Response To The Abolition Debate & Controversy

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Join us for the newest episode of Apologia Radio in which we respond to some comments made alleging Jeff Durbin is not a "true abolitionist." Jeff and the crew are joined by Bradley Pierce to offer some clarifications and to speak to some serious problems in the abolitionist movement.
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@ApologiaStudios 29 күн бұрын

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@cesarchavez9897 Ай бұрын

This almost soung like an apology to Sam. For what? Who condemned him or went nasty on him? A couple of bad actors. So what? Who responded strongly, firmly, factually to him? The vast majority of us. Good. That is not nasty or cultic. Sam is wrong. He went off the rails many times and misrepresented the abolishionist brethren many times. It is good he gets called out strongly. He should heed what was said to him, not play victim (he even tried during the debate with Jeff and with Virgil also), and act like a mature man. Love you brothers, but if you accuse abolishionists for cultic behavior, please be specific, name ministries or names. But do not attack the movement as a whole, which only achieves exactly what you say want to avoid, and it is unnecessary division within the body. It does not have to be this way.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

DOES A PERSON HAVE TO REPENT TO BE SAVED?

@EricCare1 Ай бұрын

Good reply, wish he would name names, otherwise just causes more division

@davidgcavada Ай бұрын

I support Jeff Durbin and T. Russell Hunter. May Jeff Durbin name names as who he is talking about. Everyone is assuming it's T. Russell Hunter with all the shirts, pictures, and signs etc.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

What does a person have to do in order for them to receive salvation?

@kellyhuskey2507 Ай бұрын

Stand down … this isn’t loving brother

@xAgent_Smithx 21 күн бұрын

Is that who he is talking about?

@davidgcavada Ай бұрын

Seems like he is offended by social media comments from Abolishists. Since Jeff himself has devoted so much, it seems like a personal issue. May Jeff take a break and name names instead of vague accusations.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

What does a person have to do in order for them to receive salvation?

@valleyscharping Ай бұрын

Brothers, please just stop with the cult accusations. It is so divisive and wrong. You are stirring up crap, not shedding light. Brother please hear me. When you say such things, it feels like an attack to many abolitionists like me, whether you want it to be or not. And I truly don't think you see T. russell Hunter rightly (yes, I know you do not name him or the other godly men with Abolitionists Rising, but it seems reasonably clear).

@jasonfssoe Ай бұрын

Valley, Do you correct Russell and his friends when they slander men like Jeff publicly? Are you aware of he kinds of things that are routinely said or are you speaking from ignorance here?

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

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@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Ай бұрын

Just so you know our new friend has repeated this exact question many times under other comments.

@AbolitionistQA Ай бұрын

@@jasonfssoecan you make a claim? Tell us what was said so that we can rightly approach it.

@AbolitionistQA Ай бұрын

@@jasonfssoealso, assuming the worst. Assuming everything is true. Then you shouldn’t be vague in your messaging. You should name names. Name the sin. And tell people to avoid them at all costs. Otherwise it looks severely effeminate to continue to speak in vague generalities. It’s very TGC like. Very “big Eva” to not name names and speak in vague generalities so that proper accountability ON ANY SIDE can’t be taken. Men speak clearly.

@homekeeperlife3953 Ай бұрын

So i get what your saying might not agree with some but brother jeff i do think you should be careful biting and devoiring back. Like calling it a "club" or "not being interested in the signs and what not." I thought that was rude. My 12 year old son bought a sign from a ABOLITION conference which was so great and convicting. He used his own money and goes out evangelizing faithfully unto the Lord. We love the signs and the stickers we put on our cup. I do think you shouldnt shame or bite at us for wearing or using them. We use them to the glory of God. Like you said we are brothers and sisters in Christ and we shouldnt bite and devour. I really didnt like the sarcasm or shame put on us who are ok with using the abolitionist rising or free the states tools.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

What does a person have to do in order for them to receive salvation?

@timothyjudge3945 Ай бұрын

As an electrician that 30amp receptacle breaking up that pipe rack is always so distracting lol. Love what you guys do.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

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@timothyjudge3945 Ай бұрын

@@ChristianJune32002 yes

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

@@timothyjudge3945 DOES A PERSON HAVE TO BE BAPTIZED WITH WATER TO BE SAVED?

