Rebooting Sonic the Hedgehog - The Follow Up

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The Artist Mark Flynn

The Artist Mark Flynn

3 жыл бұрын

#SonicTheHedgehog #SonicMovie2 #SonicReboot
Patreon: / theartistmarkflynn
A month or so after rebooting Sonic the Hedgehog in video form. I'm back to chat through some notable comments and the alleged ripping off of a Certain Bandicoot.
Sonic Intro Remix is from OC Remix's 'The Sound of Speed': OA - "A, B, C, Start!" by Halc, OA
Available from: sos.ocremix.org/
Big Credits on this video go out to WHY for both his Sonic Remixes, his channel is full of Sonic tracks among other gaming beats and can be found here: / why_theremixguy
Huge thanks for the thumbnail art.
Dupree (Tails Vector) / dupreedraws
Max Pinelli (Sonic Art) / maxpinelliart
Perp3tual (Eggman and Forest backdrop) / perp3tualmusic
Make sure you check out the twitter fan arts too! Twitter Handles are in the video!
Thanks to these additional sources for magazines and book scans:
www.segadriven.com/sonic-the-...
info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_...)
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Huge thanks to my Discord Artists:
Outer: / outertoaster
Why_ - / @why_
(Why's Sonic sprite is is an edit of the amazing sprite work done by Welber13 in his Sonic Mania mod available here:gamebanana.com/wips/48195 , apologies that you didn't get a more extensive feature here, didn't realise it was a modified sprite in a literal sense until post upload.)
ReLodean - / relodean
Fortune Cat - / 7fortune_kitty7
Pikkelssi - pikkelssi.newgrounds.com
Jet Monkey - / jetmonkeyarts
Dupree - / dupreedraws
Ravioli The Designer - / ravioli_510
Perp3tual - / perp3tualmusic
Ezno - / icant_draw
TSBlaid - / thespontaneousblaid
Hilm Aiden (the team mascot)

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@Samst0n
@Samst0n 3 жыл бұрын
Personally, I can’t wait for reboot video 3: and knuckles.
@Helicopter7
@Helicopter7 3 жыл бұрын
OK
@amesstarline5482
@amesstarline5482 3 жыл бұрын
Or better yet, Knuckles and Amy.
@PhilBo-fp9mz
@PhilBo-fp9mz 3 жыл бұрын
New funky mode
@khalibreofyourchoice7146
@khalibreofyourchoice7146 3 жыл бұрын
@@amesstarline5482 Or even better: Sonic Reboot 3Knuckles, Amy, and Shado- Mighty
@stephenquinn7931
@stephenquinn7931 3 жыл бұрын
I'm excited for reboot video cd
@troyoboyo17
@troyoboyo17 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus christ that intro was the most relatable thing I’ve ever seen
@sjahbw
@sjahbw 3 жыл бұрын
Ok
@furious_taylor7719
@furious_taylor7719 2 жыл бұрын
@@sjahbw yeah same
@StickGeezer
@StickGeezer 11 ай бұрын
Troy I love u!
@omegaproductions6660
@omegaproductions6660 10 ай бұрын
Hey Troy.
@soterstheivering
@soterstheivering 3 жыл бұрын
Disagree or not with the idea, you cannot lie that the design for Sonic looks badass. Like damn, how can you not look at him and go “I wanna play as that”?
@imjustgr8
@imjustgr8 2 жыл бұрын
frr, i'm actually kinda diggin it surprisingly i also love the lil detail that tails's scarf is based off his rhythm badge from sa 1
@skyty0
@skyty0 3 жыл бұрын
"45k views" Bro that's honestly such a shame, that vid is so well done and deserves SO MUCH more attention.
@arsenal4444
@arsenal4444 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah this one too. Really enjoyed both and wish there were more to watch.
@ArtistMarkFlynn
@ArtistMarkFlynn 3 жыл бұрын
@@arsenal4444 Thanks guys, it's just the way it is! Glad you both enjoyed regardless :D
@greensoda123
@greensoda123 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly your Sonic AU idea was pretty cool even thought of some ideas that could work for example what if some of Sonics other friends like the Chaotix who didn't start out as antagonists started out as well antagonists maybe Robotnik used some mind device to make his creations work for him.
@jackofallclaws6672
@jackofallclaws6672 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I thought your reboot video was awesome and I’m kinda sad that you’ll never do something like it again...but hey, you’re the boss.
@Gat720Dua
@Gat720Dua 2 жыл бұрын
I also just want to add that, whether intentional or not, Crash's origin story and Cortex's plan to make an army of mutant animals is just The Island of Dr. Moreau.
@FormalFilmsProductions
@FormalFilmsProductions 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed the origin story. I think it could work. You’ve actually inspired me to develop my own Sonic series
@rhettsopolisrabbit7634
@rhettsopolisrabbit7634 3 жыл бұрын
It’s funny I saw that video yesterday. Honestly I personally enjoy it because it was what a reboot should logically be. Taking base concept and making it free again. Because that’s the sad reality of games with too much iconography. And in Sonics case it should have been like it’s competitor Mario focusing less on canon and more on standalone adventures that you can pick up and play. So this really did get me excited despite not being a fan for years. Even more so I do believe that fans should take a step back and re evaluate what they love. Remember none of these games we love were multimillion franchises going on 30, they were built up from nothing but the personal themes of the creators. And I do feel you really did go back to what developer Yuji Naka wanted for the series with conflict between cool eco warrior and mad scientist. The only real comment I want to give is your ending. The sad reality that people need to understand is that often times you only have one chance. Let’s say saga did buy this concept from you and built a game engine and announced it, economically you have to see if this game breaks even and get returns. So the ending was smart, throw away the egg trainers and let the ending sit with the player. And if it’s successful you can have the tails sequel. But it’s as you said, you have to be concise and that already made me excited. Disappointed that Boom didn’t work out this way. Good luck with more videos, introduced through the Ganon video. And just hope there is always more to talk about.
