Restoring a Champion “Midway” No. 71 Forge & Blower - Part 4: Leg Braces and Fire Pot

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Жыл бұрын

Restoring a Champion “Midway” No. 71 Forge & Blower - Part 4: Leg Braces and Fire Pot
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@RuthlessMindset68
@RuthlessMindset68 Жыл бұрын
Hi Keith. My best guess for the legs being cut off square. Is that in the era of this forge, it would’ve been installed in shops with dirt floors. So the legs would promote themselves to bury in the dirt, thus stabilizing the forge. Flat floor cut legs most likely would’ve been used on brick or concrete. This flat cut would’ve given a larger surface area contact with the floor
@Vader854
@Vader854 Жыл бұрын
Making stuff is part of what is great about this channel
@jrb_sland
@jrb_sland Жыл бұрын
27:15 My first blacksmithing in my pre-teens [late 1950s] was heating the sharp end of big common nails white-hot on mom's gas kitchen stovetop then running outside to hammer a blade. I used a big pair of pliers as tongs, and my anvil was the side of an 8 lb sledgehammer nailed to the flat top of an apple tree stump. I grew up in western Canada on my parents' mixed-fruit Okanagan orchard - we made do with materials easily at hand. A child's imagination can be both a blessing & a curse... In high school I used that same kitchen stove to draw out long, narrow thin-wall eyedroppers from 1/4" glass tubing. These I used to refill the nominally single-use ink cartridges of my favourite Parker fountain pens. At university I diluted the ink with rubbing alcohol so it would dry faster on the pads of cheap yellow newsprint on which I took my lecture notes. Now at age 74 I marvel at the human progress I've witnessed with my own eyes & ears. We live in a time of great miracles & growing human prosperity world-wide - don't let the pessimist woke crowd or the climate alarmists tell you differently...
@RobertKohut
@RobertKohut Жыл бұрын
Great to see you 'forging' ahead on this project... 🙂
@weijingburr2392
@weijingburr2392 Жыл бұрын
Hope you're doing well. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
@shamrock56gargan96
@shamrock56gargan96 Жыл бұрын
I loved how u adapt it to our needs😊
@tropifiori
@tropifiori Жыл бұрын
Blacksmith work is the most fun a grown man can have without having to repent latter.
@willclark491
@willclark491 Жыл бұрын
Since there's plenty to repent after a smithing mishap, I disagree. Explosives without mishaps should be *way* more fun. That said, I still want to try my hand at blacksmithing. Too bad I live in a residential neighborhood and the neighbors wouldn't appreciate the noise, smell and smoke associated.
@paulappelquist3491
@paulappelquist3491 Жыл бұрын
In my 1975 horseshoeing school in Bozeman Montana, I believe my instructor called your "clinker breaker" a twier.
@dougbriggs6797
@dougbriggs6797 Жыл бұрын
Crossing my fingers that you show the shroud making ! Great series to follow. Thanks as always, Keith.
@georgewoodzell1315
@georgewoodzell1315 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Keith! You present an excellent discussion of the process of designing a pattern, as well as how the pattern will be used. Every video you make provides a great education.
@Sizukun1
@Sizukun1 Жыл бұрын
I like the new camera angles, we can see different parts of the shop that we haven't seen in a while!
@stevedisguise
@stevedisguise Жыл бұрын
Looks great. as far as the feet go if you really feel down the road that you would like some feet on it, instead of trying to cut an angle and match it on all 4 feet you could just turn ball inserts and have those as the feet. would solve any gougeing issues with moving it around and you wouldn't have an issue with level. also it's look great without taking away from the look of the peice and they would be removable and replaceable.
@walterplummer3808
@walterplummer3808 Жыл бұрын
Good morning Keith. Coming along great. If you could talk the tinsmith into explaining the layout it would make a great video. Thanks again for all the work to post the videos.
@melshea2519
@melshea2519 Жыл бұрын
Good Afternoon Georgia!😊
@railfan439
@railfan439 Жыл бұрын
Gee, Mr. Village Smithy, all you need now is a spreading Chestnut tree to stand beneath. Thanks for the video. Sorry I missed you at the Bar-Z. Jon
@joewhitney4097
@joewhitney4097 Жыл бұрын
Coming along nicely Keith. Thanks for sharing.
@johncloar1692
@johncloar1692 Жыл бұрын
Nice work Keith can't wait to see it finish.
