Depends on the drugs. You feel like shit from stim withdrawal but death is very unusual. Depressants and especially alcohol hits hard on withdrawal. The elevated activity usually triggers a heart attack
@AngryReptileKeeper
@AngryReptileKeeper 2 жыл бұрын
I loathe the drug war, but I also don't agree with compulsory treatment. Recidivism rates for court-ordered rehab are extremely high. Unless someone _wants_ to get clean, treatment is unlikely to succeed, and they'll start using again once the state is off their back. I don't see the wisdom in wasting taxpayer money on this. You can't help people who don't want to be helped. Stop trying and focus those resources on those who do want help. Furthermore, what right does the state have to force this on people? Is the state my mother and father? Does it know what's best for me? If it can do this, what stops it from deciding it needs to "save" me from smoking or eating the wrong foods then detain me and force its will on me "for my own good?"
@bhoovis
@bhoovis 2 жыл бұрын
People should not be punished for putting whatever they want into their own bodies. But I also have a problem with the use of tax money to provide for rehab and other services for people who chose to make stupid decisions. Responsibility is the downside of freedom.
@JustinRCampbell88
@JustinRCampbell88 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I am afraid of cocaine, meth and heroin. I know what it is like to enjoy alcohol to the point that I won't slow down. I feel like these drugs would be a recipe for disaster. However, I'd really like to see mushrooms, LSD, MDMA and the like to be controlled but legal. These are tough because obviously people in the wrong situations can go bonkers. You don't want to see them used at work or on the road. They are difficult to test for. But in the appropriate setting, I believe they may be beneficial spiritually, intellectually, and emotionally. They are not addictive and can often encourage positive change in perspective. They may inspire curiousity, wonder, belief, and hope.
@smokeemifyougotem9662
@smokeemifyougotem9662 2 жыл бұрын
I'd agree with mushrooms. Though, in some ways mind altering drugs can be worse long term, but for scientific purposes and artistic having a controlled environment for them would be cool. Lots of wavers and documents tho.
@anancapcat4221
@anancapcat4221 2 жыл бұрын
All drugs should be legal because: 1. Your body your choice. 2. The violent black market sucks. 3. The police state sucks. 4. It's expensive has hell (over 1 trillion dollars).
@frivolousarguments8578
@frivolousarguments8578 2 жыл бұрын
@@anancapcat4221 but then the state would just step in and regulate drug use like it does with alcohol.
@anancapcat4221
@anancapcat4221 2 жыл бұрын
@@frivolousarguments8578 That would suck too but it wouldn't be as bad as prohibition. Ultimately obviously, I'm for getting rid of the government so you don't have to worry about any regulation crap.
@seancarristhebest
@seancarristhebest 2 жыл бұрын
It seems to me that the no aggression principal is being missed here. Example: You should be allowed to take meth, you should not be allowed to breaking into my car and steal my stereo to get meth. Similarly, you should be allowed to take heroin, you should not be allowed to piss on my store front because your on heroin. The idea that addicts should get special treatment because they are addicts seems mis-guided. They should be responsible for their actions as the rest of society is.
@willardchi2571
@willardchi2571 2 жыл бұрын
@seancarristhebest - And people should not be allowed to enrich themselves simply by buying politicians to create laws and financial bailouts so these people can continue to benefit from bubbleized real estate speculation--leaving increasing numbers of good people homeless to pee on your storefront.
@seancarristhebest
@seancarristhebest 2 жыл бұрын
@@willardchi2571 i agree
@JoJoJoker
@JoJoJoker 2 жыл бұрын
Decriminalization doesn’t remove the main problem: black market drugs!
@libertariantranslator1929
@libertariantranslator1929 2 жыл бұрын
Initiation of force is the problem
@freecat1278
@freecat1278 2 жыл бұрын
Decriminalization might reduce the gang activity & the need to raid people's houses. Stop kicking fathers out of the house if you want to help individuals.
@naarcissus
@naarcissus 2 жыл бұрын
I doubt it. All this decriminalization does is drop non-commercial possession to a violation. It doesn't touch manufacture or distribution, that's still as illegal as before.
