Nate really adds a ton. Really appreciate his presence in this.
@whitesalamanderАй бұрын
Copy that. Much respect for this first class man!👏
@annedodgson8677Ай бұрын
God is interested in the character of souls. Period..this is further proof Joseph Smith is a charlatan…
@emilypierre9403Ай бұрын
I’m from Brazil and am from the Southern part of Brazil, from a state called Santa Catarina. There’s a lot of European in the South of Brazil. There is a town just 45min out of my hometown called Blumenau, it was basically founded by German people and some still speak German. Not only Blumenau but a lot of other small towns in Santa Catarina. Brazil is a very mixed country. There’s all kinds of people down there. Its pretty awesome. I’m half French, Portuguese and German. Left the Mormon church a few months ago and I do not regret it! Thanks to the Mormon Stories Podcast!! Keep up the good work, I love it!!
@emilypierre9403Ай бұрын
Also, I did not know that those things happened in Brazil 😐 A lot of members in Brazil know nothing about all the shitty stuff that the church does, it’s pretty sad, specially because they have to really pick between paying tithing or putting food on the table for you family.
@marcelasutton961Ай бұрын
Hi guys, I’m from São Paulo, Brazil. I’ve never heard of Mormons in Brazil until I discovered this channel, people don’t really talk about it but the church is big in São Paulo. It’s crazy that the LDS church thought that in BRAZIL people would not have black ancestry. Brazil is build by African slaves! Our country is full of black history and beautiful culture, obviously when slavery was abolished the people with money needed new workers so Europeans that were looking for new opportunities came to Brazil to work. So Brazil is mostly a mixed race country, 45% of the population identifies as mixed (with black and white ancestors). And the German community in the south still exists, and John you are right they mostly came after WW2 and some were definitely naz*s. Loved the episode ❤
@mormonstoriesАй бұрын
Thanks for sharing @marcelasutton961 !!!
@michelleadams107822 күн бұрын
Are any of those Nazi’s/Germans Mormon?
@mantalkwithbrycebauer670Ай бұрын
It seems like there is a difference in the definition of courage. The church leaders see “holding a secret” as courage so as to not lose members, whereas John sees courage as acknowledging the truth, regardless of the consequences. I agree with John. I think it takes more courage to be honest than it does to hold a secret.
@dorothybatton9544Ай бұрын
I joined the church in 1975. Found out in 78 that Blacks were not permitted to receive the Priesthood and was ready to close that door but the leaders convinced me of the reasons they had and I fell for it for years until much was revealed about Mormon History via podcasts. Is it true that President Carter told Pres Kimball that the church tax exemption would be null and void unless their policy was changed. Shortly thereafter a “revelation” was revealed to the Prophet to make some changes.
@merricat3025Ай бұрын
I heard that from someone on MSP
@markkrispin6944Ай бұрын
Yes it is true.
@gigi1332Ай бұрын
I joined in 75 too! Five time Young Woman President and very devoted convert for decades. I was completely devastated when I discovered that my leadership had knowingly lied to me about EVERYTHING. Should be illegal and they should be held accountable 💔
@utahbritАй бұрын
i thought all churches are tax-exempt regardless of their policies ??
@notme9881Ай бұрын
Don't think it's true. Probably hearsay. Unless someone can show the transcript.
@QiseekerАй бұрын
My book arrived yesterday! Can’t wait to read it. Thanks for shining light on darkness!
@iamjustsaying1Ай бұрын
If youd like to know intent, just listen to several episides where that is almost always addressed: 1.members deserve the full truth, and without that, they are being denied INFORMED consent. 2. If, once they know all of the things that the church leaders have been trying to hide, they still desire to remain members, then that's their choice....their INFORMED CONSENT.
@tcov22Ай бұрын
So much for the gift of discernment if a bishop or branch President can be named, only to find out later that he is not actually eligible because of his African ancestry.
@deezyphillips3942Ай бұрын
My dad holds the priesthood which is still wild to me that he isn’t offended as a black man with these aspects of the church.