@ArtistMarkFlynn
@ArtistMarkFlynn 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cheers for sticking around since Ganon! You've honestly hit the nail on the head for me.. Running free with the original concept is always such a cool thing to do with any IP, let alone one with a history like Sonic!
@rhettsopolisrabbit7634
@rhettsopolisrabbit7634 3 жыл бұрын
@@ArtistMarkFlynn hell yeah to that! It can be very exciting since there are no bad ideas in any series. Robot duplicates, evil doppelgängers, ancient prophecies and new industries, it’s all under the lens of your title character. Like crash was mentioned a few times, sonic and crash had time travel in their continuity and both approached the game differently from both narrative and gameplay. So under your premise if familiar concepts show up it won’t be the same because it’s what this Sonic is seeing and not classic/modern/boom. Re-explore, see why these old stories were special and show others why they were. That is the path of all writers. And I do plan on sticking around, always happy to see genuine creative vision and not just click bait.
@Stephen-Fox
@Stephen-Fox 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely on your last paragraph - Let stories be standalone, let them have definitive endings. Not everything needs sequel bait, and often sequel bait hurts the work as an individual piece of media.
@ArtistMarkFlynn
@ArtistMarkFlynn 3 жыл бұрын
Hey all! Sorry for the delay on this... I recorded an unscripted version a few days after releasing the reboot video... Didn't like it... Then decided to make the full video again (joy). I really wanted to follow up the initial video before putting this project to rest and address some of the comments that jumped out to me in particular. I'll be moving onto a few new games and topics after this, as well as returning to the character design series after a long break... Keep your eyes peeeled! Big Credits on this video go out to WHY for both his Sonic Remixes, his channel is full of Sonic tracks among other gaming beats and can be found here: kzfaq.info_TheRemixGuy Huge thanks for the thumbnail art. Dupree (Tails Vector) twitter.com/dupreedraws Max Pinelli (Sonic Art) twitter.com/maxpinelliart Perp3tual (Eggman and Forest backdrop) twitter.com/Perp3tualMusic Additional artwork in the video also by Ezno twitter.com/icant_draw and FortuneKitty instagram.com/7fortune_kitty7 Make sure you check out the twitter fan arts too! Twitter Handles are in the video!
@sjahbw
@sjahbw 3 жыл бұрын
WHOOOOAAAA!
@speedthehedgehog4967
@speedthehedgehog4967 3 жыл бұрын
I personally liked the shoes of this reboot so I got VERY inspired for my Sonic's shoes.
@Helicopter7
@Helicopter7 3 жыл бұрын
O
@caiomansooglorious
@caiomansooglorious 4 ай бұрын
I like to think Eggman lost the access to Shadow after his grandfather died, and in an etempt to recreate him, Eggman created Sonic
@AutoJohnny
@AutoJohnny 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your response, I just really like your worldbuilding and concepts you brought up. I just wanted to see more of this world you created which I know it's kind of selfish, and if you don't wish to do more with this concept I'm cool with that. I just think it's really cool and unique especially for the blue blur! :)
@Why_
@Why_ 3 жыл бұрын
ayo was not expecting you to use my remixes lol absolutely amazing :D
@ArtistMarkFlynn
@ArtistMarkFlynn 3 жыл бұрын
The finest remixes in town!
@Poker2735
@Poker2735 3 жыл бұрын
4:49 all those Easter eggs with the red echidna, or a black hedgehog!
@ArtistMarkFlynn
@ArtistMarkFlynn 3 жыл бұрын
My brain has never even registered most of these looking at it 😂
@TheFilmist
@TheFilmist 2 жыл бұрын
Only thing I'd change from your original pitch is not to have Eggman be the source of Sonic's speed - rather, Eggman captures him and wants to use him as a test subject because of his speed. I'd also keep at least some of the animals anthro, maybe have them be a separate, older society that lives in the forests that people overlook or ostracize. Then you've got room to build toward stuff like Angel Island, the Emeralds, and so on. Other than that, it's great stuff! Wonderful work to you and your cohorts.
@skyty0
@skyty0 3 жыл бұрын
Don't have much to add, but I wanna say that I really appreciate the fact that you wanted to make a complete story without teasing a sequel. I feel like too much of modern media is prewritten with plot holes in order leave room for sequels (read: more cash), to the point that finding complete stories in ANYTHING is super rare these days. Not that there's anything wrong with that from a purely artistic viewpoint, but I feel like it often cheapens the theme of a story if it's not handled correctly, which it rarely is.
@KAIJUSTIAN
@KAIJUSTIAN 2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget to the another animals: 1. 2 hedgehogs (become to Amy Rose and Shadow) 2. An echidna (become to Knuckles) 3. An hawk (become to Jet) 4. An lemur (become to Tangle) 5. An flying squirrel (become to Ray) 6. An armadillo (become to Mighty) 7. An bobcat (Become to Big) 8. An crocodile (Become to Vector).
@sezunemizuhana3870
@sezunemizuhana3870 2 жыл бұрын
a chipmunk/squirrel (becomes Sally) a rabbit (becomes Bunnie) a walrus (becomes Rotor) a coyote (becomes Antoine)
@KAIJUSTIAN
@KAIJUSTIAN 2 жыл бұрын
@@sezunemizuhana3870 Nope.... This characters like Sally Acorn, Bunnie Rabbit and Rotor the walrus can't apperer in the Five Sonic spirit games because is gone to the wasteland of SEGA. Only Antonie the coyote is appere in the Sonic Spirit the Lost Jewel game and the shorts animated of Sonic Spirit like the director of the School of Maria The Hedgehog.