@kimber1958
@kimber1958 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing Keith
@WillyBemis
@WillyBemis Жыл бұрын
Thank you Keith!
@paulfasolo8552
@paulfasolo8552 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Keith, every video that you present is a great lesson.
@lacossanostra
@lacossanostra Жыл бұрын
thanks for the again for taking the extra time for the extra explanation about the casting repairing and molding a new part!!👍👍👍👏
@miguelangelsimonfernandez5498
@miguelangelsimonfernandez5498 Жыл бұрын
excellent work
@richardbrobeck2384
@richardbrobeck2384 Жыл бұрын
Nicely Done !
@duanethepirate
@duanethepirate Жыл бұрын
As far as the feet are concerned I think the feet were done that way because a lot of blacksmith shops had dirt floors or something like stone or brick. So that foot would dig into the floor.
@Uncleroger1225
@Uncleroger1225 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Keith, akways instructive!
@thomaschandler8036
@thomaschandler8036 Жыл бұрын
Looking good, enjoyed this video
@elsdp-4560
@elsdp-4560 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing.👍
@jonlong4866
@jonlong4866 Жыл бұрын
Nice work!
@robertharker
@robertharker Жыл бұрын
Great video. I liked your explaining interchangeable parts "from back in the day".
@thom3124
@thom3124 Жыл бұрын
Good morning, Keith. I am really enjoying all your projects. I have been a subscriber for years. Thanks
@6NBERLS
@6NBERLS Жыл бұрын
Most excellent.
@organbuilder272
@organbuilder272 Жыл бұрын
Hi Keith - That is your forge, you can make it any way you want. You are restoring it to factory new and that is the way it should be done. You did an amazing job of cleaning out the pan. Looks very n ice. Are you going to put in the hi-temp lining to insulate & protect the fire pot. I note that you hid a 2 cylinder drive engine for a stoker under your work bench. Is that still a project or abandoned or ....
@floridaflywheelersantiquee7578
@floridaflywheelersantiquee7578 Жыл бұрын
Nice job thanks for sharing
@billtheunjust
@billtheunjust Жыл бұрын
That's such a "because I can" answer for why you're making the new gear and I am on board with it.
@RRINTHESHOP
@RRINTHESHOP Жыл бұрын
Nice work on the forge. It will be great for your shop.
@user-ly6vk6cx1h
@user-ly6vk6cx1h Жыл бұрын
I have an old forge very similar to yours with what I believe are the original legs and they are like you're saying the catalog shows
@johnvanantwerp2791
@johnvanantwerp2791 Жыл бұрын
First metal work I ever did was my grandfather taught me how to fit horseshoes -- we used horses to work the cattle, pull wagons and sleighs, and even do light field work once in a while. So blacksmithing was my first introduction to metalwork. I even modified our backyard brick fire grill to be a small forge in my early teens.
@johnmonkey1874
@johnmonkey1874 Жыл бұрын
And just think of all the smores you can make with this sucker!
@allenahale1
@allenahale1 Жыл бұрын
Or just go with one suckling pig.
@19672701
@19672701 Жыл бұрын
glad you used Square nuts too ,even though most wouldn't notice.great keeping it as original as possible. and doing it your way,gear will be good content.
@shanek6582
@shanek6582 Жыл бұрын
I made my forges ducks nest out of 3/8" hastelloy that we were using when building the precipitator ductwork baffles at a power plant in PA. I bet it could last a thousand years of use!
@rexmyers991
@rexmyers991 Жыл бұрын
I just read all the comments. Gee whiz I sure am glad you have thick skin and keep posting these great videos. Thanks, Keith.
@Hoaxer51
@Hoaxer51 Жыл бұрын
It seems that there’s always a couple of people that will complain about what Keith does (it’s the same thing with all KZfaq creators) and hopefully he lets those comments slide off his back. I think that’s why Keith doesn’t reply a lot to the comments, that and he’s just busy. I wrote a comment last time about the feet not being cut flat to sit on the floor with more contact, he did reply to me and I really appreciated that he took the time to do that. I wasn’t trying to troll him, I made a comment because I heard that it helps his content get to more viewers and I was interested in why he did that (or didn’t do it). I’ve got my comment in for this video, Lol, so have a good day!
@timf6916
@timf6916 Жыл бұрын
Nice looking.