@bookmedia67Ай бұрын
South Africa had large populations of Dutch, British, German, and other European settlers in the 19th Century. Remember, Africa was a major target for European colonization, and the Dutch Afrikaners were extremely religious people. Makes sense that the LDS church would target this community. Germans started colonizing in South America starting in the 1500s. Nazis fled to South America to shelter with sympathetic German colonists in Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay, etc. These communities were often devoutly religious.
@personofinterest8731Ай бұрын
@@bookmedia67 yes, easy to convert, BOM strangely familiar, no black people being converted at the time.
@iamjustsaying1Ай бұрын
Excellent series, Excellent episode. I was so ecstatic when the "revelation" of inclusion was announced, and it is now clear that revelation had nothing whatsoever to do with it.
@personofinterest8731Ай бұрын
South Africa tuning in. 👋🇿🇦
@hanako4475Ай бұрын
"And of course, the General Authorities didn't know what to do about it." could be a whole series unto itself!
@travismoses2424Ай бұрын
I approve😁
@eastonsaccountАй бұрын
Couldn’t handle the consequences of their own actions LOL
@HeroMan380Ай бұрын
Support from New Zealand guys, thanks for the work
@KGchannel01Ай бұрын
These are among my favorite episodes, keep going! I cant subscribe monthly (financial limitations), but i did buy his book!
@anthonydelfino6171Ай бұрын
35:54 "social economic status" implies "we're going to think you're black if you're poor" which is disgusting.
@wmjas26 күн бұрын
Poor kids are just as smart as white kids!
@bookmedia67Ай бұрын
Also, what a charming little anecdote about Mark E. Petersen. Not only did he have what I would describe as an extremely-pronounced fixation on young adult sexual sin, but he was an ardent supporter of the racist doctrines as well.
@edburdick5313Ай бұрын
I missed the fixation on Mark E Peterson. Where is that info. My father in-law was his AP when he was mission president in England. He said some very odd things.
@bookmedia67Ай бұрын
@@edburdick5313 I reached this opinion based entirely on his written works and early talks. Take a look through his bibliography on Wikipedia. Between the 1950s and 1970s, he wrote quite a few books providing counsel on teenage morality, teenage dating, modesty, sexual relations, courtship, LDS marriage, etc. Let's just say, when you read these books, you get the impression that he spent an unusual of time contemplating these subjects. Do not miss the classic, For Time or Eternity? (1954).
@fredflintstone8048Ай бұрын
Growing up in the Mormon cult the elders in the church were allegedly able to lay their hands on my head in preparation for getting the priesthood when I came of age, and have God or ?? reveal to them that I was in fact from the line of David which of course we all were in my age group and all received to Aaronic priesthood. Why couldn't they lay hands on someone's head and receive personal revelation as to whether or not the individual had a drop of black blood in them?
@vahnabanana7953Ай бұрын
This really speaks to the fact that we don’t have prophets and the men are merely presidents of a religious organisation. Men who are holding on to their own ideals of what the world should be being “products of their time”. Hearing that David O McKay was pretty much saying “my hands are tied”is disheartening. It could have been amazing for the church to say “hey we were wrong there is no revelation, we apologise to the families who have been denied blessings and exaltation the ban has been lifted” but I fear one of the reasons why is because white supremacy had already been so ingrained into the culture of the church. This series has been eye opening and I look forward to the future episodes.
@kathrynclass2915Ай бұрын
Howard W Hunter was the stake president of my stake (Pasadena, California) growing up. It was before my time but his picture hung on the wall there my whole life. Might still be there. And people were always pointing out that an apostle and then a prophet came from our stake. He was a celebrity. I think his re-ordaining this faithful man makes him better in my eyes than anything he did as a prophet. I know he was just following instructions but I like that this happened.
