Remember when GPUs were exciting?!?! RTX 4090 vs 3090 in 2024: The Ultimate Comparison!!!

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The RTX 4090 was an exciting product that crushed its predecessor at launch, while introducing new technologies like DLSS 3 Frame Generation, all while only increasing the MSRP by less than the inflation adjusted pricing. Shockingly, it may even have been held back in launch reviews by CPUs of the time being unable to keep up, even at 4K resolution. How does the 3090 vs 4090 comparison stack up in 2024, in the latest games, with the latest technologies? Let's find out!
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Chapters:
0:00 The 4090 was actually an exciting upgrade over its predecessor!
2:01 Which GPU cooler models am I testing?
4:01 Alan Wake 2 4K High with RT High DLSS P
4:32 Alan Wake 2 1440p High with RT High DLSS Q
5:00 Alan Wake 2 1080p High with RT High
5:27 Alan Wake 2 4K High
5:54 Alan Wake 2 4K High DLSS Q
6:21 Alan Wake 2 1440p High
6:49 Alan Wake 2 1440p High DLSS Q
7:16 Alan Wake 2 1080p High
7:43 Cyberpunk 2077 4K RT Overdrive DLSS P
8:10 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p RT Overdrive DLSS Q
8:37 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p RT Overdrive
9:05 Lords of the Fallen 4K Ultra
9:32 Lords of the Fallen 4K High
9:59 Lords of the Fallen 4K Ultra DLSS Q
10:26 Lords of the Fallen 4K Ultra DLSS P
10:53 Lords of the Fallen 1440p Ultra
11:21 Lords of the Fallen 1440p High
11:48 Lords of the Fallen 1440p Ultra DLSS Q
12:15 Lords of the Fallen 1080p Ultra
12:42 Avatar 4K Ultra
13:09 Avatar 4K Ultra DLSS Q
13:36 Avatar 4K High
14:05 Avatar 4K High DLSS Q
14:31 Avatar 1440p Ultra
14:58 Avatar 1440p High
15:25 Avatar 1080p Ultra
15:52 Starfield 4K Ultra
16:20 Starfield 4K Ultra DLSS Q
16:47 Starfield 1440p Ultra
17:14 Starfield 1440p Ultra DLSS Q
17:41 Starfield 1080p Ultra
18:08 Baldur's Gate 3 4K Ultra
18:36 Baldur's Gate 3 1440p Ultra
19:03 Resident Evil 4 Remake 4K Max
19:30 Resident Evil 4 Remake 1440p Max
19:57 Resident Evil 4 Remake 1080p Max
20:24 CoD MW3 4K Basic
20:51 CoD MW3 1440p Basic
21:19 CoD MW3 1080p Basic
21:50 Final Thoughts

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@danielowentech 2 ай бұрын

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@robertmacdonald345 2 ай бұрын

Good Video, Just a few things, Maybe people should be More " Realistic " when it comes to buying a GFX card .... 1) Are the list of your games being played Going to Use Ray tracing, And Are you brainwashed into THINKING you need RayTracing? 2) Are you a Video Editor/Streamer and similar that needs the Type of Power that the RTX 4090 can offer? 3) Are You trying to become a Professional gamer 4) Do you Have a 4K High Refresh rate Monitor 5) Are you just a person that likes the " Bragging " rights for owning a 4090? Lastly, If you played games for years on PC before anyone of these New ?? cards came out and Had fun, then why the need to spend Hundreds more. Don't believe the Hype/advertising Bullshit, when you peel away the Veneer, it's that Same damn product with a new badge That's it...... I am willing to Bet that if a Sony rep knocked on your door and Gave you a Decked Out PS5 and 1 yr Game Sub, You would be playing those Games religiously, and how much would that cost, for me approx $800 Far less then the cost of a 4090

2 ай бұрын

Hey Daniel, to be honest - why should we care about MSRP, if there's no way to get a GPU for this price, because nVidia controls and shifts the market the way they want, to shift what everyone has to pay for their products. 😅🤷‍♂ Here in Germany you pay 25-40% above MSRP ... what a pity. Do you make a serious video just to give us good content or is it about nonsens, to get some profit from your partnership with JAWA?^^ Naahhh ... I guess the lines between are thin, very thin. I would stay realistic ... I mean nVidia RTX 4090 listed for 1.749€ ... but on the market for 2.249€ is 28,59% above MSRP... I would never ever compare MSRP. This is not a NEW effect which made it's way into the market with the release of the 4000-Series, this had also existed while 3000-Series was released. The moment I bought my RTX 3090 Ti, it was "only" 8% above the official MSRP, but at this price it was never seen again, so the prices came not even closer onto MSRP as this. - This situation doesn't became better with the 4000-Series... of cause not. But "sight" 😔 it's maybe easy to make it as simple as possible by comparing MSRPs, if you didn't had to pay for every GPU you got, because you got luck to get samples for free. It's then more easy right. And by the way: To rump, bluster or even to raor is better for kids, to do it outside of the house. That's what my parents teached me in my childhood and it makes sense, so I'm teaching it as well.

@Yukeena 2 ай бұрын

Jawa is a huge ripoff! They give you peanuts for your GPU!

@user-bl4kt7iz3i 2 ай бұрын

Yeah I just checked to see what i would receive for my 4080 super and they offered $600 😂

@Osprey850 2 ай бұрын

Like a pawn shop, they have to in order to turn around and re-sell it. You'll always get a lot less than you would selling it to the end user directly (ex. thru eBay). Just as I'd never sell anything to a pawn shop, I'd never sell my GPU to Jawa, but other people may prefer to not worry about listing theirs, being accountable to the buyer or potentially dealing with non-paying buyers.

@Prince-ox5im 2 ай бұрын

Lmao😂

@Yukeena 2 ай бұрын

@@Osprey850 True...they do need to make their money back, but I don't think the convenience and safety is worth the amount they give you thats just me though.

@HanmaHeiro 2 ай бұрын

@@user-bl4kt7iz3i They wanted like 800 for my Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090

@mistarbeanz 2 ай бұрын

Anyone remember when you had people saying "the 3090 isn't a gaming card / isn't meant for gaming!"?