@shubus
@shubus Жыл бұрын
Excekkebt Q&A Keith. Good questions asked & answered.
@tomswindler64
@tomswindler64 Жыл бұрын
Great video as always.👍👍👍😎😎😎
@terminalpsychosis8022
@terminalpsychosis8022 Жыл бұрын
The breaker variant is a major upgrade, and it is period correct, more or less. The ancient original needs some love. Something on the back shelf, for future project. Cool to re-use something familiar.
@michaelcarpenter7835
@michaelcarpenter7835 Жыл бұрын
Keith, I wouldn't bother explaining myself to the haters, it's your equipment you do with it what you want
@transmaster
@transmaster Жыл бұрын
The legs with that design fit on uneven cement or dirt floors. My ranching grandfather had one. The legs must have been a couple of inches deep in the dirt floor of the blackshop on the ranch near Cody, Wyoming. He used it mostly to forge weld chain links, and wagon iron for repairs. But I mostly remember the ferrier that used it when he came around to shoe the horses. Grandpa Johnny used firebrick grouted with some sort of refractory cement to line it.
@grahamblackmore6169
@grahamblackmore6169 Жыл бұрын
( Been meaning to comment for ages )...Looking good!...your weight-loss suits you
@stevenmayhew3944
@stevenmayhew3944 Жыл бұрын
I saw him cast the parts for the sugar cane mill!
@alandaters8547
@alandaters8547 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your responses to reasonable comments/questions. For each one posted, there are likely many more, like me, who wonder why you did something in a certain way.
@Derek_Lark
@Derek_Lark Жыл бұрын
Nice work Keith. "Do it once, do it properly"
@chemcody5119
@chemcody5119 Жыл бұрын
In my favorite movie, A Christmas Story, Ralphie's dad is in the basement fighting with the coal furnace. He yells" it's a clinker!" Now I know what that means. I'm always learning from you. Thanks Keith
@imanoleonardo6902
@imanoleonardo6902 Жыл бұрын
Ospho works great too and you can paint over it
@mobiousenigma
@mobiousenigma Жыл бұрын
wow,, its been a while keith and i saw the thumbnail and thought....who is that,,,,sir you shed a lot of weight i hope all is well medically as always thanks for the videos may there be many more.
@psnpacific
@psnpacific Жыл бұрын
👍 Another great video!
@mattgill6676
@mattgill6676 Жыл бұрын
Keith, I would suggest adding about a 1" spacer under the firepot to bring the level of the firepot up to line up with the bottom of the forge. This will allow the use of fireclay to protect the forge, plus it will allow you to heat the middle of a long bar in the forge. I have used forges with and without the spacer and it works much better with. If you don't want to mess with fireclay, you can use insulating firebrick and just dry fit it in the forge.
@SPUDHOME
@SPUDHOME Жыл бұрын
Sounds like the original design. NOT
@tomp538
@tomp538 Жыл бұрын
I just figured you were going to make a new gear because you could. Plus it links you to WHF, gives Clark another job to video that has a little more meaning for us viewers...
@brucefelger4015
@brucefelger4015 Жыл бұрын
we used castable refractory in the bed of our forge, lasts a long time, without burning out the metal.
@SPUDHOME
@SPUDHOME Жыл бұрын
Was that period correct to this forge?
@ravenbarsrepairs5594
@ravenbarsrepairs5594 Жыл бұрын
The bottoms of the legs being pwepwndicular to the pipe likely is a benefit when using the forge on a dirty/gravel floor to help hold it in place.
@djfaber
@djfaber Жыл бұрын
Keith, ever consider getting a flammables cabinet for all that paint / primary / stain / etc?
@SciPunk215
@SciPunk215 Жыл бұрын
Making the things that make the things.
@martineastburn3679
@martineastburn3679 Жыл бұрын
Might I suggest - use a clamp and clamp the bar to a pipe and heat and bend around. Or try to be deft at hand and free hand. 🙂
@pghgeo816
@pghgeo816 Жыл бұрын
My guess is the original legs of that forge were cut the way they are cut because most blacksmith shops had dirt floors. Those sharp corners can dig in and become stable. These legs may be an issue on concrete floors or they will be fine. If there is an issue Kieth can make feet for the legs possibly with a locking caster system.