@mawuenagagakuma8366Ай бұрын
I thought I heard enough. Today is another revelation. 😢
@theone566810 күн бұрын
Almost 60 years ago as an adolescent in Brazil, one member of our branch who was a priesthood holder and his family (wife and son) were faithful active members of the Church stopped coming to the meetings. I found out that the reason for their sudden disappearance was because on doing his genealogy he found out about his until then unknown African ancestry. It was really a sad situation. As time went and I went on a mission, then BYU and learned more and more about the doctrines and history of the Church, I realised 50 years ago that the ban of the priesthood on Blacks was a policy and that it had never had been a revelation. Fast forwarding to the lift of the ban, I was surprised to read that Spencer W. Kimball had received a "revelation" to end the ban. My immediate question was: how can he have received a revelation to end the ban, when there has never had been a revelation to ban the priesthood to Blacks in the first place? Obviously, this demonstrates that the Prophet, Seer and Revelator is not really what he is purported to be!
@hanako4475Ай бұрын
So happy to see Nate here on this episode!🤩
@lorawhitfield6995Ай бұрын
Such great research on Matt’s part. Huge shout out to Nate for his vulnerability and adding his voice to the conversation. So many of the statements from leaders were just cringe and made me really uncomfortable and angry!
@wollettabaldomero984927 күн бұрын
😅
@mipiace2504Ай бұрын
Watching from Arizona. Seems the church leaders have their hearts set on the things of this world.
@susiekathryn8570Ай бұрын
This is insane and I’m just so frustrated…..
@debbieshrubb1222Ай бұрын
Me too; its just awful.
@elilass8410Ай бұрын
Am half afrikaner. Afrikaners are descendants of dutch settlers, not norwegian. However, it's true that the one drop rule did not exist in South Africa like it did in the USA-even under apartheid, blackness was more of a question of appearance than of parentage. Albino or white-passing people were considered white, even if their entire families were black. Likewise, a child from a white family who inherited african/black features from a black ancestor (and indeed there were many afrikaner families who recognized having at least one black ancestor) might be classified as Coloured or Black (two separate categories). It shows how bullshit this whole racist "science" is-two white supremacist countries had two completely different approaches to qualify who was black or white.
@jancooley4963Ай бұрын
There was nothing n that discussion that mingled the Norwegian story with the South African issues. It was a separate anecdote entirely. Agree that the whole identification issue was BS.
@elilass8410Ай бұрын
@@jancooley4963 He says that settlers in south africa are descendants from Norway at one point
@nancytheriault3431Ай бұрын
This makes me sick. Why do people want so badly to be a part of a group that so clearly has no respect for them?
@DarkPrince702Ай бұрын
When they come in the name Jesus Christ, it's kinda a big deal lol. When you claim to be the only true church that would be the reason they'd want to be a part of it I think lol.
@tenciehamilton469028 күн бұрын
When your searching for the truth and then you have people coming with answers that you've been struggling with like "Yes we have a living prophet" and displays fake love and compassion that's what draws you in. It's the idea of families can be together forever and all the other teachings that I found so humbling while in the church. Going to church in the Bahamas was beautiful and fun. Going to church in the United was were me and my family first encounter racial discrimination in the church. Gaining the understanding of who you are in God, your eyes starts to open to see what's then going on and you startto ask the toughquestions that no one can answer or wants to answer. Now 26 years later My family and I are none active and living a more beautiful life in Jesus Christ with out the church.
@knowlittle6527 күн бұрын
Jesus did that in the Bible. Don't you mock God. God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ are in charge.
@michellesunshinestarАй бұрын
I was at the Kirtland Temple on Saturday with my dad. Thankfully no proselytizing. We sang "The Spirit of God in the Kirtland Temple. We also saw the Joseph Smith house. We saw the first hymnal (or replica), it was so tiny, and only the words. No mention of polygamy though. But I "felt the spirit", if I were still LDS. A lot of people were from Utah, they probably thought we were members.
@paulaaustin8365Ай бұрын
I served my mission there and was there with my grandfather and four ten year old-ish girl cousins. It Def has a feeling about it and has been restored beautifully. I just wish it were true instead of Mormon Disneyland.
