Nothing better than 3 Aussie blokes sitting in a room full of Porsches telling the truth about the car industry. The story about the lady with the MG is a belter 🙂

I've got a good one for you and I'm happy to name and shame ha - Northshore VW (also tried Bill Buckle VW Brookvale and had the same response). I bought a T6 Transporter - shortly after purchase i realised there was a recall for leaking rocker cover gasket. Took it to Northshore VW approx 2 after purchase to replace rocker cover gasket. Upon receiving the car back there was a very strong smell of diesel. On inspection there was a very large diesel leak on the top of block around fuel lines above injectors. Immediately took the car back. 6 weeks later i was told all 4 injectors had failed and I would need to pay $4.5k - at my own cost - not covered under warranty. Car had less than 1000kms on it, and had driven less than 20kms since the rocker cover gasket was replaced by the dealer. VW told me they had not touched the fuel system when doing the rocker cover and insisted that, no, miraculously, all 4 injectors had failed. NOT true, as in order to remove the rocker cover, the fuel lines and injectors MUST be removed (the fuel lines are also designated single use by VW and are supposed to be replaced with new ones once removed). After nearly 5 months, and legal action, Northshore VW finally conceded (although never admitted liability) and fixed under 'good will'. The entire time was left carless and never offered a replacement/loan car. Fun times.

Back a while ago I came into a large sum of money where I could walk into a dealership and buy a new car outright with cash. In the end I bought a privately owned 15 year old secondhand car in really good nick.

Finally an adult conversation(s) about the car industry in Australia & the world. I really enjoyed this two part series from the Redriven team and John.

I know of someone who purchased a car from a well-known dealer and took their car back there to be serviced, because most people think that their car will be in the best hands doing that, and when they came to collect their car and started it up, the engine made all sorts of terrible noises. They went back to the service department and explained the situation and they drove the car back to the workshop and 10 minutes later came back and said they couldn't find anything wrong. The car ran normally now. The dealership did not admit to doing anything wrong, BUT WHAT HAPPENED is that when they drained the oil, they FORGOT to put new oil in it. So when they took it back to the workshop for 10 minutes, all they did was put new oil in and it sounded and ran normally BUT WOULD NOT ADMIT TO FORGETTING TO PUT OIL IN IT. The car was only 12 months old and the engine was probably F**** because of what they did. BUT remember, take your new car back to the dealer for servicing because they are the best, most well-trained technicians to work on your new car.

I've had the dealership not torque my front wheel lug nuts and had the wheel wobbling loose on the M4... that was enough for me to learn how to service the car myself.

Yep. years ago I worked for an Organisation that kept using lots of Vauxhall products. I asked why and was told it was because it was part of the UK Government and they had to buy British. The car was being fixed, so I pointed to the plate under the bonnet where it says it was made overseas "oh, but it's a british company" - Vauxhall at the time was owned by General Motors. So it's an American car made in Spain (I think - this was 2 decades ago). If we'd been using Hondas (Swindon), Nissans (Sunderland) or Toyotas (Burnaston) they're have been providing more British jobs as all those cars are actually made here - even if they DO have Japanese brands. Oh. And we wouldn't have been having the conversation anyway as those cars wouldn't have required me to talk to the motorpool about the vehicle quite so regularly as this "british" Vauxhall did.

Watched the other part, what a breath of fresh air, literally. The marketing BS is killing me recently…

Five minutes in, I'm hooked to this collaboration. Writing from California, please tell me that this won't be the last ❤.

Great podcast guys. As the owner of an Audi S3 I can attest to the in ability of main dealer servicing. I had a windscreen replaced when it was 2 years old. I was told by the windscreen company that it needed a sensor calibrating. Audi did this but then the car would veer sharp left when the lane departure tracking was on. It took 4 trips to the dealer, each time they told they road tested the car. After a couple of days with the car they discovered the geometry was out of alignment. I have not been back to an Audi dealer again and never will.

Hello Oz! Mmmerica here. So much good stuff here in this 2 part series but the point that really yanks my chain is the concept of obsolescence and constantly trading in for an increasingly expensive replacement. I bought new in 1992 a Ford F150 5.8L V-8 truck for $18,600 OTD and I’m still driving it 270,000 miles later. Over the near quarter century I’ve owned it, I’ve replaced a radiator, 2 alternators, 2 sets of brakes, 3 sets of tires and just recently finally rebuilt the starter and replaced the solenoid out of shame. Engine and tranny are original and both have had regular fluid service. It’ll be a classic soon!

