How To Add Bottle Cage Mounts To A Bike Frame

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RJ The Bike Guy

RJ The Bike Guy

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I show how to add bottle cage mounts to a bike frame that doesn't have braze-ons or other mountings. Such as vintage bicycles or maybe a bike that only has mounts for one bottle cage, but you want to add a second bottle cage. This is done by drilling the frame and installing rivnuts (rivet nuts). This is for steel or aluminum frames. Do not do this on a carbon fiber frame. You assume all responsibility and risk if you choose to do this. If your frame is steel, use steel rivnuts, and if your frame is aluminum, use aluminum rivnuts.
The rivnut's should be M5. But they come in different lengths. You need to look at the "grip range". That is the thickness that it will clamp on to. The thickness of the frame tube needs to be in the grip range.
By the way, you may want to overhaul the bottom bracket after doing this to clean out any metal debris that maybe have fallen down there. Unless you have a sealed cartridge BB, then you don't need to worry.
Only try this on the MAIN TUBES (down tube, seat tube, top tube). Do not try this on forks or stays. Those tubes are smaller diameter and drilling a hole in them is a much larger percentage of the diameter. And forks are under much more stress. And if a fork fails, it tends to fail catastrophically potentially causing serious injury.
A better solution for forks is something like these:
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@RJTheBikeGuy
@RJTheBikeGuy 5 жыл бұрын
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@Thrashaero
@Thrashaero 3 жыл бұрын
is m5 x 0.8 the standard threading for frame bolt holes in general?
@RJTheBikeGuy
@RJTheBikeGuy 3 жыл бұрын
@@Thrashaero Shrug. There are lots of different frames with different bolt holes.
@kengrubb
@kengrubb 3 жыл бұрын
@@RJTheBikeGuy you are correct sir. My 1986 Giant made Schwinn World has M5 for the bottle cages, but M6 for the fender/rack bolt holes. There's only one hole on the rear triangle, each side, so I use an M6 with the fender stay outside/rack stay inside. I did have to drill out and enlarge the fender stay holes to get the M6 bolt in.
@thisishowiedewitt76
@thisishowiedewitt76 2 жыл бұрын
Why aluminum rivnuts and not zinc plated steel rivnuts in a steel frame?
@nebulous962
@nebulous962 2 ай бұрын
I prefer to just buy adapter's from china. That way I don't risk the structural integrity of the frame. The adapter's basically just is ring shaped thing with m5 threads. It is very simple. Even I could make them with 3d printer.
@koyapol
@koyapol 2 жыл бұрын
8 years later and this video is still useful. Thanks for sharing sir
@classydays43
@classydays43 4 жыл бұрын
Now I can put bottle cage mounts everywhere. There's no limit now Seat tube? Bottle cage Forks? Bottle cage Handlebar? Bottle cage Crank? You better believe there'll be a bottle cage Need pannier screw holes? It's the same thread Pannier? Bottle cage there, too Bottle cage? You guessed it... bottle cage!
@RJTheBikeGuy
@RJTheBikeGuy 4 жыл бұрын
Stick to the main tubes.
@rhitrix
@rhitrix 3 жыл бұрын
Why limit yourself to just bikes? Exterior car door. Mailbox swivel door. Drop ceiling framing. Limitless possibilities.
@classydays43
@classydays43 3 жыл бұрын
@@rhitrix sanitiser bottle stands aren't complete without a bottle cage
@duckacid
@duckacid 3 жыл бұрын
@@classydays43 Thanks for the good laugh.
@s34nvideos
@s34nvideos 3 жыл бұрын
I really like the bottle cage on the crank idea, they can double as suspension pedals
@Clevelanddrummer1
@Clevelanddrummer1 3 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to thank you for making this (and every other) video. I followed all of your instructions and it worked perfectly! Because of your videos, I think I actually might love working on bikes more than I like riding! Take care!