@joeswifeАй бұрын
There were populations of Germans from Russia in South American pre WW2. They were the descendants of Germans who immigrated to Bessarabia and the Volga in Russia at the behest of Catherine the Great during the 1760's. Many left Russia between 1870s'-1920's after Russia reneged on many of the promises made to them regarding military service, taxes etc. They were known to be insular so not a lot of marrying outside their own group. Most would have been 100% Caucasian.
@coldwar45Ай бұрын
A lot of Volga Germans came to the US and Canada as well, particularly in the Plains regions.
@johnthomasmoulton8934Ай бұрын
Tunning in from Thailand
@Songsofourown23Ай бұрын
I think the Afrikaaners are Dutch though my friend said that the language is based on Dutch.
@sewcellosusan8664Ай бұрын
I agree. I believe the Boers aka Afrikaans (farmers) were primarily Dutch, some German, French Hugenots who settled the Cape Colony as part of the Dutch East India Co.
@larissabrglum3856Ай бұрын
Afrikaans is very similar to Dutch, to the point where I can't really tell them apart.
@JsppydaysАй бұрын
Wonderful information and video. Thank you all for such great research, facts and documented info. . You can't make this mass confusion up. Started from the very beginning of this religion and it has not changed. A man made religion looks like this.
@user-rt9th4lz7z26 күн бұрын
Excellent presentation, as usual. Please add a link to Professor Harris' article on the patriarchical blessings, either above or in the show notes.
@mormoncivilwar6189Ай бұрын
Anger about life changing injustice and terrible decision making that has sabotaged the sincere efforts to do good of a community of millions is not "unhealthy" John! ;-) Everyone should be absolutely livid any of this happened for so long so don't apologise for giving voice to that overarching reality. Another absolutely fantastic episode showing us the 80% of the iceberg of the church's racist segregation that we had no idea about.
@King_PuffleumpАй бұрын
Makes you wonder if several apostles today want to get rid of the views on homosexuality but can’t yet
@charleswashington6343Ай бұрын
For those who still might not understand how passing is possible, think of...Halsey, Wentworth Miller (Prison Break), Jennifer Beals, Vin Diesel, Rebecca Hall, etc. By the above mentioned, they can all "pass" as white.
@mellisagreen7801Ай бұрын
Now I understand why the church is so caught up with geneology. It is because of this obsession with who is white and who is not. This is so sick. The pretense, lies and manipulation is staggering.
@jancooley4963Ай бұрын
John was right on the Norwegian guy. I was yelling at my screen. No JFS was not feeling touched about the guy. He was absolutely, 100%, no doubt protecting the church. Thanks for making that point.
@user-mz5lh8qv8yАй бұрын
This is the best so far in the series!
@palomabennettwordpressblog7490Ай бұрын
Afrikaners are of Dutch descent. They are not Norweigan. Part of the maternal side of my family is English-Jewish South Africans, so I know a bit about that region.
@umoudo7366Ай бұрын
A good example of passing as white would be Maria Carey and her brother! She passes as white and her brother doesn’t hence, as she said in interviews, she had more privileges.
@annep4830Ай бұрын
This series is spectacular.
@BlackMeWidowАй бұрын
Can i just observe that as offensive as that discrimination was (no "priesthood"), it is still up for WOMEN TODAY 😢
@DresdenNeustadrАй бұрын
My grandfather was a missionary in South Africa in 1930s
@bookmedia67Ай бұрын
I'm curious if he was proselytizing to the Afrikaners or English at the time?
@Salvino11020 күн бұрын
Can't imagine a loving Heavenly Father segregating His children. God created them, too.
@kerryholyoak5720Ай бұрын
My grandfather served in South Africa just prior to and during WWI.