The point many struggle with in understanding the behaviour of large corporates is that their primary responsibility is not actually to the customer, but to the shareholder, as short-sighted as that might first appear to be. Customers are the means to the end of meeting shareholder expectations, but in the choice between customer and shareholder satisfaction, shareholders win.

I once bought a used car warranty on a $6000 AU Ghia 12 years ago. To my surprise the gearbox went a few months after purchase & was fully repaired by a local mechanic paid by the warranty company.

I agree with everything you say about service intervals. I run an independent service and repair shop specialising in European vehicles. We see 3 to 5 year old cars with "dealer" service histories which need thousands of $ spending on them to fix issues. Brake fluid and coolant, never flushed and changed, 24,000 km oil changes leading to sludge, coked up inlet manifolds and throttle bodies. We recommend servicing every 6 months or 10,000kms. It might seem excessive but its what we do to all of our own loan fleet comprising a dozen cars, all of which are between 100,000 and 230,000km and between 9 and 12 years old and none of which gives us any trouble.

absolutely love this guys!!! you should seriously take this on the road! I reckon people would pay money to listen to you guys discuss the absolute truths if this corrupt and evil industry! Keep it up!! please make this a regular with John and other luminaries like him. 👍👍👍👍👍

You mentioned the idea of not filling the oil properly, and I just had that happen at one of the large quick service places. My wife asked why I was bothering to check the level which should make sense, but I had a nagging feeling that they did something like that and, sure enough, it was a quart low, and it definitely isn't that the car is leaking or burning oil. The best part is that I'm sure the corporate lawyers have weaseled wording into the agreement we sign that absolves them from being required to completely fill the oil. Corporations really suck for consumers. Another thing worth mentioning is that I had a third-party warranty transferred to me by a private seller, which turned out to be amazing. It really was comprehensive. Even the shop manager was surprised that they covered so much. He had begrudgingly submitted the claim, assuming they would deny it. The company was USAA, which serves military, veterans, and their eligible family members. I think they have since stopped selling extended warranties because they are too costly when you actually pay for things.

This is just brilliant Adam! You and Jim are some of my favourite and REAL motoring journalists now along with John. To see you all together chatting really is a big big deal to me! Amazing. You should also invite Simon (MGuy Australia) to join and create a real powerhouse of proper motoring and engineering common sense! I remember really ruining someone’s day who were showing off in their new Mercedes C-class and how it was German Engineering at it’s finest. I pointed out that actually his car was South African - made in Port Elizabeth. He didn’t believe me until I pointed out the VIN sticker where it clearly said ‘made in South Africa’ 😂 The look of disappointment and his reaction of anger was absolutely hilarious 😆 Fabulous video.

Nothing better than three genuine dudes having a respectful and reasonably accurate chat about some pretty important topics. Wasn't sure what to expect going into this one but it was great (from an environmental scientist)

As a consumer I’m fed up to the back teeth with being scammed and ripped off!

I enjoyed this podcast style video of just some blokes talking about cars, good to have John on too! Keep it up ReDriven you guys are doing a great job.

Speaking of cabin filters, i discovered the Toyota dealer had not re placed my cabin filter as per log book service and stated on the invoice. I complained to the manager who offered my next service free. Low and behold my next service was a major costing $1k 😂

My son recently had his Nissan Patrol serviced prior to warranty expiry. Bonnet struts still had Kimberley red dust on them, so not replaced despite dealer saying they were, and the cover for the air intake left loose, toggle clamps not applied !. Make sure you check EVERYTHING after a service ! My LC200 had the centre diff light come on on the dash, which meant no low range and no cruise control. Dealer said they could not find the fault so then suggested they just disconnect the light ! I kid you not !!

Goes the opposite way too. I had a 2013 BMW X3 30D. At 100,000km I noticed a lack of performance and decided to drop it into the local BMW (well known) specialist in Castle Hill to investigate, being told required a $3,000 fix to replace the EGR cooler on the front of the engine. Some google searches found this to be a BMW recall item. When fixed bt the dealer, they advised they are doing this multiple times a day. For a so called high profile BMW specialist to not be aware of this issue and try and lighten my wallet of $3,000 for what was a known issue, I quickly realised was not the type of people I wanted to be looking after my cars going forward.

Enjoyed the podcast, good to see another collab with JC. And on the first topic, MG actually write "since 1924" on their stuff - if that's not misleading I don't know what is...

