Responsibility, Guilt, and the Ground of True Authority | Doug Wilson

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In this episode of Blog & Mablog, Pastor Doug Wilson discusses recent comments from Aaron Renn and a right view of responsibility, guilt, and the ground of true authority.
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@blogmablog4870
@blogmablog4870 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoying this episode? Check out Doug's audiobook, "Reforming Marriage: Gospel Living for Couples" canonpress.com/products/reforming-marriage-gospel-living-for-couples/
@colemichaels8071
@colemichaels8071 2 жыл бұрын
In the example you gave about a married couple coming to marriage counseling how does the man take responsibility in this instance?
@Yeshuite
@Yeshuite 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t recommend this book enough. I wish I read this before getting married, great book.
@GraceAlone50
@GraceAlone50 2 жыл бұрын
*skip it
@grantarmbruster6591
@grantarmbruster6591 2 жыл бұрын
@@Abigail-gf7cg so Authority flows then from the unsaved spouse?
@grantarmbruster6591
@grantarmbruster6591 2 жыл бұрын
@@Abigail-gf7cg I completely and totally disagree all authority flows from God
@JonJaeden
@JonJaeden 2 жыл бұрын
I can't get the image of the first Adam standing between God and Eve asking that judgment fall on him and the second Adam standing between God and his bride doing the same out of my mind. That one's going to stay with me. Thank you.
@YSLRD
@YSLRD 2 жыл бұрын
It brought tears to my eyes.
@colinmacguire
@colinmacguire 2 жыл бұрын
Same here. My eyes welled up when I realised I've not been loving my wife as Christ loves the church.
@ksteak27
@ksteak27 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! My young marriage was nearly derailed by acts of unfaithfulness. She was guilty of what she did... but I was absolutely responsible for allowing it to happen. I created and fostered situations that led to problems... and this was a total dereliction of my duty as her husband. It was really hard for a while, but I'm happy to say that we are celebrating 20 years of marriage this year and our relationship could not be better! There is REAL forgiveness and restoration in Christ! I could not be happier with the bride of my youth!!! We are as close as close can be. I adore her far more than I did even before things went bad. God is good! Restoration is real... and it is beautiful! Forgive much as you are forgiven much!!! We now have 7 kids and a blissful marriage. I will love and adore this woman forever!!
@friendshipchronicles
@friendshipchronicles 2 жыл бұрын
How did you work through this?
@matshepomaseko3070
@matshepomaseko3070 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful !!! And glorious ❤
@jamesbarger5241
@jamesbarger5241 2 жыл бұрын
I love your comment, great to see people who believe in the marriage covenant and true forgiveness. I was truly encouraged reading this. God bless.
@davmatheophilus159
@davmatheophilus159 2 жыл бұрын
@Randall Moore Absolutely.
@friendshipchronicles
@friendshipchronicles 2 жыл бұрын
@Randall Moore thank but i was hoping for his answer obviously. Surely there were moments of despair, hopelessness, anger etc. Asking how he got through this in no way diminishes the power of Jesus but just saying the power of Jesus doesn’t answer my question.
@SomeGuy-hr5og
@SomeGuy-hr5og 2 жыл бұрын
I always knew headship had to be a much deeper and more active role than just "tie-breaker", and this seems like a very scripturally well-reasoned and practical alternative to that idea. Thank you.
@adamwalker2377
@adamwalker2377 2 жыл бұрын
If the husband is to bear the responsibility for his wife's behavior, he MUST have the power to enforce her obedience to his instructions. On his own without borrowing the authority of the pastors, counselors, elders, etc. If he can't exact penalties on his wife for disobedience, then he cannot be held responsible.
@aallen5256
@aallen5256 2 жыл бұрын
@@adamwalker2377 What kind of ‘penalties’ do you have in mind Adam?
@michaelclark2458
@michaelclark2458 2 жыл бұрын
@@adamwalker2377 good point, I didn't exactly hear how Doug expects the husband is supposed to enforce her obedience in a godly christian way.....especially in a matriarchal system like we have today.
@adamwalker2377
@adamwalker2377 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelclark2458 they never do, and they never will.
@adamwalker2377
@adamwalker2377 2 жыл бұрын
@@aallen5256 whatever is reasonable to the disrespect dished out. Obviously a simple mistake would be treated differently than outright rebellion, for instance.
@carterborgelt6713
@carterborgelt6713 2 жыл бұрын
I’m still in high school but I need to take more time to learn about this stuff now so that I won’t be rushing to when I need it lol
@kated4359
@kated4359 2 жыл бұрын
This made so much sense; I’d love to hear more!
@briancasey4917
@briancasey4917 2 жыл бұрын
Well stated. This is something I have been saying for years. The man bears the responsibility for covenant leadership.
@jaquirox6579
@jaquirox6579 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Uncle Doug.
@MyPetRex
@MyPetRex 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. Hard in this culture, but 100% right on truth.
@lindseyswinborne4985
@lindseyswinborne4985 2 жыл бұрын
To give an example from a healthy marriage: This week I was recovering from Omicron, battling PMS, dealing with tooth pain and trying to help one obstinate teen do a Science Fair Project and another obstinate teen prepare for a mission trip. I was extremely cranky and nit-picky with my husband, which caused him to be irritable and rude to me. Both of us were choosing to walk in sin because of our stress, but the next day, he took responsibility and apologized for being harsh, which inspired me to apologize for sinning with nagging, and he then gave me a nice back and neck massage and lots of hugs to encourage me to push through my stress, and remembered to pray for me instead of just ignoring me. He wasn't guilty for my sins, but had his own sins to work on and realized that he was responsible for where our ship was heading and was going to do everything within his power to change the course of the ship. This example takes place in a marriage where the man and woman both love Jesus wholeheartedly and want to obey him. However, I have seen marriages where one spouse is serving the Lord and the other is choosing to walk in unrepentant sin and the ship then hits an iceberg even if the Captain is trying valiantly not to. A cousin had a wife who committed adultery, left him, left the church, and tried to take his children from him. He was in full submission to his church leaders through the whole situation and lived through a few years of hellish heartbrokenness until God restored his joy and brought a lovely and devout Christian woman into his life. So, there isn't always a happy ending for the marriage even if the man is fully seeking Christ as the covenant head.
@gtolose
@gtolose 2 жыл бұрын
But where the ship hit the iceberg and the ship went down where is the "taking responsibility " bit. Because taking out another ship seems to be reckless, what about the Captain who wanted to be the captain could not because some of the other "better connected" captains were able to persuade the company to allow them to be captains even after they had run ships into the ice. But here we are getting into the humans bit, some people will get many opportunities some will get none and we humans take what we can get, not terribly Christian but thats the reality, we dress it up but take what u can is how we actually live. Should the captain have said, no more ships, I'll let someone else have that option - of course he didnt - he took what he could, we all do thats how we live.... largely.
