@Dev Narayan S.S ok Arjun

A suggestion for future vids: instead of current MBTs, how about some experimental tanks? Either WW2 or Cold War era

VT-4

VT-5 and type 15 light tank are not the same tank, it was popularly believed that VT-5 was the other competing design for the new light tank program that wasn’t adopted and hence was pushed to export mark instead.

You clearly obtained some turret info from CCTV7, but you miss some details. The full version of that episode actually show that the turret is firstly made with a sloped base front armor. The triangle front is outer armor weld in front of the sloped base layer. They never mention if there is composite materials in the triangle space between the 2 layers of front armor, but there is some concept picture of composite armor structure in similar triangle space.

Exactly.

@@salar7902*... my bet is has to do with the weight (two needed to be fitted into Y - 20) - the reason for including the high - tech fire control systems is that they are light - hard kill systems are heavy*

@@salar7902 *There are no MBTs on high altitude mountainous Tibet border - this analysis is piss off poor - it is never designed to face another MBT :) Perfect for its purpose*

No arjun can fly over Tibet mountain terrains.

@@youknowmyfirstlastname3206 Believe me aliens will run away at the sight of THE MIGHTY ARJUN

I was waiting for that 😂😂

BS.

Chang

@Mr. Rock Dashing Arjun tank test crew

Alpha Defence 😜

😂😂😂

@@Alamdar- don't talk shit against religions plz🙏

@Mr. Rock Dashing হি হি হি হরে ভাইজান

not only on this channel. It is a real meme tank

Its a meme tank in pretty much all tank communities.

Arjun ahahahahahahaha bullshit

I used to take red effect seriously until he said the arjun is one of the best mbts in the world

@@kingkedi4949 he was joking

lol

"Best armor is no armor" - Warthunder.

its not really a "light tank", you could consider ZTQ15 as a "lighten MBT"

@@jamessutherland5045 VTs are lighten MBTs, ZTQs are literally light tanks, ZTQ means armor tank light

@@bingusclub69funni way heavier

I thought i was the only one who felt it hahahahaha

The tank has pretty much became a meme in the community. Arjunk :) good thing Indian army weren’t stupid they preferred Russian imports.

First the Arjun, then the Tejas can't wait to see how their indigenous small arms program turns out. I am a big fan of India, it's just apparent their ability to actually produce military related equipment in a quality, quantity and timely manner is none existent.

against pakistan, that thing would probably still have a chance or best yet an upper hand, say if they engage in a tank v tank combat, their adversary Al-zarrar is even more retrograde being a mod for type 59 (they do use a copy of 2A46 125mm gun though) , and they're already examples being knocked out, they made up some if not much of pak's armored forces

@@corey8420 Tejas isn't bad to be honest it was supposed to replace mig 21 at least they are trying to save their soldier from flying coffin.

but India actually has Railways till Ladakh now

@@ChandranPrema123 But what is the quality of said rail? China get harped on for bad construction but its gotten better since the the 80 and 90s. India on the other hand hasn't shown its capability to make lasting infrastructure projects.

@@fuckedupbody4194 Quality of said rail ? It can carry T-90.

​@@heatengine9283 and?

India will never be on Chinese side of Himalayas. India invade china full on for real over Himalayas? It is suicide. Not just for the troops invading but for whole of India. There is zero point to do so since they can never keep it and zero way to actually do it to begin with. So while your point about high and challenging environments is true, I believe it will be used more likely for stuff like Taiwan which is really the only conflict China will actually fight for. Can air drop them probably and fit more of them in air and sea transports.

Now there're 44 dislikes----Which exactly made up 11 crews for the Arjun tank LOL

@@shermanfirefly5410 No, 40 additional Indian soldiers can just set on Arjun's turret to add its protection. 😄

@@irregular2329 human reactive armor lol

Irregular23 lmao

@@samuell4868 and what about China china vius(wuhan virus) protection system 😊😀

hahahaha :))))

State of your mom's art 🤣🤣

Then, a M735 penetrate the turret front.

yeah they have a lot of recovery vehicle's lol ha ha ha

@@yangleezhao2492 Taiwan Number 1!!

man looks like the Chinese Elon Musk lmao

My cat says that one day he "might" become a billionaire.