Once worked at a dealer as an apprentice mechanic and later on I as their IT person. The front desk service team would get a commission for upselling customers on service items, and none of them had any mechanical background. Astonishing how many power steering fluid flushes would be sold at that place... when 80% of the cars sold had electric power steering...

Breaking! Pregnant man tells all to the ladies regarding pregnancy and motherhood, because he can. Later in the show he cries and feels marginalised, threatened and not as relevant as desired. The fact filled and researched spotlight show is delivered in a relaxed atmosphere of hypocrisy and megalomania, it is a must see of course. 5🌟

Excellent. Very spot on, informative and straight to the chase. Have a 17 yo Barra and a 19 yo Accord Euro. They will see me out.

The stars have aligned. Now if you could fly Scotty Kilmer in to have a chat!!

I'm very happy that John talked about the environmental pollution aspect of cars, and their technological progress. It's tough being someone who studies and works in environmental science/management and also enjoys cars, because many enthusiasts are hell-bent on not understanding the wider picture of why regulations and emission controls are important. It's also great that vehicle longevity was mentioned, as I feel like many people are way too caught up in a cycle of consumerism. I drive a 14-year old car and I hope it lasts at least a decade more - no oil leaks so far, so fingers crossed!

Thank euro standards for the extra long service intervals. It has zero to do with service costs, it’s 100% to do with Euro standards, as the disposal of oil contributes to a bigger hit against meeting Euro 7 etc.

Peter Werrett who remembers him

I know it's not an available option for everyone, but you're exposing exactly why I never, ever, put my car in a garage for any servicing...or for any other reason. I have 3 cars, 20 yrs old each and running fine and still going strong.

Loving this video! Came from John's channel, new here. Just paused @22:00 Just to say my Corolla Sportivo Hatch is still going strong & is my daily everything car & it's about to hit 300,000 Km's Built in 2003. I service most of it myself & take it to a family friends mechanic when required. A car well looked after will last a long time. Cheers.

Thank you Adam and Jim. Most aspects of the auto/ fuel industri is big money and riddled with lies and falsehood, we. ( most of us ) have known this for a very long time. However I don't think that your channel is helped by inviting a person filled to the brim with self prophesies and simple opinions. Your take and "opinion" on things is rather more hinged in reality, and watchable. "There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true: the other is to refuse to believe what is true."

I service all my cars - 6 month oil changes for everyone - one Camry 7 years old, Falcon 20 Yr old, Fairmont 53 year Old - all get filters and new oil weather driven hard or not!!! We did the same on the farm when I was a kid - regular oil changes for every tractor truck car!!! SO - they all lasted thousands of hours or 100 000's kilometers!!

That poor lady who missed the memo... MG now stands for Mao's Garage

As per service intervals, I've already posted a comment on a similar video: EVERY SINGLE MANUAL of EVERY SINGLE car I drove, ACTUALLY states the LONG intervals are jn ideal conditions only. Each manual had an asterix next to the high mile number and if you jump to the explanation of the asterix, it basically tells you to HALF the interval if driven in one of the following: and then proceeds to name EVERY driving scenario except pure highway driving. So NO the manual not trying to fool you, it's just that people read them at a glance and the dealers don't tell you to read the fine print. I do changes twice a year, or roughly every 3.000-5.000 miles, BECAUSE my manul states to do, and never had any problems with any of my cars. Current one has been with me 15 years, since new and still drives problem free

Wifes car had a mandatory Takata airbag recall. Asked if I could do it myself to avoid the stealership (A:no), so took it to VW (Lismore NSW). They did the job & a sometime later wife is complaining about random stalling when slowing down at intersections. I changed fuel filter, scanned for codes, asked my favourite independant to look at it - no idea. Then one day I noticed the upshift paddle didn't work. Pulled air bag out to find they'd crushed the wires when doing the recall & randomly the car was trying to upshift when slowing down (hence the stalling). >12 months of my wife ear bashing me about the car misbehaving bcause the d!ck$ couldn't do a simple job properly. I fixed it myself with 2nd hand parts.

This kind of content is really cool and definitely something you should do more of. I wish the public at large were better clued in about this stuff. The MG thing is fascinating.

I was considering selling my 2012 VE, but thank god I haven't .I will keep it until the wheels fall off.

He is right on the BS re recycling and plastics. My wife has done the deep dive on this a few yrs ago and all true.