@pankajmistry4600
@pankajmistry4600 3 жыл бұрын
You have knowledge from the old country. Great stuff 👌🏽
@johndoes2434
@johndoes2434 4 жыл бұрын
Very informative straight-to-the-point no crud and no extra commentary
@leemundoMadDog
@leemundoMadDog 2 жыл бұрын
As always RJ, love your work. Thank you. You're my go too guy whenever I'm trying too figure out anything on my bike, all of them! I have 2 race bikes, a "beater" commuter, and a Touring Bike, and yr advice has covered all of them at some point, sometimes multiple times! And crossing over too, I'm looking at turning my low end race bike into a bikepacking bike, adding racks, and this video was gold. Again, thanks mate 😎👍
@calcagnolibero
@calcagnolibero 4 жыл бұрын
Very useful and well done, I like especially the home made rivets tool
@lifelong5425
@lifelong5425 6 жыл бұрын
Fantastic.....seeing and hearing the methods used make such a difference
@rickorider
@rickorider Жыл бұрын
This is great idea to add extra mounts for battery if converting bike to an ebike. I fitted a Bafang mid drive motor to my Marin mounting bike and need to add 2 extra mounts for battery. This worked brilliant. Thankyou RJ. Top bike guy!
@leoleonor7774
@leoleonor7774 6 жыл бұрын
Hope has come at last. Thank you RJ for this video. This is the answer to my bottle cageless roadbike. Thumbs up!
@pdbike43
@pdbike43 3 жыл бұрын
Timeless valuable know-how. RJ!!
@Pterocarpous
@Pterocarpous 8 жыл бұрын
Excellent! I was wondering how to add braze-ons to a frame. Thank you for sharing this.
@larrygood6764
@larrygood6764 5 жыл бұрын
I was skeptical at first, but you have a new subscriber here. Excellent video and instruction, thank you RJ.
@Chris-13
@Chris-13 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to do your videos, they are the most useful on you tube👍
@jefferywilkinson509
@jefferywilkinson509 9 жыл бұрын
You make such informative videos,I like the way you explain in an easy to understand way. Thank you
@JonPrevost
@JonPrevost 4 жыл бұрын
You haven't given me any new information in this video BUT you do a much better job than I describing the process. Something about your voice and process makes me feel like a child learning. I can't put my finger on it and I don't have to, maybe it was the "kicks and giggles" expression. Just know that these types of videos are worth so much more than you are likely getting paid... and I'll keep trying to compensate by giving you praise and thanks.
@jorgemancuso1315
@jorgemancuso1315 5 жыл бұрын
The screw trick is really clever.learned something useful,thanks!
@the_blair_bike_project
@the_blair_bike_project 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing. The braise ons on my son's Trek frame started spinning I had to drill it out. Now i have a possible solution. Thank you so much. Your channel has given me more information, more great advice than any other, honestly!
@devscave403
@devscave403 2 жыл бұрын
Was this a solution? Did it work?
@MrGlennhumphreys
@MrGlennhumphreys 9 жыл бұрын
excellent video, great to watch as ever
@BernardManansala
@BernardManansala 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. I just did this on my chromoly frame, worked like a charm.
@user-ye4te7gz1s
@user-ye4te7gz1s Жыл бұрын
Thank you, love the tool tip. Worked a treat to replace mounts for a rear rack.
@TheForever1990
@TheForever1990 Жыл бұрын
Easy cleanup , came as described fast. Great product
@ViveSemelBeneVivere
@ViveSemelBeneVivere 2 жыл бұрын
Exellent installation tutorial thanks! I was looking for this to install a second bottle cage on the seat tube of a commuter/adventure/gravel bike.
@byfunkyoid2917
@byfunkyoid2917 5 жыл бұрын
Love the little tool, great video.
@Chris-13
@Chris-13 4 жыл бұрын
Love your videos , so talented please keep them coming 👍👍
@app6336
@app6336 10 ай бұрын
Man! I've already watched couple of your videos and I've become your big fan! New video - for me of course [apart from it is 8 y.o.] and you amaze me once again. The simplicity and accuracy of your advices is stunning. Love it! Thank you RJ very much for your educative content! You've tought me a lot!
@MasterIvo
@MasterIvo 4 жыл бұрын
Perfect! just what I needed. Now I know I need to outsource it :)
@aidenf2708
@aidenf2708 7 жыл бұрын
This is a really helpful video! Thanks!!!
