Spot on. Dr. C

Vanessa Green But doesn’t it seem that the Bible portrays God as a narcissist? Do it my way or I will punishh you for eternity? Also that character in the Bible that God toldto kill his son to prove his love to him...isn’t that cruel? God constantly needs to be praised because why? Is your gratitude not enough? I think man created God in his image and man is narcissistic, because there are so many stories that make God Out to be a scary monster. Rather than learning and growth. Who needs to have to be worshiped constantly? To fill his ego? It makes no sense to me. Christianity and all other religions are so full of judgment it’s a wonder why so many wars are created because of that, none if it makes sense.

The Ang Endeavor The Bible doesn’t portray God as a narcissist, but those who INTERPRET the Bible often are. In my experience, they often USE the Bible as their tool for narcissistic abuse. Case in point: How many churches have you entered have a statue of Jesus hanging on a cross right above their altar? Its as if they want you to always remember obedience or this will happen to you too. I believe the Bible is a good book, but there are many people who use that book for the wrong reasons. And praise is not for God’s sake, but for ours.

Nailed it.

@@theangendeavor9910 lolololol you tried it

ME TOO!

So much this! I ended up being scapegoated at my former church cause I called out glaring inconsistencies and mistreatment. I was ostracized as well lol Thankfully I don't care about fitting in like that and have an abundance of self-love!

Same here! I actually think that’s the core of my cycle of repeated narcissistic relationships and struggle with boundaries. To my family those in the religion could do no wrong. So setting boundaries was almost impossible.

Thank you for at least realizing it. It’s sad to say that Most people honestly don’t and don’t wanna accept their behavior and never repent and ask the person for forgiveness due to their actions. The religious narc I dealt with never did..

Janice Selbie,your pretty smile can make the news!

@@lioydwilliams1850 ...Pls, make an appointment with Dr.Carter...U need help!... Serious!

Good that you recognised it and admit to it x

Have compassion they actually believe they're doing the right thing. Holding ppl accountable. It was me too 😢

Classic. Dr. C

Both my parents had this point of view.

Word of Faith?

She is God

Jennifer Farrell : Oh, yeah❣. My aunt is Gods CLOSEST confidante...❣

So Glad you found that

Thank God. I'm happy for you.

So glad you found that! Seems similar to what’s unfolding in my marriage. Hope you’re doing well! 🤍

Katherine You could make a fortune selling t-shirts with that printed on there. I'd wear mine to every single friggin church I could find. Oh, the places I would wear it!

John K : You are a halfwit❣. With love from an educated South African❣🐸❣

John K : Yep❣

Good for you 👍😊❤️!!!

@@johnk4934 When someone tells a narc to stop interfering and controlling behaviour, the narc calling on God and accusing the other of intolerance and black and white thinking is the next resort. If 'intolerance' means telling someone to mind their own business, roll on 'intolerance'. It's called asserting appropriate boundaries. Get used to it. Also, John K, you display very sexist attitudes. The term 'ad hominem' means 'towards a PERSON' and is written in the masculine form of the Latin, because its root word Homo is a masculine word.meanin g 'a human'... Explaining Latin grammer is probably above your comfort zone..... If Melany Todd was making an ad hominem to you, the masculine case applies without any doubt. It still would, should a male be making an 'ad hominem' attack on a female. But you could alter the phrase to 'ad femina' if you want to be pedantic and ignore Latin usage. I guess that is up your street.

These people have nothing to do with Christ and his teachings.

Oh, yes❣. My aunt has a "hotline to God". She is sure that God supports her manipulations 100%❣

Religion is the best place for Narcs, because there is a lot more vulnerable individuals that a narcissist can take advantage of.

Oh boy, you know it!

They exploit other people's ignorance while perpetrating their evil against the innocent. Meanwhile ignorant people applaud the evil doer, all while the victim's suffer in silence.

Thank you for these well chosen words. Dr. C

i have told them there is one god .and he is not you or me .

Amen!

Jesus never rejected sufferers or sinners. He did reject hypocrites and judgmental assholes (re: stoning the "adulterous" woman parable).

