RetroTINK 5X Pro vs OSSC - Is the 5X an upgrade?

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RetroTINK 5X Pro vs the OSSC!
The OSSC has been the go-to upscaler for retro gaming for high quality video output and low latency for the last few years.
Recently, Mike Chi has released the RetroTINK 5X Pro, an upscaler that has some compatibility and feature improvements, as well as higher resolution output!
But the question stands: is it really an upgrade over the already great OSSC?
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Chapters
00:00 Intro
01:37 NES Comparison (OSSC)
02:32 NES Comparison (5X)
03:38 SNES Comparison (OSSC)
04:35 SNES Comparison (5X)
05:19 Genesis Comparison (OSSC)
05:48 Genesis Comparison (5X)
06:07 N64 Comparison (OSSC)
06:45 N64 Comparison (5X)
07:02 Resolution Switching (OSSC)
07:30 Resolution Switching (5X)
07:39 PS1 Comparison (OSSC)
08:11 PS1 Comparison (5X)
08:30 GameCube Comparison (OSSC)
08:59 GameCube Comparison (5X)
09:30 PS2 Comparison (OSSC)
10:05 PS2 Comparison (5X)
10:39 Summary and Conclusion

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@TheRealGara 3 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad to see comparisons with actual voice overs telling us your opinion and what you're actually seeing. There are so many people doing comparison videos like this and just dumping a bunch of footage on the viewer and saying nothing. It's crazy, people seem so afraid to just share their opinion.

@dubesinhower 3 жыл бұрын

I know how much effort it takes to just capture something let alone make a video so I can’t really complain. But I wanted to spend some time using the 5x. It didn’t make sense for me to just get a video out as fast as I could

@MrMario2011 3 жыл бұрын

Really awesome look at this, thanks! Definitely looking forward to getting my hands on one, I swear the resolution switching alone is worth it.

@ChrisEvans66 Жыл бұрын

Yeah sounds like it handles that way better than my XRGB Mini

@Shendue 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent comparative analysis, thanks!

@anerdguynow 3 жыл бұрын

I really enjoy your videos. Keep up the great work!

@dubesinhower 3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you enjoy them, thanks for watching!

@avasam06 3 жыл бұрын

I'm a retro speedrunner, meaning I play a lot of different retro games on different consoles. The 5X Pro would massively simplify my current setup (especially because of my non-modded NES). And that alone is an upgrade. Byt the 300$ pricepoint is hard to justify unless I flip both my OSSC and current og RetroTINK.

@dubesinhower 3 жыл бұрын

It makes sense if you run a variety of consoles, but if you mainly use the NES, an NESRGB mod for your NES might simplify some things. But considering the cost of an NESRGB mod (and getting someone to install it) might cost a few hundred dollars, the 5x might still make sense

@dylanjastle 3 жыл бұрын

High quality video. Subbed. Best of luck to your channel

@dubesinhower 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words!

@GeometryWars 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the look into the 5x. Great video 👍🏻

@dubesinhower 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for taking some time to watch the video!

@TheFrenchy82 2 жыл бұрын

It's always good to have competition !! I'll wait for the release of the OSSC Pro...

@cosmickatamari 2 жыл бұрын

I really liked my OSSC and Framemeister. Framemeister was the introduction and did a great job, even used FBX profiles but back in the day, I opted for OSSC because I was mainly under the misundering the Chrono Cross problem was fixed and it really wasn't. Although it was better. OSSC does have a lot of great features but I was tired of every firmware update, redoing profiles and spending more time researching FBX's settings and then tweaking to my TV to look awesome. I love the fact the RT5x basically does it all for you. Plus Mike is a really awesome dude to his fans. I have no regrets owning an OSSC or Framemeister in the past but I also don't regret selling them either. At the end of the day, I really just want to sit and play a game. The amount of programming and features in the RT5x were well worth it to me. It's also curbed my hunt for a PVM or BVM because (at least in my area) it's a mortgage payment for something well over a decade old that I don't feel comfortable recapping in the future. Also, MM8 in 1440p and then down to 240p mode was such a nice addition, I ended up tweeting to Mike about. I do plan on building a 486 retro gaming machine soon (and maybe a Windows 98 gaming machine as well), so with that, I might need another OSSC for VGA output but that's down the line.

