Honestly I feel like "this game is shit it's a nightmare don't touch it" is a part of what attracts a large number of players at this point

I believe things like Kill Participation, Objective Damage and Damage should be taken more into consideration than KDA or CS scores because CS and KDA are useless to the team if you don't convert that gold into teamfight wins, objectives and ultimately the win. The trick is to be a better player individually and to the team, not a selfish isolated player who only cares about their personal stats without any worry for the team's fate! I believe the system should give players the mentality that every game matters and that they will be rewarded for trying to win instead of just ff at 15!

Honestly I'm looking forward to this. Im tired of coin flipping games based on how many trolls each team gets is how you determine rating.

I say while a win/loss should correlate to gaining/losing rank, the amount determined should be based upon your individual performance, which should be improved. Its not fair that someone gains 20lp for winning while going 2-12 on a regular basis. This tells me that they are getting carried by their team rather than playing at their supposed rank.

well they sure didnt fix it yet, im getting -29 +17 with a 54% wr all over the season

What if instead of this effecting LP, they use in game performance to pair like players in ranked? If you play well and still lose, the algorithm will start to pair you with lobbies of other high performing players in your rank, therefore avoiding being consistently paired with trolls/poor performing players, but also not awarding LP for a loss? Just a thought

I would like if riot released a temporary 2nd server for NA or some other server to give it a feel so it doesn't impact the live servers, but is able to be tested by high and low level players alike to see whether or not it can accurately give players a rank they deserve. This wouldnt be the final decision, just a test

The craziest part about all of this is that riot has had the rating system for individual play for years. So why has it taken this long to implement skill-based gains and losses? If you get a s in a game you lose 5 LP if you get a d you lose 25. Should be simple. Saying it as their rating system is based on CS, gold, damage, healing, etc

They should just get the Rank system they have in Wildrift, I always thought that not losing points because you are consistently playing well from previous games is good and makes climbing satisfying because you get games where there are blatant trolls or all lanes lost except yours, but you weren't able to carry because there are 3 or 4 Fed members on the other side.

Kinda wild that League of Legends uses a chess website's matchmaking program based purely on match outcome (more or less)... No wonder that god damn game was so frustrating, and no wonder everyone has always wanted to play selfishly! No wonder supports and junglers were always so hard to rank up as! I'm honestly stunned at the disconnect between the game designers (which have some wonderful ideas) and whoever decides how matchmaking works. This singular fact is more clarifying than maybe anything I've ever learned about League of Legends.

A player that goes 0/10 or simply trolls should loose a lot more LP than a player who is doing a good job and is trying carry his inting team mates. If people were more held accountable for trolling and if people were less penalized for their good perfomances on loosing teams the game would be much more enjoyable. I have been playing this game for 10 years and I have been diamond many times, It feels like it has become a lot more common for players to troll or feed with no repercussions when compared to older times. Now everytime I go and play there is someone who is tilted out of their mind and starts trolling or inting on either team, that just makes me not wanna touch the game for another week and then the cicle just keeps repeating itself. Obviously kda should not be the only indicator on if a player played well, i'm sure they have enough data to come up with good metrics

I actually like the system they have in valorant. Getting a performance boost for performing well against higher ranked players is pretty great. Since I only casually play the game I often am only a gold rank player being matched together with platinum and diamond players which pretty much always gives me a performance boost even if I don't have a positive kda

The fact MMR and Rank are two different numbers is part of the issue Don’t have a rank or at least show MMR and make rank be relative to that. That was you can actually see which team is favoured based on that and have a rough idea of LP gains and losses

I really hope they do it soon, the amount of elo inflated players in Emerald is UNREAL. Players who have been hardstuck gold/silver for multiple seasons, never once making it to plat, SUDDENLY get to EMERALD lobbies? Emerald is suddenly a coinflip of which team has less inflated players and it's simply not fun to win/lose because 2-3 people died 15 times in one game.

Exactly, having lots of kills and almost no deaths while trying to win the game is in almost every scenario possible better than having few kills, lots of deaths and trying to end the game

Riot again creates an illusion of fixing something that doesnt need fixing.

I'm open to a new system as we've had this same broken system for far too long. What bothers me the most is that they're waiting until later on into the year to implement it. So basically we're getting a shitty system for the first half (or more) and then a new system? That seems like a terrible experience in ranked as it's basically a new ranking season when you implement a new system.

all I want is when my top laner goes 0/10/0 for me to just lose like 5-10 lp instead of 25 or if someone goes afk at 15 min

I have a question Doesn't that mean the low level or new players are forced to stay with the trolls? I m all for a punishment/ filter but i m curious how things will turn out.

