Henrik Kniberg made his own KZfaq video that's essentially the contents of this presentation. That version has 100K views. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ebmRaLJn0NTZp30.html

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-He has to be at least 6 ft tall- He needs to be at most an erosion of -.2 and be far inland

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Fortunately it seems to be, since you couldn't hear the audience when they were asking questions

This a type of technique taught in most computer science and graphics since Perlin first published his noise formula, it's genuinely surprising you haven't seen similar things in the past. Notably, nothing in this video is really that different from Minecraft's original terrain generation aside from the fjords. I was expecting them to have cubic chunks, some optimisation and more realism instead of a poor recreation of "real terrain" mods from over 10 years ago. FYI most mods for Minecraft are open source, if you want to pay with this kind of thing, look there.

​@@orbatos​reliable cubic chunks would leave the sea of children crying for a content update

@@UJustGotGamed yeah... they should improve what already exists in the game instead of making it bugier

@@orbatos not only that, but the fjords are terrible from a gameplay perspective and get old quickly anyway

@@shadesoftime Exactly. Exploration is really annoying until you get an elytra and fireworks.

then if u add those realistic terrain generation mods.... i wonder how they are coded and interact with the normal terrain generation.

@@MiriadCalibrumAstar It's probably just a different configuration of values for the pre-existing terrain generation framework, and then some more condition checks like x biome can't be next to x biome or x terrain feature can't generate unless this value is x and whatnot. Realistic terrain generation isn't that far off from the default terrain generation, which is what he said during the presentation, it's all based pretty much entirely off of these charts with basic number values.

@@Corzappy Thats quite true, ive theorized about it too. Though out of curiosity i want to know what kind of noises do they use and how are they implemented.

actually pretty simplistic, I was guessing trig waves and random noise would be used whilst watching and to my surprise they were.

don't wan't to be that guy but it's actually simple concepts

I think you just encapsulated in 1 sentence, the proper approach to computer science.

@@log9705 All science really

The devil is totally in the details for this stuff. The basic terrain is the easy part.

Also not all these features were available in the initial release. This is many years and many snapshots surmised.

If you as a professional Developer within a large development team can barely achieve that within 18 months, then there's something wrong with your scheduling

​@@luis-sophus-8227remember that the entirety of New Vegas was made in 18 months.

It would have been neat if he had mentioned a bit about the original style of cave generation which as far as I know is still present near the surface. I believe it uses a technique called Perlin Worms which is basically a random walk but using Perlin noise for more gradual movement. It would fit in quite well following on from the explanation of the overall terrain shape.

But there was no explanation of perlin noise, was there?

​@@nothappyzthere wasn't an explenation of how it's made, but there was an explanation of what it does

@@nothappyzperlin noise is publically accessible maths, it would be an utter waste to cover it here

@@terminalvelocity635 did I ever imply that?

​​@@nothappyzby saying there is no explination, you imply that you want an explanation... so... yes, you did imply it.

I wonder if it’s a psychological thing. There still are inaccessible ores on the ceilings of spaghetti caves, but maybe they arent as noticeable since a spaghetti cave feels like a path and so you instinctively focus on the ground and walls around you. Meanwhile a cheese cave is huge, kind of aimless at times, and anything can fall on you from above. You end up looking at the ceiling, the walls, everywhere more often. Or maybe you completely light up your caves or use night vision. In those cases you aren’t going to have those biases. And I guess theres a size factor thing. Spaghetti caves often are smaller (I have seen really tall ones before though, so not always) and so the ceiling is going to be easier to reach.

I'm personally a *huge* fan of the new cheese type caves, because I think they're beautiful.

​@@iveharzingtrue. The caves are way more beautiful now. There's always that feeling of awe when it's a beautiful cave but of course some parts are still "traditional" which is nice and there's that feeling of familiarity.

I feel like all of the old caves were spaghetti caves.

I like the cheese caves, because they're very pretty to look at. My brightness and black balance on my screen isnt very high. So unless I use a night vision potion, I actually can't see the ores on the top of the cheese caves like you do. And even if I do see them, I ignore the ores unless its diamonds. So I just run around looking at the floor only. Spaghetti caves I look at the floor walls and ceiling since 1 torch will light up the whole section.

