I can try to commentate over a shuffle sometime.

Well that's awkward lol. I never do that...

@@Yuouji I know you don't 😄

like a 2's guide or just 2's gameplay?

​@@YuoujiMore of a guide. I can give some ideas on what points might be helpful for lower rated RET players like me. Positioning, dealing with casters, how to workaround the lack of MS, pvp talents against certain comps, our best comps, efficient cd trading, understanding of win conditions and exploiting enemy mistakes. Your help would be much appreciated. We dont need a fancy video, just you talking on some subjects would be more than enough❤. Thank you in advance.

Yeah it makes it so you san your healer in arena. So you don't have to constantly change things when playing shuffles.

Ok so cool idea, but you lose a lot getting it. In order to get both consecrated blade and consecrated ground you'd need to drop an essential talent. The slow could be decent but into a lot of specs they just have so much free mobility that it really doesn't do enough. It could still be decent sometimes, but I really don't know what you'd wanna drop to get it is all. Also for the most part I think this build only really works when playing double melee into a team where your training a caster or healer. Ranged teammates for the most part really won't get the benefit from it unless they are standing on top of the kill target.

@@Yuouji What I do is, I drop Empyrean Legacy (20 sec internal CD for a 25% DS isn't that strong but that's just my opinion) and go Consecrated Ground instead, and then you can drop the +10% crit to Judgment talent, which hurts a little bit but I don't think is essential, and go Consecrated Blade. The general idea is that the raw DPS loss from those 2 dropped talents is made up with an increase in uptime for you and your teammates, as well as perhaps saving yourself a defensive CD by simply being able to kite away from damage easier, and saving Freedoms as well. Basically, you will always have the movement advantage while standing in it. It's basically like another 10 second slow dispel, on top of slowing the enemy. 50% slow is nasty, especially with how big it is. Casting a Consecrated Ground at ranged onto an enemy healer who is trying to hide behind a pillar can be devastating for the healer as they try to get into LOS of their teammates. Another example, you can slow melee enemies from far away as they're trying to train your hunter teammate, so now you're hunter doesn't have to use a defensive because they can't connect, now your hunter can stand and freecast and pump DPS instead of sitting in a Turtle, not doing DPS. An interesting tradeoff for dropping Emyrean Legacy and +10% crit to Judgment, right? At least worth considering. And in 1v1's on pillars, it completely changes Ret's ability to play on a pillar by itself, and can enable your entire team to move together freely around a pillar, either chasing or running away. I would maybe only use this vs melee comps so you can drop Blessing of Spellwarding for Hallowed Ground (or, you could just not go Hallowed Ground at all if you feel like you don't need it. IMO it's the least important part of this Consecrated build, but can be nice vs some classes.) But as you say, it's useful against ranged perhaps too. I just like this build because I feel like I can help myself more in SS, and I don't really have good players to play with in rated, so it helps there, too. Also, I go 2 charges of BoJ too, but that's just preference, and maybe not optimal or necessary since Consecrated Blade has a 10 sec internal CD. I think in 2's this build could be viable and shine, since Ret doesn't really have a slow. Obviously you know what you're talking about, so I'm not trying to tell you what to do :) Just fun to theorycraft. I've seen Lvladen use it last season in some situations.

Its not good at all imo

Uhh the consecration on blade of justice can be decent sometimes for aoe damage. But I don't think the damage is worth getting ever personally. And outside of that you really never press it since you pretty much should always have some other better button to press instead of it. Only use is in the opener to try and get rogues out or something like that.

@@Yuouji Yea I wondered about stealth enemies, thanks a lot for reply, keep it up the good work :)

yea people stacking too much vars lol

I'm not super sure honestly lol, so for crit rings make sense since you can get omega vers and be super tanky, but I have no clue why they would ever go 4 set. It's terrible imo. Maybe they wanna get as much crit as possible since they are already committed to so much from the pve gear.

vers main> mastery second> haste 3rd

I haven't really played the comp enough to feel confident enough to make a guide on it. I've only really played it a handful of times. In the future if I feel more confident in it, I'd be down.

I'm not actually sure, I don't see why you would need it tho. It's just the macro I yoinked form somewhere and know works.

I tried it. It works without it and helped me a lot. Also the arena1 macro against stealthing healersThank you very much.

In pvp

Yeah, I stream usually a couple times a week.

So it's kinda just the button you press as a filler when everything else is on cd. I like to throw it in under rotation so people remember to actually press it, since it's a lot better to flash than just wait for your next button to come off cd.

So, you always play holy blade because you already get blade of justice resets from art of war. As for boundless judgment, honestly I haven't really tried it. It could actually be decent. Especially during divine resonance you could get insane hp generation. It might feel super clunky tho since you really wouldn't have buttons to press a lot of the time. I'll try to test it out next time I q tho. Because it might not be bad since you really don't wanna press judgement if possible.

So what exactly do you want it to do? Make a macro so when you press this button it casts bubble, but when bubble is on cd you cast bop?

nope, only md can get rid of it.

That was more for when you have wings, on the 1 minute go it's just do the same rotation just without wings.

Crusade

Human or dark iron. Humans better into most matchups since you get a 90 second trinket, but dark iron is really good into assa rogues, ferals, and sp's.

on a similar note, if Expurg gave a charge of hp every other second, it would be amazing to play. It's just a boring talent to me that does afk damage which is inconsequential to how ret plays. Ret is a burst spec, at least this version of it and historically.

on another note, I also like using Wake second global of crusade because it will guarantee I will have a 2nd Wake available toward the end w/ max stacks.

So the expurgation damage doesn't really matter, your mainly using for the wrathful sanction damage. Which actually can add quite a bit. It just technically makes your judgement do an extra 20-30k damage. Which can be pretty significant during divine toll goes.

@@Yuouji last season it was never more than 5% of my damage, not sure if it got buffed but I literally didn't notice a damage drop off at all from 0 set > 2 set. I did notice a damage diff w/ 4 set but was also significantly squishier.

Sorry, just kinda how I talk.

@@Yuouji I agree with him. You kept saying templar's in the rotation, but there isn't an ability with that name?

@@Lord_Ranon templars verdict?

They dont remember the og spell name, its final verdict now since shadowlands legendary 😂

You need a minimum of 50 iq to understand this video sorry guys