Hi Mark. I've just posted a comment and it has not appeared here? I was asking whereabouts in the world you are flying in the video as the scenery looks amazing.

@@peterfinkill8098 I see your earlier comment. See link in notes below the video.

Agreed, a Pico 4 with a display port would be awesome !!!

Word. Pico is way overrated for MSFS. That compression bites hard

Admittedly Pico missed a trick by not adding a DP port, but they've squarely aimed the 4 as a rival to the Quest 2, it's ability to sit in-between the G2 and Q2 is just a bonus for PCVR gaming and it's way better than the Q2 for MSFS IMHO

@@MavUK6666 sure, it's not a bad headset at all for the price, lenses are great. Just not the G2 killer for sims that some people claim it is

Have you tried the Quest Pro?

@@lurchilurch5507 Hi, not a route I wanted to go down personally, Pico 4 is far from perfect but the pancake lenses and their FOV means I won't go back to Fresnel lenses for now..

The Pico 4 is not the successor of the Neo 3, it's a standalone model. Neo 3 is for PCVR and is still sold.

Agreed.👍

why OLED panels? OLEDs are very much inferior to LCDs.

@@madigorfkgoogle9349 You are joking, I hope! I have LG 48 inch OLED screens on my Gaming PC, XBox as well as an LG83C1 for watching TV. All offer 120Hz VRR. NOTHING even comes close. The only way that some people consider them 'inferior' is if they try to 'outshine the sun'. I set the brightness to 50% , which is more than bright enough, and the blacks cannot be matched by ANY other technology.

@@ColinDyckes ..and still, this is very inferior to any current VR headset. The immersion factor in VR is day and night better then on flat screen, and "sitting" inside a cockpit in 3d world is never same as watching a picture on your TV, never will be... Speaking of OLED, the LCD technology is actually way above the OLED. Im a digital printing specialist and photograph, doing colour calibration and profiling (using expensive spectro-photometers) for over two decades, you have to give me to measure a single OLED display that has a delta E under 2, and a single OLED display that has mediocre (no not excellent like IPS LCDs) dynamic contrast. Almost every modern IPS LCD has delta E under 2 and many even under 1. OLEDs are not even close to LCD, but hey they are "bright like sun"... Sorry, you are just another victim of OLED cool aid wave....OLEDs are just cheaper to make and make a much larger profit then LCDs.

@@madigorfkgoogle9349 Remember that the use case here is for GAMING though the 13900K and 4090 is incredible for 4K video editing. I might agree with you on colour accuracy and colour space but for TV and gaming OLEDs are perfect in my opinion. Regarding VR, I have a G2 but prefer 48 inch flat screen and TrackIR. I will fly more in VR when a suitable quality headset is available. BTW, I used to hold a PPL and flew Cessnas IRL 🙂.

@@ColinDyckes I understand the GAMING scenario, what I said was to show you how inferior the OLED technology is. I have G2 as well and also expensive EIZO Color Edge 32" monitor and above another 27" DELL. I used to have TrackIR which I sold half a year I got the Reverb G2 not using it a single time. For movie watching (I ditched TV many years ago) I use DLP projector on 110" screen, and no its not due to much larger screen. OLED TVs have such a bad colours I cant stand them. Yes those colours are popping and that is to mask the bad natural colours, I have never seen a realistic skin tone, sky, grass or threes colour on OLED. Also the bad dynamic contrast disqualifies the OLED for movies, especially those with dark scenes. BTW, I used to fly sailing planes when I was seventeen, wanted to become fighter pilot. Did pass the medical exam, but it was still the time you had to have someone somewhere to get picked for the school in my country. I ended up as tank platoon commander and then quick reaction force plt. commander. I got lucky when there was an airshow, me still in uniform I met a guy from the pilot school (I was assigned to his room for the exam) who was already finished pilot at that time. My medical exam was still valid so we agreed that he will take me for a spin in a Mig few weeks later. It was a high altitude flight in Mig-23UB and we went up to 18k meters height... So I was extremely lucky, you already kinda see curvature of Earth at that height and it becomes darker. I dont use the VR for civilian flight sims, I "fly" IL-2 and DCS. Cant go back to flat.

I agree, plus the freedom wireless brings to piloting.

@@SimHangerFS Yes, I loved wireless very often for stuff like HL Alyx and others. But for flight sims with dogfights like DCS, il2 and my now favourite VTOL VR, I am sticking to reverb g2 as it's native performance in rapid head movement cannot be compared to quest2 (and by extension pico4) using compressed streaming.

Hi, What gpu are u using with your headsets

@@123thedman1 I'm using a EVGA FTW3 3080ti with the G2v2 (basement sim racing rig) and a Radeon 6900xt with the Pico 4 (upstairs living room).

@@jackr.749 Thanks bro, appreciate you traking the time to reply.

​@@123thedman1I use a 4090 and still much prefer the G2 for MSFS

With a DP it has the potential to be a category killer….! But alas it’s not on the cards.

A test on the 7800X3D coming up soon…with a 4090!

@@SimHangerFS I look forward to sitting down to that one with a cup of tea.

Agreed I am loving my Pico 4

I recently bought the Pico 4 as an upgrade from Quest 2 and oh boy what an upgrade (actually is even cheaper atm in Amazon) . I'm playing with the USB-C to Gigabit Ethernet directly connected to a Gigabit switch so network latency is basically sub ms with 0 jitter. Plus the adapter has USB charging passthrough so I charging it while playing.