@@user-vq7hi7wp4t lol

I think it has more to do with Elon having Asian-esque facial proportions if anything

Legend hs it Elon musk has a gene-modified clone in every country

Dude he is just a random news reporter from CCTV

80% of Bangladesh is Alluvial delta soil with hundreds of wide rivers (not a great country for heavy weapons in general), you can't use MBTs over 40+ tonnes in majority of Bangladesh. That's why we bought 44 ZTQ-15 for a light tank regiment, with plans for at least 4-5 regiments in the coming years.

安東我要15式！

It way too op lol

又看到老点你了

Lmao, china doesnt evan go to very to tier, gaijin has left the chinese line for dead

@@danehampe2972 Just wait till Gaijjin needs to pay rent again they'll milk the China line again

True

How can a modern MBT only pen 300mm ???

@@jacktseng1217 I don't know, it probably fires APFSDS made from Mango and curry

@@shermanfirefly5410 lmfao😂

@@shermanfirefly5410 omg micro shell size just like something else common amongst Indians 👀

Wow. Do we know what atgm though?

@@ZORGIN MAYBE some 900mm atgms

Literally just added the t90 lmao

@@jedispartancoolman Over a year since the Chinese TT has been introduced and still not a single top-tier worthy tank or SPAAG has been added

@@Sebastian-yl7nq i meant your statement is still false. T series line of tanks have been in for a while and were in the video 😅

@@jedispartancoolman If you're being this nitpicky, why not go all out? The vehicles shows in this video aren't int this game at all. There is no T-90S, nor a T-72M1, T-72M2 and Arjun

@@Sebastian-yl7nq i could be that nit picky but im not.

很客观的评价

@@yanglan9604 *There are no MBTs on high altitude mountainous Tibet border - this analysis is piss off poor - it is never designed to face another MBT :) Perfect for its purpose*

@@robertgittings8662 I think the concept of "Light tanks" has arose because modern MBTs are becoming increasingly heavier, as lots of armor is being applied on them to thwart modern anti-tank weapons. Tanks were never able to fight well against hostile forces alone, and its only become worse. The Sprut and Type 15 fill the role between the MBT and the IFV (able to handle some anti-tank systems, while possessing high mobility) Also, India can't hope to thrust their tank forces in Ladakh should a war erupt, as the land area is very adverse, they dont have a large ass fight-bomber fleet or a big arsenal of long-range precision weapons to achieve air supremacy and drop their tanks via air, and MBTs won't do very well in the oxygen-deprived air of the high altitude warfare.

Actually, PLA classify it as lightweight main battle tank.

@@joelau2383 Nope, ZTQ means armor-tank-light, it's a light tank. VT-5 is a lightweight main battle tank though.

Lol

While some other classified as Medium Tank. Maybe using old WW2 classifications?

@@2waterbottles227 Yeah, Harimau classification as Medium Tank while ZTQ-15/VT5 were classification as Lightweight MBT.

Oh wow he does look like him

India funds Bangladesh purchases of Chinese military products. Its so they can study them. Expensive, but India is a superpower.

@@man-who-sold-the-world lol what ? bangladesh takes military loan from china and buys chinese product with it... we aint giving anything to india... and even if we did india cant get any info as vt5 is export version of ztq 15.... and one last thing, india is NOT superpower

@@mayazmahmud1740 lmao maybe in the future but rn India is definitely not a superpower. They literally can not defeat pakistan decisively in a conflict and then compare themselves to china. It's sad

Bhai, Bangladesh will be looking at the VT5 instead of the Harimau tank. And Bangladesh will be purchasing another 140+ VT5 as a replacement for the Type 69G and Type 62 light tank

@@man-who-sold-the-world there are two super powers rn.Three if u consider the eu a single entity

@@bingusclub69funni light tanks are not meant to withdstand anti tank weapons bhai.The mobility and firepower is the most important thing.

Arjun was designed for space warfare.

@@LOL-zu1zr arjun was designed to kill gods

don't make him block this video, please for the love of GOD!

@Sameet Pattnaik r/woosh

Its specifications were from 80's and didnt change from then on

Bangladesh bought 44 ZTQ-15 not VT5. This is for the first regiment (for evaluation like the MBT2000s 44 ordered earlier). Bangladesh has plans for 4-5 additional regiments of light tanks, which means 150+ to replace the type 59s. Bangladesh also has requirements for 4-5 regiments of medium tanks in the 45 tonnes class (unlikely to be MBT2000's).