@Angel7black 2 ай бұрын

Tbf, that kinda did make sense in theory. The 3080 performed super similar and made it irrelevent, there was like a 20 percent gap between the 3080 and the 3090 Ti, with the 3080 Ti being 5 percent off the 3090 and 3090 Ti being 5 percent faster than a 3090 i think. The only reason to buy it was productivity due to extra cores and 24gb of vram vs 10 and 12gb. That and mining. The 3090 will go down as one of the best crypto investments of all time. Basically paid for itself and was a money printer for almost 2 years. Is it fucked up that was a thing? Absolutely, but thats what happened. It really wasnt a card people actually bought for gaming at the end of the day lol. The 4090 on the other hand is the first true 4K gaming card, as in the first and only GPU to exist that actually is an optimal 4K card instead of some glorified 1440p high refresh rate card that needs to play at a mix of medium/high settings in a lot of games and look worse than 1440p high or ultra. Yeah the 3090 was a trash card for gamers, but for productivity and mining it definitely had its purpose

@Anankin12 2 ай бұрын

@@Angel7blackthe 3090, 3090 Ti, 4080, 4080 Super are all 4K cards though. The 4070, 4070 Super, 4070 Ti and 4070 Ti Super are a weird bunch: all of them perform similar or better than a 3090, but only in 1080p. At 1440p they get stunted and at 4K they fall off, due to the 192 bit bus and 3 of them because of the "just" 12GB of memory. More lik3 the 4090 is the first actually RTX card, even though it's just barely

@CrusterfunkShenanigans 2 ай бұрын

@@Angel7black I dont feel my 3090 is or was a trashcard for gaming rly , still enjoying it loads and hopefully will untill 6090 comes ;)

@elysian3623 2 ай бұрын

@@CrusterfunkShenanigans based on the way that modern games are getting we'll be lucky if the 3090 or 6950xt from last gen will make it to 6000 nvidia or 9000 amd

@CrusterfunkShenanigans 2 ай бұрын

@@elysian3623 very valid point, but I am lucky enough to have a backlog on my steamlibrary that I need two or more lifetimes for to complete them all.🍀

@OrjonZ 2 ай бұрын

4090 is one of those GPUs Nvidia launches right after AMD looks to have a come back. For example Fury X was very close to 980 Ti, so they released 1080 Ti for good price. 6900 XT was close to 3090. It also just happens that AMD cant seem to execute more than 1 generation. Both Vega and RDNA3 underdelivered.

@Angel7black 2 ай бұрын

RDNA1 was also ass, but people made every excuse for how broken that architecture was with all the bugs. So far the only tome it feels like AMD can actually put out solid GPUs is when Sony hold’s their hand. By that I mean Polaris and RDNA2 which were GPUs used for the PS4(pro specifically i think) and PS5. Sony and Microsoft would not have accepted half cooked GPUs for their consoles

@qubes8728 2 ай бұрын

So true, 4090 just there to troll Radeon. I imagine one of those slap fights where the tough guys quickly learns to stay in his. TBH though, AMD don’t want to beat Nvidia, they just wanna get close enough so they can charge nvidia like prices and continue to push up prices. Win win for both companies. Remember, amd releases after nvidia as a pricing tactic. If they wanted to compete on performance they go hard and release on the same day and throw down but they don’t.

@dieaking6475 2 ай бұрын

still went with a 7800xt nitro + desktop use it next to my 4060 laptop.

@789uio6y 2 ай бұрын

@@moldetaco2281 1080ti so isn't double the performance in resterision then 980ti but you still call it legendary. 4090 is very close to double in restoration any ways, and with RT can even give you more then double like in Alan wake 2. Also in my opinion 4090 is much more impressive than 1080ti and is bigger leap than 1080ti was.

@ryanspencer6778 2 ай бұрын

The only reason RDNA2 wasn't also bad in comparison to Ampere is because AMD had a big node advantage with TSMC 7nm vs Samsung 8nm. If Ampere were also on TSMC then Nvidia would have destroyed AMD like they did with Ada vs RDNA3.

@V-O-I-Dgaming 2 ай бұрын

4090 could’ve been the GOAT if they didn’t price it so crazy Edit: I didn’t think this would blow up, so let me clarify to the people calling me broke that I OWN a 4090 🤣

@mistarbeanz 2 ай бұрын

Sounds like someone watched the recent Gamers Nexus video

@RiceCubeTech 2 ай бұрын

@@mistarbeanz don’t need to watch a gamers nexus video to come to that conclusion lol. Performance is there but the fps per dollar isn’t. Don’t need a KZfaqr to tell you that

@Swampyballs69 2 ай бұрын

hot take. 1600$ isn’t too much especially if we woulda gotten a 1200 4080ti, 4090 is just fine at the retail msrp. those cards are supposed to be for the few that can afford it. i do have a problem with 1000-1200$ 4080/4080 supers though

@everythingpony 2 ай бұрын

It is GOAT

@charizard6969 2 ай бұрын

80% performance against 3090 is actually insane tho, 4090 is the goat for me, I can for real throw ewe at it and that fucker still surprises me

@jonboy602 2 ай бұрын

5:20 - This could be the tiniest Daniel has ever been in these videos. What will the future hold?

@josedeleon1923 2 ай бұрын

If only those gains applied to every tier

@gametime4316 2 ай бұрын

they are, if u calculate vs the actual replaced GPU by die size and memory interface. 3050 (GA107 200MM 128bit) -> 4060 (AD107 159MM 128bit ) +60%! 3050 (GA107 200MM 128bit) -> 4060ti (AD106 200MM 128bit ) + 90% !! 3060 (GA106 280MM 192bit) -> 4070ti (AD104 294MM 192bit ) + 128% !!! (with extreme TDP push) 3070 (GA104 392MM 256 bit) - 4080 (AD103 379MM 256bit) + 93% !! 3090 (GA102 628MM 384 bit) -> 4090 (AD102 609MM 384bit) + 64% ( maybe thermal or power limit by choice and 4090 is more cut down then 3090) if u look at the right numbers u can see how amazing are Ada Lovelace and TSMC 5NM, too bad that NV had no real competition so they took small dies built them on a good PCBs and coolers, overclock them to the moon and sell them for X2 the price.

@walter1824 2 ай бұрын

@@gametime4316 Where`s the 4070 ?