@superdalen7140
@superdalen7140 Жыл бұрын
I hope charmy and epsio appear
@mauricehull1138
@mauricehull1138 Ай бұрын
@@KAIJUSTIAN What about tangle then? She's part of archie and freedom fighters are too.
@Bandinthesky
@Bandinthesky 3 жыл бұрын
The real question is, will you make a sequel video?
@paulwebb2078
@paulwebb2078 3 жыл бұрын
Sequel video is on my channel
@smaximationsmotions
@smaximationsmotions 2 жыл бұрын
I'd honestly be interested in seeing how you'd integrate characters Knuckles, Amy, Mighty, Ray, The Chaotix, Possibly the Hooligans too. I'm just really hooked on this Reboot world!!
@chezi3491
@chezi3491 3 жыл бұрын
I really liked the first video and actually gave my ideas on how a potential sequel would work there. I actually also had the idea of Tails being a creation of Eggman and making new shoes for Sonic
@WolforNuva
@WolforNuva 3 жыл бұрын
If Shadow can die at the end of SA2 and come back after his chapter closed, Sonic getting a new pair of shoes isn't that unrealistic.
@zachnewby4739
@zachnewby4739 3 жыл бұрын
I really liked the reboot video, I thought it was pretty good, and I easily came with a sequel idea myself. I thought it was great. And since watching that I've toyed around with my own reboot ideas. Although since my first Sonic game was Sonic Colors. it was more inspired by the modern games.
@3bay
@3bay 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect as a spin-off, Idk bout yall but spin offs like this Or riders are what give the series that bump
@mixiekins
@mixiekins 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, phew. Saying you don't want to do something as lengthy again worried me, but I'm incredibly relieved to hear you'll keep at it with lots of bite-sized ones. I'm genuinely enjoying this series of fresh takes, and am curious what you might come up with for other fictional properties. Reinventing while going back to the roots for a series can result in fantastic bursts of creativity, which is something you clearly appreciated about the new Rayman. It worked fantastically for Breath of the Wild, too. Just as you say, it can flop sometimes, like you example of Devil May Cry. Very valid points. In this particular case, with the Sonic property, it seems to keep coming back to the unique connection with the fan base, which is both a strength and a hindrance. Just like the movie, Mania, and so forth, some awesome stuff can come from the public, so I for one encourage it. Sure, there's going to be some qq here and there, but so long as your work results in some smiles and happiness, there's some true worth there. Thanks for all your hard work, please keep it up!
@ArtistMarkFlynn
@ArtistMarkFlynn 3 жыл бұрын
I'll still be making content, but just general video essays about lots of different topics and my usual character design stuff! The reboot ended up taking almost my time up for a year and I gotta do some other stuff now for my brains sake lol
@mikecraftbro
@mikecraftbro 3 жыл бұрын
Omg I saw this 3minutes after it uploaded this is the quickest I’ve seen a video
@Jo42O64
@Jo42O64 3 жыл бұрын
So happy to be early! Love your content and your ideas and you present them in a way that's easy to digest but also informational ♥️
@666blaziken
@666blaziken 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic follow up! I'd love to see a design evolution of shulk :)
@pyroonbusinesschannel118
@pyroonbusinesschannel118 2 жыл бұрын
i can imagine knuckles in the second spirit game, trying to beat sonic, making sonic get the shoes back where he once left them, as eggman had an idea to fight fire with fire, while also creating another eggman shoes (that knuckles wears), and try to beat sonic in at least after 5 or 6 zones, after sonic makes knuckles realize that eggman was destroying his home he once knew, he decides to team up with sonic!, would be cool ngl
@moomoomang
@moomoomang 3 жыл бұрын
Isn't this video just a response to youtube comments? It should have been a spin off, not a main channel video :P Great stuff man. The original video is great
@B3TH.102
@B3TH.102 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I love this idea and wish I thought of it but glad it exists. Can u "reboot" a few other classics? That would be amazing though u don't have to.
@ArtistMarkFlynn
@ArtistMarkFlynn 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to do the whole thing again for Zelda, this genuinely stopped me from any other videos for a year though so not sure if I want to end up doing a similar project again as it stands lol
@shonenbois
@shonenbois 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the original video was really good. And this one adds on to why the idea sounds really interesting
@Chibiknux
@Chibiknux 3 жыл бұрын
Been a Sonic fan for more than 20 years. After watching these videos im heavily tempted into making my own interpretation of a reboot/reimagining of Sonic. I bet i can do the opposite of Mark's interpretation and keep as much as the source material (at least from the mainline games up until SA2/Heroes) while still making more sense than the actual canon. I've thinking this shit for years
@kaexewires7531
@kaexewires7531 3 жыл бұрын
not disappointed on being subbed! love your content :)
@Sklumbo
@Sklumbo 3 жыл бұрын
These videos where amazing, love the ideas you brought to the table and I'm definitely gonna sub! Looking forward to any content you put out!
@e.l.wallace9060
@e.l.wallace9060 2 жыл бұрын
I LOVE THESE REBOOT IDEAS!!!Take a sub!
@Lightskinchief6823
@Lightskinchief6823 Жыл бұрын
I love the fact I commented about a reboot and now I have found the 2nd vid in the same video
@natoriousthehopeful2786
@natoriousthehopeful2786 3 жыл бұрын
I know it won't happen, but I would love to see you build on this reboot video idea a little further; there seems to be so much potential here
@superpiktwo5933
@superpiktwo5933 3 жыл бұрын
I loved your first video, but I think I gotta clarify a few points you debated in this one (with respect). For the reboot part: As I mentioned in a comment before, people want this to be more of a spin-off due to it changing what they like about the franchise. I'm sure Boom would have been trashed to the ground even with great games if Sega made it the main focus of the franchise. Like I mentioned before, the thing about Sonic is that it's so broad everyone has a favorite one. Whether it be 2D (fan-games, classic era and Mania), 3D (Adventure and Boost) or other. So, for many, getting away with other gameplay styles would be jarring. Story/Sequels As for the sequel part, you made a great point for a sequel. However, I think what shocked people the most is that it didn't acknowledge many stuff from the post-classic era. As I said before, Sonic has transcended the original "nature vs technology" themes and many people like that more. It relates to my point about change and not wanting things to suddenly change. Crash comparisons: Yeah, no. It's similar, but it's not the same. Hope you see this and reply because I really would wanna read your insight. Keep up with the great work!!