It actually has 30.8 hp/t which is more than any light tank currently in service so mobility would ve excellent

@@nemisous83 even better then

yeah the whole point of a light tank is to appear in areas people don't expect tanks to appear in.

@@shuffler1577 not to meantion because of it's power to weight ratio it could more easily climb hills

the designer were ask about engine power and they basically say 'there is not enough traction to make use a more powerful engine'. they think more power is useless if they can't be transfer into the ground. it smaller size, mean smaller track, so it make prefect sense for it design. more would be overkill.

The VT-5 and the VN-17 share the same hull, engine, and suspension, and from interviews with the tank designer (which may or may not have been misinterpreted), the VN-17 was the base vehicle, not the VT-5. This means what the designers originally planned was to have both a new IFV and a light tank partner for it with high degree of commonality between them. So rather than call it a loser in a tank competition, it's more likely to have been a completely different concept that the PLA rejected because they didn't need yet another AFV family regardless of how much better the 34-ton VN-17 was compared to the Type-04 family.

Yeah, it had different look concept. VT5 body were based on some competition concepts which not chosen as ZTQ-15.

vt5 is a light main battle tank, while type 15 is a heavy light tank.

@@bingusclub69funni don't forget like 10,000 rivers and streams.

@@arushreddi5419 yeah actually in Bangladesh tank are sitting duck light tank is useful but medium/heavy is a lol... & the river we have it is too hard to deploy any Heavy machine in here for invaliding force & defender...

@@sheikhss7250 yes brother. Love to Bangladesh 🇧🇩 from India/Bharat 🇮🇳

type99A looks way cooler than 99 itself cuz it's T H I C C

Ur comment reminds me that……is there any latest advanced weapen doesnt look cool?

@@harrywu9567 have you seen arjun?

@@harrywu9567 Meet the 6th gen British jet fighter Tempest,it literally looks like a turtle

It's got a huge hull compared to earlier tanks of its weight class

*... my bet is has to do with the weight (two needed to be fitted into Y - 20) - the reason for including the high - tech fire control systems is that they are light - hard kill systems are heavy*

I’ve always wondered if the reason for Chinese domestic tanks to lack armor compared to export vehicles is based off of transportation constraints. No Chinese domestic tanks have side ERA, yet they are well aware of its benefits and produce it for their customers. I’ve seen pictures from inside Chinese transport ships and it does seem like it would be impossible to add era production for the hull without removing a 4th of the amount of tanks stored.

​@@donovanchau3483 Generally our army don't develope one specific system too deep, we don't really spend time on add-on kits, we tend to go for next gen tech step by step, just to make sure we keep up with international standard, Chinese army equipment usually retire in a short time since 2000, there are new stuff come out every few years, so I guess there is no need to upgrade a decent tank to make it perfect, we just go for another platform with more possibility. Another reason is we spend limited money on the most significant thing, because our army tech is obivious not the best on the earth.

Cough, cough Taiwan.

@@donovanchau3483 Perhaps it is possible for the ERA to be removed and added when necessary?

In your opinion, what is the main purpose for separated into 2 projects? What is the differences in each tank's target?

@@sonhuynh106 Type-15 is to fulfill PLA's specific need of high altitude plateau combat with a specialized power pack. VT-5 is more like a lightweight MBT for export users who wants a modern tank but either doesn't have a significant armor threat or just don't want to deploy something too heavy. Thus having better protection than the Type-15.

I think they will do some upgrade on that----Especially since the VT5 already showed that they do have an APS system that can fit on this chasis

they already have it, just a matter of adding it, just like unmanned machine gun or anti-tank/sam missiles

@@al1ce90 *There are no MBTs on high altitude mountainous Tibet border - this analysis is piss off poor - it is never designed to face another MBT :) Perfect for its purpose*

@CR BZ M60 still can be very useful if upgraded, ZTQ15 on the other hand has less RHA thickness means any hit on the weak spot can be very catastrophic. The best choice will be use M60 along side with ZTQ15, since ZTQ15 share the exact same gun as the M60, both tanks are capable of firing DM63, M885 and so on. The latest 105mm APFSDS developed by Norinco is said able to penetrate more than 800mm of RHA steel armour 2000m away. A strong threat to T90MS.