@federicoeco9030Ай бұрын
From Uruguay
@fainbrown8681Ай бұрын
Hi neighbor from Argentina
@davidcallaway7471Ай бұрын
From Bolivia @@fainbrown8681
@rebeccahansen1786Ай бұрын
I find it interesting that in 1964 when I was 8 or 9 years old in elementary school in Salt Lake, my teacher took a very negative view of the segregationists in the South who were angered by the Civil Rights Act. Mind you, my education was very Mormon at the time as were my teachers.
@bugsea54Ай бұрын
I personally think if a certain percentage of tithings do go to helping people or the community they should lose their tax exempt status. That is the whole reason for tax exempt, not to invest funds for profit. That is just the most ridiculous thing I ever heard of. Why are they still tax exempt!? Omg !! They are acting like a for profit entity, not a non profit.
@erpthompsonqueen9130Ай бұрын
Thank you. Waiting to Watch from Alaska. 🤔
@tammyheaton2647Ай бұрын
somwonw nweeds to write a book about the third class saint...i.e. women
@susiekathryn8570Ай бұрын
Got my book the other day. Looking forward to reading it!
@Cherie112358Ай бұрын
That story about the branch president in Brazil was something my mom told me about in the 80s/90s.
@ricardoenriquediazcerrato994827 күн бұрын
I hope I eventually get interviewed so I can tell you about a story concerning a pioneer family here in Honduras and what happened with them and the ban.
@aBrewster29Ай бұрын
The “how the Q15 works” angle’s importance cannot be understated. You can imagine all this kind of stuff going on today on LGBTQ issues, and the few windows we do have (e.g., 2015 policy and reversal, Uchtdorf’s demotion, redaction of Packer’s declaration that the Family Proclamation was a revelation) strongly point to this process happening.
@BreezyDaze19 күн бұрын
His view of passing as white is very simplistic. A lot of us who were “passing” as white had lost our identity and had no idea. Many were told we were Indian. Many who were mixed and labeled as mulatto in the early 1800 census records were “changed” to white by the 1860 census records. If you belong to one of those families you would never know your ancestry unless you did a DNA test. We are getting far enough out that many don’t even show African ancestry anymore. Some of us still do but it is a small percentage of our DNA and you need records to back the lineage up.
@natalievance595Ай бұрын
My family history on my father’s side, my 2x great grandfather move my grandmother and children from SC to TX to protect them and my great grandfather and sister passed easily
@user-ri7xo7uv1qАй бұрын
I got a patriarchal blessing and I am pretty sure the typed copy I got back a few weeks later was substantially different than what I actually heard with my own ears. I would like to know if this is a practice that affected others. Is some church corporate bureaucrat stepping on the blessings given because they don't agree with what was recorded?
@mawuenagagakuma8366Ай бұрын
Mat's books will make a great movie
@Teajay21Ай бұрын
I hope Nate is being paid as a panelist as well!
@mormonstoriesАй бұрын
He is.
@Teajay21Ай бұрын
@mormonstories great! I assumed he wa because Mormon stories always makes a point to compensate guests but Darren was mentioned without him so I wasn't sure. Thanks for a great panel.
@markkrispin6944Ай бұрын
Got my copy of the book last week. Great reading! Great job Matthew Harris on this book!
@elainebeard2922Ай бұрын
Has the leadership idiocy not remembered a black man assisted the Savour with the cross.
@vickiecase5516Ай бұрын
My ancestors were converted to the church while living in South Africa who had moved from England and had many children who then migrated to Utah. Thus 100’s of Francom’s populated Utah from this one family. All Caucasian’s so I’m grateful the missionaries went to South Africa. One of the great great grandkids wrote a book that’s currently sold through Amazon. Martin Francom. Book about this family from South Africa
@natles9880Ай бұрын
Califoria is here!
@susanwells253Ай бұрын
Wonder, did these black and biracial saints know about the whole "on the fence" and "the curse of Cain and ham" thing. I married a Mormon soldier in Germany, of coarse I moved to his home state of Utah. But it didn't know half of this stuff. Didn't know about god having a wife. But it this whole thing never makes since.