@randyscorner9434
@randyscorner9434 2 жыл бұрын
Decriminalization without a requirement for treatment has already been a disaster here in Oregon. Crime, homelessness, violence and traffic incidents/fatalities are all up dramatically. Drugs are being seen available to children openly and dealers are richer than ever since no one points them out to the police. Treatment options are NOT working. The needle exchange lady is delusional in her arguments that this is not harming anyone else. Safety on jobs is now dependent on who is high. The societal safety net continues to catch those who insist on damaging themselves at a cost to everyone else. Let them renounce their state funded medical coverage and welfare if they want to do this. Perhaps this is just evolution in action...
@PreciousBoxer
@PreciousBoxer 2 жыл бұрын
Treatment options cannot work unless the option of being left alone is among them. As long as an underground market exists for substances, there will be an underground culture. You cannot force will upon someone and demand positive results, unless disappointment is the goal.
@devonboyer944
@devonboyer944 2 жыл бұрын
@@PreciousBoxer The original comment literally points out the option of being left alone is currently the standard, and NOT working. You gotta think about everyone involved in this, and not just the idiots that got addicted to heroin.
@catalinforcos232
@catalinforcos232 2 жыл бұрын
Portugals drug decriminalization worked. It should here as well.
@jtpenman
@jtpenman 2 жыл бұрын
Prohibition never worked, never shall work
@atheistpower5659
@atheistpower5659 2 жыл бұрын
WOW if I ever end up on drugs I hope to go into a Libertarian drug clinic !
@abramgaller2037
@abramgaller2037 2 жыл бұрын
Overdose rates will decrease at first, and in a few years start to increase,as was in Portugal.
@jetpetty1613
@jetpetty1613 2 жыл бұрын
Link?
@Greg-xs5py
@Greg-xs5py 2 жыл бұрын
blah, blah, blah, talk to me about results. That's all that matters. Did decriminalizing hardcore drugs lead to an improvement in the general welfare of society or make things worse? People can have all the opinions they want, the stats don't lie. If a policy fails and you make excuse after excuse as to why it fails then you don't have a science, you have a religion.
@derekisthematrix
@derekisthematrix 2 жыл бұрын
If drug use stayed the same but incarceration rates went down, I'd call that a win for "society".
@jdogg0075
@jdogg0075 2 жыл бұрын
So government welfare is a religion then. 👌
@Greg-xs5py
@Greg-xs5py 2 жыл бұрын
@marek nitka You're right, in general one needs to consider the means to an end as well as the end result when determining the morality of a policy. Otherwise you get things like Communism. However when determining the efficacy of a policy, only the end results are an indicator.
@Greg-xs5py
@Greg-xs5py 2 жыл бұрын
@@derekisthematrix agreed
@N0die
@N0die 2 жыл бұрын
I kinda get the feeling there’s competing “religions” to extent the analogy unsure if any of these competitors are honest about the results, because they’re self interested entities
@Marthastewart209.
@Marthastewart209. 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for honest reporting! this is great
@mastersparkeeone
@mastersparkeeone 2 жыл бұрын
What an absolute crock of crap.
@TheCoon1975
@TheCoon1975 2 жыл бұрын
I have no idea if it will work to reduce overdoses but it's the right thing to do regardless of the consequences.
@prairiedweller8917
@prairiedweller8917 2 жыл бұрын
7:17 - That cop obviously overdosed on something.
@necropolistc6357
@necropolistc6357 2 жыл бұрын
yes after they all od, then yes there will be no more od's
@amylouwho8991
@amylouwho8991 2 жыл бұрын
I think the outcome Oregon is hoping for is the swift death of most addicts therefore solving the problem. As a recovering addict I have mixed feelings about making drug use legal, I see both sides of the argument. In typical US fashion we use half measures. It's not like Oregon didn't have an example to follow in Portugal. Hopefully greater minds than mine will figure out a way to help people without hurting the public.
@DeimosSaturn
@DeimosSaturn 2 жыл бұрын
Heroin isn't toxic or carcinogenic or damaging to organs and tissues. If you nod off on your back or face down in a gutter, or share dirty needles and catch Hep or HIV, armed robbery, gangs, those things are dangerous. If you know how to use heroin it's not likely to kill you. The designer drugs can kill you, ibuprofen (that is mixed with the oxys) is toxic (many people die just from taking too many tylenol), and the dirty needles can kill you. So even if use increases and rates of addiction increases, the death rate wont increase very much and politicians know this. Politicians do want us dead or to eat/rape/torture our children, but they have much more efficient means of doing that.