Only tested with a 3090. Performance was ok, but not amazing! But then again I only have a 10900K CPU, yours is working faster than mine.

*Oleds

Or better yet, a pancake lens mod for the G2. Seriously it has almost everything except clarity and contrast.

I hope I am wrong, but it is unlikely there will be a G3.

MSFS in VR has DLSS and FSR2 support. 3070 runs fine with that as far as one can tell from reviews. Get yourself a Pico4 if you are PCVR only, or get a Quest1 for 100 bucks used to get a no brainer entry into VR. Both Pico as Quest3 have new pancake lenses with comparable perf and picture. Pico is 100 bucks cheaper. Quest has the brand name to make it expensive, the Meta software leaves some to be desired for the money. Its far from perfect and choosing good competitors is well worth the thought.

Pico4 Pro is already on sale, and wifi 6 was added to the quest pro

Check the link in the notes below the video….Victoria Falls … it is stunning 🤩

Ebay

My Reverb G2 ran perfectly on my GigaByte Aorus 3090 Xtreme,and is obviously even better on the 4090 TUF OC now. It ran with both the original and updated interface box. I can't think of any reason that it wouldn't work with all displayport interfaces.

Yes, check out my essential vr playlist on my channel.

@@SimHangerFS Thanks Mark I've found your set up tutorials. Keep the the great work. I can't wait to fly in VR.

No I haven’t tried the neo 3.

Aero graphics are much better (but not FOV). Aero is currently best for visuals but at a premium price point.

Not really, the cpu and GPU are designed to work hard. It is something I have never measured.

@@SimHangerFS Thank you!

Quest 3

Thanks a lot, so you think RTX4070ti is enough then ? I was a bit afraid because many youtubers said 4080 or 4090 for the pico 4 or quest 3 due to compression, that is why i was thinking maybe the G2 could be the one for me@@SimHangerFS

@@eldjoudilaouedj5200 the 4070ti is okay if youe happy to dial back the resolution a bit and use a combination of high and meduim settings. Still a good experience.

Thanks a lot for your time :)@@SimHangerFS

Good to know, what GPU do you have to run the Pico?

@Whirlynerds for pcv, I use a 4090 but plenty of users with 3080-3090's or 6800-6900xt's getting great results on KZfaq. Like all higher end vr, you need a beefy system.

@@MNHemiGuy yea thought so, I’m pondering on the pico over my quest 2 , I run a 13900k with founders 3080

@Whirlynerds the pico has recommended settings based on your card and the 3080 is 2nd from the top preset list. You think would run it just fine. I'm waiting to see what the Quest 3 or if the Crystal ever releases and gets good user reviews, until then Pico 4 is now my new favorite.

Opposite for me, went back to the G2. That compression is too much to deal with in MSFS, even with a 4090

It’s the GPU, you need to turn down the resolution %

I do share that concern.

Interesting, I haven't tried that. Good in MSFS?

@@SimHangerFS Yes, excellent imho. With the new v51 PTC local dimming it works even better with night fluing.

@@SimHangerFS Yes of course it is very good with msfs. Now it has Local Dimming it's even much more superior to the Pico 4. You get what you pay for imho.

A display port can transfer a large amount of data at one time and do so quickly. HDMI & other methods are slower, this would mean the headset constantly waiting for data. By compressing the video data it can reduce the size of the ‘’packet’’ at the cost of some loss of visual fidelity. DLSS 3 is not available (functional) in VR at the moment. It can utilise DLSS 2 👍

The problem I've noticed with DLSS in VR is it causes blur, our eyes are so close to the panels that for me I get a lot of blur, whereas on a monitor, my eyes are far enough away I don't see that blur and DLSS works well then. Could just be my eyes though.

The issue is doing the real-time compression of the video stream sucks up a lot of GPU resources. G2 doesn't have to do that, so all the GPUs power goes into rendering.

I haven't tried the Q3 obviously, but will be doing so ! I love my Pico 4 though. Simple and it just works.

@@SimHangerFS Phew, the Pico sounds like my kind of headset, hate faffing. From what i can see, the pico still has better visuals, but Quest 3 has better controllers and processor, making it better in standalone, but largely irrelevant for us on PC.

The only reason why I'd consider the Pico 4 over the Q3 now is because of budget, or if you just hate Meta. Pico 5, on the other hand...nothing announced, though

Only at medium settings

Your new system sounds EPIC!

@@SimHangerFS I am 59 mate. Ex 737 jockey. I always had budget computers and I owned the last one for 10 years. Just for once in my life I wanted a high spec machine with all the bells and whistles. Fast so I can make mistakes quicker. Lol Let's face it. By the time this machine has worn out a nurse will be yelling in my ear "Did you plug it in! I probably be quite satisfied watching the bios loading screen for a few hours.

@@critical_always 🤣😂🤣

@@SimHangerFS... And omg, mind blown. The pico 4 is so clear! I mean... I am actually in that Cessna 152! Staring close up at the knobs and dials like an absolute lunatic. Gotta take it easy with the motion though. The ears disagree with the eyes. Ugh. But beautiful!

@none of your business exactly! People pushing the outdated G2 need to try the Pico 4. Heck, it's cheaper and better in all ways. I have both and trying to sell my G2 asap and still no takers. There's a reason why.....