@ALEX HUANG It's called Crew Weapon Station.

The ZTQ15 is used for high altitude warfare where the terrain and altitude is not suitable for the T90 to operate. Thats the primary reason they made this tank. As a Chinese Admire once said, "The stuff that can come up cannot defeat this tank, and the stuff that can defeat this tank cannot come up".

@@zszs100 Well, India did sent T72 and T90S up to the mountains to face ZTQ15,. Not surprisingly, these two type of tanks suffered badly due to the engine limitations, while ZTQ15 still functioning well.

@@ReviveHF They said "to the region" but there are high points and low points of the region and different terrain areas. Doesn't necessarily mean they will go face to face in specific areas. India doesn't have a tank dedicated to high altitude warfare yet while the ZTQ15 is designed for this specifically. This is why u see China confidently doing large scale live fire exercise with those tanks in that region on multiple occasions. Never mind high altitude, even at ground level India's T90 has broken down many times during the tank war games while China's older type 98s never broken down and has consistently achieved highs scores. On a side note, anything that India uses breaks down or crashes often for some reason. Like some Russian jets for example, Rus uses them just fine, then sells them to India and it starts dropping out of the sky none stop. xD

@Karan Varma was i supposed to get offended by you're comment im Afghan not Pakistani.

@@baseersherzad6553 the problem is not the tank in Red Effect's comment section, but the amount of racism and hatred they spread in the comments, just bcoz Arjun is not a great tank. And ignore the Karan Varma guy.

@@the_fabulous_p14 yahh you're right there is alot ignorant people in this comment section but arjun is not a bad tank and I'm pretty its better then al Khalid tank.

@@baseersherzad6553 al khalid is a medium tank, whereas arjun is a heavy tank. so arjun is better protected than al khalid, except the weak spot on the gunner sight and gun mantlet. But al khalid has got upgrades of ERA, which will enhance it's protection. Talking about the ignorant people, the KZfaqr is russian. My personal opinion about russia is that Russia-india relations are only limited to profit now. The current russia is not the USSR. The current russia only looks profits, as their economy is badly hit by sanctions and the break up of USSR 30yrs back. Russia sees more profit in china than india, and thus has started to lean more towards china. Putin also talked about a military alliance with china, which is real bad news for India. India is also trying to make it's weapons (which is rather slow:( ). due to this our reliance on russian weapons in the future is bound to decrease. and india not having any commercial goods to offer to russia, while china having a lot of it, just pushes russia away from us. Plus due to the Border standoff in Ladakh initiated by china, India has automatically been pushed closer to US. another reason for this is that quality of Russian weapons is not good, and these weapons require a lot of maintanence, which eats up a lot of our defence budget. I say India should stop buying any weapons, and make our own as we have the capability to do so. we have our allies to help us in case china decided to invade us, which will be dealt with the same force as china will use against us :D. Coz we are capable of it.

@@the_fabulous_p14 without alliances, You cant stand against China, I dont like china, But You cant stand against them One on One.

It makes sense for them. The entire Abrams family of tanks is in the process of being replaced, and USMC M1A1s are some of the oldest Abrams around. With F-35 and other upgrades to amphibious ships, the USMC has never had more strike options than they do now. At the same time, in exercises US Army Stryker Brigade Combat Teams have displayed a high degree of anti-armor capability in a light strategic mobility force without proper MBTs. The look of the USMC, with the quantum leap in native strike capability with F-35 and more heavily armed amphibious ships, is that they are going to use the Amphibious Combat Vehicle program to move to a more lightly armored force similar to Stryker BCTs. This is generally in line with the shift in the Marine Corps to being more uniquely focused on amphibious operations and quick reaction, rather than being a second Army with an amphibious flavor. They are simply leaving heavy mechanized combat with MBTs and heavy IFVs to the Army, and returning to their roots.

@@ultraman5168 Japan recently adopting the Type 16 MCV, a wheeled light tank. Designed for urban, airborne and outlying island defense equipped with 105mm gun. Prior to this, only the Type 74 MBT is light enough to be air or sea transported that have heavy firepower. I read that the USMC wants to have bigger guns on the upcoming ACV, up to 50mm if they want more firepower. Do you think each marine should carry an AT4 disposable rocket launcher individually in addition to Javelin teams?