I’m out of Christianity and wish I knew more , as a Hispanic male of 50 being psychologically targeted by a narcissistic Pentecostal Hispanic mother and one ignorant father in house hold of Controllers .. when i began what was assumed soem calling of God it became a hellish torment and false ideologies that was never corrected en enforce by A narcissistic mother and her forceful views .. just till 2015 I had nasty even that almost landed me in jail and back to where I started from again cause her dumb stupid ass ..!! I’ve had enough and sadly been mentally abuse by these sick people .

My sentiments exactly. Dr. C

I disagree. The church has a responsibility to maintain Biblical principles, or it becomes ineffective even for the lost. It's all about knowing God and approaching Him on His terms, not just about our personal lives and comfort here on this earth. There is a responsibility to purge wickedness to protect the purity of worship - how can believer be equally yoked with unbeliever - same principle. Granted not everyone in church is saved, and not saying throw them out. But when evil people come in and try to control the church, that is a bad thing. If humble, willing to meet God, that's another thing. Depends upon the outsider's intentions. It is entirely possible that a gay person could come into a church just to push their agenda. A church that accepted that would be putting God's word second to human desire.

It’s disgusting!

Shaken Grain you are a small minded thinker. It's sad.

@@danielbartholomew1891 no shaken grain is the religious NARCISSIST that this video is speaking about

The Jehovah's witnesses came to mind when I read that comment

This is so true.when my son was younger his cousin said,I'm not suppose to hang around you because you don't belong in my religion.Now at 43 she is overboard judgemental an very prune face.Her father is a pervert an brother in prison, sister is lose with men.So I don't get how she can turn her nose up to others.

because people started to politicize religion. Back in Paul's day, the disciples stayed away from politics. Paul wasn't trying to become a governor even though he had the popularity to become one

@@cheneethompson5756 you would be correct.

Jim Jones, David Koresh👿

Wolves in sheep's clothing

Wow, I haven't heard that one about Covid yet. But it takes all types. I have met Christians and Non-Christians alike who say such silly things.

And finally we have the only "Winning" answer. Denial and self justification simply overwhelms this type of persons thinking, and hence actions. Which leads to all of these wishful ideas (to try and help these people) that simply never work in the real world. Just like an addict, they change only "If" they finally decide to. Sadly most never do. Of course in the religious fantasy world that fewer and fewer buy into every day, reality needs no actual proof to back it up. Want to feel special, and dare we say superior... no problem. Just claim that you talked to yourself (prayed) about...whatever, and "Gawd" revealed his special brand of truth just to you. Think of Joseph Smith and his magic plates here if you question that enough people will actually ignore reason, logic, and common sense, and simply buy into this horse shit. Most humans are so incredibly naïve and gullible that it is simply astonishing that we ever become the most destructive, er, I mean dominate species on earth. And now you can "Never" be wrong about anything, ever, as you have the Sky fairies blessing on virtually everything. Talk about having "Church lady" syndrome. It must feel awful empowering to have that much imagined power. Is it any wonder that they will never even consider questioning any of their beliefs or choices...? Proof? Ha, I have something better, I have wishful and wilful ignorance on my side. For brevity sake lets just call it my faith. Again Juno Cat for the win. The only viable choice is to completely, as in 100%.... DISSASSOCIATE with/from them. Permanently, as in, for good. Think of them as cancer.

Or else say to them “Strange, I spoke to God this morning, and He said something different. Bless you!” And then smile and walk away

This relationship is very Addictive and mentally dangerous...

Not when you're her caregiver. But she's almost 90. She has 3 sons. She's got 2 who don't share her mentality. But one,who's very active in their church and his wife and kids think like her. Well 2 out of three ain't bad.

@@angelawatson1594 lOL!! That really makes them mad!! They hate it when you prove them wrong by using the bible, Koran, etc.

I am happy for you... I am just identifying them...

You 🚶‍♂️ go 🚶‍♂️ 👏 more power to you 💪 👏

isn't that the truth...