@jeffcooper9363
@jeffcooper9363 2 жыл бұрын
Much needed guidance here.
@rickpalmer9495
@rickpalmer9495 2 жыл бұрын
As always, excellently said.
@fedaykincmndr
@fedaykincmndr 2 жыл бұрын
This was probably the most clear, detailed, and concise explanation of federal headship I've ever heard. Well done, sir, and thank you.
@williambryant6854
@williambryant6854 2 жыл бұрын
I'm loving you videos. Keep it up. It's nice to get an intellectually sound biblical view on the everyday struggles of people in a fallen world. I've been trying to walk in the spirit for only a few years and I want you to know that these videos, while entertaining, are really a light in shining through the muck of secularism and spineless and or opportunistic false teachers . I haven't made up my mind if your opinion is scripturaly 100 but I am studying the Word as much as possible and I haven't found reason to disagree yet. AGAIN KEEP IT UP ! and thank you.
@taracrist4126
@taracrist4126 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. I truly appreciate your content. God bless. 🙏
@gracethesinner8395
@gracethesinner8395 2 жыл бұрын
Probably one of my top favourites of your work due to the centrepiece of the gospel. Very wholesome, very underrated!
@adamq3158
@adamq3158 2 жыл бұрын
The problem is it becomes very hard to distinguish guilt from responsibility, without ending up with what looks a lot like the general evangelical counseling session where the husband is the one who needs to deal with the faults because the buck stops with him, even if it is the wife who is doing xyz. So I think the concern that "isn't this just what the feminists are saying?" has some legitimacy if for no other reason than what appears to be the practical outcome. A captain on a ship for example is not merely responsible, he is also guilty for negligence in the overseeing of his ship.
@monew632
@monew632 2 жыл бұрын
This is glorious! Thank you, Pastor. 💕
@viridisxiv766
@viridisxiv766 2 жыл бұрын
working in middle managment for the first time (been at it a few years now) taught me all about blame and responsibility. if some one in the factory screws up they are to blame for the mistake, but im responsible for it. life actually gets alot better once you accept this and people will respect you more. its the same dynamic as being the head of a family. it reminds me of something i read in the bible recently, some thing about "those who humble themselves will be exhalted and those who exhalt themselves will be humbled".
@grantarmbruster6591
@grantarmbruster6591 2 жыл бұрын
But in middle management you have some authority over the person that you are responsible for
@TheMrvince44
@TheMrvince44 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent observations, Uncle Doug, of what Adam should have done to take responsibility, like Christ had. Thank you. More illustrations of godly responsibility need to seep into men's training, as I fear C.S. Lewis is correct that we have raised too many boys without chests that know and act on not only taking responsibility for themselves, but also taking responsibility for others as their roles in leadership, family, and society require, being imitators of Christ. A hint for the third person plural in the depths of KZfaq comments here, if you as aman ever catch yourself saying "not my fault, not my problem " regarding any moral ill in society, then you are the problem, first Adam, please look to the second quickly.
@kirkmcmillan1974
@kirkmcmillan1974 2 жыл бұрын
Powerful presentation and a glorious take on what Jesus did in "stepping between" God and his bride. Practically, what does this mean for a pastor's sermon or an apostle's letter? Do these authorities step around the husband and address a wife directly? I've sat in too many Mother's Day sermons extolling feminine virtue (while admonishing men for not appreciating the gift that the ladies are) only to have the Father's Day sermon sound like a faint echo of that same sermon 4 weeks earlier (encouraging them stop slacking off especially when it comes to honoring the gentler sex). I hear Paul addressing hubands AND wives when he writes to the churches. Wouldn't it be appropriate to have subsequent church leaders provide that same direct teaching?
@louamato6332
@louamato6332 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Doug, for this and many other "talks" you have graciously shared with the body of Christ. I truly believe you have been raised for a time such as this. God bless you.
@colinmacguire
@colinmacguire 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Doug. This was superbly convicting and encouraging. Please do write more on this topic.
@richardknottek6618
@richardknottek6618 2 жыл бұрын
I must confess and bit of envy for your wisdom, and a great deal of thankfulness for your sharing of it...
@locklug6612
@locklug6612 2 жыл бұрын
From what I understand the bible teaches, I, as a Christian man, am to accept all the responsibility and cost of being head of the house with no authority or any kind of elevation or benefit. In other words, a doormat. Please understand, I am not being flippant. I truly struggle with this. What am I missing?
@kirksaintpatrick3921
@kirksaintpatrick3921 2 жыл бұрын
I am struggling with this as well.
@karanadon137
@karanadon137 2 жыл бұрын
Adding this one to a list of favorites. Thank you for this.
@Me-ic3li
@Me-ic3li 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful message. Thanks for sharing this Pastor Doug
@jeffyoung2089
@jeffyoung2089 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Doug!
@jakesanders136
@jakesanders136 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to hear you talk about imprecatory prayers. Thank you for your ministry.
@joeiiiful
@joeiiiful 2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding and certainly correct. My experience is that few people in or out of Christianity understand "Responsibility".
@grantarmbruster6591
@grantarmbruster6591 2 жыл бұрын
Or authority. Or obedience. Or fault. Or sin for that matter.
@hudjahulos
@hudjahulos 2 жыл бұрын
Doug writes about those lessons very powerfully in "What I learned in Narnia."
@NoKingButChrist1689
@NoKingButChrist1689 2 жыл бұрын
Stuff I wish I knew years ago.
@TheCannonofMohammed
@TheCannonofMohammed 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant, yet again.
@BethyTank
@BethyTank 2 жыл бұрын
So great. American Evangelicals need to hear more of this!!
@Xandy2dandY
@Xandy2dandY 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, more on this please~
@cpjorgeeduardopenajimenez6373
@cpjorgeeduardopenajimenez6373 2 жыл бұрын
Great, brother Doug.
@therealkillerb7643
@therealkillerb7643 2 жыл бұрын
Legitimate question; what do you mean by "responsible?" In the example given, the husband is "responsible" for the wife's sin, because he is her covenant head. But what does that actually entail? If he has no power to control her behavior, if he cannot stop her adultery, use physical force to get off her backside and complete her domestic duties, he cannot force her to perform her sexual duties without being accused of rape, etc., then what does him being responsible actually require him to do? In your ship example, the captain is still responsible, even if it is the helmsman who messes up the order. However, the Captain, ought to have known that this person's performance was off; he had power to correct that person, through his subordinates, even sanctions he could have brought to bear, to correct unacceptable behavior or to remove him from a position where he might endanger the ship. The captain is responsible because he did not use the lawful power available to him, to ensure that the ship did not go ground. But what power does the husband have to do anything except plead to his wife, or bring her before the elders of the church (which if she is acting the way described, she is unlikely to listen to). What can he do, other than divorce her? I mean, honestly, isn't that what Jesus does to unrepentant people inside His church; He separates them from Himself for all eternity? These are all honest questions and do not presume any agenda on my part; I really want to understand what you mean by "responsible."