@@Joshua_N-A I don't know that every Marine will have an AT4, but I could see them being more liberal with support weapons. Perhaps like Swedish mechanized infantry, they can use a weapons locker setup to have extra weapons on hand as each platoon requires them. The jump up to 50mm might be seen as a compromise in place of a 105mm tank gun, especially if they spread lots of anti-armor weapons across the force in the dismounted troops, on infantry carriers, and dedicated anti-armor vehicles. I know that the Army has big problems with the durability of Striker mobile guns while firing 105mm, I'm not sure if the SuperAV that the ACV is being derived from is more mechanically suitable. It's going to be a cost-benefit analysis. Comes down to how valuable the 105mm gun is in combat compared to how much logistical resources it takes to field it.

*There are no MBTs on high altitude mountainous Tibet border - this analysis is piss off poor - it is never designed to face another MBT :) Perfect for its purpose*

@@robertgittings8662 are you talking too me or about the video? Because if its me you obviously don't know how to read did I call it an MBT? did I say it was designed to go up against one?.... No I didn't.

Exactly This thing can turn a BMPT or even a Puma or M3 Bradley in a heap of trash in no time. Unless they spot it first and get a swarm of ATGM's over it.

@@ah64dbeast37 *No I wasn't talking about what you said I said something about the original video*

@@ah64dbeast37 *... up - voted your original comment lol*

So... By 2020? Oh, wait...

Incomming 105mm rifled guns, do they can fire HESH, with 200mm pen APFSDS at 0 degrees at 10m.

@@user-fx9rw7xc1e 30 days left, anything can happen

@@zhuravl-m2285 I wonder who will be the next superpower for 2021... 🤔

@@user-fx9rw7xc1e Just you wait, India's gonna annouce their RX-78-2 Indiadum by 32rd this month!

It's comparable to Type 99A but with weaker armor (600mm RHA vs 900mm).

@@langcheng4480 Well atlast it's better then T-72B around us or M60A3 ( That we got )

@@lonewolfchannel9329 It's definitely better than any M60 variant since these tanks have pretty much zero composite armor.

@@dmitrit.4862 I know but before VT-4 come only tank that we have that got composite armor is T-84 Oplot-T before that we only have M60A3 with israel upgrade M48A5 also M41 and Stingray

@@lonewolfchannel9329 I think the Type-15 will be a great replacement for any old american tanks you have. But hey, at least you have +/- 30 T-84 which aren't bad at all you'd have even more of them if Ukraine didn't fail the simple task to produce them. lol But I guess China used the opportunity and supplied you with the VT-4 instead. I wonder which one's better, the Oplot or the VT-4. Red should definitly compare these two one day. ;)

220 at 2km at 60 degree's is about on par with m900 which represents the absolute limit of standard length 105mm ammo. So it's likely the ammo they export is the ammo they use for the Type 15

@@nemisous83 The export version is BTA-2 as shown in the video. However, PLA uses 105mm DTC-2 which does have more pen.

@@2waterbottles227 the only difference between the BTA-2 and DTC-2 is the composition of the rod the export one being tungsten and the PLA one being DU however the penetration difference isnt that much more because DU isnt as dense as Tungsten however have other properties that make it ideal.

Rule #1 never export your best stuff

@@jamesricker3997 then why does Russia export T-90MS ?

Lasers have a certain degree of scatter beyond the beam, even tight beam ones. If a laser passes by the sensor close enough, it's gonna detect the scatter.

we ding them xd

IDK, if it's actually 300mm, there are a lot of Cold War Era tanks that have much more armor than 300 mm. So yeah, the Arjun probably isn't going to be able to pen it.

300mm Penetrator was intial currently it is using 500mm penetrator

if it’s actually 300mm pen, they won’t even pen many Cold War tank like t64

@@sarthakasingh2179 source ??? i havent heard about that ??

*There are no MBTs on high altitude mountainous Tibet border - this analysis is piss off poor - it is never designed to face another MBT :) Perfect for its purpose*

*... my bet is has to do with the weight (two needed to be fitted into Y - 20) - the reason for including the high - tech fire control systems is that they are light - hard kill systems are heavy*

@@robertgittings8662 Bangladesh ZTQ-15 includes the APS.