Makes me sick that i ever wished peace for anyone

@earth ocean Reps often express their politics in religious terms. that their party is a faith in its own right

@earth ocean Democrats embrace the Constitutional law of separation of church and state. Far-right Republicans ignore it.

I was in a relationship with a narcissistic “Christian” for 3+ years. We met at church and were friends for 7 years before he initiated the relationship. He knew my life story and my weaknesses and preyed on them to get what he wanted. He led me into a sexual relationship, knowing that I was in love with him … not knowing then that he is a narcissist. He is a Biblical counselor at our church!!! And, of course, he managed to get out of going through counseling as part of his training. He told me to tell no one of our relationship and that we would not “label” it either … so he never called me his GF or even significant other. Two months ago, when I told him I wanted to be BF/GF to be able to tell my loved ones about our relationship, he IMMEDIATELY, THOROUGHLY and PERMANENTLY ended the relationship, on the spot … threw me out like TRASH. As I was leaving he said, “don’t do anything weird at the church.” I could go on and on … he revealed his true self and I told the church leadership what he did to me, and thanks to God, they will be suspending his counseling and calling him to account. Stay away from those overly charming and perfectly humble “Christians” … they are masters of deceit, deception and deceitfulness … LIES!

My narc mother found a narc pastor for counseling bc I begged her... Both attacked me ten minutes after meeting pastor Bass Turd Mike J. Sutherland @ Mill Creek Church on s St in Bakersfield CA

So true!

Sounds like a good setup for narcissim.

THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH

I love what you shared.

I just wanted to share this little inside knowledge for some people who may not know, but Dr Carters dad was a pastor or a minister while he and his brother were growing up! So I think it's super great that he covers this topic because I'm sure there were times while growing up that he saw people acting in such ways. ( NOT at all saying his dad did because CLEARLY his parents raised a great person!)

no, its "how can I use this to benefit me"

Funny how the rules can change. Dr. C

Legalism

People change, if you let them. You're still carrying that baggage, is she? Oh, wait, that's a Buddhist thing. And a Xhrist thing. Forgive me the spelling?

You are right on when you say hypocrites! That they are. Smh!

No-one has the authority to dictate a woman's reproductive rights.

You're not alone. Dr. C

Exactly my thoughts. This forum has become more about bashing Christians than narcicist who are Christians,because you can be both. I see quite a few who quote about God is Love and not right or wrong. Part True, Part wrong. God IS Love, yet his Love is not an excuse or pass to continue to sin. Yes, we all make mistakes and still Jesus died for our sins and demands that we all seek to do better purposely & not only make excuses that we repeatedly make mistakes as our out. As for narcissism and religion, many narcicist do actually love & serve God and still have the disorder & sadly use it as an excuse for many of their actions. There is no all or nothing at all. I know a few who can be really wonderful people who help others & take care of their families, but still at times (not all do all the time) use religion to justify certain things (ex. The husband being the head (the Bible does say that), but for a narcicist it can turn into their reason why certain decisions get to be only their way (saying the wife is challenging him) when he still should have the respect to discuss things with his wife since the whole family is affected. As the old saying goes " you can be happy or you can be right". Lol.

I'm not an expert, but I'd say read some of Jesus's descriptions of the Pharisees for a good start. If they hold very legalistic views then there's a chance they maybe using religion as an excuse or disguise.

My narc exhusband used religiosity to keep me under him I'm writing a book about the man of the cloth mask, because that's what a narcissistic man hides behind. I have many more examples of how they operate. One is to use scripture against the other person. Like if I wasn't doing everything to run the household, laen, school for 4 sons, clean, cook, homework, he would still tell me I wasn't a good help- meet for him. Also his angry outbursts, he would blame on me. When confronted later, ask me how quickly can I forgive. But he would never have remorse, just do it again the next day,up to 490 times.

We had a little pamphlet by a prominent Christian leader in the 1980's, and that's where he started this "how fast can you forgive" stuff. Except he kept at me, I was the only one forgiving all the stuff he did towards me, but still have to be pleasant and nice to him when he didn't deserve it.