@twoody2148
@twoody2148 Жыл бұрын
would be kinda fun to make feet for it that were adjustable for different floors areas
@tiredoldmechanic1791
@tiredoldmechanic1791 Жыл бұрын
I suspect most of those forges sat on a dirt floor so the bottom of the legs wouldn't matter. The ones that were used on concrete were probably moved around enough to wear the bottom of the legs flat.
@tpobrienjr
@tpobrienjr Жыл бұрын
My nose remembers the smell of coal smoke in my grandfather's workshop.
@axcs0119
@axcs0119 Жыл бұрын
In looking at the bottom shelf of the work table I see what looks to be part of the stoker engine. I know you have a lot going on and have done quite a lot these past couple of years. Is the stoker engine coming back?
@johnscott2849
@johnscott2849 Жыл бұрын
You could always make a simple foot that fits into the pipe to get it to sit on concrete better, That way it wouldn't damage the concrete or the leg . Still match the original that way with no modification. Just a suggestion.
@markbernier8434
@markbernier8434 Жыл бұрын
Just out of curiosity I got the inflation tables out and that part would have been worth $160 approximately. However realizing the rarity of an item like that now I would bet you paid only about $50 back in the day.
@KS-cp6bj
@KS-cp6bj Жыл бұрын
The steam stoker engine was making a cameo appearance.
@philr6829
@philr6829 Жыл бұрын
Kieth - if you need an alternate source for 3D design and printing feel free to reach out. Be happy to pay back for the entertainment and education.
@jscancella
@jscancella Жыл бұрын
16:41 - those "hockey puck" clinker breakers are ok, but the original champion forge had a different style. At my local ABANA chapter they had both and the real Champion tuyere was much better. The angles were such that the air would blow straight up into the coal/coke, the "hockey pock" style would cause the air to be diverted and run along the sides of the tuyere and burn them out. We replaced several of the "hockey puck" style tuyeres in a couple years while the Champion tuyere was still original and in great working condition. I really hope you are able to get an original Champion tuyere on there sometime
@tacticalrabbit308
@tacticalrabbit308 Жыл бұрын
With a mold you can make many parts from one mold.
@derekbridgerii2102
@derekbridgerii2102 Жыл бұрын
Hey Keith! I'm sorry that I haven't been following much lately. Life has been hectic. I stopped by to tell ya that you look great! Ya seem to have lost some weight and you look happy! I'll be catching up on your work soon enough 🤞
@stuarthardy4626
@stuarthardy4626 Жыл бұрын
that's why they make a pattern makers rule for each metal ,so in your case the 1 inch datum is 1.125 from zero and so on
@BrianRousseau603
@BrianRousseau603 Жыл бұрын
Hey Keith, I see the big casting under the bench there, looks like it was from the train project? What ever happened with that project? I recall last time it went to Adam and then didnt hear anymore about it. Can you give us an Update on it? thank you sir
@3fingersofrye304
@3fingersofrye304 Жыл бұрын
Good morning all - Keith, I wanted to verify that braze would hold up to the temperatures of the fire pot while forging? -tks grant
@robertrousseau5264
@robertrousseau5264 Жыл бұрын
Cheap are you going to put some concrete in the bottom like like I originally had just asking alright this is Bob from grill Beach Florida god bless have a great week and keep up the good contact
@3fingersofrye304
@3fingersofrye304 Жыл бұрын
I to would like to see the hood being made.
@anthonymarino4260
@anthonymarino4260 Жыл бұрын
could you turn the shoulder on the carriage bolt on the lathe for a better finish
@estruble
@estruble Жыл бұрын
My thought for the feet: what about tennis-ball sized feet made of brass then you would drill them and slip over the existing feet. Then you could put shims inside to make-up for any imperfections in the floor where it will sit or if the top is warped and the legs aren't a true vertical. Or have Clarke cast some lion feet for an added effect.
@SPUDHOME
@SPUDHOME Жыл бұрын
In the original. what feet would be correct to restore the forge? Balls. NOT
@5x535
@5x535 Жыл бұрын
Since I retired, smithing has become my full-time occupation, so I am enjoying this rebuild. I would like to encourage you to not use some fancy modern refractory goo to line your beautiful cast iron forge pan. The real traditional material for this basic job would be a few shovels full of good old red Georgia clay. It is readily available, cheap, easily repairable, and will do the job without problems. And when it is time to move --dump it out in the garden and move on. This material is so good that "they" even mention it in songs.