@trent6319
@trent6319 2 жыл бұрын
I like the honest journalism I know reason has it's ideology but this is just important news.
@EconASEAN
@EconASEAN 2 жыл бұрын
Proud that Oregon is leading the way on this.
@TheMrSeagull
@TheMrSeagull 2 жыл бұрын
While this is a good step, keeping people out of jail is good, but as long as it's illegal to produce these narcotics, the black market will continue. The greatest harm that comes from street narcotics is impurity - and black market producers have no need to worry about accountability and liability for the quality of products. This move will help this a little, as people won't fear legal repercussions for reporting a bad dealer, but they will still fear losing a supplier and will continue to tolerate dangerously poor product quality. Also, as long as the federal government is a threat to state-legal producers, banking and other finance will prove to be a challenge to legitimate businesses.
@jackiechan511
@jackiechan511 Жыл бұрын
There should be mandatory rehab for all drug users. No safe injection sites; safe supply and other measures enabling drug use
@adtastic1533
@adtastic1533 2 жыл бұрын
Worked everywhere else. And just when I thought Oregon was a complete waste of space that should be swapped out of the Union for Puerto Rico.
@jellybiscuit
@jellybiscuit 2 жыл бұрын
Oregon, coddling criminals, defects and failures like it's our job. We have broken people down into two groups. a) the people subject to ever-increasing taxes and regulations on personal freedom b) the people who cannot be expected to do anything. Support themselves, feed their children, obey any laws, etc.
@lordslygentleman
@lordslygentleman 2 жыл бұрын
Good on them! The more freedom, the more Individual responsibility,.
@lordslygentleman
@lordslygentleman 2 жыл бұрын
@antimagik corp Every failure is a step closer to success. When a reporter asked, "How did it feel to fail 1,000 times?" Thomas Edison replied, "I didn’t fail 1,000 times. The light bulb was an invention with 1,000 steps."
@azimuth361
@azimuth361 Жыл бұрын
You're assuming they want help and treatment. They don't.
@TheRoark85
@TheRoark85 2 жыл бұрын
Drugs shouldn't be legalized because it helps drug addicts... it should be legalized because it's not the government's responsibility to tell you what you should or shouldn't do.
@libertariantranslator1929
@libertariantranslator1929 2 жыл бұрын
Survival requires rights
@greymann1849
@greymann1849 2 жыл бұрын
The government has no legitimate role in preventing or enabling drug abuse. Leave the freedom to use up to the individual and leave the rehab efforts up to volunteers. Get the taxpayers out of the pointless fight.
@N0lifeismylife
@N0lifeismylife 2 жыл бұрын
Decriminalization is defintely the right move however we need to work out a way for communities to keep people from abusing drugs in them. It becomes dangerous when infected needles and fentanyl laced drugs enter a community. While criminalizing drugs is negative removing abusers from neighborhoods may be necessary.
@got2kittys
@got2kittys 2 жыл бұрын
Random doses of 100% fentanyl would really help remove abusers from neighborhoods.
@libertariantranslator1929
@libertariantranslator1929 2 жыл бұрын
Coercion begets death.
@davidpoole409
@davidpoole409 2 жыл бұрын
Full misunderstanding of what causes addiction shown in this video. Addiction is caused by loneliness. We know this now scientifically. Laws do not deter the drug use, compassion does. This is clear and obvious to anyone paying attention.
@nuclearmonster4259
@nuclearmonster4259 2 жыл бұрын
That's not always true some people have lots of friends and are still addicts.
@timothythomas1626
@timothythomas1626 2 жыл бұрын
While people who want a substance in their body should be left alone and NOT caged. No one can make people quit anything until they are ready.
@greglane3978
@greglane3978 2 жыл бұрын
The are also removing requirements for their K-12 schools to teach math, reading writing and all those other "non essential" subjects but I will bet they will push CRT in K-12 very hard. They are working hard to become the dumbest state in the country and succeeding. Hopefully all Californians fleeing California will relocate to Oregon and save all the other states this fate. Take one for the USA Oregon.
@vladtheimpala5532
@vladtheimpala5532 2 жыл бұрын
I’m an adult. I own my own body. It should be up to me what I choose to put into it. Most of the problems associated with drug use are a result of the drugs being illegal. The drug laws have caused me and a lot of other people a lot of misery. I have severe chronic pain. I can function on oxycodone. Unfortunately I can’t get it because of the nanny state. I can get heroin though. It’s tempting sometimes. Not because I want to get high but because I’m tired of being in pain.