My sibling (the narcissist) has done that. Use religion to justify her actions. Both to me (the scapegoat) and her significant other. It's despicable! I wish I could find a way to let her S.O. what he is dealing with! He is such a nice guy who apparently doesn't know what he is dealing with or perhaps knows by now and is trapped by her. I have cut all ties with her to save my sanity. So I would be definitely stepping over boundaries by informing him. But it does concern me. Anyway..lest I go off into another direction. I too was hoping the same of the video being about narcissists using religion rather than bashing religion. I'm new at identifying traits (thank you to all YT posts!) l I've learned THE most by videos. I'm very grateful! Be safe everyone!

I would invite her to come to my place to read the bible and have a drink or two .

Good for you 👍🏾

Thank you……. You just taught me a valuable lesson.

@@JM-vj7we Really? How?

@WolfThorn Back in Nov 1995 when we had first moved into an apartment together, she convinced me that the apartment was haunted by a demon who hates women. And that this demon wanted to keep us from being together. We would fight like mad when at home, but we'd go drive off in the car and everything would be fine. She claimed to see things moving and convinced me that the apartment had an oppressive air about it because it was inhabited by something that hated us. We reasoned that if it was trying to divide us that we should just get married and that would bring an end to the torment. Got engaged in late January and married in April. Of course that changed nothing. We always had fights at weird times and places, which made me believe in her claims that demons inhabited certain places and that bad things happened when we went some places and not in other places. Looking back, I'm amazed at the lengths she went through to fabricate this elaborate manipulative act. From that point forward, she always used her "spiritual sensitivity" as evidence to give that she knew what was the right thing to do and what God wanted for us. And this was just the tip of the iceberg. Fifteen long and terrible years later, she finally lost her grip on me and left. And that began the horrifying procedure of gaining some control over my own life while also struggling to not be destroyed in the family court and have my daughter taken away. I could write a huge book about the craziness in my life over the decades. It's an unbelievable tale that I wish I had the capacity to get out there so everyone knows what kind of stuff can happen if you get together with one of these women.

this happens the other way round too, sadly

@WolfThorn ??????

God keeps people's heart issues confidential. He's not a gossip like people are

Yep. The Charismatic Movement is so dangerous…same thing happened to my brother and now he’s really messed up. IHOP and all.

Thank you. Dr. C

Cynthia Yakushev - More accurately: "Be not deceived; "Evil stories corrupt upright minds."

IN ACTS: FOLLOW GOD. NOT HUMANS.

THAT IS IT!

Absolutely!! Thank you.

"God knows" is the biggest excuse for all of the evil and wickedness that just covers this earth!

My flying monkey sister likes that phrase also.

you realize you can use that phrase right back right? You can add in, "yes, he knows that I love him and I don't do anything to purposefully hurt him or others" and then follow up with, "God knows your heart as well..." and then walk away...

True. What a cop-out. 'this is why I can make bad decisions (knowing so), and it be ok.'

A good comeback, is "Yes, and God knows my heart, too."

Are you nuts? Church attendance is way way way up.

@@susan5560 established churches are shrinking. The 'new' ones start up but will implode as well. People will realize it's a huge time & money / talent suck & walk away.

@@timewa851 WTF are you talking about? Is that a reason to turn your back on God?

@@susan5560 God is in a building waiting for me to walk in?

@@timewa851 Not that I know of.

Joan And they probably think he is wonderful. Luckily, you can be his X, smile, and watch from afar.

I'm sorry you've had such a bad experience with Christians. However not all ppl they say they are a christian is truly a christian. Not everyone that goes to church is a christian. But also not every one that is a christian are on the same growth level. A new christian is not going to act the same as a 30 yr christian. Also you are as christlike as you want to be. Some Christians are more christlike than others. Basically you are as close to God as you want. Sadly some Christians don't want to be that close. So those are probably the kind of ppl you've run into

Cleveland, I hear you. I never met anyone with your compassion when I was young. When I complained to my boyfriend how abusive my parents were, he told me he thought I was over reacting. Sadly, I married him anyway. 40 years later, after all this research on narcissism, I’m getting out. I notice my spouse always chooses very faithful loving Christians as best friends... that way? What? They always assume the best? and never question his lies? A sex addict who gets to pretend he’s the best because all his friends are the best. He picked me because of my faith and forgiveness, but was never faithful. I guess this is the opposite of what you meant, but I’ve certainly seen what you have described. It’s sad.