@miltonmcgee6049
@miltonmcgee6049 6 ай бұрын
One little thing that I’ll think will be neat is tails being a cyborg named t.a.i.l.s. An acronym for something idk and was created by egg man in his early stages of turning animals into robots thing
@TheSameGoobyGuy
@TheSameGoobyGuy 2 жыл бұрын
Damn, eggman’s new design looks like his in sonic 2 with the glasses, In the first game they were blue, but in sonic 2 they were black
@cookiemaster8794
@cookiemaster8794 3 жыл бұрын
great job cant wait
@logosimian
@logosimian Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: when the Crash Bandicoot game was first designed, the designers called it "Sonic's Ass" because the question they aimed to answer is what a 3D character platformer would look like and the first answer they thought of was "You'd spend a lot of time staring at Sonic's ass."
@bigdk4702
@bigdk4702 3 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for this
@Plasmariel
@Plasmariel 3 жыл бұрын
That's very interesting! And just to expand upon your idea, I have several points that fascinate me. Specifically, what kind of music could the reboot feature? I'm curious to see if Sonic's "power-ups" will remain the same including his super forms.
@soniciguess9114
@soniciguess9114 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome Reboots!
@Riannalynn123
@Riannalynn123 3 жыл бұрын
Even if this couldnt be an idea taken by sega this should totally be a real fan made game I really like this concept and it would be awesome to see
@levlev4048
@levlev4048 3 жыл бұрын
Man your vids are AMAZING
@ArtistMarkFlynn
@ArtistMarkFlynn 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@balancebeta
@balancebeta 3 жыл бұрын
Another great vid Marky boy!
@dewaynecook4589
@dewaynecook4589 11 ай бұрын
Here's what I would call the levels of Sonic Spirit. 1. Plantation Paradise 2. Blackgold Beach 3. Mountaintop Mines 4. Sunny-Side Streets 5. Scrambled Storeroom 6. Ovoid Offices 7. Final Fallback (Where Sonic and Eggman go through the levels again) Also, I would call the hypothetical sequel "Sonic Soul"
@nicholasnwagbara1333
@nicholasnwagbara1333 2 жыл бұрын
I like the idea, but I wouldn’t want it to replace what we have now.
@matttale7918
@matttale7918 Жыл бұрын
While there are still some aspects of the original video I disagree with, this follow up has changed my mind on some of my knee jerk reactions to that ending. Honestly, while I would love to see another video about Sonic 2, I also understand if that’s a large undertaking.
@gamemanadvance1128
@gamemanadvance1128 2 жыл бұрын
I would love a rough sketch of a sequel. Orrrrr maybe a different series! Maybe like Star fox or something like that! Btw Great job!! 👏
@ArtistMarkFlynn
@ArtistMarkFlynn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the idea! Personally if I was EEEEVER to do something like this again... It'd probably be for Zelda, but to be honest I can't see it happening any time soon lol (or ever) that end screen wasn't a lie!
@mrduran319
@mrduran319 Жыл бұрын
I really like how you desingned Sonic, Tails, Metal Sonic, n Eggman, they look very cool n modern, n about the gameplay, sounds really interesting cause it could be something more platform but with speed moments XD, but yeah i like how u maded a story for this reboot n how this concept reminds me of Rayman n Super Mario, n that's all i have to say
@Shonin23
@Shonin23 Жыл бұрын
I could TRY to put a team together to turn this into an actual fan game but idk really where to start. The only thing I know is that I love this concept and I really want to see it in a playable form
@knotholehub
@knotholehub 3 жыл бұрын
I love this video. Hey, The Artist Mark Flynn what made you do a sequel video.
@somebaker2613
@somebaker2613 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@inthemist9dtm742
@inthemist9dtm742 2 жыл бұрын
I love your reboot concept. I can't think of anything I would change even if I try. I really wanna play this so could you try to make it an official playable game? Except will sonic have green or black eyes?
@MLPPixel727
@MLPPixel727 2 жыл бұрын
Your concepts here do remind me of the classic days, especially the SatAM-based Archie comics!
@KidAL0
@KidAL0 3 жыл бұрын
Isn’t Tails here just Coco Bandicoot’s retroactive origin
@ArtistMarkFlynn
@ArtistMarkFlynn 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing
@williamruiz5965
@williamruiz5965 3 жыл бұрын
Hi everyone! Hope you all have a great day!