@desa35 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the extensive comparision between consoles and going in depth about some of the seetings. I myself run PS2 and PSP exclusively through a newly bought OSSC and was wondering if I should return it and go for a 5x instead. But with the 200€ price difference and the barely noticeable differences it made my decision a lot easier and I'll be sticking to my OSSC. The interlacing can apparently be worked around with a FreeMCBoot softmod on the PS2 to have 480p be the standard output signal. That's what I'll be going with in the future.

@TheLegendOfLame Жыл бұрын

I was not expecting to see you in this comment section 😂😂

@desa35 Жыл бұрын

@@TheLegendOfLame lmao

@veridor7522 3 жыл бұрын

Nice video. Good breakdown and comparison head-to-head with the OSSC. A shame your Magewell capture card couldn't get 1440p from the RetroTINK 5x, since i just got that card myself.

@dubesinhower 3 жыл бұрын

Kain says there's some way to do it, but yea, capture cards for 1440p and 4k get expensive quickly

@veridor7522 3 жыл бұрын

@@dubesinhower Mine's the USB Capture HDMI Gen 2, which says it can do 4k @ 30 fps. Maybe I'll get a chance o try it out.

@triple_lei 3 жыл бұрын

My OSSC is now 100% for arcade boards. It's just as well... - There aren't any resolution changes with arcade games. Or at least the ones I play. - Line 2x still works with every monitor, which also means the best, most authentic scanlines. - The OSSC gave me zero trouble with my arcade boards whereas the RT5X couldn't decide what sync it wanted from my HAS (buffered or regenerated). I never had that "curly image at the top" problem with the OSSC. - Only the OSSC has VGA input, and with the HAS also outputting VGA (HD15) with an add-on board, I'm theoretically getting less noise with VGA and a separate audio cable as opposed to the 8-pin mini DIN to SCART cable that I'd have to feed the RT5X. - The gscartsw creator says superguns are risky and unsupported, while the HAS creator says the HAS is safe with gscartsw because the HAS attenuates audio and only does TTL sync if you want it to... which I do, so I can output to HD15; the OSSC actually expects TTL sync on the VGA port if the VGA source is RGB. By keeping the OSSC strictly for arcade PCBs, I'm sidestepping that risk of damaging my equipment altogether. ... Okay, so the RT5X still needs modes for PSP output and GBI Interface, but I have to imagine those are coming real soon.

@voltz15 3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget to use the cross scanline feature! I had Marqs add that because of how important it is to retain a crt's line count on the image. It's done so many wonders to games that really stand out with it being active.

@superviewer Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing. What's the platformer with the dragon used for the NES OCCS demonstration?

@dubesinhower Жыл бұрын

Little Samson!

@RonaldRaiden Жыл бұрын

I went for the tink. I probably should have watched this first, but now I'm glad I did. I like how it removes that flickering but I can also see it from the perspective of liking the flickering because it kind of emulates the look of a CRT. If you threw a scan line filter over it, possibly it would look better. Maybe just a basic scanline picture to throw over your whole stream

@RobertHeadley 3 жыл бұрын

Good video friend.

@ChrisEvans66 Жыл бұрын

Thanks man. I've been wondering if the 5x would be worth it over my XRGB Mini and it sounds like it handles resolution changes perfectly where as the XRGB Mini struggles with it. 🤘

@WhiteJarrah 2 жыл бұрын

O_O Where'd you get that OSSC custom case from? Not too fond of the colour but its heads and tails better than the open plexiglass design of the original.

@dubesinhower 2 жыл бұрын

laserbear.net/shop/ols/products/ossc-case

@jons9356 2 жыл бұрын

It'll be interesting to see how the "Pixel FX Morph" & "OSSC Pro" scalers shake things up all over again (assuming they make it to production).

@dubesinhower 2 жыл бұрын

Yea, I'm interested to see the HDMI input scaling capabilities of the Morph!