@philipphacker8790
@philipphacker8790 4 жыл бұрын
I second all the successful home bike mechanics in the comments. It took me just as long as this video to mount 2 bottle cages just the way you showed. Marvellous! @RJ The Bike Guy
@loridonovan1714
@loridonovan1714 3 жыл бұрын
This was great, thank you. Especially the homemade rivnut tool, and you tell all the sizes of accessories needed, drill bits, the M5, using painters tape to protect finish, etc. I need to attach an ebike battery to my downtube, and the water bottle mounts do not line up with the holes in the bracket, as my frame size is small, and the ebike battery bracket is designed for larger frame bikes. But, putting in a couple new rivnuts should solve the problem as I do have enough room for the bracket and clearance to unhinge the battery from the bracket. Thank you!!
@Corfine
@Corfine 8 жыл бұрын
man you are the bicycle king you know everything about bicycles. weather cold in Ireland not hot like USA hot weather sometimes one month no need drink bottles
@caroflage6260
@caroflage6260 2 жыл бұрын
That bolt trick is pretty handy, thanks for this one😉
@ddream777
@ddream777 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank you from Beijing!
@brucieboy0
@brucieboy0 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Have been wondering if this was possible! Now gonna do it tomorrow!
@kentlewan
@kentlewan 8 жыл бұрын
excellent video! keep making more! Thanks Bike Guy.
@dfiglide
@dfiglide 9 жыл бұрын
Excellent video RJ.Thanks very much for your time and effort. I`m currently about to start a refurb on an old Peugeot UE-8, tracking down the parts is the problem.
@bendekker6552
@bendekker6552 6 жыл бұрын
Who dislikes a video like this? Thanks RJ! I might try this on an old steel frame I like to ride.
@Hertog_von_Berkshire
@Hertog_von_Berkshire 2 жыл бұрын
RJ, thanks for this. It's a job I need to do in the near future.
@butzodaddy
@butzodaddy Жыл бұрын
I have the same green Raleigh GP, mine's a 1976. Original owner and I still love it. Will be doing this mod soon.
@willperezmusic
@willperezmusic 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, it's really helped! Thanks!
@poly_hexamethyl
@poly_hexamethyl 2 жыл бұрын
10:26 After drilling the holes, before mounting the rivnuts, I used a large (1/2") drill bit turned a few times by hand to deburr the edges of the hole, otherwise the rivnut didn't look like it was seating closely against the tube. Also, if you have open crank bearings be careful that the metal chips from the drilling don't fall down into the bottom bracket and end up in your bearings. (Crunch, crunch... :-) I took the opportunity to overhaul my bottom bracket and had the crankshaft/bearings removed when I drilled the holes.
@samteks125
@samteks125 Жыл бұрын
Two very good points I noticed as well! I also removed the BB even though it was a seales cartridge when sawzalling through a stuck seatpost, but then again that produced a LOT more debris that two holes in the frame
@glennrosen2021
@glennrosen2021 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much ....used this to help mount a battery to a mountain bike...RIVNUTS are the trick as well as your simple homemade crimping tool
@MHH3180
@MHH3180 4 жыл бұрын
The deal with using a bolt instead of an expensive tool is simply genius. I find myself laughing out loud at myself for not coming up with this perfect solution..
@samtatge8299
@samtatge8299 Жыл бұрын
Oh man the green paint is beautiful
@rollsandthepajakeroz5
@rollsandthepajakeroz5 2 жыл бұрын
Nice work sir...
@billd6565
@billd6565 4 жыл бұрын
Didn’t know these rivet nuts existed. Much easier than brazing on bottle mounts. Gonna be a big upgrade for my 1974 Raleigh
@TheReal1953
@TheReal1953 4 жыл бұрын
Like he said, DO NOT do this on anything like Reynolds 753 frames on Raleigh's or thin aluminum frames. Personally, I can't bring myself to do this on vintage Raleigh's of the Competition GS level or better.
@CycleOmania
@CycleOmania 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I may have to do this in the future. I already had someone ask me to make sure his next bike has 2 cage holders. If not, he wanted a way to add one!
@michaeldibb
@michaeldibb 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, it really helped me.
@filiperamosfernandes
@filiperamosfernandes Жыл бұрын
Good explanation, thank you!
@kiru2ki
@kiru2ki 3 жыл бұрын
Nice Technique, you are an ecperienced guy. Thanks for the video.