@Anankin12 2 ай бұрын

@@gametime4316yes but price wise the 4060 is more than a 3060, so you're still getting fucked. The only card that did work is the 4090

@gametime4316 2 ай бұрын

@@walter1824 just a cut down 4070 ti, it would have compared to a cut 3060 12gb if there was one

@gametime4316 2 ай бұрын

@@Anankin12 price and names are last moment decision. think like: here is a AD107, it is tiny but it is stronger than 3060 by ~20% and our insiders think it will compete well with a 250-270$ card from AMD. "ok call it 4060 and sell it for 300$ (we have DLSS, RT, nv premium bla bla bla )" if it's go well its stays, if not it will drop a bit in price or will be replaced with a cut down higher tier die with a super/ti name. Ada Lovelace is amazingly good and efficient, RDNA3 is a flop, nvidia used it to sell lower overclocked GPU at extreme prices. why ? because they can.

@legendaryzero2730 2 ай бұрын

I got a used EVGA 3090 for 650$ last summer. Used for only 6 months in a mining rig and still had warranty on it. Really happy with it

@stevieC11Hanworth 2 ай бұрын

Warrant isn't valid unless you bought it from new

@legendaryzero2730 2 ай бұрын

@@stevieC11Hanworth Thats the new policy. At the time of buying EVGA hadnt updated its policy yet. EVGA had transferrable warranty on its cards. I placed it in my name after buying it. As long as you have proof that you bought it from the original owner you get the warranty which i have. I even called to make sure. I dont need it anyway.

@stevieC11Hanworth 2 ай бұрын

@@legendaryzero2730 okay thanks. A good deal 👌 I paid 3k for my 3090 lol. Happy gaming

@Noa15Lv 2 ай бұрын

@@stevieC11Hanworth 3k for 3090? Craaazy! I bought mine used aswell for 500 Euros. Now every 3090 goes from 600Euros and above here in Baltics.

@stevieC11Hanworth 2 ай бұрын

@@Noa15Lvlol. In my defence it is the top of the range 3090 Rog strix white OC brand new from Ebuyer. 3 series is the goat of Nvidia happy gaming in sunny baltic. Edit confused baltic to balkans not so sunny in baltic regions

@razorhanny 2 ай бұрын

I was eager to watch a video like this. Your knowledge and commitment to GPU performance reviews are unparalleled. I have the exact same Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090 since launch and it has been a superb experience. Thank you!

@MrAnimescrazy 2 ай бұрын

What are the rest of your specs?

@lullabyX86 2 ай бұрын

Ayo I have the same card and playing Alan wake 2 rn. Coming from a 1050 laptop, it feels bonkers. I had to play apex legends at 720p low and barely got 60fps in my laptop and now the fan doesn't even bother to spin in the lobby at 4k everything maxed out

@MrAnimescrazy 2 ай бұрын

@@lullabyX86 that is a huge upgrade.

@robertspencer1802 2 ай бұрын

I bought a 3090 used for 840 dollars about a year ago and love it, I hope to buy a 4090 at close to the same price in another year or so.

@chadwolf3840 Ай бұрын

Great stuff bro. Love content like this.

@nadrojekrubify 2 ай бұрын

Its kind of crazy how demanding games have become graphically over the last couple years. I bought a 3090 a little over a year ago to run Cyberpunk maxed out and now most new games if they have RT I'm unable to have RT active if i want a consistent 60+ frames. Not having RT isnt a deal breaker for me but I'm curious to see if this trend will continue

@swingdaddy2126 Ай бұрын

I do not think RT should even be a selling point until it can be implemented in a way your FPS does not tank. yeah it looks real good on some games but other games i can not really tell it is on but I can sure see my FPS drop.

@mgk-metalgearkelly5054 2 ай бұрын

Could you do this same test suite 3090 vs 4080, might be interesting to see how much perf you're giving up in heavy RT workloads for that extra VRAM. 🤔

@kxiju8531 2 ай бұрын

Hi Daniel, as always I am enjoying your videos. How well do you personally see the new battlemage gpus sitting, and do you think it is worth waiting for them to release? I have 700 dollars to readily spend but am unsure if I should wait for new completion to change the market.

@rumsbumsrums 2 ай бұрын

For 700$ you can get a 7900XT. I don't think any Battlemage GPU will reach this level of performance yet.

@stefannita3439 2 ай бұрын

As the other commenter said I don't think Battlemage will compete at that price point. I'm more interested in what AMD has up their sleeve with the upcoming AI-based upscaling release, and if Radeon 8000 series will be significantly better at taking advantage of it than 7000 series (more AI cores or architectural advantage). Both of these generations of GPUs should come out in the second half of this year

@lifemocker85 2 ай бұрын

jewtel is going to suk like always

@WaveSmash 2 ай бұрын

Still want a 4090 tho lol

@ejczi 2 ай бұрын

i've just bought it, couldnt be happier!

@WaveSmash 2 ай бұрын

@@ejczi Give me one lol

@Crimsongz 2 ай бұрын

I got the 4080 super and it’s really awesome too !

@HippoKing1991 2 ай бұрын

Elec bill sure doesnt want to be introduced

@Alp577 2 ай бұрын

@@HippoKing19914090 isn’t that bad. Some just crank it to ridiculous OC with little gain. Mine runs at undervolt 300W in an ITX case with the same FPS and rendering speed as stock.

@aaronlow789 2 ай бұрын

Bought a used RTX 3090 a little over a year ago for around $560. At 3440x1440 resolution, it's more than adequate in most games at max settings, looks like it's going to tide me over at least until the 50 series.

@Aurummorituri 2 ай бұрын

Awesome comparison. I will say that your 3090 results are a little skewed downwards. At 350W the 3090 was heavily power limited. A model with three power connectors with a 450W+ power limit could hold 2Ghz+ stable while yours was hovering around 1800Mhz. I suppose the 4090 could be overclocked as well, but it is not nearly as power limited due to its much more efficient manufacturing process. This could also be making it look smoother on the lows.

@OC.TINYYY 2 ай бұрын

Nah, 4090 is double the performance of a 3090 regardless. They both have similar OC headroom, so the convo is mute.

@lifemocker85 2 ай бұрын

too power hungry

@Aurummorituri 2 ай бұрын

@@OC.TINYYY The “convo” is very much not mute since you didn’t read. The 3090 is heavily power limited without three 8-pins. That’s the only way to OC over 2Ghz and hold it. The 4090 is not power limited in most cases. Any 4090 can OC. Not every 3090 can OC. Read lol.