@Greyhats 3 жыл бұрын

probably going to just keep my OSSC as i have no problem with it, nor have a problem with tweaking it every now and then. i’ll honestly wait it out and see how the pro compares to the 5x whenever there is info on it, also where did you get your OSSC case lol, i need one for the dust

@dubesinhower 3 жыл бұрын

LaserBear designed and sells this case! laserbear.net/shop/ols/products/ossc-case

@Greyhats 3 жыл бұрын

@@dubesinhower ty very much

@nobodytonobodysbusiness 2 жыл бұрын

Happy with the OSSC but this will likely replace my DISPL. Frame buffer for some off spec arcade boards is killer.

@MundoNintend0 3 жыл бұрын

where you bought your OSSC I need one, since the RetroTink 5X is not available, very good video.

@dubesinhower 3 жыл бұрын

The only place I recommend buying a new OSSC is from Video Game Perfection, since they provide support for the product: videogameperfection.com/products/open-source-scan-converter/ However you may be able to get them used on eBay. (Please don't buy a new one from eBay)

@MundoNintend0 3 жыл бұрын

@@dubesinhower Thanks for the information I will take your advice.

@Inv8erZlM 3 жыл бұрын

Good comparison! I’m curious about your OSSC SNES footage. It looks a bit off to me. Are you sure the phase is set properly? It’s hard to tell with Donkey Kong, though.

@dubesinhower 3 жыл бұрын

It may have been a little off, plus I scaled the video in Davinci Resolve, which might have made it softer

@joshuahorton-campbell3554 Жыл бұрын

Agreed, my SNES looks amazing on OSSC, identical to the 5x footage shown here. Also, regarding de-jitter on SNES - I've found that whatever voultar does differently for his SNES Jr RGB upgrade mod vs. other RGB mods for the SNES absolutely has FAR fewer sync issues, and voultar's mod also lets me use the cheapest RGB scart cable with ZERO issues while the same cable using a different SNES RGB mod causes all sorts of hot and heavy video glitch action.

@beyefendi2804 2 жыл бұрын

Damn, finally some good video for net .

@thedon98677 3 жыл бұрын

Can you use stock consoles with either of these? This is way over my head talking about RGB mods and de-jittering.

@dubesinhower 3 жыл бұрын

The Retrotink 5x Pro would be the better option for stock consoles, because it supports composite video and svideo.

@Alexp37 2 жыл бұрын

Hey mate, could you help me out please? I connected the Retrotink 5x pro correctly with the AV adaptor to a PAL PS2 + 4K HDMI TV. I switch to 1080p resolution on the device with RR Type 4 running on the PS2 and looking like complete trash. Like no improvement AT ALL. What could be the issue? Could component cables be the solution? Idk cause I believe something's wrong. Do you have an idea? :(

@danormisher8084 2 жыл бұрын

Cool case for the OSSC where did you get that?

@dubesinhower 2 жыл бұрын

I 3d printed it myself but it's designed by Laser Bear: www.laserbear.net/products/ossc-case

@martiniontherocks38 2 жыл бұрын

Besides retrogaming, can the OSSC be used to hook a Laserdisc component output to a 24 inch TFT Monitor and create a suitable picture usind HDMI?

@ericko777 2 жыл бұрын

I don't see why not. I have a component switch connected to mine with 4 different component systems converted to hdmi

@RenoFriends 2 жыл бұрын

Quick question. With my SNES I can't capture it on x5 on the OSSC without a dejitter mod. With the Retrotink x5 will the dejitter mod be needed? I think is not Thanks!

@dubesinhower 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, you won’t need dejitter mods with the 5x

@RenoFriends 2 жыл бұрын

@@dubesinhower Thanks! Nice video btw

@dubesinhower 2 жыл бұрын

@@RenoFriends thanks for watching!

@ryu_san_ 2 жыл бұрын

great to hear the R 5X can handle SNES/SF without mods - this would be key upgrade over OSSC as it's a hassle trying to get a reliable mod

@ifrit05 2 жыл бұрын

I just bought a 5X, "upgrading" from the OSSC. Only problem is I am either going to have to still use the OSSC for my Dreamcast or "downgrade" to SCART or wait to get the component cables from RGC when they are released, if ever.

@BushidoBrownSama Жыл бұрын

You should be able to get a VGA/RGBHV to RGBS Cable that uses a sync circuit to combine HV signals into an S sync signal that would be compatible with the Retrotink 5x

@sheardvalkarian8189 Жыл бұрын

Hello what is the screen used for the test ?