@paulcopeland9035
@paulcopeland9035 Жыл бұрын
Hmm.....where would he get Georgia clay??
@johnknapp6328
@johnknapp6328 2 ай бұрын
Im curios were most of the champion forges made with cast Iron bowls. The one my father got off the farm he grew up on was about the size of a weber grill. I believe it originally was lever operated all that as there was the ball at the end of the lever it worked but no belt. Did the Champion have cast iron bowls. The other question did Champion paint there forges a light green color similar to bison forges. I had read that the Champion forges were of higher quality.
@jackgreen412
@jackgreen412 Жыл бұрын
Leg cut: That's my saw, and I'm sticking to it.
@jackgreen412
@jackgreen412 Жыл бұрын
That's my forge, and I'm sticking to it!
@robertlevine2152
@robertlevine2152 Жыл бұрын
Out of curiosity, are you going to place the forge inside or outside? If inside how will you vent the hood?
@Mishn0
@Mishn0 Жыл бұрын
About the picture of the forge from the catalog: It's a little hard to tell because of the size, but are the legs on the pictured forge all going fore and aft? You have yours all 90° apart, but the picture looks like the front ones are 180° from the back ones.
@MrBuck295
@MrBuck295 Жыл бұрын
just wanting to know , is that the stoker engine peeking out from under the bench ? what is the status is it a dead end
@28Cryptic743
@28Cryptic743 Жыл бұрын
I always wanted to learn how do blacksmithing but I know that I probably wouldn't do it enough to want to purchase the equipment
@RoostersWay
@RoostersWay Жыл бұрын
Hi Keith, just curious aout the 10EE.
@geneard639
@geneard639 Жыл бұрын
I understand why you are making a new gear. Adam Booth just brazed up a heavy duty gear for a beam drill and even though he did everything absolutely correctly, the dang thing still cracked at the very end while it was cooling. The small thin gear you have, I can see anyone trying to mend it and having it crack in new places every heat/cool cycle.
@chadhilk
@chadhilk Жыл бұрын
Will you be using this in your shop or outside?
@thirzapeevey2395
@thirzapeevey2395 Жыл бұрын
I think I'd be making a clinker breaker pattern and sending it to Clark just to keep everything original. I do understand your reasoning, however.
@bandols
@bandols Жыл бұрын
Okay I don't remember you getting that bandsaw. How long has that been in the shop?
@cpcoark
@cpcoark Жыл бұрын
Doesn't that high heat paint require baking to cure it?
@Dan-TheOracle
@Dan-TheOracle Жыл бұрын
you seem to have lost a hell of a lot of weight lately, it was always something i saw as kinda dangerous to your health but it worries me you have lost so much so quickly, is everything ok health wise?
@wesleymonske8103
@wesleymonske8103 Жыл бұрын
Will you mount wheels? With brakes?
@Farm_fab
@Farm_fab Жыл бұрын
Keith, a question some might have about the blower gear is, why not make it out or AR series steel?
@SPUDHOME
@SPUDHOME Жыл бұрын
That would be period correct, and very original. Da
@hankholloway3293
@hankholloway3293 Жыл бұрын
Is that the Stoker Engine on the shelf of the table the anvil is on?
@Hoaxer51
@Hoaxer51 Жыл бұрын
I think he showed that on purpose, when people see that, they’ll comment on it and help his algorithm on KZfaq! Lol 😅
@THEIRONWORKER
@THEIRONWORKER Жыл бұрын
John Deere Muffler Black the best high heat paint there is
@garychaplin9861
@garychaplin9861 Жыл бұрын
I would vote for half ball inserts for the feet. Also curious as to the purpose of the raised edges of the fire box?
@DanielCoffey67
@DanielCoffey67 Жыл бұрын
He explains at 22:55 - it was to allow for a Fire Cement base on the forge if needed
@SPUDHOME
@SPUDHOME Жыл бұрын
Which way is restored original? If you follow at all, he is restoring!!!!! Not making a NEW FORGE
@garychaplin9861
@garychaplin9861 Жыл бұрын
@@SPUDHOME Your comment does not make any sense to me, one too many beers or are you just confused?
@SPUDHOME
@SPUDHOME Жыл бұрын
Ok pay attention. “did the original have half ball feet” ? If you restore you don’t add items again key word “restore”.
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