@theycallmedaly
@theycallmedaly 8 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Thanks.
@CommishsPlace
@CommishsPlace 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial that helped me install a battery for my ebike. Thanks!
@SirQuacksalotthe1st
@SirQuacksalotthe1st Ай бұрын
Exactly why I'm here did it last ? And hold it well?
@paddypete1
@paddypete1 7 жыл бұрын
great video,i will be adding some to my frame
@nileshboth
@nileshboth 6 жыл бұрын
I thank you sir! Because of you, I just saved 60 dollars !
@raymondchew8894
@raymondchew8894 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video and very helpful to install water bottle. As some bicycle put bottle location in unwanted location. It also helpful when you carry out repair stripped thread.
@waveydaveydiver
@waveydaveydiver Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! Just what I wanted to know so I can upgrade my MTB and add some mounts to the down tube up from the bottom bracket
@ez-crypto
@ez-crypto 3 жыл бұрын
You're a genius RJ. I wish I had viewed your video before doing my own rivnut. I bought a pricey tool (60 euros) but the rivnut are not straight because I did not proceed like you with th sheet of paper to center and I only had a normal drill so I could not drill perpendicular.
@JirolBikes
@JirolBikes 7 жыл бұрын
Very helpful thanks rj!
@danielhardy1262
@danielhardy1262 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks.
@lamottalmj
@lamottalmj 8 жыл бұрын
That was a great video I want to add a bottle to my seat post.......now I know how to do it. Bad part is I just overhauled my BB 2 days after Christmas.
@jhenry248
@jhenry248 8 жыл бұрын
Excellent tip as always, I just converted my 12 speed into a fixed gear and I was wondering how I was going to go about installing water bottle on the down tube. Even contemplated on drilling holes and brazing on small nuts as bosses for the bottle frame to mount on.
@fernand0167
@fernand0167 9 жыл бұрын
Good videos. Subscribed!
@azizhachimi8744
@azizhachimi8744 7 жыл бұрын
Graet job! Bravo!
@dandeangeli9860
@dandeangeli9860 2 жыл бұрын
super helpful thanks
@kalijasin
@kalijasin Жыл бұрын
Thank you RJ. 🙂
@CrazedCorgi
@CrazedCorgi Жыл бұрын
thanks, finally getting to fixing my mount issue.
@polthedestroyer
@polthedestroyer 3 ай бұрын
A lot of help when you want to use modern bags that use frame bosses on older frames!
@havefunandbikestuff
@havefunandbikestuff 7 жыл бұрын
very cool r.j. enjoyed the video and thumbed up
@jeremielewis2196
@jeremielewis2196 6 жыл бұрын
Nice video thanks!
@fitodaking16
@fitodaking16 8 жыл бұрын
very good and impressive
@sugashack74
@sugashack74 2 жыл бұрын
You sir 7 years later are still the king. I'm about to do this to my daughter's hybrid bike that doesn't have a water cage. Please let me know where I can get these rivets
@littlemanhuerta4442
@littlemanhuerta4442 6 жыл бұрын
Working on a show bike your videos is helpful
@lukaszp.3134
@lukaszp.3134 2 жыл бұрын
Real master!
@chaleowin7732
@chaleowin7732 2 жыл бұрын
Hello from 2021, this video is still very helpful.
@MiggyManMike
@MiggyManMike 9 жыл бұрын
That could be one of the only times galvanic corrosion is useful :p
@joeh690
@joeh690 7 жыл бұрын
interesting because once my mounts we destroyed I thought my bottle cage would never fit on my bike anymore. you seem to have an answer for everything bike related!
@SorieKondi
@SorieKondi 6 жыл бұрын
awesome videos as always RJ, picking up an EBIKE and it has zero braze-ons go figure. thanks for the demo
@victorcenac1247
@victorcenac1247 8 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@Free_Ranger_CT110
@Free_Ranger_CT110 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video RJ. I have an old Apollo without cage mounts, I'd fitted clamp on mounts but it looked awful. Watching this has given me the confidence to drill holes in my bike! Using the bolt & nut to install is a great idea, I'd wondered how I was gonna get the huge arms of the installation tool inside the frame triangle.