@cadenhedlund5764
@cadenhedlund5764 2 жыл бұрын
I think that what he means is that the husband leads his wife by example, and his actions can dictate what his wife does. The wife has a reason for her unhappiness which may lead to sin, usually it's her husband. A husband who has wife problems doesn't really have wife problems, he has himself problems. I hope you understand what I mean by this.
@physicsman23
@physicsman23 2 жыл бұрын
This is a good question that I would like more clarification on
@physicsman23
@physicsman23 2 жыл бұрын
@@cadenhedlund5764 I don't think that that is necessarily true. Women can be unhappy even when they have the best husband, because if you make an idol out of your spouse, and look to your spouse for things that only God can satisfy you will be unhappy. God destroys idols. I do think there is some truth in what you're saying though, but I'm not really sure how and where that applies. I would really like Doug Wilson to speak on this
@cadenhedlund5764
@cadenhedlund5764 2 жыл бұрын
@@physicsman23 The best husband a woman could have is Jesus, I think that anyone less than that will make her unhappy at times
@physicsman23
@physicsman23 2 жыл бұрын
@@cadenhedlund5764 I would say that she needs Jesus as Lord and God, but a godly man as a lord and husband. God bless you brother!
@firstcenturychristianity6864
@firstcenturychristianity6864 2 жыл бұрын
Great article. My Christianity refined in massive ways when I realized the importance of the husband at the door when the judge comes. Something that is blowing my mind recently is in Ephesians 5. “And he is the saviour of the body”. Who is the subject of he? This is the only place in the NT where the word saviour is not capitalized.
@donnadeeday3720
@donnadeeday3720 2 жыл бұрын
Grace and Peace of the Lord our God. I completely agree with your episode today. Thank you. Donna~forgiven child of God
@farmerpete0768
@farmerpete0768 2 жыл бұрын
Doug, you have an awesome way of clearing explaining the proper biblical world view of this. For the last year or 2 I’ve been thinking exactly what you described and what Adam should have done: stepped between Eve and the serpent then between God and Eve if sin still manifested. Now I know that’s true and how to explain it apologetically in the sense of responsibility. 👏🏽
@dubyag4124
@dubyag4124 2 жыл бұрын
this is empowering - and it also links up perfectly with my grieving over ministers who refuse to step down when their house is in disarray. Their family suffers - their church suffers! What are they doing? Not taking responsibility. Is their son's or wife's sin his? Not at all, and that seems to be their reasoning. But is their family more important than the church they serve? YES!!! And what a God-glorifying display to the world and their church to step down to take responsibility for loving and shepherding their family first, then the church.
@thatreformedguy
@thatreformedguy 2 жыл бұрын
I have a question Pastor Doug, could you expand on the concept of the covenant head taking responsibility for the sins of the children as well. How exactly would that work especially when after a certain age, most kids kinda become quasi-independent? Thanks for this great video
@lyncunningham8255
@lyncunningham8255 2 жыл бұрын
So if I understand the analogy, the gentleman working two jobs and cleaning the house is bearing responsibility. This does not sound very different from the first option where the man is to blame.
@jamesgasaway7784
@jamesgasaway7784 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent analogy. As a Naval officer, I agree entirely. If you'd like to take the metaphor further, perhaps we might say that wives are enlisted while husbands are commissioned. I've told every Chief I've ever had, "You're in charge. I'm in command." Furthermore, the care and feeding role of Chiefs is precisely analogous to the wife's while the planning, oversight, and ultimate responsibility for the ship fall squarely on the officer husband.
@crimsondraak3024
@crimsondraak3024 2 жыл бұрын
As a naval officer are you allowed to institute discipline to enlisted when they do not follow orders? If your analogy is to hold over how does that translate for a husband trying to correct a wife?
@jamesgasaway7784
@jamesgasaway7784 2 жыл бұрын
@@crimsondraak3024 Absolutely. It's part of the job.
@crimsondraak3024
@crimsondraak3024 2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesgasaway7784 That’s great that it is part of the job in the military and I assume you mean for a husband. I am asking this question as a unmarried man who has seen several Christian men go through divorces. How does the analogy of disciplining a enlisted man translate over two disciplining a unruly wife? I would assume an officer in the military is backed up by military law in what they do but it doesn’t seem that the law backs up a husband when it comes to marriage. What are some practical examples for Christian husbands to implement discipline/lead in their marriages? I asked that question with the knowledge that the laws are against men when it comes to marriage and knowing that if the wife is just unhappy she can take almost everything from the man in a divorce even when there is no abuse or other legitimate reasons. An observation about the military example is the law backs up the officer when instituting discipline to the enlisted man but the law does not back up a husband in the marriage arena
@jamesgasaway7784
@jamesgasaway7784 2 жыл бұрын
@@crimsondraak3024 Excellent questions. I suspect it makes more sense to talk of discipling the wife while disciplining the Sailor. At the core, the analogy makes sense not because the man is to take punitive action against his wife but because the distinction between husband and wife is like that between officer and enlisted in that things only work well when all parties understand that one is truly in charge and must lead but is also ultimately responsible for outcomes. Marriages like ships run aground when there's a question of who's running the show.
@crimsondraak3024
@crimsondraak3024 2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesgasaway7784 I can see where you’re coming from on that. What do you think would happen to the officer if there were no laws backing up the officer? For example say that there were no consequences when the enlisted ignored direct orders from the officer because the law was on the enlisted man’s side but the officer was still responsible for the outcomes? Then let’s say as a reward when the enlisted man appeals to the officers superiors has the officer removed while taking half of the officers pay. How would a officer in the military practically deal with discipline in that scenario when the enlisted man not only did not need to listen to the officer but was incentivized by being able to take half the officers pay?
@sam_the_davidson
@sam_the_davidson 2 жыл бұрын
It's all Covenant all the way down!
@real.free.grace.9099
@real.free.grace.9099 2 жыл бұрын
The glasses look good, Doug.