@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Ай бұрын

Just so you know our new friend has repeated this exact question on many times under other comments.

@timothyjudge3945 Ай бұрын

@@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 prob ai

@positivevibes1760 Ай бұрын

I need to thank Jeff. I grew up Mormon , served a mission in London- great times. I took representing Jesus seeiously by doing good works rather than recruitment. I was told off many times for it lol. But I always tried to fit in but never felt I did. Always thought I was the problem. I never understood why others say Mormons aren’t Christians. Until I removed myself from their doctrine, read the bible and the word of God spoke to me loudly, more than the Book of Mormon ever did. I actually felt it’s massively disrespectful for anyone to say the word of God was corrupted and needed to be restored. It’s silly when you think of it. I’m going to treat myself and saving for a good top of the line LSB bible. For the years I’ve been told to only read the Book of Mormon.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

DOES A PERSON HAVE TO REPENT TO BE SAVED?

@positivevibes1760 Ай бұрын

@@ChristianJune32002 it’s part of the process, we are saved through faith in Christ. It is his gift. Eph2:8. Paul also makes it clear that if we live in sin, we cannot inherit the kingdom. 1 Cor. 6:9-10 Faith in Christ goes hand in hand with repentance. Least that’s how I understand it.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

@@positivevibes1760 DOES A PERSON HAVE TO BE BAPTIZED WITH WATER TO BE SAVED?

@soyouwantthetruthabout Ай бұрын

Please name names, Jeff. I haven't heard any Abolitionists say we need to cut you or EAN off, stop supporting you, etc. nor have I seen any leaders in the Abolitionist movement demand any sort of allegiance to themselves or demand that other Abolitionists use their specific words, etc.

@Courtney85 Ай бұрын

I did see a FB friend post that they wished this debate had been held by a “real abolitionist” (referring to Jeff). So there are abolitionists out there who view themselves as purists and think EAN is not an “real” abolitionist ministry.

@soyouwantthetruthabout Ай бұрын

@@Courtney85 there may be some individual abolitionists out there who say that, but I am referring to any Abolitionist leaders who have said any of the things Jeff said. I would like names for accountability and being able to look at the evidence myself. Everything was very broad brushed and vague in who he was speaking of.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

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@JelaineFondren Ай бұрын

And why would not being considered a “real abolitionist” offend Jeff, since he doesn’t want anything to do with the cult? I appreciate Jeff’s role in ending abortion tremendously. Most of the newer abolitionists I know became abolitionists because of Jeff’s work with EAN. But he continues to hold abolitionists at arms length. He continues to treat his prolife brothers with more respect than his abolitionist brothers. I don’t get it. Jeff is just as hard on the prolife movement tactics as abolitionists when doing his shows, but then when he has an unmoderated debate with a friend, he doesn’t call him to task about how his incremental bills are unjust so he can be the “nice” abolitionist and then goes on to vilify the whole abolitionist movement as a cult without calling out specific sins or specific people to mark and steer clear of. Where is the love? Does he really think all of us abolitionists are following the man Russell? We are following the Biblical principles of abolition. If Russel were to mistakenly agree to vote for a hypothetically iniquitous law because of lack of sleep, you know we would be all over him. Calling him out for folding under pressure. It’s the principles we follow, not some leader. And if any of us are following a leader other than Christ, I hope we heed the cult warning that was given. It’s good advice in general, just not applicable to most abolitionists I know. I tried to stick up for Jeff immediately after the debate when people were upset about him agreeing to vote for an iniquitous bill, but after this video, his integrity has been deeply wounded. He really needs to show examples of the vilification abolitionists are doing, because this sure seems like vilification of abolitionists without hard evidence.

@soyouwantthetruthabout Ай бұрын

I also haven't seen anyone demand that they see Samuel or Doug be destroyed nor desire that. I think you are severely mischaraterizing many faithful brothers and sisters in Christ by saying they are cultish, etc. without naming names so people can judge on the evidence alone. I hope you and the men at Apologia are also holding yourselves to the same standard you are holding others too and are open to correction and repentance.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

DOES A PERSON HAVE TO REPENT TO BE SAVED?