It's a shame they removed that by the way. I don't play 1.12.2+ versions

Yeah with how dynamic those 5 parameters are, it'd be cool to have access to it without mods.

yeah I had a bit of a mindfuck moment when he spelled it - Procedular - in the slide @ 6:00 though

I had the exact same mistake/issue haha, how'd yours end up going? Specifically, I had been using unique splines for each biome which multiplied the terrain height, but this meant you had MASSIVE 'jumps' between biomes rather than smooth blending

wow really? I thought he was a brainrot just for how many comparisons he made at the beginning haha

I think the "boringness" of minecraft's current generation is due to how much they have configured the noise, and how many rules they have set in place. It is still possible to see some really wacky generation like that in todays minecraft, but it is waaaaay rarer because of the fine tuning. If they were to unconfigure it a bit, their test chunks would look less like they want it to look like, but also allow for more wacky stuff to happen more often. The problem is balancing the tuning of generation of millions of worlds and their 100s (at most) of test worlds. It makes it very hard to tune it to allow for wacky and "fantasy" generation and also allow for the flatlands and mountains of consistent quality and consistency.

did you just copy a comment from 12 days ago, literally 2 comments away above yours? lol

@@lastyhopper2792 this is a bot, it took 2 short comments and combined them together. The first one being "Seems like pretty simple but smart concepts implemented in a clever way" by johannesr8709, and "I'd watch this for hours. Such a good presenter." by bsdetector837." It then replaced added full stops to both comments before combining them causing it to be, "Seems like pretty simple but smart concepts implemented in a clever way.. I’d watch this for hours. Such a good presenter.." instead of "Seems like pretty simple but smart concepts implemented in a clever way. I’d watch this for hours. Such a good presenter."

Agree and disagree to a certain extent. Current minecraft vanilla gen feels like the worst of both worlds in regards to terrain generation. Being too 'realistic' to allow for some of the more grand and mystical generation we got in the early versions (pre-adventure update) but not realistic enough to allow for generation to feel 'different' and unique. Or worth exploring. Random/aimless works very well, again, looking at the earlier versions of the game. But only if it's truly random. And not so overly engineered and rule based that you always tend to get the same generation in the end. In a certain way it's like stable diffusion/AI generated imagery. Give it too many prompts and you'll get the same image over and over again. Be more loose and restrained in your use of prompts, and you can get a much more interesting and unique output each time. Current minecraft world gen is both too restrictive to allow for everything to feel 'fresh' and different (it kind of all feels same-y) but at the same time the lack of continents or maybe 'tectonic biomes', leads to random blobs of terrain generation that, again, feel same-y in their generic randomness.

@@pagatryx5451 Yeah. Making generation more island-like would actually be amazing if paired with proper optimization, and it would be the way to make everything look distinctive. Sure, the water may feel empty but we could have a proper overhaul of how water biomes feel. Plus, it's a clear tendency for people to have better specs over time, so why not take advantage of that by optimizating it so we can make large render distances something worth it?

@@pagatryx5451Hmm, imo all the problems I had with the world gen were pretty much solved with the caves and clifs update (cellular automaton style biome placement etc)

@@ibisskb If they ever figure out how to use nanite, all of the performance will be put on the data side instead of the rendering side. Lighting might be wonky but it's still the best option.

@@ibisskb not everyone gets better specs every year, I still have my 5 year old pc and don't plan on upgrading anything anytime soon, minecraft is one of the only games i have problems with in newer updates.

he joined in 2011?

for real. Some of the terrain they made looked amazing but it felt like they settled on something very average. My best guess is that they did not want it to be realistic

@@matejnovosad9152they don’t want a truly realistic world they want a world with the same characteristics form the reality but at the same time want to be fun, if the make a real world 71% of the world would be water, so the chances to get a great map will be low, also if the will be consistent mountains will be around 1000~8000 blocks (1 block 1 meter ) and like that a hundred more things, the extract the main characteristics that make a world look like a world but adapted to a game

What are you going on about? The only examples that were not implemented are the ones that have generation with basic functions. Every other picture they showed im pretty sure I've seen something just like it recently. Like, just go look at any number of crazy seeds people post online, some of them (if not most) are more interesting than anything they showed here.

As much as you think you want to play on a 3d sine wave world, do you really? Rolling out features is hard, you know

@@just-mees I think they were mostly taking about 22:36

It has uses It's easier to send 60 half frames then 30 full frames Atleast this is for cable TV stuff

And it's still kinda meh compared to some modded ones

me too

I also think it would be cool if the sandstone in deserts went down deeper so you can get unique desert caves, maybe even a few new variants of current mobs in them.