@RoninofFortune
@RoninofFortune 2 жыл бұрын
Sir this was a very illuminating video for me! I mean I've known this principle for quite some time, but you spoke it very accurately! Easy to understand and straightforward. The only downside is the fact that many aren't going to get TO that kind of covenant in postmodern life. There's an ever growing disparity between the sexes and it seems like far too many men have lost very much. I mean all things work for the glory of the Lord, and this I believe wholeheartedly, but we may be looking at a near future with a great handful of celibate monks and polyamorous marriages. And I kid you not sir, I've seen articles from evangelical organizations making a case for it. It's mind blowing.
@kirksaintpatrick3921
@kirksaintpatrick3921 2 жыл бұрын
"May be"? It's already here and raising hell.
@daveanthony7431
@daveanthony7431 2 жыл бұрын
It sounds brutal hearing this while being in a modern world, but I do agree. However, who is responsible for when politicians allow these sinful rulings, and the people abide by them?
@finnfinn2381
@finnfinn2381 2 жыл бұрын
I dont understand. how come a person claims being a cristian, but then reject free will and blame on others.
@xxxViceroyxxx
@xxxViceroyxxx 2 жыл бұрын
@@finnfinn2381 which one of us is to blame for the bad things in the world? you or me?
@wynniwagner2003
@wynniwagner2003 2 жыл бұрын
Insightful
@rasheedoladipo
@rasheedoladipo 2 жыл бұрын
THIS!!!
@Cedartreetechnologies
@Cedartreetechnologies 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, Doug. Hard teaching. However, I do have an issue with the Captain analogy. It doesn't matter whether responsibility or authority comes first. What matters is that they be paired as with a ship's captain. The way to Hell is to have one without the other - as marriage does today.
@ginbejury
@ginbejury 2 жыл бұрын
Amen
@kirksaintpatrick3921
@kirksaintpatrick3921 2 жыл бұрын
Doug, there's a lot of good comments here. I hope you look through them. Thank you for broaching this subject. I would like a practical explanation of what "taking responsibility" actually means. There are numerous discussions here in the comments about the fact that men no longer have authority in the modern legal court when it comes to marriage. Egalitarianism has ruined that authority. At best, you might be able to get elders in the church or pressure from a wife's family to appeal to in order to keep her in line, but husbands in the modern world have no legal authority to do anything other than divorce. They should not rush to that. They should pursue counseling and every other means they can to save the marriage, but ultimately, they cannot force the woman to do anything. To me, the only fair option seems to be fast and immediate divorce at the first sight of trouble. This is NOT Biblical, and not at all conducive to fostering families in the long run. So this isn't the right answer. You are basically asking men to adhere to the Biblical depiction of marriage when a man has no actual authority or ability to enforce it. If one finds a good woman who choses to live a Christian life, the marriage can work. But if the woman changes her mind at any point, nothing can actually be done about it. I am not advocating that women should be forced to stay married, or forced to do anything. I am just pointing to the legal reality on the ground in the first world today. The old societal systems and expectations that prevented women from just divorcing on a whim no longer exist. I value your counsel and I think it's true that probably in 80+% of cases, if the woman is doing sinful shit, the man is in some what responsible. He chose to marry this person, or was an ineffective leader or teacher or example. I believe it's correct for the man to accept the responsibility for his part in this. But what can actual practically be DONE about this to correct the woman's behavior? Beyond divorce, I see no option. You cannot force one to believe. At best, you can convince people to take certain actions, often by enticement or reward. Any attempt at using force or fear will backfire and fail. This is an abuse of power in most instances, and destroys love. I guess what I'm struggling with is that, if a man marries a woman and then shit goes sideways.... if the woman does not desire to change (or the man for that matter), the entire marriage is scuttled. It is fucked and completely lost. You are left with staying together for the sake of the kids, whether you arrive at this for religious reasons, or practical reason or lack of options, or divorce. The Institution of marriage seems helpless fraught with unbelievable pain and peril. 15-20% of marriages will work out and be happy. 50% divorce. The rest suffer through profound alienation and all manner of sin for the sake of the kids or lack of better options. It seems like in the past it was 80% of marriages were unhappy and never ended, and that that was the point. The suffering and learning to bear our cross, but it was better for the kids and the future generation. If it's wildly wrong, on this call, me out on it. The state of things in the world today are it relates to marriage and the family are completely fucked up. We've got to figure out how to fix the problem but all I see are insurmountable problems. There is no way to re-establish the authority of the husband in society. And even if you could, there will be legitimate abuses preformed by some husbands. I would like to hope that those scenarios would be less overall evil than what we have currently, but I have no way of knowing. The majority of the world is not Christian and I simply do not see Christianity reversing it's waning influence in society. It would potentially be done via war, bloodshed and domination; but this would both be wrong, and the men who inhabit Christianity are not up to the task. No group of modern first world men are in my estimation. It would literally take the hand of God to save the institution of marriage at this point as far as I can see. EDIT: The other possibility is we lose all of our technology somehow, and the vast majority of those currently alive don't reproduce and die and we have some kind of "reboot". Yah know, like the Millennium
@robertlewis6915
@robertlewis6915 2 жыл бұрын
To be quite honest, I find nothing to call wrong in what I hear, but I'm a bit lost on how to "take responsibility"- what does that actually, practically mean?
@kirksaintpatrick3921
@kirksaintpatrick3921 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, we need practical examples.
@jamesc7526
@jamesc7526 2 жыл бұрын
I cannot dispute or argue with the theology Pastor Doug explained, he is correct. The root of the problem comes from the third party in today's marriages. The government. Being the covenant head of the marriage means the husband is indeed the responsible party when it comes to God. In the secular world however the husband has a proverbial gun held to his head by the government, at the slightest behest of the wife, regardless of who did the sinning. The simple truth of the matter is that there is such a massive divide between men and wmn today ( without even adding marriage to the mix) because we have ALL strayed so far from God's design for relationships/marriages that we can scarcely even interact with each other, let alone generally plan out a life together.
@johnmoss4624
@johnmoss4624 2 жыл бұрын
This is an interesting and novel idea to me. I am open to more discussion, because I struggle to understand what would be some practical examples of application. I'm not saying there aren't, I'm just saying I'm struggling to formulate them.
@jessedphillips
@jessedphillips 2 жыл бұрын
This is what I was thinking. A fantastic perspective and position but what does it mean practically? As a husband who loves his family and wants to do his best, what does this mean I need to be doing? How is it different from what I am doing? How is this born out practically in marriage?
@sellmorehomesnow
@sellmorehomesnow 2 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie… I wasn’t so sure about this response… until I heard it all the way through… then.. 🤩!!!
@jeremybrown-HelloJayBird
@jeremybrown-HelloJayBird 2 жыл бұрын
I like the specs.