@fede_233
@fede_233 2 жыл бұрын
hey! i'm a bit late to this and sadly might've missed the feedback train-- but i'd still love to throw in my two cents. i missed my chance with the first "dear sega" video where the toxicity closed the video down and damn it i won't let it happen again. really long post incoming, i'm sorry about that. but just like how you were inspired, so was i! this isn't necessarily the direction i would take the series in, but i can appreciate the love and thought that was put into it regardless and it would be something i would love to play so i could see where that passion leads the game to feel and play like. i'm with you that the setting and overall structure of the story is still very much reminiscent of what makes sonic, sonic (as opposed to the original "dear sega,"). sonic will still look and act cocky, he'll still be a freedom fighter with a tint (not much of a tint this time) of an ecological message, and he'll still be fighting against eggman. that's all you really need. my main points are in two different areas: 1) the story, or rather; the ending. 2) the gameplay, which i know wasn't your focus starting with the story, i would still tentatively say that the outline of the narrative does lend itself to "writing yourself into a hole." it's not that bad, and you show how a sequel can fit in after-- and i agree completely with self-contained stories being something that is sorely lacking these days, that MCU screenshot paired in the video gave me a feeling of dread lmao-- but i would say that it has a sense of finality that it doesn't need to have, while still never implying anything beyond its scope, and being perfectly capable of existing on its own. i think a really important component of this reboot is that it needs to be contextualized into sonic's history. it would come in after 30 years of history in his franchise, with an established identity and fanbase. maybe this is the point of separation between our perspectives-- but even a complete reboot back to the story's roots would need, in my opinion, a certain note of celebration about the history, and invigoration for the future. something like "and here's to 30 more years!" you know? it doesn't really need to be explicit, and i don't think most of the game goes against this message. but the ending, specifically the "sonic takes off his shoes, walks off, and we see a timeskip in which eggman's empire has fallen and been reclaimed by nature," bit has a sense of finality that you might've not intended when it's put into that context. it reads to me that the message SEGA would send in an universe where this game comes out would be "it's been 30 years, and it's finally over." i agree that it's within sonic's character to just relax and laze off if he's not called to action. the image of sonic OVA comes to mind, in which he refuses to help tails out at the beginning of the movie because he's just trying to sleep, or the imagery you picked of sonic sleeping in adventure 1. but i think the concept of sonic taking his shoes off and walking off strikes a really strong chord that hasn't been played with before, and one i'm not sure would be the right one to playin this context. it's a perfectly fine ending in the self-contained narrative of the small story of one game-- and i understand that you want to keep it as The One Game, no strings attached-- but this One Game already exists within a franchise that's being rebooted. the ending also fits into a meta narrative; and reads as the chapter being closed for Sonic, as a whole. him taking off the shoes is some really, /really/ striking imagery that's never been done before (to my knowledge) in any capacity outside niche comic stories. they're the defining feature of his character. were a sequel to come out (it doesn't have to,) tails making him new shoes would actually cheapen that moment. why get rid of them, only to give them back the moment we start back up? there could be a message there, that sonic isn't just "eggman's creation" anymore, and he's not alone anymore either. his new friend tails gives him the new (metaphorical and literal) shoes to stand on-- which hooks into another important part of sonic again-- but we don't really need for him to take off the original shoes at the end of the first game to carry that message across. they could easily break in the second one or something and that'd still fit perfectly well. and a sequel is outside of the scope of the original video, so it wasn't ever a real setup for that sort of message, either. i dunno. it feels like it's imagery that, even unknowingly or unintentionally, sends a really deep message that'll either be wasted or go against the point of what a 30th anniversary reboot should do. if i were to suggest an alternative way to handle this: let's reintroduce one more concept from sonic into the mix. a chaos emerald. not the chaos emeralds, just /a/ chaos emerald. this emerald could be the source of eggman's industrial might. it would be what is eventually distilled into whatever substance gave sonic his powers, and it would be what metal sonic harnesses to match and surpass sonic as well. in the final showdown, metal's victory is due to the fact that eggman's directly equipped him with the emerald-- finally perfecting his design. at the end of the fight, metal's about to kill sonic but gives him the emerald instead (or maybe sonic simply picks it up after metal's killed, whichever works best,) which will then explain the "burst of energy" he gets when he eventually beats all of eggman's metal sonic designs and whatnot. the ending sequence is then replaced from sonic taking his shoes off and walking off, to him running off into the forest, littered with industrial waste and rubble from the battle. the emerald, combined with sonic's power, (and maybe this can be an interesting concept for the battle as well) leaves a trail of energy that heals the greenery and foliage around the wreckage where sonic runs. we can now keep the timeskip and metal sonic memorial: there's an interesting implication that sonic healed his home, and we can see him sleeping nearby; keeping the character trait of him relaxing when he's not needed. the second point is thankfully a lot shorter than this-- i already wrote a massive wall-- and is a smaller critique of how i feel like you overlooked far too much about how the game would play. i understand that you're more of a writer than a game designer; but part of the appeal of sonic and games as a whole is how gameplay fits into narrative and can define a character's and franchise's identity. i understand games like rayman and ori are clearly ones you hold very close to you and inspire a lot of your choices for sonic spirit, but the fact that all you can point to is that it's a lot easier said than done to get the gameplay of this right, and a rough outline of the games you like and would like the game to feel close to, really undermines the entire concept. i think it's a shame, because it's obviously the weakest link in the entire video and can tie into the "you just want to make crash/rayman/ori again but with sonic slapped on it" arguments really easily, even if i think they're unwarranted. sonic's gameplay-- whether the momentum based 2d, the adventure or boost 3d, or even the "bad game" fame he's got-- is intrinsically tied to his identity as both a series and an icon. when pitching a reboot idea, i think the most important part is to really nail down what sonic will feel like to control, and how the game will play; and i feel like "it's kinda like ori but faster" is simply not enough, and will make people feel like too much of sonic is being lost in the reboot. i actually personally think that a world like this would actually really benefit from an expansive 3d world. i know it's a meme to make BOTW in every franchise these days, but this world does feel like it'd be really enjoyable to explore in a format like that. it'd really sell the theme of "freedom" sonic's got going on, a tight control scheme could allow for some platforming that hasn't really been pulled off before in a sonic game (which would sell the "new identity" and freshness of a reboot,) and the scale of an open world like that can pair really nicely with sonic's speed for the segments in which we don't want to slow him down with platforming and whatnot. maybe the "slow down" sections can actually be vistas we see as we move from area to area-- the breaks between the more active platforming and combat segments. it would always visually reinforce eggman's presence as well-- his industrial landscape becoming denser and more polluted the closer to the middle we go-- with the city being at the heart of his empire, a large skyscraper acting as the final base where he lives. i understand you're not interested in doing something like this again, so maybe the feedback will ring a little empty. but i thoroughly enjoyed sleeping on and thinking about sonic spirit to write this up. i hope you're doing well, and wish you luck with any future endeavors you take up on :)
@ArtistMarkFlynn
@ArtistMarkFlynn 2 жыл бұрын
Lovely comment. Thanks for taking the time to watch and and think about writing something so concise. I can see a lot of what you mean with the ending and those emerald ideas are incredible! I hear you on the gameplay, I think it's the weakest part of the video easily. In hindsight I wish that section wasn't here but ultimately every time I play rayman and ori I think. "damn, I wish sonic was like this." and it was one of the things that drove me to think about the idea in the first place!