@robinr2740 2 жыл бұрын

How does the Retrotink 5X compare to raw straight to HDMI N64 UltraHDMI??

@theretronavigator 3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome for that OSSC :D

@dubesinhower 3 жыл бұрын

This wasn’t yours =P

@Armorant Жыл бұрын

is that SO big issue in USA with Scart and RGB (S, C, HV whatever) signals that you all have to buy active RGB->YPbPr converters?

@mattymatt022000 2 жыл бұрын

I've only got a retrotink 2x pro. I just bought the 5x.

@BOXING_LOUNGE Жыл бұрын

I use the mcable (cinema) & 4K Gamer Pro. I have everything now upscaled to 4K / 2160p 😎

@Zarraicka 8 ай бұрын

I host tournaments with couple of people and we got OSSC to capture imager from out arcade cabinet and oh boy we got Virtua Fighter 3tb to work with it. Almost a miracle cause it never works with anything so I still think OSSC has a place but it's for really specific things and specific games.

@LFiers 2 жыл бұрын

You spoke a lot about your modded consoles but does this also work with non nodded consoles like Sega Saturn? That's main what consoles I'd want it for. That and maybe Dreamcast, Genesis and SNES. All non modded. Let me know. Thanks! Sounds awesome and much better than the OSSC.

@dubesinhower 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it would work. Some consoles output high quality RGB without needing a mod, like the Saturn, you just need RGB/ component cables

@LFiers 2 жыл бұрын

@@dubesinhower Thanks! One more question. Should I get the 2X SCART or the 5X? Is the fact it's three times the price worth it in terms of quality on my Sony 1080p LCD TV or should I just get the 2x?

@chan4est 3 жыл бұрын

What did you mean most people are going to be getting component cables? Are there component cables being produced that can replace SCART cables? I'm thinking of getting a Retrotink 5x when the new batch arrives and I'm already prepping to get the necessary custom-made SCART cables.

@Mampersand 3 жыл бұрын

HDRetrovision makes component cables for most popular systems. Dreamcast component should be on the way this year.

@NeonPizzas Ай бұрын

I could get a brand new Super Nt 'Classic' for around $1300 CAD off eBay, or an SNES(1CHIP) Console bundle, HD Retrovision Component Cables & a RetroTink 5X Pro for just under $900. I don't plan on using the RT5X Pro for anything beyond the 8-16 bit consoles, like Saturn and on wards, so 240p is pretty much the name of the game. All displayed on a smaller QD-OLED display, like the 55" S90C. :P

@BambooShadow 3 жыл бұрын

nice review!

@dubesinhower 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@Fantafaust 2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't the retrotink have input lag?

@cl1ck99 Жыл бұрын

Can someone tell me the name of the NES game @ 2:33?

@juanrodriguezluis4811 Жыл бұрын

nice comparison, but 240p and 480i needs to be dysplayed with scanlines.

@AndreaBogazzi 3 жыл бұрын

can you please name the nes and megadrive game shown?

@dubesinhower 3 жыл бұрын

Little Samson for the NES and Rocket Knight Adventures for the Genesis

@caivsivlivs 3 жыл бұрын

u gotta mess wit the FBX profiles to tune to ur console

@philipboggs3372 3 жыл бұрын

I want the Retrotink 5x but at the price point I think I'll have to pass for now since I already have an OSSC.

@flagello 3 жыл бұрын

Indeed not worth especially fort 16 bit

@mansenclockworx8215 2 жыл бұрын

I am totally happy with my ossc, but now there is a feeling that it could be better 🤫 ahh noo 300 bucks. What should i do? I hate this feeling 😂

@dubesinhower 2 жыл бұрын

Unless you have an issue with the OSSC, it's still very capable. There will be at least two other scalers coming out (OSSC Pro and PixelFX Morph), so if you're on the fence, I would wait until we get more news about them

@mansenclockworx8215 2 жыл бұрын

@@dubesinhower yeah thank you! I am still waiting for the ossc pro…we will see…Greetings 🙋🏻‍♂️