@TheAustinDockery
@TheAustinDockery 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Doug! Big fan of your teaching and the manner in which you break things down. Can you offer more information about how young men, such as myself, can assume responsibility whenever his wife is to blame? What does that look like? How can he get better at taking on this role as the head?
@mikecatherine3224
@mikecatherine3224 2 жыл бұрын
I need to ruminate on this one, it makes sense. Can you please give some practical examples of this please? I've recently been thinking along these lines in regards to me being responsible to teach my wife and children about Christ.
@tedshoemaker923
@tedshoemaker923 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. Practical examples, please.
@jasoncoetzeeadadjjzjdatune9617
@jasoncoetzeeadadjjzjdatune9617 2 жыл бұрын
All ye heavenly paralegals hear this, these commandments are written in your hearts, and of the abundance of your heart your mouth will wait till scripture gives you the green light, paraphrasing of course. This is the same yesterday today and during the apocalypse. Doug isn't the attorney general In these matters, he's a highway patrolman, so give him a break, and get your tail lights fixed, before you cause an accident. Amen.
@grantarmbruster6591
@grantarmbruster6591 2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@saltymjane
@saltymjane 2 жыл бұрын
❤️
@andrewwaters2394
@andrewwaters2394 2 жыл бұрын
How do we take responsibility for something we didn’t do and not be lying?
@pilotandy_com
@pilotandy_com 2 жыл бұрын
It’s pretty hard for Adam to keep Eve from the serpent when the serpent is running the divorce courts. Looking for to hearing more about it.
@finnfinn2381
@finnfinn2381 2 жыл бұрын
well the story of Adam not applied today. Today is more like: Adam intervenes and tells Eve "dont do it", and Eve be like "I'll do it anyway and make you responsible for it". what? you want me to step on wah men to tell them to follow what is right now? welp, Jesus didnt tell me that. my hands are tied lool.
@davmatheophilus159
@davmatheophilus159 2 жыл бұрын
I think a woman will be very responsive to a man living a life of principled obedience to God.
@pilotandy_com
@pilotandy_com 2 жыл бұрын
@@davmatheophilus159 and a man in like manner toward a godly woman
@davmatheophilus159
@davmatheophilus159 2 жыл бұрын
@@pilotandy_com If people embroiled in difficult marriages would be honest with themselves, they could probably all admit, the partner they became attached to was chosen in haste, without adequate vetting for character, which is a character flaw in itself. This is why God tells us, if we do not forgive, nither will we be forgiven. There is undeniably, a wall of sin and pride between a troubled couple. One may have sinned more grievously against the other, but sin is always present.
@pilotandy_com
@pilotandy_com 2 жыл бұрын
@@davmatheophilus159 I don't disagree with you.
@mrscp04
@mrscp04 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic 👏 thank you for this! Also, my husband and I were recently pondering why Adam did not stop Eve from sinning. My husband said he thought Adams love for Eve made him take part. So she wouldn't go down alone. Personally I don't think it was love but cowardice. Idk, could you do a video on this? Thanks in advance, if you do.
@SteffanRhoads
@SteffanRhoads 2 жыл бұрын
How the heck do I learn and apply such simple wisdom!
@CharlesMarsh821
@CharlesMarsh821 2 жыл бұрын
I love the part about Adam stepping in when he should have = I am like Adam = Jesus fixed it, all of it.
@margaretwandel5660
@margaretwandel5660 2 жыл бұрын
Often a woman decides to get an abortion because the father has refused to take responsibility. He has either abandoned her or has urged/pressured her to get the abortion. Physicians have also been known to pressure a woman to get an abortion. Parents of the pregnant woman also apply pressure. I have also had clients ( I am a psychologist) who were in abusive marriages and the only way to escape was to avoid having another child at all costs while secretly saving money so she could sneak away while the husband was out. When there is an unwanted pregnancy there are usually many guilty parties. Who is in the position to take responsibility and sort out the mess depends on the specific circumstances.
@chrisschey7818
@chrisschey7818 Ай бұрын
I understand this distinction between blame & responsibility. Now, what is the husband to do as covenantal head of his adulterous, disobedient wife? If he just goes along, the children could be ruined. What if an unmarried girl gets pregnant & has an abortion & the man is not in the picture? She comes to deeply regret this & begs forgiveness of God. But how does it work when there is no covenant to obey? Is she just on her own & responsible for herself?
@jgrogg
@jgrogg 2 жыл бұрын
Well said. When you get a chance check your Gab chat please. Thanks
@xxxViceroyxxx
@xxxViceroyxxx 2 жыл бұрын
but would not douglas agree that authority has been removed from husbands and fathers by the state, therefore this principle is... i dunno, not fair somehow?
@grantarmbruster6591
@grantarmbruster6591 2 жыл бұрын
Life isn't fair but how do we as Christians navigate through this life.
@xxxViceroyxxx
@xxxViceroyxxx 2 жыл бұрын
@@grantarmbruster6591 did you intend to merely reassert my question without answering it?
@grantarmbruster6591
@grantarmbruster6591 2 жыл бұрын
@@xxxViceroyxxx I'm sorry with your pronunciation it looked like you were questioning if life was not fair. I was merely stating that it of course wasn't fair. And the real question is how do we navigate it. My apologies for misunderstanding
@Benjaminy2k
@Benjaminy2k 2 жыл бұрын
What is your hypothetical blameless but very much responsible man supposed to *do* about his wife's malfeasance?
@grantarmbruster6591
@grantarmbruster6591 2 жыл бұрын
This is what all Christian men really want to know. And the answer is and isn't "be more like Jesus " A) go die on a cross? B) fashion a whip and clear house? C) the something in-between? And if so what specifically is allowed and should be backed up by the church. And not just leave the husband twisting in the wind. If a woman has a "bad" husband pastors will move mountains to help them. If men have "bad" wives...crickets or be more like Jesus lip service. Convinced that you must be the problem and unchrist like.
@mr.english310
@mr.english310 2 жыл бұрын
100%
@susanbarks7625
@susanbarks7625 2 жыл бұрын
While perhaps not totally accurate, the terms certainty and uncertainty are useful to me for understanding the relationship between male and female. Essentially, whatever it's inaccuracies, a body of uncertainties does not make coherent sense without it first adopting or adhering to an assumption. Like running an experiment. A body of uncertainty adopting an overarching assumption, and visa versa, is an image of a marriage. Incorrect conclusions that the body of uncertainty produces as part of this shared body may be due to the inaccuracies in either one of the bodies of uncertainty or certainty. However, the body of certainty by definition includes an overarching truth claim and so by default is responsible for both any good or bad outcomes that result from within the shared body.
