He cheated on her and have some bastards despise that ,yes they have healthy relathionship.😅

Yes! They are the ultimate Westerosi power couple. They are my favorite characters. 🐉🔥⛵🐚

Westerosi underwoods 😅

Ned and Cat though

​@@djfreem6881nah, they didn't trust each other..

The sad thing is from source material Daemon couldn’t have done it because his was still in the steppestones

​@@lunahyacinth6335could have sent an assassin to do it when he had an alibi like Euron did to Balon.

She didn't say "She fell from her horse." She said "She was thrown of her horse" I think thats already pretty... clear without stating the obvious

@@masterplokoon8803yea but the book pretty much confirms he had nothing to do with her death

@@wayne47able the book mentions that he was in the Stepstones and was not capable of phisically commiting the murder. But as I said he could have sent an assassin like he did for Jaehaerys. And Lady Jeyne Arryn suspects him and banishes him from the Vale.

Veleryon and Targaryen: Yes

The Celtigars are basically a speck

Yes. The crabs have never mattered

I thought the same. The child on the throne would still be of Velaryon blood, what many parents to noble daughters want, and the other possible heirs would be princes and princesses bearing the name Velaryon. Also, Viserys said, "When their FIRSTBORN ascends the Iron Throne," there's a loophole there. If the firstborn dies before they can ascend the throne, or dies before they can have an heir, the next ruler would be their sibling, who still has the Velaryon name.

@@choryllis6646 Great catch. However, I doubt the 2nd born would pass on the Targaryen name given the prestige and legitimacy that comes with it.

@@MoDeriye Oh yeah, I sure as hell wouldn't pass on having that name either.

I actually think that Viserys was pretty smart about this by bringing up Rhaenyra being female. Since Corlys has always pushed Rhaenys' claim, this renders him unable to argue with Viserys' proposal without sounding like a hypocrite.

@@anisaguine I agree. And I think Rhaenys noticed as well. Hence her smirk when Viserys said that.

Because they actually are honourable and defending the kingdom/realm properly, carry themselves with maturity, and act as such instead of having second intentions or selfishness. They do not indulge in the drama or seek any, much less instigating any of it.

​@@MarianaCarvalho-gu8zx No they are simply ambitious and regal. Asking the heirs to not be Targaryns was insane

Though they did try to marry their 12 year old to Viserys for a power game. Not very adult

@@hyjinki4886 No, it was a very smart move of them. It'd bind their families together and heal old wounds (and prevent the Dance). As for her age, Viserys simply had to wait a few years to bed Laena, like what Rhaenys planned. And honestly he'd have no problem with that considering he banged a 14/15 year old Alicent without hesitation. And unlike Alicent, Laena most likely would've embraced her role as Queen and Viserys' partner without being miserable and disgusted.

@@BleedingGrafitti the families were already bound together. They were already cousins with more than a few marriages between them. And Corlys was already on the small council. If I have a political dispute with a cousin, even a serious fight, there are a lot of ways I can mend that without offering my 12 year old daughter to be his child bride

You’d be surprised how much incest can result in health complications

@@Heeem13 in the reality of the show Targaryen incest preserved their power over dragons. One fun idea is that Viserys got sick because he no longer had an active dragon bond. He should have gotten a new dragon after Balerion died.

@@jt7638 I mean, every targaryen from Aegon III onward had now active dragon bond and none of them suffered the same sickness as Viserys. Seems like a bit of a long shot

@@charlieburnham39 the show mixes and matches from the books. In the books, Viserys suffers from drinking and obesity related problems.

He'd still have his future grandson on the throne though, and as we saw with Tywin being the grandfather of Joffrey and Tommen, it'd give him a direct line of access to the Iron Throne.

4:03 and Lord Strong in the back trying not to piss himself

I am sick of it as well. This forced diversity crap is so cringe. "Black Valerians with Silver Hair" LOL Talk about virtue signaling. Clearly they didn't give it much thought other than "INCLUSION" did they? I mean let's be real..... Their silver hair insinuates that they share genetics with all other High Valerians yet they are dark skinned, which is the opposite trait of other High Valerians. It's woke and inclusive for the sake of being woke and inclusive. I'm all for representation when it makes sense. But forcing it down our throats at every chance no matter how out of story, character or plot is just CRINGE AF and screams PATHETIC.

@@st.michaelofcigarillo2845no one was talking about that you weirdo, besides, the actor they chose is not only a GOAT but pals with G.R.R Martin since before the first books were even published

@@st.michaelofcigarillo2845 as opposed to all the white people who have natural silver hair? It’s a fantasy show with dragons and magic, who gives a fuck if it’s not realistic for a black guy to have silver hair

@@st.michaelofcigarillo2845Yes. The family that l interbred with dragons is realistic, but black people with platinum blonde hair? Sacrilege. It’s obviously so both Velaryon and Targaryen can have Valerian silver hair, but so we don’t get confused who is from each house. Would be almost double the number of silver haired pale people otherwise.