@dhaumya23gango75 2 ай бұрын

NumBee-vv8et Not true. They show the 3090 being 39% slower than the 4090 taking the 4090 as the baseline. And the 4090 being 64% faster than the 3090 taking the 3090 as the baseline. Daniel needs to teach how percentages work in his videos as well it seems. And yes the 4090 is 2x or 100% faster than the 3090 in plenty of titles with heavy raytracing, in raster it's mostly 60-80% faster.

@stevieC11Hanworth 2 ай бұрын

It's not double its 50% fastern

@TheChardluz Ай бұрын

What about the coil whine in the 4090 cards

@csguak 2 ай бұрын

Rtx 4090 was the best purchase Ive ever made for 4k gaming. It simply shreds everything while being SILENT. My battle with noise was finally over. And no. Fck headphones.

@rumpelstielzchen489 2 ай бұрын

Exacty! Had a 3080ti FE before and this fan was screaming. Sold it for 800€ and bought a 4090. In less demanding titles like World of Tanks the 3080ti had much higher powerdraw in 4k @ 144hz and sometimes could not even reach 144hz. Up to 300 or even more Watts before and ~150 Watts now with the 4090. It is silent, it is fast and gives the first acceptable 4k gaming experience. The 7900xtx was't in concideration since if I spend so much money on a GPU I go for the best anyways. I think it is still pretty overpriced though.

@TerraWare 2 ай бұрын

I bought a 4090 day one the morning they dropped at my local Micro Center and immediately compared it against my 3080Ti which is a 3090 essentially in Quake 2 RTX at 4K and my mind was blown when it was twice as fast. The 4090 was such a good generational jump over the last flagship, unfortunately the same couldnt be said for the rest of the stack. Still once the RTX 5000 series comes out getting your hands on a used 4090 will be such a nice uplift in performance for people and its really power efficient too.

@alanaeichsteadt 2 ай бұрын

Amazing the uplift you get when you have a fully unlocked die vs a binned 3080

@SpainSpace 2 ай бұрын

Daniel, may I ask why Nvidia benchmarks always show GPU temp but no GPU Hotspot temp?

@dnice42 2 ай бұрын

Makes them look worse so they don't, people in comments like to say it's the actual temp on amd cards that use it

@darkfire3691 2 ай бұрын

@@dnice42 You are living in delusion, Nvidia cards usually have 10-12 delta, while AMD 17-20. So if AMD Gpu temp is 60 Hotspot ~ 80. Nvidia 60 Hotspot 70~ .

@dnice42 2 ай бұрын

@darkfire3691 the Hotspot has to deal with cooler design, mounting pressure, and thermal interface. I got the hot spot on my 6800xt to 7 to 10 degree difference with a paste and washer mod from 15

@MohawkNinja636 2 ай бұрын

"Not my usual video..." but seeing generational improvement jumps is useful in plenty of ways other than "which do I buy?"

@FallenGamerNica Ай бұрын

Im about to buy a gaming rig in $1350, 3090 ftw3, i9 12900ks, 32 ram, can someone tell me if its a good deal pls

@93836 2 ай бұрын

The 3090 and 4090 were exciting products. That’s why I bought both of them. My 3090 Founders Edition is sitting on display in my bedroom now. Freakin things are beautiful.

@denvernaicker8250 2 ай бұрын

pc and frame latency are not taken into account during framegen fps and that severely deteriorates the gameplay experience rather than looking at pure fps count

@Horendus123 2 ай бұрын

Does 60 frames with frame gen then enabled on top of that have more latency than 60 frames without frame gen enabled or are they the same? I guess in asking does frame gen add latency that wasnt already there?

@band0lero 2 ай бұрын

Yes, it does add latency that wasn’t there. The frames have to be “held” a bit so the FG algorithm can fill in a frame inbetween. There are a few videos testing, if I’m not mistaken it’s adding roughly 1 frame of latency

@Horendus123 2 ай бұрын

@@band0lero interesting. I cant say I have played with it much, I turned it on in cyber punk but only played the game for about 10 minutes, not really my thing

@Laytonmario 2 ай бұрын

Honestly, I feel like so many of the very taxing/good-looking games hit the CPU-limit because of bad porting that GPU power doesn't matter as much currently

@Shreddinstan 2 ай бұрын

Yeah unless it's a 4k monitor! I have a 3440x1440p ultra wide monitor and it gets bottlenecked at stock resolution so I have to raise the render resolution to hit 99 percent on it with certain games!

@Atzmn 2 ай бұрын

So many new AAA games lock my 7600x to 80-100% its mind boggling to me that ar 1440p high im still cpu bound in a lot of scenarios

@HanSolo__ 2 ай бұрын

Not necessarily. CP 2077 is a taxing good-looking game that work on a potato CPU and needs 6 fast (ish) cores.

@Atzmn 2 ай бұрын

@@HanSolo__ cp is heavily cpu bound after the 2.0 update...

@Swampyballs69 2 ай бұрын

@@Atzmn funny enough i just started playing cp again 2 days ago. my 9900k handles it fine at 1440p, obviously i’m not getting hella fps cause of my gpu but at 70-80fps it doesn’t bottle neck

@Peter-gb4ey 2 ай бұрын

I'm glad Daniel uses high end gaming components for his videos. Such as CURRENT gen CPU, sweet spot RAM, and a freaking m.2 NVMe SSD. Most of the big YTers are not doing a mix of these components. I don't think it would affect performance, but I would like to see a power supply that uses the 2x6-12V native cable, not an adapter.

@rodrigofleischfresser1458 2 ай бұрын

It is possible to sell GPU through JAWA from another country? Cause I'm from Brazil and here the prices are insane, and to help, the government just put a import tax of 98% (yes, ninety-eight percent) so is not only impossible to Import but the local prices raised a lot 😢

@user-sq3pp9hr9l 2 ай бұрын

That's sad... i feel you bro

@rodrigofleischfresser1458 2 ай бұрын

@@user-sq3pp9hr9l my RX 6800 XT just crashed 😭, had to buy a 4070 (normal one) for $700, a used one ... But it's impossible to convert currency cause for us is 3500 reais (our currency) this is 2 times my apartment rent... The minimum wage in Brazil is 1412 reais.. So, for some one that earn that, he needs at least 3 month without spending anything to buy a used 4070... We are number 14º in tax ranking in the world, so... It's really hard to explain how absurd this country is when it comes to prices of electronics, cars, houses... And of course, corruption... In 180 countries, we are the 104 most corrupt country in the world... What more can I say

@user-sq3pp9hr9l 2 ай бұрын

@@rodrigofleischfresser1458 wonder where the tax money end up...