Wait. Your girlfriend had a husband? That first part is a little unclear. Thanks for sharing.

@@treyb3693 probably meant galpal

So pleased! Dr. C

OMG I have never heard of someone having their virginity verified! That's ludicrous. (I am a Christian and and have dated non-Christians bc I was in love.) There is not way to prove virginity scientifically anyway so that seems odd that doctors would comply.

This is me, thank you for sharing. Feels a little less lonely in this world.

I’m truly jealous of you. I hope to get there one day. It’s so painfully obvious how little my dad respects me when we talk. I know I have to detach and not take it seriously, but it’s hard. I wanna be heard but he doesn’t care. He tells me God will punish me for marrying a no Christian woman. I had an ex pass away (after the fact) and it killed me. Just yesterday my dad said that was an example of God punishing me for a non Christian relationship. He said the same thing would happen to my soon to be fiancé. Imagine your dad telling you that… Anyways. Just venting. I hope to figure it out like you have.

I'm happy for you. My fundamentalist religious mother has this overly parental view over me like she owns me and I must submit all the time just because she brought me in this life and I owe her, and I'm in my thirties. Always lording over me, telling me all the time "you don't live for yourself, you don't die for yourself" and it drives me insane. I'm really at the point of eventually shunning, cuz it's too much.

Sad but true, some people have that odd combination..."Christian" but mean. Dr. C

I've got a MIL straight from hell. She's totally messed up her son. But he's in therapy now. Hardest thing is him coming to terms she'll never love him

Rainbow Magick I’m glad he recognized. The father of my child is exactly like his mother and he terrorizes my daughter and I . We are counting down the days until she is 18.

@@shannonshepherd5007 my heart goes out to you. My mother is a flying monkey for two different narcissist in my family. It's so hard when you can't just walk away from the narcissist.

Organizations that purport to assist the vulnerable are hotbeds of malignant narcissism. They're fruitful places for narcs to hunt for targets to abuse.

Julie Jen. Morality is knowing right from wrong and practicing accordingly. Wisdom is the proper application of knowledge. I ain't no bible thumper but I know that

Kelli And THAT is the blessing in our experiences with these vile people.

Indeed! I would say; you can't love anyone if you don't love yourself. Which seems to be the case with this kind of people

@@sabina.T There are people who truly love God in a pure way. Out of that flows love.

The sadder truth is there is the reality facet to religion wherein I am frequently attacked for not being a Christian, for following my native cultural spirituality. I agree with Surviving Narcissism in that someone's beliefs become VIP member like thinking, like sheeple u better get in line and when u don't it means that I don't have the same capacities as a Christian (for ex,) to do what's humanly decent, telling the truth (the Bible truth usually,) etc. So ty Simon, u reminded me with your attempt to make it appear as tho anyone in your club is good and me not so good. You prove the point for us all. Condundrum indeed for Simon, who forgets it is possible that I (and others) can and DO love others without loving your God because I have a different SPIRITUALITY and belief system. This is where a Christian person usually tells me "I will pray for you," "God loves you anyway and so do I." And a plethora of darts and Barb's, parting shots that imply that because I don't sheeple and bend to your belief system, I will he singled out and ridiculed and worse.

Quite true. Dr. C

@@noemamamaka3368 My comment had nothing to do with you. Please don't send hate my way.

who said do not love?tell me

Same here. Me...5 hrs later..."Oh Shoot! Gotta Make Dinner!"😁😂😍

I always learn something new or deeper when I listen to Dr Carter's videos. Thank You, Dr. Carter.