@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Ай бұрын

Just so you know our new friend has repeated this exact question many times under other comments.

@AKhardcore1 Ай бұрын

100%. It was mischaracterization and slander.

@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Ай бұрын

Not naming names is a excellent way of attempting to make peace, and given them an opportunity to repent. "love covers a multitude of sins"

@soyouwantthetruthabout Ай бұрын

@@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 based on the interactions I have seen, I don't see this at all as an attempt at peace. Those he is referring to simply pointing out some inconsistencies in Jeff's arguments isn't slander or anything that needs to be repented of.

@Rippingthewall Ай бұрын

wikipedia and their lovely description of abortion on your video really grinds my gears

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

DOES A PERSON HAVE TO REPENT TO BE SAVED?

@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Ай бұрын

Just so you know our new friend has repeated this exact question on many times under other comments.

@Courtney85 Ай бұрын

@@ChristianJune32002 that’s not the right question to be asking. The question is “will a person repent if they are truly saved?” And the answer to that is yes. When the Holy Spirit begins to work within a person, He will cause them to repent. Regeneration preceding a confession of faith is the only way to reconcile scriptures which say you must repent to be saved with scriptures that say we are saved by faith alone through God‘s grace alone.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

@@Courtney85 WHAT VERSE SAYS THAT SALVATION IS THROUGH FAITH ALONE?

@AKhardcore1 Ай бұрын

Oof you really went hard on abolitionists. Vaguely. Which is sad. Name names if there are some being cultic or mean. Otherwise people could weaponize this against abolitionists en masse. It's sad to see so the conflict within the movement, I just want to see folks get along and work together. T. Russell Hunter, for example, one of my favorites to watch, Abolitionists Rising, is doing great work. Apologia is equipping many. Let's flippin goooooo fam

@mellbelle81 Ай бұрын

He literally is doing the thing he is screaming at others for doing.

@GoodPersonTestWebsite Ай бұрын

@@mellbelle81No he isn't. He also wasn't screaming.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

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@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Ай бұрын

Just so you know our new friend has repeated this exact question on many times under other comments. ...

@AKhardcore1 Ай бұрын

@@mellbelle81 he's not screaming, let's not be hyperbolic. He's making vague assertions against some abolitionists. Until he's clear about who is doing what he is claiming they did, it's counterproductive and sad. And yeah, he's doing the thing he is claiming to oppose. Sad.

@bobbycaruana5899 Ай бұрын

Thank you for all the work. I listened to the conversation on my way back from Tennessee. You were giving a ton of grace as he kept cutting you off with the clear and precise facts of scripture. He kept you from saying clearly what you wanted to say. It was actually frustrating. You showed more grace than I could of. God bless!! No fault to accept.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

DOES A PERSON HAVE TO REPENT TO BE SAVED?

@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Ай бұрын

Just so you know our new friend has repeated this exact question on many times under other comments.

@candeyeldred2655 26 күн бұрын

This reminds me of the second verse of Sanctuary, "Lord teach Your children to stop their fighting, start uniting, live as one." As long as God has saved us we are one and should have one end goal: to God be the glory. We need to stop fighting with our brothers and sisters. Stand strong together in Christ to a darkening world.

@mellbelle81 Ай бұрын

Huh. You could have educated without name calling. I have never heard a single abolitionist advocate for blanket capital punishment but as Bradley so often helps people understand: due process. Why are you “eating your own?” You always seem to want to distinguish your “club” as the purer Christian? Rachel’s comment may have been hasty but you keep talking about “brother Samuel” who is totally wrong but the rest of us are “cult members?” Why aren’t we brothers and sisters worthy of your respect? Are you not being a hypocrite right here? You accuse people of just wanting to wear a brand, really? Please calm down and back up.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

DOES A PERSON HAVE TO REPENT TO BE SAVED?

@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Ай бұрын

Just so you know our new friend has repeated this exact question many times under other comments.