I agree with the sentiment that at that point in time, the Targaryen dynasty might have thrived under Rhaenys, and the dance of dragons wouldn't have happened (at that point). But I'd say the nature of a dynasty, having powerful weapons of mass destruction (dragons), the incest and the unchecked power and privilege that comes with being royalty, would have undone their dynasty at some other point. The countless civil wars and the blackfyre rebellions etc. are proof they were always headed towards self destruction. A last point, Rhaenyra isn't as bad as some of the other Targaryens considering the privileges she was born into. Male Targaryens have gotten away with being that much worse human beings.

How does his love for his daughter make him a weak king?! What did you expect him to do have her sons killed?! And even then it was expected that she have heirs. It’s no one’s fault that Laenor was gay and couldn’t get it up.

@@sascham-yb9ds I think they meant that Viserys is at fault to see the big picture being that Westeros is heavily a patriarchy society yet he call Rhaenyra as his heir cause of being butt hurt from Daemon and his failure to have an authentic male heir. He should’ve know that by time he remarried and had a son that many would expect Aegon, as much how awful he is, to be heir. That basically how that society work and function. Yet he still remain resilient to have Rhaenyra his heir which slowly started to cause a drift towards battlefield between the Greens and Blacks. And cause Rhaenyra was made heir, it basically made her think she can do whatever she wants. While I think it also at Daemon fault to advising her to sleep around, it basically inflate Rhaenyra to do what she likes by sleeping with other men even when she married. Marrying Laenor who was gay enhance Rhaenyra to sleep with Harwin despite how hard she tried sleeping with Laenor. Don’t get me wrong, while I support Rhaenyra as being heir and Queen, she did made bad choices that she shouldn’t do. Anyways Viserys should’ve know that the realm wouldn’t accept her with Aegon. Heck even Rhaenys knew this beforehand but Rhaenyra didn’t understand that well. Honestly, Viserys set Rhaenyra up for failure the moment he remarry

Honestly I feel he felt for Rhaenyra bc sexist ideals of their people. He saw how it upset and messed her up as a teen and was in a way like fuck it she is blood of the dragon let her live regardless her children should and would have ruled

@@sierrahtrigg86 Rhaenyra's reputation as a harlot and her bastards were the biggest reason why people never would've accepted her rule. He should've disinherited her after the whole pleasure house debacle and be done with it; it would've kept the dragons and his house alive for at least a generation or two longer..

And her reaction at 3:39 indicates a Targaryen will always be a Targaryen.

I'm pretty sure house sunglass is westerosi and not valyrian house celtigar on the other hand yeah that's definitely an oversight

​​@@chickenusgoddus464 It's disappointing to have forgotten them; Celtigar, Qoherys & Baratheon are the other Valyrian families- House Qoherys died out before Targaryen rule was a century old. The Baratheons & the Celtigars seemed to have slipped into fitting into Westerosi culture, partially because they held less Valyrian features- whereas the Targaryens (their later Blackfyre branch) & Velaryons maintained traditional Valyrian colouring, thus keeping them forever removed to some degree from the rest....

@@OcarinaSapphr- I do recall house qoherys poor guys didn't deserve to suffer a lord like the guest , I literally mentioned house celtigar as valyrian and as for house baratheon they barely count orys is never outright said to have been aegons brother (I get that it's consensus that he is but this is gurm so who knows) 1 velaryon and 1 Targaryen marriage that I remember don't really make a house valyrian As for a house you forgot would be house longwaters a velaryon and Targaryen bastard cadet house (from alyn velaryon and from some targ princess I forgot)

@@chickenusgoddus464 Even if he _isn't_ a Targaryen bastard by origin, I believe it's pretty established the Baratheons are still Valyrian by heritage. Yes, you did mention Celtigar- I was just reiterating it in my own list. Aerion Targaryen left Valyria with his _wives_ (plural, so it can be assumed he was a dragon rider), 5 dragons, & *supporters* - clearly lesser Valyrian houses that were adherents of his. We don't know what the Valyrian customs surrounding bastardy were before the Conquest- they may well have had no concept of it (not entirely impossible- the wildlings don't (First Men in origin, but still- there's no reference to Northern bastards before Brandon Snow, so it may well have been an Andal custom in origin), nor do many of the cultures of the Free Cities (which also descend from the Valyrian Freehold)), & they allowed polygamy & practiced incest when it came to dragonlords (of which the Targaryens were the last in existence) so clearly, there's a divergence of custom - the show has given a little insight into some Valyrian customs (though whether the writers got that marriage custom direct from GRRM, or purely made it up themselves, is unclear) And I did indeed forget about Longwaters (much easier to forget than Blackfyre, you'll agree), thank you for reminding me...

Lets be fr...does anyone give a shit about the Celtigars? They're such a minor house that the Targaryens rarely even acknowledge they exist 😂