@cloystreng
@cloystreng 4 жыл бұрын
What model Apollo do you have? I have an '81 Prestige and it too is missing cage mounts. I've gone with the clamp method but am considering drilling.
@Free_Ranger_CT110
@Free_Ranger_CT110 4 жыл бұрын
@@cloystreng I have 3 Apollos, the one without cage mounts is an Apollo I, not sure of the year, early eighties maybe, with metal head badge.
@plizotte2003
@plizotte2003 5 жыл бұрын
very good way to install bottle battery
@kevinsmath3086
@kevinsmath3086 8 жыл бұрын
Thank u for the info
@brentbenedict3529
@brentbenedict3529 3 жыл бұрын
nice one!!! thank you...
@chacho2263
@chacho2263 3 жыл бұрын
Super Smart. Tnak You.
@broccoli5408
@broccoli5408 2 жыл бұрын
I notice you have raised veins. I have them too. Your videos are excellent.
@roncooke2188
@roncooke2188 2 жыл бұрын
I always step up in drill sizes thanks
@pawel8365
@pawel8365 Жыл бұрын
This was way simpler than I thought
@markholm7050
@markholm7050 8 жыл бұрын
I think I'd put some silicone caulk or some varnish on the rivnut before installing it. Won't prevent metal to metal contact, but will keep water out, much reducing the risk of corrosion.. Grease on the screws, too, for the same reason. I use loctite on screws for braze-on mounts, but for riv nuts, this would risk spinning the rivnut.
@bennettlee6218
@bennettlee6218 Жыл бұрын
Thanks R. J.
@Juramentu
@Juramentu 5 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@christianarcos4333
@christianarcos4333 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir.
@misternobody4644
@misternobody4644 5 жыл бұрын
Here are some tips to make it easier to install, at least from my experience. I used an Irwin Unibit step drill bit #1MT (16101) to drill out the hole without needing to change drill bits to 7mm, then use a slightly larger drill bit if needed to fit the rivnut. Also, I found that there was enough clearance, at least on my dad's bicycle to fit a Milwaukee M18 drill with the step drill bit. If you don't have enough clearance and don't have a right angle drill, you can use a much affordable right angle drill attachment, such as the DeWalt Right Angle Drill Attachment (DWARA050) and attach it to your existing drill.
@nosegrindv4951
@nosegrindv4951 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! im gonna mount a bottle cage to my cell fone!
@shawnp8429
@shawnp8429 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@golf231971
@golf231971 9 ай бұрын
Pay attention ladies. This is why man take an hour to hang a picture . Your welcome . Great video by the way 👍
@mcjcg1372
@mcjcg1372 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video I'm wanting to get a genius RCT and it doesn't have a bottle Cage I asked my closest bike shop if you can put them on a frame that's not made for it and she sed no this video was very helpful thanks again
@roncooke2188
@roncooke2188 2 жыл бұрын
RJ I fit a lot of rivnuts on the downtubes for the lithium battery plate, similar method to yours. most times i can use one already there or i put an extra one
@kengrubb
@kengrubb 3 жыл бұрын
Another RJ video put into use. Bike is a hi-ten steel Giant made Schwinn World. I need to pick up a hi-ten black finish steel M5x30 to make the rivnut tool. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but a stainless M5x30 is presumably softer than hi-ten. Also need to debur the hole. Planning to use JB Weld in the hole to seal it and help keep the rivnut from spinning down the road.
@GrowingWardFamily
@GrowingWardFamily 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@Albanez39
@Albanez39 5 жыл бұрын
I have never liked water bottles on bikes. And I am not going to add bottle mounts to my bike...but when RJ works on a bike, it's so entertaining and educational, I can't miss it. Keep up the great work, sir!
@RJTheBikeGuy
@RJTheBikeGuy 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks. On long rides, lasting for hours, water is a must. Between a Camelback or bottles, I prefer water bottles.
@Albanez39
@Albanez39 5 жыл бұрын
I have tried riding a bike with a full bottle on the mount, but the weight that splashed left and right inside the bottle really annoyed me. The weight is too low, and sometimes it seemed like there was side wind pushing me in one direction, but it was the water pulling me in that direction after a turn. I prefer keeping that weight high, on my back (with a backpack), be it a water bottle or a camel back.
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