@mellbelle81 26 күн бұрын

@@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 thanks for saving me time I appreciate tht

@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 26 күн бұрын

@@mellbelle81 ❤️

@jasonfssoe Ай бұрын

Praise God! Excellent discussion! Hard truths but important correctives the abolitionist movement has needed to ehsr for a long time. Lets clean up the arrogance and slanderpus tendencies of too many in our movement. You shouldn't get a pass in thoee things becuase your passionate and articulate against abortion and compromise. And i loved the segment with Denny Green! A hero of the faith! Denny told me 25 years ago when i was a young man, "Its amazing what we can accomplish if nobody cares who gets the credit for it." So true, and an important lesson for many abolitionists.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

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@joybarcus2792 Ай бұрын

The point that no one has articulated well in the latest discussions is this: the standard is extremely important. Since the law is a tutor, if your standard is that babies can’t be murdered once they feel pain, your standard for the value of human life is feeling pain. Or if you use a detectable heartbeat as your standard you are teaching that “sure, it’s just a clump of cells but magically a beating heart gives this human value and worth.” It’s actually literally the same argument as “once you are born you have dignity and worth” or “once you take your first breath you have dignity and worth.” It’s not actually an INCREMENT to use these as the cutoffs, it is setting a STANDARD. We have taught our society for decades of so-called “incrementalism” that the value and dignity of human life comes from some degree or form of functionality and is not inherent in us because we are image-bearers of God. It’s no wonder our society has grown to embrace abortion even more and now also euthanasia. Our pro-life legislation has done little but teach that the value of a human is based on some form of functionality.

@PrinceofPads Ай бұрын

I love the different perspectives that are aligned with each other. Walking together on a path of truth. No separation. Sick 💙

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

What does a person have to do in order for them to receive salvation?

@jepprey4953 Ай бұрын

Which abolition group are you critiquing about regarding cultish behavior? Serious question because I also don’t want to align myself with particular groups.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

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@tbo2120 29 күн бұрын

People calling out Jeff for being rude, horrible, sneaky etc. You only seeing this now? Jeff’s entire persona, personality and internal doctrine to others is just that 😂 blows my mind how slow the masses can be. You can deliver cold hard facts but do it totally different to Jeff. surely people know and practice this day in day out? don’t second guess yourself this guy has hardened deep rooted issues in narcissism. He is prayed for daily by many who care, God can break this down but like all of us it will take time and lots of prayer

@titusfolks7933 Ай бұрын

It seemed to me that Samuel was trying to push back on Jeff's framing of his position as "Regulationism". But, for whatever reason Jeff didn't really register this during the discussion or recap.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

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@jwill8718 Ай бұрын

I thought what you said was pretty clear. As soon as you brought it up I immediately understood where you were going with it. Sam thought it was a gotcha question and didn’t think of the different categories within his question. I thought it was a very good and factual answer.

@tinroof4816 Ай бұрын

Something bizarre happening in this episode.

@HisWillForever 12 күн бұрын

The intro is 🔥🔥🔥

@Smokey223 Ай бұрын

John 13:34-35 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

@g220ministries3 Ай бұрын

Amen!!!

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

DOES A PERSON HAVE TO REPENT TO BE SAVED?

@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Ай бұрын

Just so you know our new friend has repeated this exact question on many times under other comments.

@SlowToSpeak Ай бұрын

I love all of the men in this video. Thank you brothers for the kind loving and gracious words, despite our disagreements!

@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Ай бұрын

Thank you.

@Bibledingers Ай бұрын

Hi Sam 👋🏻

@johnredacted5141 Ай бұрын

Great! So are you going to stop being a coward and debate T. Russel Hunter now? not attempting to be mean or rude, im just pointing out your continual refusal that is clearly stemming from fear at this point.

@SlowToSpeak Ай бұрын

Have a good day, sir. :)

@erica981 Ай бұрын

@johnredacted4151 Did you not watch the video? Can we please stop trying to eat our own? Sam is a brother in Christ and we should be able to have these open discussions without name calling.

@desiM_y Ай бұрын

Many are so tired of the division amongst us Christians. The willingness to eat up their own for the sake of saying something profound is so ugly and disheartening to see. As my pastor says, "If you keep kicking people out of the boat, eventually you will have no one left."

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

What does a person have to do in order for them to receive salvation?

@desiM_y Ай бұрын

@BenjaminHenrySmith "What must I do to be saved? ...And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household." Acts 16:30b, 31

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

@@desiM_y Does a person have to repent to have God save them?