@JohnnySilverFinger 18 күн бұрын

@@user-sq3pp9hr9l Pocket of our dear president who was in jail for stealing more than any other group in a republic from the people in the history

@mynickisalreadytaken 2 ай бұрын

I always love that your Kids a having the Time of theirs lives upstairs :D

@bogdanmarian3786 2 ай бұрын

Upgraded from the RTX 3090 to the 4090, and it was well worth it. Better temps, better performance, better everything.

@ckling217 2 ай бұрын

I like how you roll on this channel! Keep up the excellent work.

@nekron75 2 ай бұрын

Dude, this is just a 4090 ad. The value of the 3090 was atrocious. Why do you think nVidia sent him a 3090 FE for this ad? In 5 months both nVidia and AMD will announce their new generations GPU’s. Buying a 4090 now is a really bad investment unless you really need it.

@GrainGrown 2 ай бұрын

@@nekron75 It's NVIDIA, not "nVidia"...

@Hexenkind1 2 ай бұрын

Prediction: The 5090 will be awesome in terms of performance again and everything else will be sub par (also again). Price? Do not ask me. And yes, the 4090 is the first above 80 series card that is kind of worth it because of the insane uplift from the 3090 and difference to the 4080 (also no 4080 Ti in sight).

@100500daniel 2 ай бұрын

I agree. The 5090 will be amazing, but my bet it will cost around 2000$. The 5080 will be probably quite a bit slower, maybe around ~~30% slower than the 5090, for around half the price. Every other card down the stack will be overpriced piece of shit with Apple-like marketing strategies that make you want to always get the next tier up.

@filippetrovic845 Ай бұрын

@@100500danielLolz, as it turns out 5080 will be significantly slower than 4090 but will catch up in ray tracing.

@GauteAnimationNorway Ай бұрын

Got to say, I went from a Gtx 1060 3gb to a RX 6800, that has been quite exciting. However, pre gen pc components excited me more that the newest stuff because of price and seeing all the instability of DDR5 ram every week by working with customer service in tech. I lived with a i7 3770, DDR3 and a GTX 1060 for 8 years. So I sure can have these for 8 years too: Ryzen 9 5900x 32gb DDR4 3600Mhz RX 6800 16gb vram And a ASUS TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS WIFI II, wasn't really gonna go Asus this time. But in the pricerange I got as an employee. There wasn't really any other motherboard in stock that could compare. All of it has been flawless so far. Even undervolted my Ryzen 9. The more cool and stable the pc is, the better. And it is mostly under 75 degrees.

@Kryptix0III 2 ай бұрын

a lot more people would've been fine with the 40 series pricing if the whole product stack got 50% perf improvement gen over gen across the board

@lolmao500 2 ай бұрын

Yeah 4060 is trash

@Angel7black 2 ай бұрын

I’m gonna disagree with you on two fronts. I think raising the price as much as they did this time was actually insane. $800 for a 7 class? Really? $400 and $500 for both 60 classes? Insane That said i also dont think a new gen has to hit the 50 percent threshold everytime. Sometimes 25-30 percent is really all you need. In that sense just keep it at the same price or lower prices. It makes sense. But as is now it makes zero sense and its a robbery for everything except the 4070 Super and weirdly the 4090. Mind you $1600 for a GPU is mental, but when its THAT much faster than every other GPU on the market what is there to keep it’s price in check? The 4080/super and 7900XTX are such poor alternatives for anybody at 4K with deep pockets that they just dont make any sense at all

@ofon2000 2 ай бұрын

that didn't happen because they had to sell the old rtx 3000 and rx 6000 stuff

@lifemocker85 2 ай бұрын

wrong. rtx have been always ridiculously ovepriced

@ofon2000 2 ай бұрын

@@lifemocker85 RTX 2000 series was a rip...RTX 3000 was priced very well until the mining craze started and they used "shortages" as an excuse to jack up the prices while blaming scalpers. Rtx 4000...already stated the reason I believe they were priced the way they are. RTX 5000 I believe won't be great, but better than RTX 4000. Hopefully significantly so for the midrange.

@waynewm9112 2 ай бұрын

Now we have entered an era we games are mostly playable after a few years upon release.

@carlos-mw5ij 14 күн бұрын

NICE VIDEO LOVED IT.

@denikec 2 ай бұрын

well, I'm going to keep for a while the used 3090 I got for around 700$ last year, it's an EVGA as well. (even painted it white so it fits the build) with a nice undervolt it draws around 300W on a full load. RT without upscaling is obviously a no-go in 1440p in any game, maybe RTAO is manageable. To be honest I did not expect that I'd need to use so much upscaling with this card in 1440p, but that's modern gaming I guess... I wouldn't have liked this card if I bought it full price on release though.

@zacthegamer6145 2 ай бұрын

I upgraded mine for 3080 10gb to 3090 for $570. Been happy with it and going to build an all new system with 5090.

@H4GRlD 2 ай бұрын

I did the same upgrade path last Summer to get more VRAM for Stable Diffusion and other large language models. I'm definitely sticking with it for at least 2 more years just like you said.

@CrusterfunkShenanigans 2 ай бұрын

pretty much the same deal here, except I got a FE, treating it well so it should last me a few years to come aswell ( not really wanting to have the "best' right away helps)

@MrAnimescrazy 2 ай бұрын

@zacthegamer6145 what is your budget for your 5090 build?

@ToothlessSnakeable 2 ай бұрын

I remember when the mid tier of the current gen would beat the previous gen highest end card.

@n.erdbeer 2 ай бұрын

But this happens with 4070 ti...

@Anankin12 2 ай бұрын

@@n.erdbeerwith the 4070 Super* But the pricing of the current mid tier (the 4070, which does not beat the 3090 Ti) is 20% higher than it should be at launch (even accounting for inflation) and there's a huge gap between the 70 and 70 Ti tiers. Not to mention the cut down bus and limited memory.