@ShellyLАй бұрын
What are the other 3 parts titled? Thank You
@mormonstoriesАй бұрын
They’re here @ShellyL: kzfaq.info/sun/PLxq5opj6GqODeVR626KKe_yujrlyMG0Ix&si=_c4jILdirC-E3ARg
@ShellyLАй бұрын
@@mormonstories Thank You
@alandonly26 күн бұрын
"For God is not the author of confusion." Um. 🤔 Jesus abandons his apostles for 150 years as they blunder through the most awful mess of confusion one can imagine. One sentence of DIRECT revelation from from Jesus to any of the prophets since Joseph Smith could have prevented all this nonsense! One sentence!!! 😡 "Pres. X, end the priesthood ban today." That's how a god who is really not the author of confusion WOULD act. This is atrocious.
@badasspeacemakerАй бұрын
My best friend has straight light blond hair. A few years ago they learned that one of their ancestors was an African American slave.
@annimalasenko7326Ай бұрын
"We need to create a new theology and this is how we're going to it.." black on white.
@Alnava-ml3wnАй бұрын
Listening from 🇲🇽
@quacks2muchАй бұрын
In the mid-1980s, the joke going around was that women hold the priesthood because they hold their husbands. Techically, we are all Americans because Adam and Eve started out in the world in what is now Missouri.
@suellenmishkiАй бұрын
I have English ancestors who were living in South Africa who were baptized in 1865, then shortly after immigrated to the US.
@sa889677Ай бұрын
Not to nitpick, but weren’t the Afrkaaners Dutch?
@matthewharris7151Ай бұрын
Yes, they were. Thank you for the correction!
@bogoney27 күн бұрын
My brother brought a friend to church . They ran him out for being black . We only spent a few months in the church .
@foreverur1nonlyАй бұрын
I was lucky enough to catch this live....John have you done episodes on the single wards majority in the SLC valley? They are HORRIBLE culture
@mormonstoriesАй бұрын
Email me @foreverur1nonly mormonstories@gmail.com
@Dutchess0909Ай бұрын
About genealogical research... This was started really to detect non white blood?
@orthocathАй бұрын
I agree the book is essential reading. John, you mentioned it as one of the top 3 books on Mormonism. What are the other 2?
@mormonstoriesАй бұрын
No Man Knows My History Maybe David O. McKay and the Rise of Modern Mormonism
@orthocathАй бұрын
@@mormonstories Thank you! Any thoughts on American Zion?
@PatriciaNoel-qp2ffАй бұрын
“RoughStone Rolling “ by Richard Bushman and anything from Dan Vogel. 😊
@madogg15224 күн бұрын
I was told a reason that was logical at the time. However, that policy should have been changed upon arrival to SLC. Don't base your testimony on live MEN. All are human, will die, thus IMPERFECT. Earn the rights to a testimony of the restoration. The Savior is the head of the church, not imperfect men. There are many issues with the leaders. They will be held responsible on the Judgement day. For the moment, the Church is at CRITICAL mass. I believe, if a leader bends too far, Father will take them to preserve the integrity of the church. There are MANY dirty SECRETS in SLC. The Church is a covenant / contract from Christ. No matter what any leader does, it doesn't make the church or the restoration false. It only makes the men accountable to Father and Christ. I don't like supporting the leaders until something came to my mind. Babies have diapers, they STINK, yet diapers support a nasty mess. I support the leaders, it a stinky diapers job, but it the measuring stick at the moment. Don't think about the men, leaders, etc. think of the Goal, residence with Heavenly Father and Christ.
@ah5721Ай бұрын
this is so twisted and convoluted in how people are treated in the church who are chocolate colored ! Church history is messed up! .
@ziphokazidurr3857Ай бұрын
WOW ! I’m telling people in South Africa where I was born to do their research if they’re even thinking of joining this church which is now trying to mormonise Africa. What happened to us not being suitable, cursed?!!!
@InternationalMysteries360Ай бұрын
Passing also meant you deny your darker family. Was noted before but watch Imitation of Life.