@nicholasgee9127
@nicholasgee9127 2 жыл бұрын
So.... I am somehow responsible for a poorly made sandwich?
@daveanthony7431
@daveanthony7431 2 жыл бұрын
hilarious lol
@physicsman23
@physicsman23 2 жыл бұрын
Your responsible for your response to it 😁
@otherbrothersteve
@otherbrothersteve 2 жыл бұрын
Dear Bro. Doug, We're going to need some operational principles on how to proceed. The Almighty might say, "Bro. Steve, what was that?" I need a better answer than, "Here am I, whack me." First, I note that the 'whacking' was already done once for all at Calvary. Furthermore, the hypothetical guy with the horrible wife wants the problem actually *solved*. I always appreciate your insights and don't disagree with any of them, but in this case, I'm not seeing how this is going to apply effectual fix-it pressure to an adulterous, spendy wife.
@kirksaintpatrick3921
@kirksaintpatrick3921 2 жыл бұрын
In my estimation, unless Doug can convince me otherwise, there is no other option than divorce. Divorce should never be pursued quickly, or as the first option, but divorce is permitted in the case of adultery.
@sheliemartin6690
@sheliemartin6690 2 жыл бұрын
God has command that we shall not murder. No nuance, or conditions. Mererly, you shall not murder.
@doctrinalwatchdog6268
@doctrinalwatchdog6268 2 жыл бұрын
In other words men are screwed either way
@cbeark
@cbeark 2 жыл бұрын
Im curious what your thoughts are in situations where the husband has become unable to lead in the case of things like dementia and other brain altering diseases. Where does this leave the wife? I remember reading about OT times being the brothers keeper in such situations but we dont have that anymore, how does God view such things then? Also, what of husbands stepping in to protect his wife from the attacks of his family? Such scenarios are not uncommon but are often swept under the catch all of "her" needing to "get over it and forgive", just to have the same abuse happen over and over. At what point does the husband step in, leave his father and mother, and cling to his wife to protect her from his family whom he knows wishes her harm? Many predatory people use Christianity to keep the abuse of the outsider going.
@southwife
@southwife 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Couldn't be clearer. Must be too much high fructose corn syrup intake if people can't understand....the reality is....what if the covenantal head refuses to take responsibility....so, like, what goes on all the time.....thanks again, for clarity with winsome tartness.
@grantarmbruster6591
@grantarmbruster6591 2 жыл бұрын
What is responsibility without authority. I note that Jesus had/has authority over his body/bride. When the church doesn't backstop the man's authority in the home upholding the right order of things against the world/ government/ feminist. What is a man to do? This is what frustrated me. Very curious for your thoughts.
@daveanthony7431
@daveanthony7431 2 жыл бұрын
very true, I feel he is true with his message. But there needs to be social/political protection so the common man can have the authority to protect the family.
@grantarmbruster6591
@grantarmbruster6591 2 жыл бұрын
@@daveanthony7431 what is a man to do when you will be arrested for cutting up the credit cards etc.
@jamesc7526
@jamesc7526 2 жыл бұрын
therein lies rub. Responsibility without authority is indentured servitude.
@good_brake
@good_brake 2 жыл бұрын
Jesus took responsibility for His bride before authority was given to Him, and the government and church put Him to death. It was only after He rose that all authority was given to Him and He ascended to the right hand of the Father. So we, as husbands, can imitate Him, take responsibility for our wives when we don't have authority, even if the government or church is antagonistic towards us, and after doing that faithfully, God will cause proper authority to be given freely to us. It's not formulaic, and it requires trusting God and obeying Him, even when it looks unpleasant.
@jamesc7526
@jamesc7526 2 жыл бұрын
@@good_brake that's just plain backwards. The "church" didn't exist till after Christ's crucifixion. Jesus died for the atonement of sins of all people not the church. The church is the gift of the Father to the Son, at which point, He became the head of the Bride
@CC-ii3ij
@CC-ii3ij 2 жыл бұрын
How can a Christian husband influence an openly rebellious wife? Let’s say she knows he has zero power. The courts will always take her side, so she literally does whatever she wants whenever she wants. She scoffs & screams accusations of abuse if he attempts to apply Bible verses. What leverage does the husband have?
@labradorite8256
@labradorite8256 2 жыл бұрын
This is Satans plan to divide families. I have seen just as many women who became Christian after their marriage and their husbands have not, and these are often cruel men. These women suffer terribly too, and wrestle constantly with the idea of divorce. My thought is that unless a man can step into the covenantal headship nothing will change. Women can't bootstrap themselves into leadership. A marriage that is rekindled in Christ can withstand this outside interference.
@grantarmbruster6591
@grantarmbruster6591 2 жыл бұрын
@@labradorite8256 you took a question about rebellious wives and turned it into being about cruel husbands.
@labradorite8256
@labradorite8256 2 жыл бұрын
@@grantarmbruster6591 you know what forget it, watch Doug's video again. I'm giving the op a clue as to where to start. Christians won't find justice in secular courts.
@grantarmbruster6591
@grantarmbruster6591 2 жыл бұрын
@@labradorite8256 no but I hope that we Christians can find justice preached alongside grace in the Church.
@pilotandy_com
@pilotandy_com 2 жыл бұрын
I really like what your daughter had to say. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eb6GaZRn1rrbkZ8.html In the captain/helmsman analogy, it’s not that the helmsman didn’t simply carry out orders, he actively sought mutiny!
@KENTEKELLER
@KENTEKELLER 2 жыл бұрын
Commanders are not responsible without authority. Strip a commander of his authority, and you cannot hold him accountable or responsible. Our culture and our churches have no place for husband’s authority, except in name only (and this only in more conservative churches). This, along with the wide acceptance of “No fault divorce” and the corresponding economic punishments associated with divorce for the innocent party, put our culture and churches out of step with the very authority of Scripture in unfathomable magnitude. Yet, we still expect couples to engage in this civil farse called "Marriage". Why the Christian church is not in a state of emergency over "No fault divorce" is beyond me. When there are no teeth (enforcement) to the covenant, expect domestic partnerships, gay marriage, polygamy, incest and pedophilia to follow. In the meantime, family lawyers get rich, marriage gets devalued, and the church becomes increasingly irrelevant to speak on this matter. Meanwhile, the churches are in a controversy over whether there should even be something called discipline or membership and whether it is really necessary to hold to six day creation over deep time and billions of years of evolution. The church is in a sorry state to be sure.