Thanks Vicki. See if you can find on my other channel the video, What Does It Mean To Be Spiritual? It takes the discussion a bit further. Dr. C

Yes, it's what all law is built upon (ideally). Dr. C

YES. This is why I like Jesus a whole lot.

I love Jesus. Total gangsta

Sorry to inform you but that story is fake

She wasn't a "hooker". She was a Priestess.

The sad thing about Jesus was that he was a megalomanical narcissist who manipulated superstitious and naive people into his own cult.

Reminds me of my religious narcissist mother who said I wasn't saved but didn't ask if I was a Christian. She acted like she is God and can see who's saved and who isn't. She felt that a church member who used to be my friend but no longer isnt had two kids out of wedlock while being a member of her church was more saved than I was according to her. I'm glad I'm no longer a member of her church. She is not all seeing and all knowing. She is not God.

Yes. Dr. C

Where ?

@@brendasmith7345 Try Red Rocks Church. They've got sermons on youtube if you're curious.

Sarah Romano Not curious at all ever again and for the love of God please don’t pray for me.

Churches like you described, They're quite rare, extremely rare..churches that welcoming (not fake love bombing) are not common...the church in America is largely a joke....let's face reality here

Thank you. Dr. C

At least right now, I am wont to say that this video is the most important reach-out in cyberspace. 'Hyperbolic,' one might say. Well, maybe. Perhaps some rare video featuring the unadorned words of the very subject/object of Christianity, to wit, its founder Jesus Christ--and in such a style as to both get attention and to enter into the human heart--is more important. Be that as it may, good Sir Psychologist, you come close enough with the words of Paul. Whether it was the (unlikely!) apostle's intention or not: in 1 Corinthians 13 we get a description of the Son of Man (but also Son of God) Himself. For this is how Jesus interacted at all times and in all places with hated tax collectors, whores, not just judgmental but murderously condemning religious leaders, with pagan (hostile Roman) occupiers of the Jewish state, with members of a supposedly inferior culture (Samaritans), sincere and unsincere rich people, a weak but redeemable besr friend who betrayed, et al., etc. To the thoroughgoing and lucid mind the historical figure, Jesus of Nazareth, can thus (with intellectual honesty) only be regarded as this world's biggest loser or fool or scammer...OR: as the most radical mover and shaker of the human mind and heart so far, on this planet anyway. But I want to propose something more than this summary of an apologetics for Jesus. I believe He, as Son of Man like you and i, at least smiles when we try and have His back for a change. I.e., it's a standsrd part of any mutual friendship. I said that on purpose. Why? Bc a thought like that is more or less blasphemy under most of the 800+ theologies of Christendom. Since the Roman Emperor Cinstantine anyway. We'll remember how he--by around 400 c.e.--, in a lopsided balance of power with the Roman sect of not one but many different Christianities negotiated an agreement. The Roman Christian authorities had to accept the version of the Christian God, or godhead, he (Constantine) closely supervised into existence. I (with more others than one might think) find this new and highly reductionist version of "Our Father who art in heaven," Jesus the "only begotten'" of this father, and the Holy Spirit to raise far many more questions than it answers. So, fast forward to the 1500s. Yet another Catholic monk, beyond Luther and Calvin that is, firsr thought long and hard about Constantine's realignment of the Christian godhead so that it roughly corresponded with the 3 main Roman-Pagan, abstract, mythical deities. Our Spanish monk's French-icized name was Jean Servet. Jusr recently the Swiss federal government and the Geneva cantonal government bent to pressure brought to bear by Spanish and other highly determined contemporary sympathizers of the long dead monk Servitus. For Jean Servet was ordered burnt at the stake by Reformed theologian Jean Calvin. The heinous crime? Servet's repeated refusal to retract on the more relatable, the more logical, the more warmhearted, yes: dare we say: the more biblical, the more originary, the more empathizing, the more immanent human ideation of the Christian God. Better: of the Christian godhead. This restored the view of a son AND a separate very real father (= real "aliens" on some higher planet if you will) that had actually been through ALL(+) you, I, all my parents and your parents, all our grandchildren etc etc have gone through or will have to go through from the moment of birth until our (certain) death some time in the future. Why, then, is this video of yours of such urgent importance? Bc you have a thoroughly class-act southern accent that you wear discreetly (the "better part of valor"!) and yet shamelessly (in the good sense 😉). A littlr humor is called for at this juncture; "lest we perish of the truth." (Credit Mr Nietzsche, oh my!) In all its awful seriousness: you put your finger on, and then into perhaps the #1 source of events that traumatize--that debilitate American homo sapiens. That is, humans like I, you, yo mama, my dad, my son, your daughter, my bestie, your bestie girlfriend-maybe-spouse of 40+ years. (Am best-guessing; with no doubt of your pardon in advance..as if "predestined.") What might that source be? Let me go anecdotal instead of ideological-professorial-ideational academi