@veil_01
@veil_01 8 ай бұрын
I loved the idea but I feel like Sonic always going fast was a detail that needed to stay. But it's your video so there's nothing stopping you
@HellboyBr11
@HellboyBr11 3 жыл бұрын
3:00 beautiful designs
@Ninjago-News
@Ninjago-News 3 жыл бұрын
Do you want this game concept have hand drawned backgrounds and sprits.
@golden_red_bear
@golden_red_bear 4 ай бұрын
I love the story and its absolutely beautiful this feels like an alternative universe for sonic since there's sonic boom which is basically an alternative universe for sonic which i believe this should be an alternative universe for sonic Btw sorry im not good at communicating and typing and explaining
@TheUnknownGruntProductions
@TheUnknownGruntProductions 3 жыл бұрын
I wish you would've addressed the gameplay criticisms me and many others have. I loved the video, as well as your other videos, but I do not think Sonic should have a run button. It ruins the entire point of Sonic, as it makes momentum which all the 2d games focused on, and makes it an instantaneous ability, which isn't even necessarily how the boost games handled it, because in those boost could run out and in some scenarios it would endanger you if you spammed it. However the story concept worked a lot in my opinion, and I was glad to hear you came up with a sequel, because I did not want it to end that quickly. Overall good video, but I wished you would've addressed the gameplay criticisms more.
@ArtistMarkFlynn
@ArtistMarkFlynn 3 жыл бұрын
Can't go into everything in deep detail my dude I'm afraid. Like I said in the pinned comment already I ended up recording and edited this twice! It takes a lotta time lol Fair enough if you don't think it should have a run button. I do! Rayman has such a good feeling of momentum and I get real good instant gratification being able to speed up instantly. Regardless I do think gameplay was the weakest part of that video. I am not a game dev and am just chatting shit basically.
@JamieTheBear
@JamieTheBear 2 жыл бұрын
I LOVES THIS CONTINUE THIS SONIC CONSPET (if you want)
@yuzuichikawa
@yuzuichikawa 3 жыл бұрын
Ok rather I agree with your points or not spoiler I actually did like a few of them oddly enough. ( As I'm a huge fan of the adventure games and wish they kept THAT kind of gameplay and storytelling ) but your ideas weren't bad at all. So I'mma say this, don't let people who can't see another opinion as just that and stop making these kinds of videos. I'd love to hear more ideas. Even if I don't like them or do.. the point of them is to hear them out and have a adult like chat about em. Not be babies and cry about different opinions.. so I say bring them on dude. Also you gained a sub cause I liked the vids. DON'T JUDGE ME MARK! You have no soul :O
@rubyfirenight
@rubyfirenight Жыл бұрын
I loved the mystic ruins and Knuckles somewhat mysterious origin and angle islands in the original games. Where is his tribe? And what happened to them? Knuckles connection to the chaos and master emeralds. Which contain chaos energy, the essence of life and nature, a rare connection to the earth, of purest energy. Adding on from that: If you would want to introduce Shadow and Silver, I have an idea. Let me explain. I’d suggest a competitor company, who are somewhat following in Robotnik’s footstep and using his tech that has been left behind to create them. Think of Biosyn from the latest Jurassic World movie. This alternate company could be using similar formulas to Robotnik yet not the same, hence the different power sets. I think Shadows power set should tightened and given less, as he is pretty OP. And when project Shadow was being experimented with a mystic jewel that is jam packed full of chaos energy. (Yes, it is a chaos emerald) Think of the tesseract in the MCU, it is similar. This is where Maria Robotnik can be introduced, a young, low-level genetic scientist who is on project Shadow. She never really agreed with her cousin’s way of doing things, openly despising it, and really enjoyed nature, hiking and camping, yet being practically powerless to do much as she does not have them same power as him. She is the only one to show some sympathy and kindness towards Shadow, having that bond, and soon to be motivation from his original début. Maria then overhears the other higher-level scientists in charge of Project Shadow that he is going to be exterminated, as he has become non-compliant. She breaks him out and they sneak around for a bit before the alarms go off and they start being chased, eventually Maria gets shot, and asks Shadow to leave her behind, giving him her message to protect the earth, nature and others around him, then forces him to leave by closing a large security door. Loosely reflecting the thrown into space thing on the Ark. As Shadow leaves , he finds Silver, strapped to a machine with wires attached to he head. He undoes Silver, who’s quite skittish and mentally drowned, and guards get closer. He grabs Silver and runs into the forest, which is where they can meet Sonic, or have a small tutorial level on how to use there characters, more on that later. Shadow becomes vehemently protective of Silver, whose again, quite skittish, afraid of himself and has no idea where he is or who Shadow, his supposed rescuer, is. To back for Silver, he is the experiment of mental stimulation, pushing the brain as far as it can. He's constantly hooked up to monitors and wires. Being isolated from the outside world, and been kept away from everything else in the labs, he practically scared of everything. I don’t really have much to add since not a lot is really known about silver in the OG canon. He never really had an origin. They could meet sonic and become, somewhat pseudo-brothers. I've always enjoyed the idea that they are brothers, found family. This gives them complex yet simple backstories at somewhat comply to the og canon. Of course, all of the this can be explain in several mini cut scenes, or on 2-3 min large one, and all without words, as the games follow. As for gameplay mechanics, abilities and other stuff. Shadow should be downplayed to, teleportation, chaos spear and chaos blast. (I'm going to use PlayStation controls because I'm a PlayStation girl.) X, jump obviously, Square, Chaos spear, Square hold, chaos blast. 5 secs to charge and then it explodes, and 45 secs before use it again. Circle, teleportation. 15 secs between each one. Triangle, switch character. Silvers powers, both telekinesis and telepathy. (Mental attacks) x, still jump, double tap, floating, (with own telekinesis) square, telekinesis , hold and joystick for moving objects. Circle, telepathy/mental attacks. Triangle switch characters. This gives the players a chance to find a playstyle they like and give them some experimentation. When Shadow is introduced, it can be from his perspective, and we play him whilst running away from the company. And the tutorial level can switch the characters, like some of the og Spyro and Cinder games. Shadow could be a bit hesitant to face Dr. Robotnik as he is probably one of the only living relative to Maria, but the love of his new found family and her message helps him defeat him. Shadow would be protective and this complex character that is a soft marshmallow on the inside, whilst Silver is skittish and afraid, but can be determined when he needs to be. Thank you listening to my rant, I hoped you enjoyed it.