As a Hyundai tech on the Northside of Brisbane, I agree that a lot of what is said here is correct. However, I will say we can recommend customers change their cabin filter etc, but half the time they say no, even if it is completely full of dirt and leaves and all we can do is try to dust it out for them. We also have a qualified technician who is our Quality Controller and all he does is check our work when we finish the service to ensure everything is correct, right down to the service sticker. Not all dealerships are the same. Also it is getting incredibly hard to find and keep good, experienced technicians when here in Queensland you make two to three times as much money driving a coal truck in an open cut coal mine than working in a dealership. I know because I was making way more back in 2012 when I worked at Peak Downs coal mine driving a coal truck.

Great commentary. I'd love a car that you can maintain for 30 years. Like we used to have 20 years ago. Scared to buy a new car now because after 7 years they're a throwaway.

I'm not one for podcasts normally. But I found this informative and entertaining. Great work boys. 👍

This was so good, so many people should be hearing this. Please do more of these episodes in the future!

These guys should be the cast of top gear australia

outstanding couldn't get a better bloke to sift bs than John C, would like to see more of it, congrats on great discussions! 🤘

You 3 guys should also be part of Top Gear Australia, mates ❤

Unfortunately this is the world we live in where people are willing to sell their integrity for a dollar.

It’s worth noting Australian lithium mining is traditional hard- rock like iron ore, not the evaporation-type which they do in South America.

I was fortunate in buying a second hand vehicle from a small Used-car Dealer who offered Third-party Used-car Warranty, which I researched well before purchase. I negotiated to include a higher level of Warranty in the price, as the next level included cover for not just the basic "engine & drivetrain" but also the vehicle "running electronics" and a 3-year Warranty period. The vehicle was then serviced at Specialist Third-party Workshops since purchase in 2014. The Bosch Alternator and the Ignition Control Module both failed around the same time, and within the Warranty Period. The Warranty Company paid for BOTH items, their fault diagnosis and the fitting of new components at around $800+ each without any arguments. So there are some Reputable Third-party Warranties available, and the only "catch" to me was the requirement to have the vehicle "serviced (Oil & Oil Filter change) " and check at a Licensed Mechanic at 10k intervals instead of the factory 15k interval. So $1600+ that didn't come out of my pocket. Moral of the story as usual - DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

Very few cars are built to last 30 years. The W123 Benz and the Lexus LS430 are two that spring to mind…

12:35 Legit, I bought a fully dealer serviced used Lexus and was tracing a sound in the dash, pulled out the cabin filter in case it was a stuck leaf and it was clear it hadn't been changed in a decade. That's hundreds of dollars of cabin filters that were billed and never installed in one car.

Such a good episode. Main dealers that video the inspection and share that content with you is a good initiative to show that they’re actually doing the work.

Genius move splitting the two parts between channels to keep the algos happy. Great insight as well.

If you want your car to become a Lemon, use dealer service.. You are much better to find a specialist independent for your type of vehicle..

John introduced me to your channel. He is one person who I respect in the car industry, based on his knowledge and experience. You have a new subscriber! Great video.

Watched both episodes, best of both worlds and best episodes ever. Drive my Corolla bought new in 2004, still drives like a dream.

I have been saving this video to watch it with full concentration - my two favorite Aussie automotive channels

Love these type of videos. Thanks ReDriven

Be careful guys - the idea that an old car lasting longer is better for emissions is not necessarily true. It feels true intuitively, but the very vast majority of a cars lifetime impact is in its use. A surprisingly small improvement in efficiency in a new car over an older one means in many cases scrapping a 10 year old and making a new more efficient one from scratch and running that for 10 years is better than running the old one for 20. So don’t automatically assume keeping an old one on the road is better. In some cases that is true, but it’s not a universal rule.

Great one gentlemen, this is one thing that is overlooked and the effects thereof is huge. This goes even to how they are allowed to give information about fuel consumption of the vehicles which is never archived in real driving and so is their towing capacities and payloads vs the actual capabilities of the vehicle. I love your insights, keep the good work up.

It’s great to have you guys and John get together. Let’s get an MCM & ReDriven discussion happening!

i had someone at work who bought an MG under the exact same assumption, she was shocked when i told her (and showed her the google results) it was now chinese

John needs some life advice regarding health and nutrition . I can help and will hit him up on the website for THAT

Many years ago I knew someone who booked a Holden Viva because they once had a Holden Gemini and really liked it!! Thankfully they returned it to the dealer

All this while JC was a one man army reminding me of BLACK SABBATH'S "I" and I particular part where DIO says "I'm legend, strength in number and tonight the number is 1". Perfectly described JC. But now the legion's strength has grown to 3. POWER TO THE PEOPLE. Thanks guys. Keep it rolling.