Wild rift has a form of implementing loss prevention based on how you do per match. It takes into account what you did during the game. It then puts the points into a loss prevention shield. It cost 400 points and you passively get this in ranked. You can collect up to 3 shields. This has really helped out because most of the times if I tried my damn hardest to carry a 0/15 adc well they will take the loss and I will loose one shield but depending on my performance in the game... it will also add on to my allocated points for another shield. Idk this system works in a way. However.... the direction riot is headed with all the new characters in league... make me just finally hang up the towel. I saw faker lift up his fourth trophy and I think that it's time to close the book on this game once and for all.

League ranked can be saved the moment I stop getting -25 LP and +18 LP (62% WR) at my highest rank ever achieved. It's disgusting to play better and get punished for it.

I take a 3-0 adc and a support who perma splitpush bot and takes inhibitor everyday of the week rather than a loser that happens to have a good mmr cause his teams won their games and now they are placed on a rank they don't deserve. I climbed from silver 4 to gold 2 with zed jg in 200 games and the only reason it didnt happen sooner is because of teamates solo losing the lane and the entire game. If the truskill 2 ranking system gets implimented it will basically save the game.

The fact he didnt say gold income out of all the things they can measure for skill after using the baus as an example is so funny to me lol

A match ranking system more based off of KDA would be a god send. Finally putting feeders and inters who dont know how to not throw the game into the place they belong.

Why not make it a fixed point for loss/win per game, and a shield that could prevent points loss like in wild rift.

still I'm in a -30 +20 state

as fro a start i think they should not allow Smurfs in low elo by them making new accounts/buying ones

they didnt put it in into live servers.

NGL if this is truly as good as it is, getting back into ranked might be fun again

+24 for a win , -29 for a loss.. Yep, fixed.

As a singed main id be interested in seeing how this works. I have games where ive gone 5/12/20 but have 350 cs and 4 of my deaths were executes early and the game gives me an S probably because of 8.5cs/M and high damage.

Its going to sound crazy but I think the best way to improve ranked is to remove the idea that a loss will result in a loss in LP. Using this data I don't find it impossible to compare your contributions to the game against the poorest performer as well as the expected results for a game of the current rank to grant those who lose but perform well to still end the game with a small amount of LP instead of always losing LP (you can still lose LP if you under perform and lose). After playing the game since season 2 and seeing it evolve, the one thing that remains the same is that if the game starts to go south players lose momentum to try their best pretty rapidly, leading to toxicity. Giving even a slight chance to actually gain LP on loss because you play precisely how your rank was supposed to play (and even more against people better than you) should still be rewarded even if a loss occurs.

I just don't get why they don't use the Elo system all together? Wouldn't that be like 10x more easy and accurate?

My interpretation of this video Riot: we are gonna try to add SBMM in rank League 50% player base: yes 50% player base: no

This is light-years better. You can't sit there and say this is more toxic than people queuing up on troll accounts just to throw. There are literally people who make accounts to piss people off by doing this. At least with this method it will protect people who actually try.

I do hate it when I play a game and lose even though my KDA was like 10/0/8 but my top is like 1/24/9. Like dafuq.

I think pure win loss is fine. Just have a set number. Focus on banning boosters/ cheaters instead.

Never played ranked, started yesterday and I'm gaining +15 -40 and I'm stuck Gold 1 and can't climb because I need to win 3 games for every 1 loss. I'm just stuck stationary losing to smurf accounts or playing with toaster level IQ teammates every other games.

Except you cannot determine individual performance in a 5v5 team game. A fiddlestick for example might have a large number of death due to engaging with a low HP pool, same with a support. KDA doesn't mean shit. It sounds like the end of LoL, with even more individualistic gameplay to come.

Nothing is fixed. 60% win rate here, +20 -21, kinda feels pointless to play

New and actually better ranked changes from Riot. Something Respawn could never 💀

Also i quit regular play for aram, but now im thinking aram is rigged too bc its legit the same 50champs when they have 160+. Should give you 3options every aram match.

no its not i just got minus 43 LP in iron without any penaltys wtf is that

Hey that's my tweet neat

How could having more ways to get an accurate assessment of your skill be a bad thing? Even if they do use the new rating system Riot would adjust it to their liking... Winning games doesnt define your skill level, I've won a bunch in arena but im getting carried in it....

Yes no the lp is exactly the same they trolled all of us

I really cant wait for changes. Ppl that smurf tend to be my issue. They should be flagged and seen they clearly can play at a higher lvl so placed much higher to combat smurfs

to be fair, back in the old days of garena, i had 55% win rate but for some reason i earn about 10-15 points per win even on a win streak, where as i lose 19-24 points was kinda saying a lot about current points distribution system

Uh, the system already looks into extra metrics which is why elo hell exists. The system does not need to look into extra trash. It should give you LP based on whether or not you are winning. That's it. They can use a few extra metrics to decrease/increase LP but anything else is just extra unneeded filth and no, I'm not some hardstuck idiot I've just seen the experiences of many others who have also stated the same thing, made new accounts to get out of the elo they were stuck in, etc.