@DragonQuarter 3 жыл бұрын

Good video! As a current OSSC owner I'm not entirely sold on the Retrotink 5X although I think it does wonders for PS2 games. I was hoping you'd show more of the modes for SNES footage besides 5X. I do understand 5X being the "ideal" mode, but for games, 5X crops too much information from the top and bottom and that's a deal breaker for me. On top of that, the 256 mode for SNES stretches the 4:3 aspect ratio a bit more which makes it feel "inauthentic" to me. Just my own opinion on it. Ultimately, I'm looking for something super versatile that lets me capture RGB SNES footage at the sharpest, highest quality while maintaining accuracy as well, and since the OSSC doesn't play well with the Magewell, and the Retrotink stretches the 4:3 too much in 256 mode, part of me is just thinking of going the Datapath capture card & SCART to DVI route for capturing SNES footage in 240p and scaling that to 4K to my heart's content.

@dubesinhower 3 жыл бұрын

Yea, that was actually something I forgot to mention about the 5X, currently you only get 4:3 aspect ratio and no options for 8:7. It's possible it could be added with a firmware update

@gordyowl9455 2 жыл бұрын

I ordered my Retrotink5x in favor to replace my Retrotink2x classic to afford it

@voltz15 3 жыл бұрын

I wish the 5x had a way of running vga and cross scanlines for that really authentic crt look, but I guess everyone has their preference. Using ossc with pc and the newer game consoles shows that even the scanline features are more then preserving the more native aspects that often get replaced by games that don't support them, or go for that "pixel art" look.

@kdkseven 3 жыл бұрын

So the OSSC has better scanline options than RetroTINK? I'm looking for a way to add scanlines to the Switch for retro games like the Turok and Doom games, and am trying to decide between the OSSC and the RetroTINK 2X Pro Multi-Format (both are the same price with similar features). So far it's seeming like most people prefer the OSSC for scanlines.

@voltz15 3 жыл бұрын

@@kdkseven Yeah vga will give you an input and all you have to add is an adaptor. I tested a onn brand from walmart awhile back side by side with native hdmi and it produced the best RGB 4:4:4 without black crush, but you still need something to split the audio, or check shmups forum for other suggestions. I pushed for cross scanlines to be included as they're native to all crts and have a line count. Even if matching scanlines don't work, vertical will produce the 480p and over image.

@TB-nf6bs 3 жыл бұрын

Ive been using the OSSC through scart on all my applicable consoles that don't have hdmi mods. I'll wait until the ossc pro comes out to upgrade. I keep watching comparison videos everytime they pop up I guess youtube compression and the capturing software can't show me the true differnce between the "1440p mode" the Tink outputs its so subtle unless all it does it just fill the screen auto? *I'd have to see it for myself other then that the automatic switching would be nice for the Saturn which I enjoy playing alot with friends.

@AZBCDE Жыл бұрын

The only problem with Retrotink is the lack of vga for Dreamcast

@elduderinoakahisdudeness 3 жыл бұрын

Except the Retrotink 5x is unobtainium, always out of stock :(

@shenrais1248 3 жыл бұрын

Supposedly restock happening this month. Hope it doesn't sell out within the first minute. Not sure how it was when it was released.

@dubesinhower 2 жыл бұрын

I purchased the 5x with my own money. I don’t receive any free products

@dubesinhower 2 жыл бұрын

I understand your frustration. It looks bad when I make a video and nobody can buy the thing from the video. Trust me, I wish I could do something about it

@dubesinhower 2 жыл бұрын

I made this point on Twitter earlier this year and it was not received well lol. Most mod creators only have one or two people and do this in their free time. Everyone said to leave them alone and don’t push them to make more mods. IMO the market is bigger than they realize, but they don’t want to take the risk of sitting on inventory that won’t sell

@dubesinhower 2 жыл бұрын

@@mjskillz23 the only advice is can give is follow people on Twitter. I try to retweet when mod creators announce upcoming stock

@arncht6507 2 жыл бұрын

Vga would be nice…

@SpinningSandwich 29 күн бұрын

I dunno that I've ever heard anyone say the PS1 looks better than the N64, but I guess everyone is allowed to have an opinion.