Great video gentlemen. I'm a tow truck driver, Volkswagen and Land Rover are very popular up here around Byron Bay. And yeah, those things keep the wheels turning a lot. Meanwhile I'm having our 6yo diesel Kia serviced at 6mo/7500km because if you bother to read the caveats in the handbook, that's what you're supposed to do. You guys now have 1 more new subscriber.

I do this myself. I tell Americans that "I went to school in Cambridge" and let them believe I went to Cambridge University.

Great presentation. Enlightening and entertaining all in the one package. Now subscribed.

You go on about Australian Consumer Law, I can tell you it's not worth the paper it's written on. It totally relies on the manufacturer doing the right thing. If they say 'No, get stuffed', your only option is to take them to court and no one is going to do that.

Pretty appalling all these tosspots in the comment section throwing a tanty because somebody they don’t like is on the channel. Always great to have discussions, especially with people you don’t always agree with.

This interview makes me so happy I bought a Tesla. It’s well known where Teslas are made - Fremont, Texas, Berlin or Shanghai depending on which part of the world you are. No servicing for the first 4-5 years and no dealerships to suck your money away. My previous cars start feeling old once they hit 100,000km, but for an EV it’s just par for the course and you don’t notice their age. Charging from solar means NO combustion, not even remote combustion (alright - maybe at the Sun) And the slightly more emissions used to make them are recovered within the first 2 years, thereafter being totally emissions free. People are always going to be buying new cars anyway so it might as well be an EV. Not the solution, but at least better than the alternative which was what got us into the mess in the first place.

I bought a 2007 Hyundai Elantra that was always dealer serviced and the cabin filter had NEVER been changed! How any air flowed through that I will never know.

Such a good 2 videos. Well done. One question I have from the 1st video, the redriven guys suggest a car can be serviced at any registered mechanics for a log book service however, codogans response didn’t seem to agree. So what do you recommend, only the dealer while under warranty or a registered mechanic??

Interesting debate from a great car channel. I can start by saying that I have multiple cars, all different fuels and number of different cylinder numbers. Been around two and four wheel transportation all my life, both as a necessity and hobby. I'm also a scientist and a follower of agnosticism over any religious or otherwise entitled beliefs for personal gratification. I do find some of my friends and others in the car community wilfully ignorant or misleading when speaking about environmental or climate impacts from human activity. One should not conflict personal interest/entitlements or beliefs with facts in debating scientific matters, there are unfortunately too many places/forums where those take place already. And also, there is no zero sum argument between Ev and Fossil fuel cars, just lower the argument bar even further. However, to paraphrase an important aspect of all ( car ) manufacturing and why we don't have things lasting forever anymore...... It's the economy stupid! On some of John Cadogan's somewhat sweeping and in some aspect false statements. There is never a justification to spread misinformation because you don't have or understand certain information, no level of disagreement or opposition justify false information. Secondly, it was and is not the main aspect of low emissions to curb lung cancer. It wasn't the car or even oil industri who came up with the cleaner fuel burn policy, on the contrary they fought it all along, remember when lead was going to be faced out from petrol? There are plentiful books and readings about that subject alone. Thirdly, the environment is not one dimension only. There is not the same comparing an EV power plant with a combustion one, so an " batteries are very dirty too" , or " what about all the child labour in the African mines" argument is a fallacy at best. All manufacturing requires some sort of resources or materials, there is a scientific rather than a religious aspect why we need to curb the use of fossil fuels, that alone will not save the environment or the finite resources on the planet, and no credible person will/have claimed that. But if we want apparatus transportation devices in every home? we have to change a tiny bit. Uncomfortable for some but hardly noticeable for the purpose of transportation for the majority. Change is mostly a mind alteration Cheers

Im with jim here my workshop is a bit of a mitsubishi specialist and the amount of full dealer serviced cars i see where the customer has been paying for valve adjustments and tbe dealers managed to perfectly aling the pain marks on every bolt each time.

Just watched Part 1 & 2, brilliant discussion and great advice!!!

I think this collaboration is an excellent way of getting stuck into the worse players in the car industry & long overdue. Any chance you can do more of these videos from time to time?