It legit dont fucking need rocket science is just dont put the elo to lose more than u earn isnt hard wtf

still getting -32/+15

So, my 55-69% win rate counts?

didn't dota already do this? what took them so long -_-

Great! Also: Punish smurf accounts.

the last part is so true, people will claim that everyone will be KDA hungry but almost all already are lol, and if even if you are not it its damn hard to just play by KDA like have you even played league?

Just adapt Wild Rift or Mobile Legends Bang Bang ; Rank System, it's easier to manage

theScore doesn't really have a horrible track record of misinformation, but this video is just full of it. Y'all said that Riot fixed League but the game is still available for download.

when you have a job and only plays 2 match per 2days and only gained 3lp... Like 1st win 28lp 2nd match loss -25😂

only people mad about KDA being taken into account go 0/10 every game and play with a booster. having KDA being taken into account encourages making smarter plays. and obviously the players that just walk away from every fight even if winnable still won’t gain LP because they won’t be getting kills or assists to help their kda. and will likely lose games anyways as team fights will be in favor of whoever has more players stay to fight.

Its not fixed. They ruined it. Lp massive gains made terrible players get to emerald and thats how the gatekeeping begins

Still wont change the large number of smurf / griefers in the game lol

will this carry over to Valorant?

Trueskill 2 is already implemented in Halo Infinite and one of the hallmarks of the system is that when it thinks your current rank is where you need to be you start to lose more skill rating on a loss and gain less for a win. And will start to give you tougher opponents and crappy teammates to see if you can overcome its prediction only then will you start to rank up. Also since its focused on K/D/A as a metric even if you lose the game as long as your stats are good you wont lose as much SR which leads to wins and losses not mattering as much as your own stats. I like Overwatch system where its based on wins and losses no matter how good you do personally.

Hopefully it isn't as bad as the mastery ratings you get. So many times I have seen the 19/1/6 player with 120cs get an A+ while the 0/4/2 player with 350cs gets an S.

"League og legends ranked are saved" Wanna see it before i believe it... God video😃👍

terrible kda 10-10? dude you should see my teammates scores... 0-15 the best one

Why not just go back to elo man... I remember when there was ELO shit was dope.

its gonna be a disaster for me

Eveeyone in the comments focus way too much on kills. The amount of kills to deaths is not the only indicator of skill, and id go so far as to say its not even one of the most important ones. There are many more importsnt factors than just kda

I just want a hard reset every season

Sounds like a good system, coming from a dota player.

I think they desperately have to fix the bugged matchmaking first. Rn it creates games of full diamond teams against full platins, like 6 or 7 ranked divisions apart. Or silvers vs platinums and these bugged games also happen in unranked so its not exclusively an elo thing but probably a bug in the matchmaking.

Yeah, not like there's a shutdown system or anything that has incentivized playing for KDA for over a decade... oh wait.

"Riot are.." Riot is ONE business. ONE company. Please stop saying shit like T1 are going for the nexus or Riot are looking to implement TrueSkill 2. T1 is ONE team. RIOT is ONE company. Not multiple teams or companies. Why are (correct time to use "are". Take notes.) league commentators fucking this up time and time again? Using "are" doesnt make you sound smarter. Quite frankly it does the opposite. Normalize using "is" and "are" correctly. Literally. P.S. Correctly using the word "literally" is another convo to be had.

I think if you lose, but still demonstrated a high skill level, you shouldn't lose any points at all, because you still demonstrated that you're really good at the game. Good players shouldn't get punished for their teammates just rolling their faces on the keyboard

No they didn't.

See u in few months

Okay now do it for valorant

I've said for donkeys years that Halo 3 had one of the best ranked system ever built from the purpose of climbing and feeling like progress is made. Sure there are ways to abuse the old H3 system but it's been so long, if it's even close to that without the ability to boost as easily or at all, like in H3, then it'll feel amazing to play.

Ah, so now we know what’s happening in EUW

I hope this is applied to TFT as well

The last part is exaclty right lol

*dev states that no work towards implemeting TrueSkill 2 has been done* theScore: SO HERE IS LEAGUE'S NEW RANKING SYSTEM.

People have no idea what they are asking for because they react solely on EMOTION. THIS IS NOT VALORANT OR CSGO. League has so many factors that go into the game that allows someone to win. Sometimes you’re strong side, sometimes you’re weak side. Sometimes you’re camped, your character is an early or late game, but still play better. There’s so much shit that happens in league whereas valorant or some shit just is you clicking heads. Obviously until you get into higher ranks. People just can’t see how much thought process goes into playing league and then want shit in it that won’t work how it does in those games because the core gameplay is just different. Same reason people cry about valorant having voice chat and league does not. I can’t sit in league voice chat and explain to someone how I know jungler is somewhere and why we should get an objective, because I’m using information that WE all can see. People would just argue and ego. Whereas valorant you’re giving information that people most likely can’t see (damage you did, a person or 2 on site from a jiggle, etc). Just different concepts and way more information in one game.