@UttRConcrete 3 жыл бұрын

Too bad the RetroTink didn’t have vga

@dubesinhower 3 жыл бұрын

I think someone’s working on an adapter, not sure about the details yet

@dubesinhower 3 жыл бұрын

TianFend designed an adapter: castlemaniagames.com/products/rondo-products-hd15-2-scart?ref=w9_zngec1o_

@danieljimenez1989 Ай бұрын

During the first two minutes you say the phrase "NES RGB modded NES"... I understand what you mean, but it's not ambiguous to just say "RGB modded NES" and sounds better, IMO.

@jamesross9469 3 жыл бұрын

Nice work. Take this methodology and spread it across 4 random lcds. My experience is the retrotink5x goes 4 for 4, the ossc goes 2 for 4. Love my ossc but it’s not even in the same ballpark as the tink5x.

@lets_go_me 3 жыл бұрын

Good video as always. I do really like what the RetroTINK 5x brings to the table and I think it is a good product for what it is. I just wish you and the the other people making videos about it would at least bring up in these videos that the OSSC Pro is going to be released later this year and that it plans to fix the majority of the issues with the old model when comparing the RetroTINK to the original OSSC.

@dubesinhower 3 жыл бұрын

Things are up in the air about what the OSSC Pro will actually be. I’m sure we’ll hear a lot more about it when it comes out

@rodm209 5 ай бұрын

What's your glasses prescription? At or above 5?

@michaelschiavetti2030 Жыл бұрын

More of a chicken sandwich kinda guy… but thanks for sharing. Hair 10/10

@PersianImm0rtal 2 жыл бұрын

I am considering upgrading, but at the same time nobody wants to watch my ADD ass play retro games on real hardware maybe i should save my money

@KondoAeros 2 жыл бұрын

OSSC is so much cheaper though...

@misterpk92 3 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry, but why are you trying to play tony hawk 3 on n64 haha

@dubesinhower 3 жыл бұрын

Lol IDK, something different

@SLRModShop 3 жыл бұрын

Bob alternates fields every other frame, not "alternate every other image and display it" (9:50). It's kind of correct when you already know what's going on, but sounds very confusing when you don't. No offense, there really isn't an easy way to quickly explain interlaced video so, who cares ^-^

@dubesinhower 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the better explanation!

@eugenegrebionkin 2 жыл бұрын

Are we comparing 100$ product with 300$ product? From the 3x price it is already clear what is better.

@bradfordblevins8310 2 жыл бұрын

While price doesn't necessarily indicate a product is better if you're buying a $100 OSSC I would have to imagine it's a dirt cheap clone and not of the highest quality. A legit OSSC imported into the US is still currently $200+ which makes this a pretty close comparison imo.

@eugenegrebionkin 2 жыл бұрын

@@bradfordblevins8310 ossc is the open source product, so the word "clone" isn't the most accurate here. For me personally, ossc costed near 75-80$ since I ordered the pcb manufacturing from China and was assembling it myself. And this also can't be called a "clone", but just an item assembled by open documentation, allowed by its creators

@robobin Жыл бұрын

@@bradfordblevins8310 No you just got scammed paying 100$ extra for that 'clone' someone else assembled.

@alessandrafatar6401 2 жыл бұрын

Scalines RGB 2x off Scaler 2x off Retro tink 2x pro Pedir R$120.00 triste Av2hdmi ruim cego pior 😣😥 R$35.00

@johndee759 3 жыл бұрын

I think simplicity is the key. The ossc is really great but just too advanced to setup. I think would choose the 5x over the OSSC pro.

@dubesinhower 3 жыл бұрын

Oh definitely, and even if you get a good profile saved, there are still issues with the OSSC, like resolution switching

@johndee759 3 жыл бұрын

@@dubesinhower retrotink is the way to go. As you said just plug in play.

@voltz15 3 жыл бұрын

@@johndee759 I only know of resolution switching on 240p-480i games. I would think running a Tink 2x would be a nice companion and you can combine it, plus smoothing features to the ossc's cross scanline mode for that more realistic crt look.

@johndee759 3 жыл бұрын

@@voltz15 the only thing the ossc is bribing to the table is the vertical rotation of games and that is actually a big one. They say that the OSSC pro is really a pro device and will cost around $500 and most likely more due the supply shortage.