@ladama3201Ай бұрын
Excellent job, well done!
@ricardoenriquediazcerrato994827 күн бұрын
Every time I think the Church won't surprise anymore something else comes out.
@jancooley4963Ай бұрын
Thanks!
@osam6356Ай бұрын
How are Afrikaners related to Norwegians? Are they not related to the Dutch instead?? Kinda makes you wonder what this guy is on about. Afrikaans is very similar to Dutch.
@mormonstoriesАй бұрын
I think he just misspoke.
@honeybearcaresАй бұрын
Watching this wondering if my dads priesthood and temple covenants are valid. According to 23andme he has 1% African ancestory and had ordinances performed prior to 1978.
@tawnyachristensen7310Ай бұрын
Great series!
@lotion_lauraАй бұрын
Great episode.
@livea3596Ай бұрын
Yuck! This is bad history, indeed. Thanks for this episode.
@susiekathryn8570Ай бұрын
Catching up.. again
@heidiWavaАй бұрын
What about in the Islands.. & Lal the good that has & does come with it.. Sure, I dig listening to anti or questions & questionable things.. I have plenty of questions.. I also have many good things come from it, and just don't want to throw it all out... So confusing.. How do we ignore the good things? Also valid how do they ignore/neglect the bad things..? Anyway, sometimes life is so hard!
@dianamoss159Ай бұрын
Watching from Oklahoma.
@doctorquestian15 күн бұрын
recovering Mormon? It seems as though everyone agrees that Joseph Smith falsely is a racist. And since he is a racist, would that not make Joseph Smith a false prophet? And wouldn't that bring into doubt all of the things that Joseph Smith produced? Such as the book of Mormon? How can you follow a man who made up this whole book of Mormon thing and all of the doctrines that come along with this belief? Would you not all agree, that you should maybe forget about this guy, and rather go back and check out the holy Bible? Check out what Jesus really wants you to believe in, and throw away this other garbage!
@AlbertJLouieАй бұрын
When you seek answers from the Book of Mormon instead of the Bible, God can't help you because you have turned your back on Him. Therefore this leaves the door open for Satan (II Corinthians 11:14-15) to step into your life with a false christ or prophet showing you signs and wonders to lead you away from the real Jesus of the Bible who is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity and the Eternal Creator God. God Himself warns us about this in: MATTHEW 24: 23-24 "Then if anyone says to you, Look, here is the Christ! or There! Do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect..." Mormons teach and believe that their jesus is the brother of Satan, which contradicts what God says in His Bible that Jesus is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity and the Eternal Creator God. So Mormons, which Jesus do you believe in? A. Your jesus of the Book of Mormon, who is the brother of Satan. OR B. The Jesus of the Bible, who is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity and the Eternal Creator God.
@CountryBwoyАй бұрын
It's all false
@AlbertJLouieАй бұрын
@@CountryBwoy Well, the Biblical and academic evidence says otherwise.
@greg-op2jhАй бұрын
@@AlbertJLouiesays who?
@TheSainteliasАй бұрын
Yes. Reading the Bible tells you gods truth, like me being able to sell my daughters into slavery, taking care of our slaves and woman are literal property. So so much better than the BoM? Or gods texts are written by men who are claiming to speak for god? Or god is sexist and racist!
@AlbertJLouieАй бұрын
@@greg-op2jh GOD..
@kevinmcdonald951Ай бұрын
Great stuff.
@greg-op2jhАй бұрын
Damnit I am late! Recap time❤
@mariamccrory4277Ай бұрын
Book a revelation chapter 2,2 are the mormon churches
@InternationalMysteries360Ай бұрын
I make this comment every time. I love Mr. Harris, but I hate when he makes excuses for this cruel racism, and act like people didn’t know better. As I noted, there were plenty of abolitionists and these so called seers should have known better.
@susiekathryn8570Ай бұрын
My dad always signed his letters to me with his full name. I have maybe one memory of a letter that he signed “dad”.