I’m all for these changes, whatever makes these boosted animals or moronic trolls play better. It is ridiculous, how high elo is gate-kept and all because you have these egotistical players who are hardstuck Emerald or hardstuck Diamond and trolling Platinum games. This season I hit Platinum1 with only 90 games, but whenever I was close to hitting Emerald4 I would get trolled in one or two games and that is one reason why I stopped playing for the past two months. It is frustrating that you have to sweat in every game or else someone on your team will make some bronze ass play and throw the game. I’ve stomped Diamond players before, so it makes zero sense as to why I’m stuck in Platinum. There are streamers who even admit to throwing games or streaming their games while throwing, what’s the point of people playing a game, when all people do is throw because they suck ass at this game?!?!?

You’re telling me there is an employee at Riot with the name BarackProbama? I can almost guarantee they would never allow any sort of name that is in favor of Trump lol

no fucking shot there adding true skill from halo wars, the nostalgia is real

I'll take pretty much anything over being silver ranked playing against diamonds/plats in both normal and ranked games, yeah my winrate is higher than 50%, but I shouldn't need to lose 150 games in a row to get back to the "desired" 50/50 win rate that the current system really really wants me to be. If I am silver, keep me in silver and play against silvers, if I am plat, put in me in plat and play against plat, it really isn't that hard.

Thats why I only play Tft. No one can troll my game. I never tilted in any games so hard as playing lol and mainly because of team mates and honestly not playing it for years with an occasional aram is just good for my mental health.

they're going to fuck it up

Who cares? Impossible to promote because riot does nothing about players that are using hacks and cheats for scripting. 20% win rate suddenly ends up 60 kills 0 death 100 assists. Impossible this is pay to win. If you dont donate they match you with their propaganda users that are using hacks and cheats for scripting. Total propaganda game.

Give Filipino Champ his own vid, he deserves it!!

"The only thing rank should reflect is your ability to win games, not some arbitrart system designed to make you feel good" My dude, competitive ranking is an arbitrary system designed to make you feel good and reflect one's ability to win games. Feeling good about yourself is by nature the point of competition

I have a better idea for ranked. Win = you gain a point, lose = you lose a point. You get matched with people in the same rank. Why make it so complicated with a thousand factors which can be abused/cheated/mislead? You win some, you lose some. Yes, it's frustrating if you lose due to a troll, but in the long run you should win more if you perform above average. With you, your team has 4 "potential" trolls and the enemy team has 5.

The one thing I hate the most is the fact that it uses Normal games for MMR in ranking games. And it uses the ALL the history of games for that. Which incentivizes people smurfing to get better MMR and ghost numbers. A simple change of NOT using normal games and actually resetting the thing on seasons would be better, and break the need for smurfs.

I legit just want a ranked system by Valorant. Valorants ranked system is miles better than League

I really hope they actually weigh what a player does for the team to determine there skill I can't tell you how many times I sac'd myself to win a team fight getting a good engage or stealing objectives away when we had no business being there. Also feels bad when you are slamming the game but you got 4 team mates inting there butts off but you lose LP because they aren't playing well. This is why JG is the most hated role in league because if your lanes don't help with your engages or they feed so fast that they lost the lane before 5 mins you feel like complete shit and no matter how good you play your the one being punished for the loss other roles such as support also have this same kind of issue. Also the whole KDA thing its not about well people will just go for high kills and no deaths its that a player won't take risks or if they think you can't win they simply won't do anything and try to minimize and save there KDA then in a team game you got no shot in winning watch already happens and if it went to a KDA system it would get much worse.

The only issue that comes up with KDA is that it would result in a few factors. 1) someone attempting to tank their fellow player's KDA to make them lose more LP 2) players surrendering games faster to preserve LP loss or surrendering winnable games 3) teammates avoiding conflict and combat, letting teammates die, etc, all to preserve their LP. Nothing good comes of KDA unless it's a 1 way or another thing. As in "he has tons of kills compared to everyone in the game, give more LP" or "he has almost no kills/ assists, and has contributed to the most deaths in the game by a long shot, make him lose more LP"

LOL ROFLMAO, this channel are blatantly LOL enjoyers.

Everyone here can say whatever they want, but my favorite ranked experience ever has been Halo Infinite. So count me as excited. Also y’all have forgotten that League is a game lmfao. The point of a ranked system is to experience progression as encouragement for self improvement. Stop tying any of your personal worth to your digital metal badge and maybe you’ll actually improve and won’t be upset when you think the value of that badge is threatened.