4. PLA uses 105mm DTC-2 which offers more penetration than BTA-2. BTA-2 is the export version of DTC-2.

I think VT-5 also has real armor, not just ERA or structure armor

Source for penetration?

>Technically have better firepower Do you realize that ztq-15 will get penetrated everywhere, even by mango rounds?

@@HMSNeptun I said better firpower not better protection

@@yichongwang7699 no it doesn't have better firepower.

Or when they pose as the American IRS to say that they haven’t paid any taxes and are going to jail

lol

Mainland China already have good experience at designing their tanks.

@@arya31ful Do they? Has a Chinese developed tank ever seen combat?

@David Dou Okay, I'll accept that. Did they do well in the engagement?

@@elitegrunthuntr redeffect did a video on chinese type 80 vs russian t-72s

that kinda unfair, China is cool it's just their government that's the problem, kinda like here in states

I can see them showing up in Africa but Middle Eastern armies have experience with tank warfare and I like tank is not suited for the type of combat that has occurred there

well only China can afford a good tank for a export, Nigeria already received MBT 3000 and Pakistan is the next.

Using ceramics in tanks isn't really a good idea, as it deteriorates quickly and its effectiveness is greatly reduced even by non penetrating shots. It cracks, basically.

Aside from soviet tanks new and old (T-14) and possibly the Japanese type 10, what other modern mbt can be considered light? I've always assumed that making light weight mbt is just extremely expensive hence why Russians design the T-14 fundamentally different from other contemporaries unless they go the Japanese route and use exotic metal composition jacking the price up to infinity.

@@kai-jf2vd Lighter tanks are great for air lifting thus increase it's strategic value. Light cargo plane such as C130 can lift a single type 15, C17 or Y20 with better engine can lift 2 type 15.

@@fanyechao2761 aah airdrop tanks, I don't think it's possible to get mbt level protection for airdops and most that do get airdrops tend to be ifv such as the bmp. If the type 15 can be airdrop and provide sufficient enough protection from chemical rounds it can work well as an airborne assault vehicle especially since it can fire apfsds to unsuspecting tanks side, for what it's worth it's not too bad probably an m118 stryker equivalent in mobility. Tbh for the protection it provides it should've just been an ifv with offensive capabilities.

@@kai-jf2vd Air lifting is not air dropping, air lifting need an airfield to operate. If you do not air drop, then you to use high way or railway or ships to travel thousand of KM, and that can take months

@@fanyechao2761 sorry my bad but talking within context of airlifting, Im aware that even the abrams despite being really heavy can be carried by the c-17 while not being the most efficient method I assume since it's most often done on rails and cargo ships. Maybe I'm just shortsighted but I don't really see the logistics advantage of possibly one additional tank on the c-17 for airlifting so my mind kind of automatically assumed you meant airdrop my bad. Regardless light tanks has its use considering china geography is mountainous.

Probably because modern MBTs are getting heavier and heavier so they wanted something light that can be quickly deployed?

That what I heard in China as well. This kind of practice is pretty common in Chinese military industry so it’s probably true

no, it's not true. it's kinda a western thinking. There isn't a competing relationship between vt-5 and ztq-15

its look like they add screws for ERA for al khaled?

Why you love chinese tanks so much?

@@oscarl2334 Lols its a tank. whats more to it? Just because you dont like them it means their goods are bad. lol they can fuck up your country, one on one without allies.

@@jovidutful I was just asking

Too heavy for airlift

Alteast Indian Amry won 6/7 wars

Mostly against pakistan and a very shotty performance against the chinese which at that was much poorer than india now

It is a Leo 2A4 turret on a Chally chassis, mounting a 120mm rifled gun. It was obsolete from the start, due to its thin armor and underwhelming gun. The Mk. 2 upgrade package sought to improve it by adding on an external armor package. However, this package did not armor a large piece of the turret face, which was already vulnerable as-is.

@@nibs7252 *crappy copy of the 2A4 turret

@@alexisbierquedebirkadefauv1744 True. Crappy Chobham composite knockoff and a massive DV optic make it one of the weakest turrets on a modern MBT.

@@nibs7252 So in which metallurgy lab did you get to test the composition and efficacy of that "knock-off" armor? Or are you pulling out imagination out of your ...?

It was for parade purpose