Re: car manufacturing. Where the car is made/assembled often does make a substantive difference, even though many of the parts are multi-national. At the end of the day, the thoroughness of quality control reflects national strengths and weaknesses. You can see the quality difference in a Mercedes made in Mexico, vs one made in Germany. The Mazda's made in Japan are noticeably better than those made in Thailand.

I've been awaiting this collaboration for a while. Thank you all involved.

I love the phrase "remote combustion engine". Brilliant!

Most of the cars you mentioned may be built in other countries, they are still designed in their home countries.

Brilliant fellas - more with the grumpy old uncle please.

Everyone needs to hear this... especially politicians !

John is 100% correct on the recycling info. Totally. I've worked in the industry.

Knowing someone that works at a recycling centre the amount of recyclables that they've had to let go through they've told us about is ridiculous all because the customer only wants x product. As Hullsy and John pointed out they do shred the cars to seperate steel and other non ferrous metal from the rest of the materials but outside of that while cars are technically the most recycled consumer product in the world it has 2 of the hardest to recycle products from they auto industry or in general industries; lithium ion batteries as John said and tyres. Hopefully having guys like yourselves and John pulling back the curtain on the auto industry and getting more eyes on the problem stirs the government into implementing reforms to force the industry to clean its act up outside of EVs (but highly unlikely I know). Enjoyable and thought provoking video guys and look forward to next week's videos as per usual 👍

Excellent……No BS content 🙏🏽

geeez . . . Cadogan is becoming a bit of a unit ! 💪

Love these podcast like conversations - keep them coming lads!

Great collaboration with John, much appreciated

Very impressive shooting location!

I drive a Ute with a German badge, built in Thailand,Japanese design engineering and French engine….anyone buying on badge image is a special kind of stupid…but I guess that’s how the world rolls these days. Me..:I knew what it was as going into it..:I brought on price because they weren’t selling to those who look no further than hilux or Ranger

Great video! The point about where cars are made is a good one - like MG is a British car, or at least has a connection to the famous British brand. I've known a guy who had that belief. On dealer servicing - I NEVER take my car to the dealer; because I do (or did) a lot of my own servicing, and the dealers are usually expensive and not a good standard. In 1975 I bought a brand new Triumph 2500 TC. The dealer I bought it at was pathetic when it came to the workshop. So I wrote to Leyland Australia and asked if the warranty would be honoured if I did my own servicing. Their answer was that, while they preferred me to go to a dealer, the warranty would be honoured provided I didn't do anything wrong - like putting oil in the radiator and water in the sump etc. So Didn't go back to the dealer again. Co-incidentally, I still have the same car - now a classic club car.

I love how you spoke about keeping the car you have and have in maintained is less pollution than purchasing the new latest and greatest. My Jeep Grand Cherokee WJ is 24 years old and in near perfect condition, it came optioned up from factory with the 242HD transfer box and LSD locking rear diff which is great for 4x4 driving. I change its oil every 5000 km and the diff and tf case oils every 50,000km. My Model S is 9 years old with still the perfectly working MCU1. With 3G being phased out, Tesla AU advised my only option was to spend $3600 on the MCU2 with the 4G LTE card. But I knew both in the US and EU/UK, there is an option to upgrade the MCI1 modem daughter board. I purchased one from the UK and installed an AU SIM, pulled out my MCU1 and installed the 4G daughter board, now the MCU1 is LTE 4G. I saved money and stopped a perfectly good working MCU1 going to scrap heap.

I’m not a fan of John, However I thoroughly enjoyed watching this ! Well done 👍.

It is SO refreshing to hear a sensible sensible discussion about the folly of EV’s, particularly against ICE vehicles. Thankyou.

Epic guys, I’ve been sprouting this to so many people that criticise my aged fleet of rental cars and the Prado I tow them with that also does the school run but will hopefully last me 15-20 years as my hilux work Ute has. I had so many things I was going to comment on but I can’t type that much. But one thing I will say is at dealerships where a lot of pressure is on the “technicians” to do so much work in a day, at one I know of, the first thing they’d do is pick the cars that had done the least amount of kms since the last service and mark them down for a wash, quick test drive and a hand back with nothing else done to make sure the days quota was achieved.

Good chat. Talking about promoting longevity in design, I remember magazine ads by Volvo back in the 80s where they would have 6 pictures of Australian Volvo owners with their cars on a full page ad, with each Volvo exceeding 1,000,000kms. I think they called it the Million Kms Club? I haven't seen auto makers promote holding onto your vehicles for a while.

Great show and good to see collaboration with John, bloody legends