@Anankin12 2 ай бұрын

That said the 4070 Super launched at marginally higher price than what the 3070 and 2070 did (accounting for inflation. Yes, it launched at the same price I just said was 20% higher, but inflation has been so wild that 450 in 2020 has become 580 in 2024, while it was not much higher than 450 when the plain 70 launched) and there's a HUGE gap with the Ti (to the point that they had to slot in the Supers,.which is ridiculous) and then there's another gap between the very expensive 80 and 90. Oh well.

@n.erdbeer 2 ай бұрын

@@Anankin12 well, GPU price had less inflation than food/energy prices where I live, so I could care less tbh. A price increase sux but that's how it goes.

@Anankin12 2 ай бұрын

@@n.erdbeer as I said the 4070 Super is actually good, it is the 4070 that sucks (still does, costs like 5% less than the super while performing 10-20% less)

@coward47 12 күн бұрын

Picked up a 3 month old XFX 7900 XTX for around 600$ for 1440P. Have been stoked with the performance thus far.

@gorgono1 28 күн бұрын

The problem is that you can't find the card for MSRP. The card where I live goes for above 2000-2400€ Instead, I managed to get myself a 4080s for only 1k€

@davidrenard6980 Ай бұрын

Cyberpunk 2077 4K without DLSS comparison is missing🤔

@Yukeena 2 ай бұрын

Went from a 1060 to a 580 to a 3060 ti to a 4070. Idk when I'll upgrade again but haven't really been keeping up with GPUs as of late since I'm very happy with my 4070 and I don't play a shit ton of graphically demanding games. I'm happy to say that JRPGs don't require you to have a stupid powerful system and I'm very happy about that.

@ZackSNetwork 2 ай бұрын

If you still play at 1080p and stay away from triple A games you’re perfectly fine.

@Yukeena 2 ай бұрын

@@ZackSNetwork I play in 1440p, but still 4070 more than capable of playing my jrpgs and competitive shooters at high fps.

@filippetrovic845 Ай бұрын

4070 is a great gpu. dont listen to poor amd fanboys.

@Yukeena Ай бұрын

@@filippetrovic845 Heck no i don't listen to them. Also I didn't understand the person that said "If you play at 1080p and stay away from Triple A titles". Because I play at 1440p, and when I actually tried playing at 1080p, there was a huge bottleneck and performance dropped, but when I went back to 1440p, great performance and high fps. Also I tried a couple of Triple A titles with this card that I have paired with a 13600kf and 32gb of ddr5 ram, and it worked just fine. This card really is great.

@j-cuts9396 2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂 straight dad type stuff...." You probably hear my kids stomping around upstairs cause that's how we roll on this channel" 😂😂😂 💀💀💀💀💀

@igntambir 2 ай бұрын

Please Mr Owens do a video where you compare similar priced gpu then lower power wattage to match the one with the lowest and see what performance delivers Idea: RTX 4060 and comparable AMD priced GPU and match the wattage to lowest one. I just want to see what performance i can get on AMD gpus if its matched up with Nvidia

@brennan2007 2 ай бұрын

You make a great point. People always making a big deal about GPU prices, like Nvidia be committing come type of war crime. For price to performance, 4090s (the under $2k ones) are pretty sweet. The actual technology packed into that thing, the amount of money and time spent on R&D, and just the flat out performance and capabilities mean its actually a hella sweet deal. Look at a Galaxy Z Fold, they are over $1600, and performance wise they aren't very good. Built quality, not the best. Battery life, bad. You can get a 4090 for under what your pay for a stupid gimmick folding phone, and people don't make a big deal about that, even though that phone is literally a ripoff, and will be junk in like 2 years.

@filippetrovic845 Ай бұрын

So true but youtube is filled with poor amd fanboys.

@Hinjima92 2 ай бұрын

Interested to see the 5090, hope its a worthy upgrade over my 4080.

@OctagonalSquare 2 ай бұрын

You know they won’t actually do anything to improve gaming performance. They only care about AI now because that is where all their money is now.

@ThePimpinator 2 ай бұрын

real, but who knows @@OctagonalSquare

@Yukeena 2 ай бұрын

Same here, but you're already upgrading? The 4080 hasn't been out for that long.

@exception6651 2 ай бұрын

@@OctagonalSquareYou mean you hope it sucks 😂

@Hexenkind1 2 ай бұрын

@@OctagonalSquare Oh believe me, the 5090 WILL improve on performance.

@user-vx9ch6rs1w Ай бұрын

shouldn't the correct comparison be 3090 ti vs 4090?

@ILordSpawnI 2 ай бұрын

THATS HOW WE ROLL ON THIS CHANNEL!

@sacb0y 2 ай бұрын

I maintain the 3090 and 4090 are "pro-sumer" class cards and they're a good deal when compared to rendering cards that are like $4000+. Until now there's been no option between the 8-10GB of vram gaming GPU, and the 48GB of vram rendering GPU thats also worse at gaming.

@IAMDEMIURGE 2 ай бұрын

What is best nvidia GPU for 1440p and what cpu should i pair with it

@wkeyser0024 2 ай бұрын

Probably a 4070 super or a 7800 XT with an AMD 7800x 3D or the Intel 12 or 13th Gen. for rock solid 1440. But this is the internet so do lots of research and sift the comments for the info you need to meet your needs in terms of price and performance. Happy hunting.

@IAMDEMIURGE 2 ай бұрын

@@wkeyser0024 can I pair 7600 and 4070 ti super

@neolordie 2 ай бұрын

@@IAMDEMIURGEyes, you could

@stevieC11Hanworth 2 ай бұрын

7900xtx. 4k is for idiots

@zaraizara2794 2 ай бұрын

alan sweet baby saga inc woke 2

@chadwolf3840 Ай бұрын

Sad the route they went on that game. It had great bones, but the unnecessary identity politics they threw into it created a cloud on the game and Remedy as a whole.

@digital.garage 2 ай бұрын

For those on a 3090 like I am, mod in FSR3, it just works... Boosted my fps in cp2077 from 60-70fps to 90-120fps (Pathtracing on/1080)

@Swiss4.2 2 ай бұрын

At 4K DLSS quality with FSR3 fg I get around 50-60fps with path tracing and all other settings maxed out; they are still very capable cards.

@danielkissgremsperger3242 2 ай бұрын

Who plays on 1080p with a 3090 lol

@jeroentjeuh3780 Ай бұрын

running fsr 1080p damn that's so ugly....