@MLPPixel727
@MLPPixel727 2 жыл бұрын
You shared excellent feedback.
@VirtuaMaster
@VirtuaMaster 2 жыл бұрын
Dr Robotnik's robot hand is backwards. That's it. Great video! Ok well that's not it. Even though you said it wasn't a pitch, I think it would do well if it were turned into an actual game, like as a fan game or something. I would definitely play that!
@LinkenMcIntosh
@LinkenMcIntosh Жыл бұрын
Honestly, speaking of Crash bandicoot. I could totally see something similar done in your reboot that was done with Cortex and Coco, whether it’s done with Tails or Knuckles it would be interesting to see Eggman go out of his way to directly make another genetically modified animal to compete with sonic but only for it to backfire… again… Although people complained about the “similarities” imagine what they would do with something that was somewhat directly inspired…
@nintenvlogz
@nintenvlogz 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Keep it up :D
@YTOH_RANGE
@YTOH_RANGE 9 ай бұрын
I think it would be funny if you added a un-mutated bandicoot as a cameo or as a gag
@TacomasterStudios
@TacomasterStudios 3 ай бұрын
I definitely see the resemblance between your reboot and Crash Bandicoot. However, I think Sonic and Crash are quite similar, even outside the reboot. Get this. A cartoony action platform game series that takes place on an island, at least early on. Our protagonist is a totally cool anthropomorphic animal, normally mute during gameplay, who defeats enemies by either jumping on them or some sort of spin technique, and gets gifts by smashing open boxes found on the ground. His best friend is a youthful genius mechanic, and his friendly rival is a tough guy that started out as an enemy before becoming an ally. His girlfriend is associated with the color pink, and started out as a damsel in distress before becoming a more fleshed out and proactive character. His arch nemesis is a mad scientist that experiments on non-anthropomorphic animals, turning them into his own minions. Which series am I talking about? And more importantly, who copied who here?
@Gamingdude1618
@Gamingdude1618 2 жыл бұрын
awesome 🤩👍⭐️👏😎👌💙💛❤️🪄⭐️⭐️⭐️
@fathirboientertainment7362
@fathirboientertainment7362 2 жыл бұрын
5:51 what is this comic? i can't find it anywhere on youtube
@user-fz9vf3qy6j
@user-fz9vf3qy6j 3 жыл бұрын
Coming from someone that really liked your concept and found originality in many aspects of it, with all respect, even with your elaboration, I still think it's too similiar to Crash, even the western version of Sonic's world (which you claim to have to got your inspirations from) had anthropomorphic animals as part of the world and not a creation of Robotnik, which not only it made it more distinguishable but it makes introducing other characters more easier as the series would go gon, this setting instead makes all the anthros experiments from Eggman/Robotnik which makes it a lot more Crash-like, I am very surprised you didn't take more inspiration from Dragon Ball instead since it was the source of inspiration for a lot of concept of the first half of the series (up to 2006, really, Trunks was references in guides by SEGA in relation to Silver The Hedgehog) and go for anthros living along with humans idea, which is less seen and fleshed out (even the Sonic canon) than the lab experiments one.
@widerekxxanimations6842
@widerekxxanimations6842 3 жыл бұрын
Tbh i don't think sonic needs a reboot, a soft reboot would be better in my opinion, but this reboot wouldn't be as bad as sonic boom tbh
@Ninjago-News
@Ninjago-News 3 жыл бұрын
I give thus reboot 9.2 out of 10.
@binarybyto
@binarybyto 3 жыл бұрын
There is another point and I think this will happen if Sonic Team will decide to do a reboot: all previous events will be ereased and new story will be made, sadly not this magnitude as your concept I fear. Aaaand everyone, who talking about a reboot, are expressing a desire to have a next classic or Sonic Adventure like game. Will be a great catch from the movie if writers will decide to continue their story in the game, THIS is a good start for a reboot I think.