@desiM_y Ай бұрын

@BenjaminHenrySmith a person will (truly) repent because they're saved. Their heart has been made new by God and they're now alive in Christ.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

@@desiM_y Acts 2:37-38: "Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said to them, Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Acts 2:37-38 establishes that a person has to repent to have God save them.

@bradybrewer6516 Ай бұрын

Well said Pastor Jeff.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

What does a person have to do in order for them to receive salvation?

@JoelNCurry Ай бұрын

@@ChristianJune32002 Repent and believe the gospel

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

@@JoelNCurry Does a person have to be baptized with water in order for them to have God save them?

@JoelNCurry Ай бұрын

@@ChristianJune32002 no, baptism comes after salvation to point to what has already happened.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

@@JoelNCurry Acts 2:37-38: "Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said to them, Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Acts 2:37-38 establishes that a person has to have a person baptize them with water to have God remit their sins. Therefore a person has to have a person baptize them with water to have God save them.

@Chesterchurch 28 күн бұрын

When I went to reformcon last October, I lost my voice instantly. And so did Jeff. It was strange

@geodegirls8874 Ай бұрын

I understood what you were saying in the debate. Ppl are making accusations without having listed to your previous talks.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

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@geodegirls8874 Ай бұрын

@@ChristianJune32002 they have to see and admit their sin

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

@@geodegirls8874 YES OR NO?

@BenQ.-ys4kp 10 күн бұрын

What debate?

@dannychapman456 Ай бұрын

This was more fleshed out than the original talk - thanks. I think had you fleshed this out more for Sam - at a minimum, it would have given him pause to ponder it more - perhaps. When the death penalty is executed the way God says it should be it leads to less death and more life - it reaffirms the value of life.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

What does a person have to do in order for them to receive salvation?

@AutumnLuvsJesus 20 күн бұрын

I notice you are heavily tattooed and have added many over the years, pastor. What do you say about Leviticus 19:28? “You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the Lord.” NKJV ‭‭ I have quite a few tattoos, but this was before I read that! What do you think? The first part of the sentence specifies marks FOR the dead, but the second specifies markings in general. This seems to be one of those scriptures that people explain away in order to fit their own context, but it is very clear.

@emustick 26 күн бұрын

It’s not often to hear max headroom references these days. Shows I’m in the right place.

@PrayerTable Ай бұрын

I love this when you catch the Pharisees

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

DOES A PERSON HAVE TO REPENT TO BE SAVED?

@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Ай бұрын

Just so you know our new friend has repeated this exact question on many times under other comments.

@VirginiaPowers Ай бұрын

A lot of how great Jeff is

@darinbracy8433 Ай бұрын

How are you guys trying to win the education battle? Clearly the pro-abortion people have the educational advantage and they are using that to drive the current ballot measures in numerous states like Ohio. How do you overcome this advantage?

@caseycockerham3925 Ай бұрын

How do they have an educational advantage?

@Postmillhighlights Ай бұрын

What are you trying to do?

@darinbracy8433 Ай бұрын

@@caseycockerham3925 Public education in government classes notes that abortion is constitutional and in health classes they call it healthcare.

@darinbracy8433 Ай бұрын

@@Postmillhighlights Change hearts. How many years did it take to get the Civil Rights Act to pass and even after the passage how long until the states stopped fighting it? Once people started to change their hearts and see the evil of discrimination they continued to fight against it. Until you change hearts it won’t change anything. Convert them then they will see your point.

@caseycockerham3925 Ай бұрын

@@darinbracy8433 Quite true, thanks 👍

@HeritageRestored Ай бұрын

It is saddening to me that after raising the issue of abolition last week with folks in authority of a local body that they may look up the issue and see one leader calling another leader a "cult leader". Why is he voldemort to you Jeff and to Samuel Sey? Why not say his name?

@amichiganblackman3200 Ай бұрын

Who are they talking about?