@nsreturn1365 23 күн бұрын

@@danielkissgremsperger3242 everyone who uses Dlss ...... ups sorry i didnt want to shout facts. But yes the reason it works is jkust for nvidia to sell 40 series cards. They are activly blocking amd from putting in fsr3 cause that would also benefit 30 series usern and those should pay up...Fomo at its peak.

@andysmith7310 2 ай бұрын

Bought a 4090 over Xmas. And a 7800x3d very happy with my purchase. It's a beasty combo

@MrAnimescrazy 2 ай бұрын

I went with the same combo

@josephl6727 2 ай бұрын

That's actually an insane jump in performance.😅

@TewaAya 2 ай бұрын

Lucky those who only got. 100-200$ markup on the release aib 4090. Now its going a premium of 300$ because "inflation" yet those are open box/returns or old sealed stocks. I'm not concerned for 5080 or new titans if the new one costs 2x a platform upgrade. Amd will either give us another 5700xt era where they downscale but nvidia is walling their best cards for ai so they'll only make gddr7 for the top class cards.

@h0rk3d 2 ай бұрын

GPUs was exciting when they were invented back in the 90s. Since then they been used as hype content for manufacturers and streamers. They are just a piece of hardware that I buy every now and then when I feel that part of my PC needs an upgrade. Currently I own a 6800 non-xt and I dont need to upgrade the next few years.

@vishwajeetpanwar3271 2 ай бұрын

8k gaming,16k gaming was marketed back then finally 4090 can do 4K maxed 60fps and a good 4k high refresh gaming in 2024

@Kazzman90 2 ай бұрын

Do the follow up with the 3090 Ti vs 4090. Halo vs Halo

@ricarnuninho80 2 ай бұрын

Lack of RR enabled without FG for Path Tracing at 1080p on Alan Wake 2!?! Do you forget to enable DLSS 3.7 RR without FG?

@argcades 2 ай бұрын

Hey man, i think you should double check some results, for example... 3090 at 1080p High RTX High in AW2 goes 36fps and at 1440p goes 40fps with dlss, same settings... there's something wrong there...

@danielowentech 2 ай бұрын

1440p DLSS quality is lower than 1080p internal resolution, so it is performing a bit better than 1080p native with DLAA (Alan Wake 2 doesn't have a normal taa, it uses DLAA at native res).

@stevegonzales527 9 күн бұрын

i have a 3090 and play 1440p but i still dont use ray tracing, ray tracing doesnt look any better for me to justify turning it on

@freshplasticup5795 Ай бұрын

Remember when you bought a graphics card with raw performance that could just push higher resolution, with higher game settings (Textures, shadows, etc), with higher frames without all the trickery of frame generation, DLSS, FSR etc? I feel like we're kind getting ripped off anymore.

@Ranguvar13 Ай бұрын

3090 was a good buy used $700-900 - it's the same price today as it was when I got it a year ago. It's still a smart buy because it's holding value so much better than any other GPU. Many people want high VRAM NVIDIA for AI. I'll resell for $500-600 (Strix 480W!) in a year for the 5090 and only have paid $200-300 to enjoy it for 2-3 years.

@Hahahanoyes 2 ай бұрын

The problem was the 3090 was absolutely horrendous value compared to 3080/70. Its not fair to compare 4070-3070 because those cards were actually good value.

@lifemocker85 2 ай бұрын

4070-3070 have terrible value since theyre overpriced and vram gimped

@nttinvis 2 ай бұрын

Not for the class of fps they give, 4070 1440p mid-high settings 3070 high / max 1080p@@lifemocker85

@Lynnfield3440 2 ай бұрын

@@nttinvisexactly, a terrible price and not enough Vram as was stated.

@nttinvis 2 ай бұрын

@Lynnfield3440 i guess yoou could say that but adding more doesn't benefit nvidia because the performance level it to low anyway

@lifemocker85 2 ай бұрын

@@nttinvis textures doesnt effect performance one can just have better quality of textures if theres enough vram

@marvinbecker7453 2 ай бұрын

Dont use 1080p this days only for very low end gpu like 3050 and slower because even on a 1080p sreen 1440p dlss qulity looks better and runs a bit better or the same as 1080 native and yeah it looks better even on a 1080p sreen with dsr in the controll center or coustom 1440p res on your 1080p sreen

@locoghoul 2 ай бұрын

3000 series was overpriced but market also blew those prices up. 4000 series we are getting fair prices even if the performance isn't that much better than last gen. I will give FSR mod a try with my 3090 but at 1440p I am happy with it and will probably keep for another gen or two (targeting the 6090 bc memes)

@r6rider2987 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for this, i have a 3090 and still debating on a 4090 or just wait for 5090…

@alexisjavier84 2 ай бұрын

i hope the next gen is more affordable but thats a stretch at this point.

@briana3695 2 ай бұрын

Where are the HELLDIVERS 2 benchies

@Plague_Doc22 2 ай бұрын

Wow I just realized you have 181k subs now! You've grown so fast, remember when I was thinking you werent getting enough support for what you do because I think you were at around 40k. Feels like not that long ago.

@appleteampomme3962 2 ай бұрын

I hope we will see this kind of jump in performance with the 5000 series but a launch at a lower msrp ...

@michaelangst6078 2 ай бұрын

Won't happen. The 5090 will very likely be $1800.. They could sell it at $2000 and it will still be sold out for quite awhile

@riven4121 2 ай бұрын

Unlikely. Nvidia don't have any competition and can price the 5090 as high as they want because their competitors won't be able to make a product to compete with it

@user-dv5ts3de8e 2 ай бұрын

Compare 3070 to 4060ti - zero performance uplift and same VRAM capacity for the same price. nVidia only cares about premium card upgrades.

@michaelangst6078 2 ай бұрын

@@riven4121 They will likely make it $1800 because if they make it $2000 they will hear a lot more backlash over the price, but at the end of the day who knows if they will care

@michaelangst6078 2 ай бұрын

@@user-dv5ts3de8e 4060ti has DLSS 3 so it technically was still an upgrade

@ionseven 2 ай бұрын

You can thank data science. Product mgrs collect mass consumer data and pump it through various ML models to refine what we'll barely tolerate at the highes prices. Its a literal science.

@Diegoshadow85 Ай бұрын

How I can be excited when these cards are like 3 times too expensive for me to even consider lol.

