Road America - 1970 Mustang Boss 302 vs Camaro! ELVF Saturday 2020

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Evan Pecore

Evan Pecore

3 жыл бұрын

Onboard the Diversion Motors (www.diversionmotors.com) 1970 Boss 302 Mustang driven by Evan Pecore at the Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival, Fall 2020. Qualified P1 with a time of 2:24.3. After hopping out of a Group 9 car and running down pit lane to jump in the Mustang, it took half a lap for my brain to re-adjust. Great racing with Ray in his Yellow Camaro! Sideways, door to door, lots of fun!

Пікірлер: 201
@johncash8243
@johncash8243 3 жыл бұрын
Most entertaining race I’ve seen in a while. Both drivers pushing it to the max , awesome
@jeffreygraves4120
@jeffreygraves4120 2 жыл бұрын
Well said!
@micahcastillo9113
@micahcastillo9113 2 жыл бұрын
I could listen to that Boss 302 for hours. What a beautiful engine!
@erniearambula3525
@erniearambula3525 2 жыл бұрын
The Boss 302 and Z28 were both factory cars built for the track it was awesome to see those factory icons do battle.
@dalejacobson6363
@dalejacobson6363 2 жыл бұрын
Mustang want's it bad , nice revs !
@sergeantmasson3669
@sergeantmasson3669 2 жыл бұрын
ERNIE ARAMBULA, Penske/Donahue cheated back then with acid dipping the bodies and using fiberglass components wherever possible. If not for that, the Boss 302 Mustang was faster.
@mtl-ss1538
@mtl-ss1538 2 жыл бұрын
@@sergeantmasson3669 All of the Shelby transams Mustangs & Cougars were acid dipped also .
@Loulovesspeed
@Loulovesspeed Жыл бұрын
@@sergeantmasson3669 - Acid dipping was pretty common back then. Sam Posey's Challenger got nabbed for that in tech inspection when an official was jaw boning and leaned on the roof with his elbow and it dented! He said something like "Oh boys, boys, we can't have this now." The head of Chrysler appropriated a new car from a local dealer and they spent the night changing bodies.
@pg1171
@pg1171 2 жыл бұрын
Now THIS is racing! Balls to the wall, foot to the floor, racing. This is the way auto racing was meant to be! The Mustang and Camaro are so evenly matched, braking is their only advantage... Thank you so much! Love this!!!
@sergeantmasson3669
@sergeantmasson3669 2 жыл бұрын
pg1171, Boss 302 Mustang was faster and handled better.
@ces4399
@ces4399 2 жыл бұрын
Love these Boss 302/Z28 “fights.”
@johntempest267
@johntempest267 2 жыл бұрын
Driving as hard as Donahue and Penske ever did. Effing awesome. Seemed to me Camaro had slight edge in braking, low end, Boss had slight edge on handling and top end power Slight. Both drivers were aces.
@plantfeeder6677
@plantfeeder6677 3 ай бұрын
You just described the very essense of their biggest differences. The Chevy 302DZ engine made it's power in the lower rpm range where the Boss302 engine was all about top end speed. I'd give the brakes to the Ford and the handling to the Chevy though.
@algy24
@algy24 3 жыл бұрын
Wow what an incredible skill on display there, you know that track in and out and wow what a noise that car makes 👌🏆
@evan_pecore
@evan_pecore 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I have a few laps around RA under my belt 😄
@stevejones7593
@stevejones7593 3 жыл бұрын
If you have never driven a boss 302, you don't know what you are missing.
@ces4399
@ces4399 2 жыл бұрын
72 Pantera with a 351C. Yeah, I know what I’m missing.
@900108Chale
@900108Chale 2 жыл бұрын
@@ces4399 LOL
@narmale
@narmale 2 жыл бұрын
'99 mustang with a 454cleavor ... i'll keep my car that can handle vs that horrid front system the boss had :3
@miichaelneri4687
@miichaelneri4687 Жыл бұрын
My Dad had the 69 429 Boss. Only got to drive it a hand full of times with him riding along. Just as well I guess. Wish I had it today!
@chester3753
@chester3753 Жыл бұрын
Owned a '70 Boss 302 in college 1973
@captainbuttnuggets4786
@captainbuttnuggets4786 2 жыл бұрын
That was awesome when they were side by side down the straight away ..classic
@jeremy8169
@jeremy8169 2 жыл бұрын
The sounds of the Boss 302 screaming at the end of the long straightaway if awesome !
@JackF99
@JackF99 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! I wish the 'Stang had a rear facing camera after he passed the Camaro. Seemed like the Boss had some hp on the Z but the Camaro guy was more willing to trade paint.
@Poohdaddymagic
@Poohdaddymagic Жыл бұрын
The Boss had a little more top end oomph but both great cars
@plantfeeder6677
@plantfeeder6677 3 ай бұрын
Boss 302s can't be beat on the straights. They're top end monsters. He was toying with the Camaro on the straights until his tires were warm then it was bye.
@ramblerdave1339
@ramblerdave1339 2 ай бұрын
My guess, the Camaro overheated his rear tires, in desperation, trying to stay ahead.
@1MACHDAVID
@1MACHDAVID 3 жыл бұрын