@HeritageRestored Ай бұрын

@@amichiganblackman3200It seems clear that he is speaking of T Russell Hunter

@GoodPersonTestWebsite Ай бұрын

Maybe because it's not just one person or one group. Too much division. It all needs to stop.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

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@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Ай бұрын

Just so you know our new friend has repeated this exact question on many times under other comments.,

@justinyoung2281 Ай бұрын

When I seen that James White clip. I was new to reformed and calvinism. And so I didn't check him out for like 2 years. I've been an abolitionist, post mill. Theonomist for a hand full of months. This video isn't about me but I didn't appreciate it.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

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@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Ай бұрын

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@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Ай бұрын

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@justinyoung2281 Ай бұрын

@@ChristianJune32002 yes

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

@@justinyoung2281 DOES A PERSON HAVE TO LET A PERSON BAPTIZE THEM WITH WATER IN ORDER FOR GOD TO SAVE THEM?

@billybob-wx2re Ай бұрын

man, jeff tryin' to get me to move to arizona

@anunjuststeward2466 Ай бұрын

I want to start by saying that I respect and admire what all of you are doing on the abolishonist front. You think circumspectly on the topic of abortion, which believers are instructed to do, in all our ways (Eph 5:15). However, I'm a little confused about how brother Jeff seems so surprised by how unjust our justice system is in reality. People being convicted by the testimony of false witnesses, racial partiality, by judges and jurors, the list goes on. Has he not given attention to some examples of the injustices in history? Example, The Central Park Five. Or is his surprise moreso about the fact that this is still going on unchecked? Help a brother out here.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

DOES A PERSON HAVE TO REPENT TO BE SAVED?

@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Ай бұрын

Just so you know our new friend has repeated this exact question many times under other comments.

@anunjuststeward2466 Ай бұрын

@@ChristianJune32002 Yes

@anunjuststeward2466 Ай бұрын

@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Are you referring to me? If so, this is my first time commenting on this channel.

@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Ай бұрын

@@anunjuststeward2466 No, The first reply.

@DavidZechariah Ай бұрын

"Murder is punished by Capitol Punishment, in a place; It's the death penalty and thats Just, 'that can be Just In GOD'S LAW', Its Not Always Just'!" WOE. Skirrrrrt. Yes, Dear Brother Jeff, It {Murder being Punished by Death at the Command} IS Always "Just" . Do You mean, that Mercy can be shown (holding back Justice)‽ Cause, That would be True. But, "The Comand is Holy, Righteous, and Just", as Is Faithful Obedience.

@loganswartz6949 Ай бұрын

If you listen a bit further, Jeff explains why. Your comment shows that it was rushed and not listening to what was said. I would say please slow down and listen. The reason why we are in this mess is because there are so many people throwing out comments without being quick to listen and slow to speak. Thanks

@DavidZechariah Ай бұрын

i will listen again slowly, and go on to listen slowly.. patiently. ill admit i was in a hurry; and there's a lot of reasons, but lest my paralysis look like i'm making excuses -ill do as i said without giving You the details of suffering. Appreciate Ya

@DavidZechariah Ай бұрын

@@loganswartz6949 oh, i didnt see the indictment of me Not being quick to listen and slow to spaak. i had to go back and hit "more" to see the rest on this old phone; i thought i read it all. i see it now! GOD Bless Y-o-u, Logan. ((Maybe You can chalk that up to being quick to answer and slow to explore all there was to read)) The reason We are in this mess could be attributed to Feminism, Tribalism, over-all the Fall (but, being quick to speak and slow to listen is Not the reason‽-lol-). Please explain what You mean, Friend.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

DOES A PERSON HAVE TO REPENT TO BE SAVED?

@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Ай бұрын

Just so you know our new friend has repeated this exact question on many times under other comments.

@zethesjourney4389 23 күн бұрын

Who is Jeff talking about? Just say your peace

@dewuidew Ай бұрын

39:28 - 41:47 I think it’s paradoxical Durbin says all this (as it pertains to abolitionists) but wouldn’t say the same thing as it pertains to his views on the Bible, Calvinism, etc I usually like Durbin, but I just find it paradoxical (maybe even hypocritical) how he can say this out one side of his mouth for this “category” of Christianity and then goes and vilifies or ‘won’t even engage’ with a guy like Leighton Flowers If Sam is a Christian and Leighton is a Christian - why slam others for vilifying/belittling Sam, yet be perfectly fine vilifying and belittling Leighton? 🤔

@AlignWithJesus 17 күн бұрын

To be fair, on their videos pertaining to Calvinist doctrines, I’ve heard them make this exact point pertaining to that are as well. That within the church reformed/Calvinists often come off as very holier than though and demeaning to our brothers and sisters and we need to keep ourselves in check and self reflect on our hearts often as Calvinists.