@FranciscoRestivo96 2 ай бұрын

Maybe some test's with fsr3

@charlesingram9471 16 күн бұрын

there is a vid on youtube of someone playing a game using DLSS and AMD Frame generation together and it was massively better than the DLSS Frame generation

@GuardianCharr Ай бұрын

I'd be lying if i said the really heavy titles look good enough to require that amount of performance drain on the cards... wish companies would spend more time optimizing. Instead of racing for 60fps still, we should be aiming for 144 or more with technologies we already have out there.

@kinglew0773 16 күн бұрын

To hell with Jawa. They offered me like $200 for my 4060TI. I ended up selling it for $350 after I found a used 4080 for $850 a few months back.

@ZackSNetwork 2 ай бұрын

Jawa is like the GameStop of used GPU’s. Apparently my 3080 12 EVGA FTW3 Ultra in excellent condition and original packaging is valued at only $287 before tax. What a ripoff.

@doomsayr_x 2 ай бұрын

I have the rtx 4090 and i9 14900kf and I love it. There's a huge difference in my gaming.

@mrhassell 2 ай бұрын

The 4070 Ti was expected to be the 4080, but AMD's release of the 6950 disrupted those plans. Traditionally, Ti models have been targeting users of 2K/4K. It is interesting to note, despite negative sentiments to both manufacturers, particularly NVidia, a 4060 Ti was released. However, 4060 Ti's raw specifications were inferior to what people were expecting to be similar to the 4070, which led to ridicule for NVidia. Very interesting point is the 4060 and Ti versions, both have the same software additives, which provide these synthetic results.

@guinness630 Ай бұрын

This is why I play on low end cards. This comparisson makes my 3060 look not half bad when the 3090 is running on very demanding conditions with quite poor results. The thing is that they sell their xx90 series as ultimate cards that are too good even for gaming, then the lie unveils and it's not just that the card underpeforms for its price as soon as a new technology is implemented, but that this can even affect the mental of buyers who spent thousands on a card whose value inmensely drops after just a few years. Next card will be a RTX 6060 or a RTX 6070 (or ti / super variants) and I already know it's going to be a good deal.

@Patrick-tw7nr 2 ай бұрын

I’ll be building my new PC in 2025 and sunsetting my 3700X with 3070 build to give to my daughter who will use for her games she plays and light media use. I can’t wait to see what will be available or me as I’m budgeting about 2500 dollars. I might go up to 3K if necessary but that is all I’ll need

@Haru_no_ki 2 ай бұрын

Can’t really justify the price of the gpu in my country. It’s about 2.1k€ for the cheapest model, either new or used, they are at almost the same price. This sucks as I started working with AI and a 4090 would be nice for both gaming and AI

@Digitox20 Ай бұрын

Who plays with RT on to be honest it ruins the image quality for lighting effects I’d rather have high detail than the lighting

@garcher7631 2 ай бұрын

4090, one of a FEW nice deals from Nvidia (still high as f tho)

@Jamie71q 2 ай бұрын

Id love to see DLSS 3.7 on the 30 series cards

@LegoFerrari 2 ай бұрын

Its crazy to think i have had the 3090 for over 3 years got it back in december of 2020. Hoping the 5090 really does have atleast 50% or higher perf and same price i just don't see a world where it would be even more than a titan back in the day. I hope the new gen comes out this year i don't want to wait till 2025 I WANT MORE FPS xd 4090 im not paying minimum 2k usd. Just checked a used site that's popular here 3090s are selling for 1000 to 1200 usd 💀

@markwarnken4711 2 ай бұрын

Avatar "unobtainium" settings, please ...

@SaiyanJin85 3 күн бұрын

What impressed me is that a 2000+ gpu cant play a f*ing game at 60fps easily, wtf

@KarlynGR 2 ай бұрын

The only problem with the 3090 is that is 350w which is even worse with the 4090 being 450w. So what can we expect with the 5090? 550w? Crazy times

@rgstroud 2 ай бұрын

You can get close to 60 FPS in Lords of the Fallen 4K Ultra for the 4090 if you OC it and undervolt. That leaves only the PathTracing at 4K in games that will hurt the 4090, so If pathtracing is your thing, then the 5090 is the solution; otherwise, there is no reason to upgrade a 4090 anytime soon.

@aga1nsty0u 2 ай бұрын

i love how nvidia pushed titan class gpu ( 4090 ) in to main stream market and replaced high end **80 class with it and seemingly pushed **80 class towards mid/high now

@nossy232323 2 ай бұрын

It's technically not a Titan class GPU since they disable too much of the chip.

@TheeJake 2 ай бұрын

I got a 3090 for 799 on ebay last summer, no regrets on that purchase

@1HololensfansOfNaruto 2 ай бұрын

Ebay resale is not the right way to compare a latest product.

@lindseyhunt1090garageb 2 ай бұрын

it seems that some games are so demanding now but with very limited graphical enhancements. a game may look 10% better but somehow requires 2 or 3x the power. whats up with that. just bad game engine>?

@MrAnimescrazy 2 ай бұрын

Well you have to buy these games and test them out for yourself. Unreal engine 5 games look better then last gen games. Unreal engine 5 games have a better base and these are just the first batch of Unreal engine 5 games so overtime they will look even better.

@xTRTSCx 2 ай бұрын

I'm sorry, but thay Jawa website looks like a rip-off to me; it offers $668.5 for a brand new, unopened and sealed (they offer the same amount for used - no box, which is dumb) PNY 4080 Super, which is a friggin' joke, that card costs around $1060...

@chrissoucy1997 2 ай бұрын

I have a 3090 and except for the heavy path traced games like Alan Wake 2&Cyberpunk 2077 and some UE5 games like Lords Of the Fallen, I can pretty much play any games I want at 4K high/ultra with DLSS Quality/Balanced at 70-75+ fps on my LG C1 OLED TV. I feel no need to upgrade at all and I am not even considering to upgrade when the 5080 and 5090 comes out. I'll wait for the RTX 6000 and RX 9000 series in 2 and a half years.

@filippetrovic845 Ай бұрын

I had 4090 with lg c1 oled and its was heavenly. I just despise 30 series after 40 launch since it got crushed, especially in per per watt comparing dlss2 vs dlss3. Would much rather have a 4070 than 3090.