@kirksaintpatrick3921
@kirksaintpatrick3921 2 жыл бұрын
I think is is all accurate. The church has essentially no authority in society. It doesn't legally, and the ideas it espouses are a minority belief at present. Even if you marry a spouse that agrees to do it the Biblical way, there is absolutely nothing stopping her from, any any point in time, changing her mind. Should she fall out of belief, or even just get bored in the marriage, there is always a way out for her. The constant example of our society is an ever present danger.
@KENTEKELLER
@KENTEKELLER 2 жыл бұрын
@@kirksaintpatrick3921 Not only can she get out, she can get paid...for life. With kids! We all have a government mandated prenuptial agreement that invalidates our marriages. Church leaders are yawning.
@baremore6137
@baremore6137 2 жыл бұрын
What are the duties of the head?
@xbluesaintx
@xbluesaintx 2 жыл бұрын
I think I'm having some semantical and/or homographic difficulties with this concept and the dictionary isn't solving them.
@kristinacheeseman4574
@kristinacheeseman4574 2 жыл бұрын
This is a point our team constantly brings up when we do sidewalk ministry at the abortion mills. Men need to take serious the responsibility God has given them.
@aallen5256
@aallen5256 2 жыл бұрын
Have you been keeping up with the news in Poland, where last year they introduced one of the most restrictive abortion laws in Europe? A woman has just died on Tuesday as a direct result. And she is not the first. Access to safe abortion is a basic healthcare right. I think you should take seriously the responsibility God has given you, to stop haranguing those already undergoing traumatic medical procedures.
@grantarmbruster6591
@grantarmbruster6591 2 жыл бұрын
@@aallen5256 how is this abortion ban in Poland directly responsible for This Woman's death
@aallen5256
@aallen5256 2 жыл бұрын
@@grantarmbruster6591 Her name was Agnieszka T. She was admitted to to the Blessed Virgin Mary hospital in Częstochowa with abdominal pain. She was pregnant with twins, one of the foetus’ heartbeat stopped. Doctors refused to remove the foetus, quoting the current abortion legislation. They waited several days until the second foetus also died. A further two days passed before the pregnancy was terminated. “Her husband begged the doctors to save his wife, even at the cost of the pregnancy,” Agnieszka’s twin sister, Wioletta Paciepnik, said. After the termination, Agnieszka was moved from the gynaecological ward and her health continued to deteriorate. Her death, probably from sepsis, marks the first anniversary of the 2021 ruling that declared abortion due to foetal abnormalities illegal in Poland.
@aallen5256
@aallen5256 2 жыл бұрын
@@grantarmbruster6591 And Poland actually has less strict laws than Texas around this. In Poland you can carry out an abortion in cases of rape, or incest. Texas chose to include no protections for girls who have been raped or are victims of incest when they introduced their anti-abortion legislation.
@grantarmbruster6591
@grantarmbruster6591 2 жыл бұрын
@@aallen5256 so the hospital which hasn't even given official cause of death refused to abort the living child and for reasons yet unknown to me refused to remove the dead child which I think is the larger issue so while the body is not yet in the ground and you want to stand on it to own Republicans
@doraashby
@doraashby 2 жыл бұрын
Everyone sins, we are born in sin because of the original sin from Adam. Again your analogies are great and are helping me better understand why it’s so important to properly understand submission. The submission you preach is not “ultra-conservative” it’s biblical. So are you saying it’s wrong for a husband to do the cooking, I grew up in a house where my dad did the cooking?
@grantarmbruster6591
@grantarmbruster6591 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure where you got the idea that it's wrong for men to cook
@doraashby
@doraashby 2 жыл бұрын
@@grantarmbruster6591 I know it’s not wrong considering I grew up with a dad who cooked. But some people think only women should do that.
@grantarmbruster6591
@grantarmbruster6591 2 жыл бұрын
@@doraashby to use the analogy of the ship I guess it depends on what the captain wants done wouldn't it
@Ducklesworth
@Ducklesworth 2 жыл бұрын
Biggest regret in my entire life
@fredfunk1017
@fredfunk1017 2 жыл бұрын
So just wondering, . . . Is there a difference between testosterone and sin nature? ;)
@jonathonstrefling6541
@jonathonstrefling6541 2 жыл бұрын
Question: I'm following the responsibility portion, but it's it true that you don't think the woman that walks her baby to the alter of death doesn't deserve the death penalty after trial?
@bigcalvin
@bigcalvin 2 жыл бұрын
Eh, I’m not convinced Pastor Wilson.
@bigcalvin
@bigcalvin 2 жыл бұрын
Pastor Wilson is not going to convert any MGTOW with this talk. It might be helpful to see how marriage is a good thing... this only makes it clear that it is an enormous burden ending in the man getting beat down. A man is responsible for his adulterous wife??? Step in front of Almighty God for HER? It feels like a lesson in nihilism... she will fail and betray you, you are responsible, you get to die for her, she gets to walk, no resolution is ever had. All dreams and vows are futile. I don't actually disagree with Pastor Wilson, at least not much. However, I think that there is a lot of male resentment and a generation (or 5) that have never seen a responsible father figure or a respectful, loving mother figure. So, there needs to be a reckoning with the compounded epigenetic resentment that is going around and how to resolve the situation. I don't mean reckoning in the sense of justice, but calling it it out and working through it. And then once the resentment is confessed... what next?
@kirksaintpatrick3921
@kirksaintpatrick3921 2 жыл бұрын
@@bigcalvin What next indeed.... I don't know how what's to be done next.
@jonathonstrefling6541
@jonathonstrefling6541 2 жыл бұрын
Second question: I honestly don't know how the (murdered) baby's daddy, who isn't in a covenant relationship by marriage, should be "held" responsible. Should he be civily punished in some way as well depending on his involvement?
@johnpeters72
@johnpeters72 2 жыл бұрын
You guys should stop this little snippet of later on the video up front. Just start the video
@physicsman23
@physicsman23 2 жыл бұрын
I actually like that they do that Mr Peters
@johnpeters72
@johnpeters72 2 жыл бұрын
@@physicsman23 to each their own I guess. I find myself skipping it every time because I’d rather hear it in context.
@physicsman23
@physicsman23 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnpeters72 I like it because it grabs my attention, but then hearing it in context definitely helps
@jacobwhitus3715
@jacobwhitus3715 2 жыл бұрын
So who should be punished for abortion? He never really answers it.
@adamwalker2377
@adamwalker2377 2 жыл бұрын
Ok Doug. Here's where I think your arguments will die the death of cowardice and diversion. If the covenantal head is responsible, what tools does he have - on his own - to enforce obedience? If his wife won't obey his lawful commands, what be he do? Don't punt to someone else's authority (the pastor, elders, her father, etc). Don't punt to passive aggressive "influence". And no, obedience isn't a "matter of the heart" that can't be extracted. If you think otherwise, then the man taking responsibility is also a matter of the heart and can't be forced. In your example, the Captain can exact a whole host of penalties on his own without tattling to his superior. So I'll ask a second time. If the man is to take responsibility for and assume the penalties of his wife's disobedience, what powers does he have under his own prerogative to correct his wife's disobedience? Don't troll me, either. Please answer the question directly. What penalties may a husband exact on his wife? If none, then please retract your assertion that he is externally responsible for her behavior.