@trfatman Ай бұрын

I laughed when you said, "Max Headroom". You dated yourself, brother. 😂 When you talked about vilifying our brother and eating our own, from a political view I see the same thing in libertarianism. If you are not as pure libertarian as someone else, you get called a "statist". Our justice system in the USA is so broken that while I believe in capital punishment as a just penalty for some crimes, I don't support capital punishment in our current justice system

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

DOES A PERSON HAVE TO REPENT TO BE SAVED?

@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Ай бұрын

Just so you know our new friend has repeated this exact question many times under other comments.

@DavidZechariah Ай бұрын

BRIDE Of CHRIST In Illinois -Where You at‽ Who are Y-o-u; what CHURCH Fellowship? i am in central ILL-State, under ChîRhôpher Lazarus, In CHRIST. Get ahold of Him or i -E.A.N. ~sDg

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

What does a person have to do in order for them to receive salvation?

@airikd6535 Ай бұрын

36:40 Does this line of reasoning apply to Leighton flowers @soteriology101 also? 🤔 I mean, you guys are all about preaching equal weights and measures right.

@jackcrow1204 Ай бұрын

Do you think Jeff hates Leighton? He always has considered him a brother

@cesarchavez9897 Ай бұрын

@jackcrow1204 is he? A heretic who preaches a god that learns, that is suprised by the future, that is under the sovereignty and autonomy of man, and a god who accomplish nothing but makes salvation only possible for the most sensible? Nah.

@airikd6535 Ай бұрын

@@jackcrow1204 they've blocked him on social media platforms and refuse to engage with him personally. Double standards while preaching the opposite

@airikd6535 Ай бұрын

@@cesarchavez9897 perfect picture of the heart rationalizing away equal weights and measure.

@jackcrow1204 Ай бұрын

Wait, I'm confused Just because they block him on SM doesn't mean they hate him or want him crucified or anything like that How is this unequal with respect to what they said in that timestamp?

@melanierollins508 Ай бұрын

I watched the debate with Sam, thought you did great, both of yall did great and understood both sides. I believe it should be abolished, it is murder no matter how you look at it, good conversation

@VirginiaPowers Ай бұрын

Wait, now you're saying that all those bills of abolition you encouraged me to support are not any good because they don't adequately address the penal issues, which YOU knew going in, and we'd have to have a separate bill to address those issues. And because we have an unjust penal system,which you knew. I think you need to repent of misinforming people who listen to you

@gregogrady8027 Ай бұрын

Ok… where is the debate?

@Rippingthewall Ай бұрын

2 videos ago bruh

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

DOES A PERSON HAVE TO REPENT TO BE SAVED?

@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Ай бұрын

Just so you know our new friend has repeated this exact question many times under other comments.

@gregogrady8027 Ай бұрын

@@Rippingthewall Two videos ago was the Jehovah witnesses knock on pastors door posted 10 days ago. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/abykg65imKqumHk.html

@gregogrady8027 Ай бұрын

@@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 What do you mean?

@collynsmith786 Ай бұрын

I would call it cage stage abolitionist.

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

What does a person have to do in order for them to receive salvation?

@josephtripoli5069 Ай бұрын

Jeff, If you truly think, and I believe you do, that the viewer comments & opinions being shared online are both detrimental and undermining to a believer's overall Christian mindset, growth, development, unity and relationships... then let's fix it, Jeff. Start right now... do your part... lead by example... and shut down the Apologia comments section. It's plain & simple and very easy to do... and you would show yourself to be highly consistent with the words you speak and the message communicated as part of this video presentation. I am certainly not telling you what to do here, but please understand that by allowing such vitriol to be cultivated thru the unhealthy bantering... right here on the Apologia KZfaq channel... then, with all due respect, you are clearly "accommodating" the very problems/issues you supposedly stand against. Hmmm... Please, Jeff Consider these words... Think it through... and I welcome your thoughts.