@surrealengineering7884
@surrealengineering7884 2 жыл бұрын
Legalisation yes, but you don't get to take away millions of $ from taxpayers for it. Everyone is accountable for their own decisions, voluntary helping and funding by donations is admireble and wonderful!
@kratz57x
@kratz57x 2 жыл бұрын
The drug advocates just don't get it. Many if not most Americans can get on board with marijuana legalization, but that became the "foot in the door". The vast majority of thinking people realize any benefits gained through decriminalization will be far outweighed by the detriments to society at large.
@jaredharmer7047
@jaredharmer7047 2 жыл бұрын
Anybody who’s used drugs (and addict experts) knows that drug addiction isn’t a drug problem, it’s a problem with a society that suppresses happiness - these people are just trying to fill holes that happiness should be filling
@jaredharmer7047
@jaredharmer7047 2 жыл бұрын
@@ASchnacky that’s my point, society suppresses natural highs for most people. I love using drugs but I’m not addicted because I’m lucky enough to have lots of friends and community - I’m not filling holes I’m just having fun
@jaredharmer7047
@jaredharmer7047 2 жыл бұрын
@@ASchnacky nah just saying they aren’t getting life satisfaction, usually good relationships are enough for life satisfaction
@emmettturner9452
@emmettturner9452 2 жыл бұрын
To say that they are ignoring “lessons learned” with regards to Portugal would mean that we can show that Portugal would have been worse if they decriminalized without the two years spent on preparation. I saw no attempt to show that here. Also, “lessons learned” would usually indicate that someone did it WRONG, verifiably, and we would be better off doing it differently… not the same. At the very least, give an example of another instance where decriminalizing differently from Portugal failed. Though I am not nor have I ever been a drug user, I see decriminalization as a win for my Libertarian values and would not look this gift horse in the mouth just because Portugal did it differently. As Libertarians, we know that it is flawed logic to justify limiting freedoms because of what someone MIGHT do. We have a very simple and logical philosophy that says you should be free to do anything until it infringes on someone else’s rights to life, liberty, property, etc and can rationalize any Libertarian position from this logical thread alone. We reject the idea of limiting freedoms except where the infringe on someone else’s freedoms/rights which means we reject laws intended to prevent potential crime at the expense of non-criminal activities. No thought crimes. We deter by punishing people who have already violated others’ rights, not by manipulating before hand. We make an example out of past perpetrators who have already deprived someone of a right because to do so any earlier or discourage it would be to deprive theirs, which is a slippery slope toward authoritarianism. Even if someone might steal or murder to support their drug habit if we decriminalize before the support structure is in place, the idea that we should proactively limit freedoms to avoid this is antithetical to all of what we believe. There is no “logical line” drawn from our core principle. We already have laws against murder and theft because those deprive someone of their rights to life and property. We also understand that once it is decriminalized and destigmatized addiction support may naturally emerge similar to a free market responding to demand. If that fails to materialize then we can try to incentivize it but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. This is a win.
@samsungtelevision695
@samsungtelevision695 2 жыл бұрын
Well said. Expected more comments along these lines given the channel.
@Farhankhan_the1
@Farhankhan_the1 2 жыл бұрын
GQP failed at war on drugs.
@Crandaddy81
@Crandaddy81 2 жыл бұрын
It's a start. Ultimately, however, all drugs should be LEGAL for personal use. It's none of the government's damn business what adults choose to put into their own bodies.
@Crandaddy81
@Crandaddy81 2 жыл бұрын
@Sean T Drug addicts commit crimes to pay for their habits BECAUSE the government artificially restricts supply by making the stuff illegal. That inflates prices and makes it harder to get. Government CAUSES the problem, and they do it deliberately because problems require expensive solutions. They LITERALLY PROFIT FROM HUMAN SUFFERING!!
@Crandaddy81
@Crandaddy81 2 жыл бұрын
@Sean T Sorry it took a few days, but I think your points deserve a response. “BULLSHIT. The government is just the government." Actually, it's special interests that control the government. A Princeton study has shown that Americans have no meaningful say in our government policies - at least at the federal level. “People who do drugs were NOT FORCED INTO DOING THEM. They are the sum total of their choices. Simply choose not to do them.” Well, the fact that what people choose to put into their own bodies is their own God-given right notwithstanding, it's not always that simple. I've read (presumably true) horror stories about people who've committed suicide because government regulation wouldn't allow them to have the medication they needed to control their pain, and they simply couldn't tolerate the agony they were forced to endure. I have every reason to believe that these people exist, but you don't hear about them in the media because they don't fit the official narrative of “opioids are BAD and they will KILL you!”.