@grantarmbruster6591
@grantarmbruster6591 2 жыл бұрын
I've been listening Andre listening to this since it was posted and my question is also who gives the authority well it's the admiralty or the government or whatever Immunology that's the stand-in for God God made the hierarchy The Authority is given by God to the captain but he has all responsibility but no actual Authority other than saying he has some nebulous Authority what good is it
@aallen5256
@aallen5256 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not trolling, serious question - are you angling after physically disciplining wives? Or just disputing how one can be truly responsible for their behaviour?
@adamwalker2377
@adamwalker2377 2 жыл бұрын
@@aallen5256 don't drag this conversation away with red herrings. Doug says men are responsible, and he uses the example of the captain of the ship bearing the cost for the mistake of his underling. However, in that case the captain has power over his subordinates that compensates him for bearing the responsibility for the things that his subordinates do. If the husband is to bear the consequence of his wife's misbehavior, because he is the covenantal head, then what powers does the husband have to enforce obedience of the wife with his instructions? And again, I mean what powers does he PERSONALLY have which offset the obligation Doug says he should PERSONALLY bear for his wife? Don't tell me how he can use the elders or the pastor or her father or her best friend that she respects more than her husband. What can HE do? Please don't change the subject to spousal abuse. You may not be meaning to do that, but some feminist is going to troll through here and see you ask that question and run with it.
@adamwalker2377
@adamwalker2377 2 жыл бұрын
@@aallen5256 in a much shorter way, I mean your second question. If he is going to be truly responsible and answerable for her, then what authority should he rightly be able to exercise to make sure he doesn't end up in a position where he has to bear a consequence of her behavior? And if she does put him in that position out of rebellion to his authority, what can he do to correct the situation? And I mean specifically what can HE do not someone else who can act for him. Because if the answer is "nothing" then he shouldn't have any responsibility.
@aallen5256
@aallen5256 2 жыл бұрын
@@adamwalker2377 I definitely can see that you’re just interrogating the question of responsibility - but those feminists might not like the possible implications of personal power to punish!!
@doczang700
@doczang700 2 жыл бұрын
So God is the failure when I sin? Hmmm. Isn't that the same thing you're saying right now?
@eastwardeast2406
@eastwardeast2406 2 жыл бұрын
Let me save the niceties till the end. You say, "he (a safe assumption that it's Adam) should have stepped in between his wife and the serpent." This statement contains an assumption. The statement assumes Adam was present during the conversation between Eve and the Serpent. If this is true, then would not Adam have been partnering with the serpent (even if indirectly) to bring about is own wife's suicide? Adam, which is recorded in the New Testament, was NOT deceived (1 Timothy 2:14). I state that for those who do not know the New Testament, and not for you. Now let me try to see if you were thinking in a different way, the "stepped in between" part and also which I'm now sensing a reaching for more assumptions on my part, that Adam was not present but knew the conversation would be taking place. Would he still not be guilty forming a "unholy partnership" by knowing a conversation was going to happen but did nothing to prevent it. Hopeful we all see where this leads, assumption layered on by more and more assumptions--"nor shall you touch it..." An assumption can lead to acceptance of an idea that did not come from above. Let's quickly look at another "assumption" which is that Adam was not present and did not know that a conversation between Eve and the Serpent was going to occur. This may mean Adam realized when he saw the fruit on Eve's person that the wages of sin was death and chose death because he knew Eve would not be in his world. Christ before the foundation of the world chose death of the cross, knowing we would not be in His world unless He died for us. Therefore, the last enemy to be destroy is death--gulp (little Biblical humor intended). Now to the niceties. I've watched several of your videos now and find myself saying Amen, Amen to various topics you bring up. Thank you for doing your best to present truth as you perceive and understand it. :) Lastly, some may be wondering why I focused only one point in the whole vid, that's because others have already focused on other various points. Again thank you for your courage to produce insights into Biblical topics.
@OscarSchneegans
@OscarSchneegans 2 жыл бұрын
Your analogy is wrong. A rebellious wife is not an irresponsible helmsman. She's a mutineering Executive Officer. When the XO mutinees, they punish the XO, not the Captain.
@jobinjobes9095
@jobinjobes9095 2 жыл бұрын
First Doug says authority “flows” to people who take responsibility, as if it is an inert gas that spontaneously manifests in the presence of a man “declaring headship.” Then he says authority cannot be taken, it can only be given. The question is, who bestows the authority? Christ had authority because it was given Him by God the Father, not because He “took responsibility as the covenant head and it flowed to Him.” Doug Wilson is merely beating the same drum Jordan Peterson beats: “Back to the reservation man-child! Man up, marry and take responsibility for these women who have literally spent their whole existence constructing a life as independent of men as possible.” And the trad-cons love invoking Christ as justification for this. But it is non-analogous, because Christ is God-incarnate and has the power to cover the sins of past AND present. To take the abortion example: If these women had the abortion outside of marriage, then who is to take “responsibility?” There is no “covenant head.” Does her eventual husband retroactively take responsibility? How? Does he also have the power to reach back in time? Is he responsible for all of his wife’s past sins, all the way to her childhood?? Authority needs to be explicitly given to men. Doug and the rest of the trad-con coterie seem to have no problem explicitly assigning responsibility to men, so I don’t see why they should have a problem explicitly assigning authority to men also. Furthermore, authority implies the power or right to enforce obedience. Once authority “flows” to the husband, how does Doug anticipate him achieving this? In the setting of no-fault divorce, the Duluth model of assessing domestic disputes and a church that is more than happy to assuage women’s “blame” after they “repent,” responsibility without true authority is slavery. Furthermore, Christ explicitly makes provisions for divorce in cases of marital unfaithfulness. It’s pretty much the only thing he makes provisions for. Does that mean that the husband’s responsibility and the wife’s blame is dissolved by unfaithfulness? This is important because the top commenter on this video is literally a man who says his wife was unfaithful.
@michaelnapper4565
@michaelnapper4565 2 жыл бұрын
I am a man who is also guilty of abortion. I aborted the first 36yrs of my life to unbelief. Can't say I've done great with the other years that followed. A Savior? Yes please.
@thardin69
@thardin69 2 жыл бұрын
The years to come is what matters.
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