You ain’t alone. I grew up the same way

You tell jokes really well. Dr. C

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Which usually comes from the most evil person in an any-mile radius

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Yes, they're just like little "popes"....INFALLIBLE!!

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MendingMinistry Thank you!! I was watching some of her stuff but it got a bit too heavy. It has to fully line up with Scripture for me to keep listening. She’s amazing, and speaks LOADS of truth every parent should hear, esp about the school system!! Thank you again for responding. I’m going to read Jan Sylvous book again because I need it again. Lol. God bless you!

God has turned them over to a reprobate mindset theres no turning back for them!

@@narconaterx8146 This is exactly the sort of scripture that is used to control and abuse by the Church.

There are many ways to find God's goodness. Dr. C

Your dad will accept it eventually. I had a menorah and a tree. So I became atheist to respect others beliefs. Now we have a huge family with all sorts of custom not just Jewish!

We're on the same page!!

sofia morgan. Oh Yeah! Watchtower just adores us, Critical Thinking Ex-JWs!( Says Me, Sarcastically). But, You are Correct. Outside Researching, Questioning and Outright Disagreeing with All Watchtower Teachings and Expectations will get One; Reproved and Chastized and In Most Cases, Disfellowshipped and Shunned. What Evidence Of Love and Acceptance and Christ-Like Behaviour? None Existent.

sofia morgan. Are You aware of JT and Lady Cee's videos on You Tube? He is a Former Elder/Bethelite that addresses a lot of the issues of Watchtower's Indoctrination and does so by means of Critical Thinking. He is also very Pleasant to listen to and Informed. Check him out, If You haven't already.

Sparkle Canada Thank you. I will do that.

Grew up in it too, horrible harmful cult.

Love that " I believe the individual you label used "religious narcissist" would be narcissist in any rhealm anyway". So true. Can't throw out Christianity just bc of the people who "use" it for their twisted benefit.

Kim E in Aspen,you got a lovely smile

Oh, the stories I could tell you! So many Christians fail to understand what Adam's fall was about...wishing to be in control, becoming self absorbed, blame shifting, having no regard for the other, creating a False Self over there in the bushes....just for starters. Dr. C

Tou still have the free will to leave. Too many people atay out of fear or financial stability. No one should put up with abuse unless they are held captive. Best of luck.

Susan I appreciate your words of concern @Susan There are complicated circumstances involved here. Can’t explain in too many details here for obvious reasons. I really despise the masks that he wears. Sure, it’s off with me now, but many many other people hold him in very high regard. He behaves so respectable in a highly respectable job. Plus, at church he wears a mask there, too. They have no clue of his real self. Dr. Carter is so right; my husband’s childhood trauma as a little boy has simmered, festered, and morphed into something unimaginable. Peace to you, Susan 🙏😞🕊

I really like that! Pride is the worst !!!

That's a lot of typing. Thanks for sharing! Dr. C

What a great wordsmith! Thanks for sharing!

Nancy Clay 😎

Nancy Clay did you write this poem?

Why was he in your room in the first place? Dr. C

Many push their controlling agenda, then hide behind the God excuse. Dr. C

That's such a barbaric view of God. Dr. C

In a couple of weeks I'll be uploading a new video about how religious narcissists will gaslight you.

Isn't it cute how God only talks to busybodies?