@SuperExodus13 Ай бұрын

You guys should watch Jon Harris's recent podcast/debate on this issue. Allegedly T. Russell Hunter railed on Jeff for his stance on the 1800's abortion law in AZ.

@AbolishAbortionWY Ай бұрын

Russel did not "rail" on Jeff. That's slander and speading "allegedly" claims is both gossip and slander. Jeff just corrected something he didn't explain correctly and Russel talked about that thing that Jeff did not explain correctly. We have a quickly growing movement "abolitionists" full of wheat and tares. Online keyboard warriors on each side are causing division and discord and there is so much of it that it is causing issues. Please don't add to the problem. Thanks.

@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Ай бұрын

That's sad to hear. I've learned a lot from Russell. I hope and pray he repents.

@metaplayground436 Ай бұрын

Russel did not "rail" on Pastor Jeff. I don't know why you find it helpful to spread "allegedly" inflammatory claims. That's called gossip and is unhelpful. The problem we are facing here is that the abolitionist movement has grown EXTREMELY fast. Anyone can claim to be an abolitionist. Thus, the movement is full of wheat and tares. No one is vetted. Thus we have keyboard warriors claiming to be abolitionists slandering others. I don't see any of this within the actual abolitionist groups but only on KZfaq comment sections. We have to remember that we can't assume that everyone speaking from a certain point of view: 1. Actually holds that position or 2. Is really a Christian. I love pastor Jeff and have been a long time supporter of Apologia Studios through all access. I love Russel and have been a not as long supporter of Abolitionists Rising. We have brothers and sisters leading a charge against the gates of Hell and the Abortion holocaust and some tension between us over important issues. We need to show grace and keep in mind that we are dealing with a highly emotional issue as millions of children are being slaughtered all around us.

@AKhardcore1 Ай бұрын

"Railed on" is hyperbolic.

@akremer94 Ай бұрын

Yeah, that didn't happen

@clintwarwick2191 Ай бұрын

We need to love the lord with all our heart , strength, and mind,Idy and soul. And also reject The False Demonic Doctrin of John Calvin

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

DOES A PERSON HAVE TO REPENT TO BE SAVED?

@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Ай бұрын

Just so you know our new friend has repeated this exact question many times under other comments.

@mrokesene Ай бұрын

Go get some sleep mate haha

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

DOES A PERSON HAVE TO REPENT TO BE SAVED?

@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Ай бұрын

Just so you know our new friend has repeated this exact question many times under other comments.

@BotvsBots Ай бұрын

Yoo Apologia nation my parents said if I hit 10k they’d buy me a professional camera begging you guys please!!.

@lefebre27 Ай бұрын

Get out of here man

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

What does a person have to do in order for them to receive salvation?

@clintwarwick2191 Ай бұрын

I used to love watching you debate Mormans and witnesses, until I found Sam shamoun and he informed me that you and James white are Calvinist , that's soooooo crazy you belive that on a a certain elect of people are saved, that's KRAZY DEMONIC

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

DOES A PERSON HAVE TO REPENT TO BE SAVED?

@Postmillhighlights Ай бұрын

Ephesians 1:4 [4] even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him… Romans 8:33 [33] Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Sooo crazy.

@Courtney85 Ай бұрын

That’s not “crazy demonic“, it’s biblical. 1. Ephesians 1:4-5 - "For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will." 2. Romans 8:29-30 - "For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified." 3. 2 Timothy 1:9 - "He has saved us and called us to a holy life-not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time." 4. Acts 13:48 - "When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed." These verses highlight the concept of God's predestination of individuals for salvation according to His will and purpose.

@Quint-ib4nf Ай бұрын

I wish the Bible was pro life.

@chrismyers7624 Ай бұрын

Right. These guys fight against abortion while they believe their god keeps it going. How does that work? Why do they care about babies dying when their god purposefully killed them in a worldwide flood and doesn't answer their prayers to end abortion?

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

What does a person have to do in order for them to receive salvation?

@Quint-ib4nf Ай бұрын

@@ChristianJune32002 ?

@ChristianJune32002 Ай бұрын

@@Quint-ib4nf What does a person have to do in order for God to save them?

@Quint-ib4nf Ай бұрын

@@ChristianJune32002 I dont know.