@Crandaddy81
@Crandaddy81 2 жыл бұрын
@Sean T “and drugs have other costs to society. Health problems for one. If people stopped smoking tobacco for instance, medical costs would go down some. Imagine a world where no one drank, smoked, shot up, snorted, and god knows what else. The health care community would shrink considerably.” Great! Then let's make tobacco illegal. Alcohol too, let's prohibit that again. Let's not stop there. Trans fats, refined sugar - outlawed. All “junk” food of any kind whatsoever - bye bye. And you know, there are an awful lot of dangerous recreational activities as well; people get hurt doing those all the time, putting unnecessary burden on the health care system. Skateboarding can be quite dangerous, lets get rid of that. Football too, so many worrying head injuries that those players suffer... You want me to go on? Or how about we let people just live their own damn lives so long as they're adults who are reasonably informed of the risks involved? “We could use that TAXPAYER money for housing and food etc.” You know how else we better manage tax money? Stop pouring billions into the ridiculous drug war. We waste TONS of money on manpower, training, and tools and weapons in order to keep adults from basically minding their own business and treating their own bodies how they want. "You are thinking of a responsibility that rests on the shoulders of the DRUG ADDICTS, NOT THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT." Of course if a drug addict steals, then it's the addict's fault for doing that. But the powers that (shouldn't) be understand that if you make people suffer enough (by artificially making what they need to alleviate their suffering prohibitively expensive, by restricting supply, by making it illegal), you can coerce a good number of them to turn to crime out of desperation, thereby creating a very lucrative crime problem, because it requires a considerable amount of expensive resources to combat -- resources that create jobs, and more importantly pad pockets...
@Crandaddy81
@Crandaddy81 2 жыл бұрын
@Sean T Are you daft? You do know that drugs are just another name for pharmaceutical substances, right? Tell that to your anesthesiologist the next time you need surgery. I hope he has a sturdy bit for you to chomp down on as they're cutting you open...
@AdamMotlik
@AdamMotlik 2 жыл бұрын
Taxing people who use/need cannabis to fund hard drug rehab programs... Incredibly unfair. Penalizing me for the medication that I need to fight my multiple sclerosis to fund a program for hard substances seems like a targeted attack against cannabis users. That seems unconstitutional and illegal. Why is the tax not more broadly applied?
@username65585
@username65585 2 жыл бұрын
No drug problem but there is a homeless problem. They can do drugs but not on the streets in front of businesses and in parks where kids are.
@johncampbell829
@johncampbell829 2 жыл бұрын
Most of them score dope off the kids, because dealers know they won't go to jail for distrubition if a minor is caught holding the supply that would land an adult in jail.
@auditrevor
@auditrevor Жыл бұрын
The budget they have for treatment is no where near enough. Oregon state hospital in Salem alone has an anual budget of around 140 million dollars and they only treat between 800-1200 patients at the max. 300 million over 20 years will get us absolutely no where.
@macewbee
@macewbee 2 жыл бұрын
This will be interesting to see
@Robert420somewhere
@Robert420somewhere 2 жыл бұрын
When you have a hammer everything looks like a nail. That is the "justice system "
@yannick9761
@yannick9761 2 жыл бұрын
I live in Portugal and in the 80’s over 1% of the population were addicted to Heroin. These ridiculous numbers went down to 0.01% in 2000 due to the robust rehab system built to support decriminalization.
@daciandraco6462
@daciandraco6462 2 жыл бұрын
that's the whole point: turns out that in the US they decriminalised it before dedicating the necessary time and resources to building the rehab system. Instead of dealing with the issue in its entirety, they focussed on what was easiest: lobbying to pass a law.
@tjedwards4254
@tjedwards4254 2 жыл бұрын
Libertarians continue to believe that decriminalization will stop bad behavior from happening. This will not slow overdoses, it will not slow usage. And I don't think they actually want to decrease usage tbh.
@badplus0176
@badplus0176 2 жыл бұрын
You know what also stops drug use? Capital and corporal punishment.
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