@Stephen-Fox
@Stephen-Fox 3 жыл бұрын
I think I read that Sonic comic. Picked it up at a scholastic school fair, I think? (I believe it's a pretty faithful adaptation of the origin story in the US Sonic Bible, to boot?). I forget if I mentioned in my comment to your original video, but while I prefer sonic to be deliberately goofy rather overly serious, I could see that serious take on the franchise working, unlike... What often happens when they deliberately try and make Sonic serious where they accidentally make the whole thing impossible to take seriously. I mean, I love that in the right dose - Shadow the Edgelord is perfect - but not for the reasons they're going for when they try and go that route. One thing that your need to define what a reboot is caused me to realize... Video games seem to like to make a sequel, use the original name of a property, and call it a reboot. As illustrated by your using Dad of War footage. Which is a sequel to God of War 3 in terms of the story it's telling. Even Doom 2016 falls into that niche - It can only exist as a sequel to the original, maybe the original two. The Doomslayer is not only already familiar with demons, but demons already fear him. Doom 3 was more of a Doom reboot than Doom 2016. No wonder people in your comments were thinking Sonic 06 is a reboot rather than a sequel that helpfully takes place in it's own little timewarp and erases itself from continuity so we can pretend it never happened (except, sadly, for Blaze and how it ties in with Sonic Rush)
@ArtistMarkFlynn
@ArtistMarkFlynn 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting note in that when I originally wanted to make this I thought about making it a sequel to the sonic series in general in the same way breath of the wild continued on from and referenced multiple zelda games. I wanted to include little monuments to old sonic elements throughout the forest such as ancient sonic check point poles, giant rings, ancient relics etc.. Which would teach sonic abilities etc. He would essentially be tuning in with a previous sonic to hone his ability. Literally embodying the 'Sonic spirit' from the title. I ultimately dropped the idea as the video was getting out of control ambition wise and I needed to tailor some of it back, also felt it was a bit toooo breath of the wild and ori like as I had recently played both lol.
@Stephen-Fox
@Stephen-Fox 3 жыл бұрын
​@@ArtistMarkFlynn Yeah, I don't think I like the idea of Sonic as a legacy hero, so I'm definitely glad you dropped that even if for different reasons.
@redirk2633
@redirk2633 3 жыл бұрын
Ok, you know what, I just found my new favorite Tails design
@MiguelSuperZ
@MiguelSuperZ 3 жыл бұрын
Are you planning on making more Sonic Spirit videos?
@ArtistMarkFlynn
@ArtistMarkFlynn 3 жыл бұрын
Not at the moment
@artistanthony1007
@artistanthony1007 3 жыл бұрын
We really need one, Ken and Warren just....are so bad and I want good writers take over, please just make the stories good.
@AizakkuAnalysis
@AizakkuAnalysis 3 жыл бұрын
I think the sonic community is just scared of change. But at the same time, I've never personally seen an idea I can get behind when it comes to rebooting the series. However, that may just be because I find the whole thing unnecessary. Sonic can be a great series if it just gets back on track. And I don't think a reboot is how we get to that. Quality games with strong narrative is enough.
@ArtistMarkFlynn
@ArtistMarkFlynn 3 жыл бұрын
I think that's fair. Most fanbases have an element of fear about change... Me included (hence the backlash to movie sonic). With stuff like this I aways think it's better to try though if things feel stale!
@WDStudio-cu9so
@WDStudio-cu9so Жыл бұрын
I like this story
@deanmark3636
@deanmark3636 5 ай бұрын
I dislike the Metal Sonic design it's like Eggman just settled for keeping a prototype design
@spacecadetlostintransit
@spacecadetlostintransit 3 жыл бұрын
All we need now are programmers and designers and we’re set🙌🏾
@TriMoblin
@TriMoblin 3 жыл бұрын
Here’s an idea: theoretically, if this was a game, it should be 2.5D.
@nik_2205
@nik_2205 2 жыл бұрын
If i could program, i would make a fangame out of these two videos!
@thesmilingman7576
@thesmilingman7576 Жыл бұрын
0:31 I actually think it could work as a good standalone game
@Cryosaturn
@Cryosaturn 2 жыл бұрын
if theres ever a third one to be made, i hope it involves knuckles and i hope his design includes echidna clan attributes
@ToviKytonikChannel
@ToviKytonikChannel 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's true that Sonic Predate crash bandicoot by 5 years! have you guys even seen Frankenstein? I'm Mean, really every evil scientist story takes inspiration from that! So it makes sense that Eggman Gave Sonic his speed. I heard that the story of 1991's sonic explained that Eggman used to be a normal scientist, after a lab issue with a chaos emerald... well he became Robotnik! so seeing the Robotnik in this Fan Concept Serires as a Business man... now that's kinda scary that he took over the environment isn't it?
@ToviKytonikChannel
@ToviKytonikChannel 6 ай бұрын
...And Now Being part Robot? That's even more a Shocker
@zakosborne1520
@zakosborne1520 3 жыл бұрын
No one: Toxic sonic fans: O my god whyyyyyyyyyyy you cant be KZfaq anymore you hurt my opinions
@telekinesticman
@telekinesticman 3 жыл бұрын
This video -has words and voiceover in it - talks about videogames - is on KZfaq dude come on, stop trying to rip off PewDiePie!!
@ledetbrothers9210
@ledetbrothers9210 2 жыл бұрын
🤦‍♂️ Please tell me you are joking.
@Ninjago-News
@Ninjago-News 3 жыл бұрын
Eggmans creates more creatures.
@m.mproductions2461
@m.mproductions2461 3 жыл бұрын
My guy brotha to brotha imma need that first song at 0:22 been looking for it for years
@ArtistMarkFlynn
@ArtistMarkFlynn 3 жыл бұрын
Sonic Intro Remix is from OC Remix's 'The Sound of Speed': OA - "A, B, C, Start!" by Halc, OA Available from: sos.ocremix.org/
@m.mproductions2461
@m.mproductions2461 3 жыл бұрын
@@ArtistMarkFlynn lord and savior
@BlazingWarior26
@BlazingWarior26 2 жыл бұрын
Where Chaos Emeralds
@doraeguyakaneddie6586
@doraeguyakaneddie6586 3 жыл бұрын
I like this because it awknloedges both Japanese and American canon
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