Last Lap , Passed me by going into Canada corner as my Right rear tire was going flat ( Blue Mustang # 03 ), I did make it back into the paddock before it went completely flat .
@kramnull8962
@kramnull8962 2 жыл бұрын
So since your car shit all over you and lost you the race, you want to give it to me, right?
@iggyfritz7150
@iggyfritz7150 3 жыл бұрын
Now this was real racing this when a man was a man and a woman was a woman
@900108Chale
@900108Chale 2 жыл бұрын
And drivers were Racers!
@narmale
@narmale 2 жыл бұрын
and the corvettes plowed through the corners instead of taking em LOL!
@rockfusionser
@rockfusionser 2 жыл бұрын
2:45 to 6:20 is the race. The most exhilarating race I’ve seen on video
@GeorgeMcKinley.
@GeorgeMcKinley. 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome display of driving , great action between both cars. Very nice suspension setup and both motor and trans making some sweet sound.
@oldieman730
@oldieman730 2 жыл бұрын
Singing 302, best sound ever.
@dbzfreak701
@dbzfreak701 2 жыл бұрын
The sound of this thing alone gets your heart going. Can't imagine the amount of adrenaline pumping while actually pushing this beast around the track. Even morose while battling another capable car/driver. Awesome stuff.
@allanpolk2681
@allanpolk2681 2 жыл бұрын
Wow ! Talk about two very evenly matched cars. This boss and the Z28 were clawing at each other like crazy. Great cars, and great driving skill by both drivers, not afraid to go full- tilt boogie with their rides. And the sound . . . Stereophonic V8 muscle eargasm. The guy in the Vette near the end, must have been doing his imitation of a slug.
@900108Chale
@900108Chale 2 жыл бұрын
Just when I though the Camaro would NOT let you pass. You did it! *Da Boss!* Nice.
@evan_pecore
@evan_pecore 2 жыл бұрын
It got a little tight, but we squeezed through. A fun race!
@kramnull8962
@kramnull8962 2 жыл бұрын
@@evan_pecore Would have been nice to had a rear view to watch you gap him....
@lpscruggsiii
@lpscruggsiii 2 жыл бұрын
A great way to spend a morning or afternoon, playing hard with friends. Way cool Dude !!!
@svenmartin840
@svenmartin840 2 жыл бұрын
I felt the spirits of Mr. Gurney, Parnelli Jones, Mark Donoghue, and all the other racers who raced the trans-am. And the early days of IMSA,Trans Am,WRC,WEC. Because they raced because they wanted too.
@narmale
@narmale 2 жыл бұрын
i absolutely lost it when that C3 did the same and plowed straight ahead LOLOLOLOLOLOL
@Scrambler85
@Scrambler85 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a Ford fan but that Camaro was giving the Mustang all it wanted.
@quicksilverracing9061
@quicksilverracing9061 2 ай бұрын
Glad everyone enjoyed the video! 6:01
@900108Chale
@900108Chale 2 жыл бұрын
1:05 *YUP! That's a Vette driver ALL DAY LONG!*
@narmale
@narmale 2 жыл бұрын
aw man, we arnt all that stupid... >.
@Lagrange1186
@Lagrange1186 2 жыл бұрын
I could watch this all day.
@Loulovesspeed
@Loulovesspeed 2 жыл бұрын
1:04 - typical uppity Vette driver - "I'm not letting any Mustang or Camaro stay ahead of me"..............Oooooops!
@narmale
@narmale 2 жыл бұрын
i lost it, straight lost it... like he did xD xD xD
@kenm4678
@kenm4678 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting to see it this way. I was watching this at the track station 13 when it happened.
@CoyoteProductionsBoss302
@CoyoteProductionsBoss302 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible could not have matched these cars any closer! Keeps u watching! Love the sound!
@YeahItsYourBoyG
@YeahItsYourBoyG Жыл бұрын
f*cking epic dude, hats off to you and the z/28 driver
@evan_pecore
@evan_pecore Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@trevorward2078
@trevorward2078 2 жыл бұрын
When that C3 went off though. That was awesome. Wanted it sooooo bad but just a little too much. Great video. Great racing. Awesome cars.
@notpoliticallycorrect1303
@notpoliticallycorrect1303 Жыл бұрын
A lot too much,or his brakes failed😂
@erikalston4496
@erikalston4496 2 жыл бұрын
Best Boss 302 on KZfaq !!!
@BrunoLiechti
@BrunoLiechti 3 ай бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fZaRdaiUnL_Wfo0.html
@KiranKumar_46
@KiranKumar_46 2 жыл бұрын
Spectacular race!!!
@franckcastt
@franckcastt 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome!!!, thank you! 🏁
@badnomad357
@badnomad357 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing. Incredibly even matched. Shocking that the camaro jumped him or the mustang got back in front
@sbstian
@sbstian 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome battle!
@thomashamilton9046
@thomashamilton9046 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like a handful, great driving
@michaelmiller9870
@michaelmiller9870 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! 👍👍
@2098elk
@2098elk 2 жыл бұрын
What great racing!
@JamesWilliams-dj2bp
@JamesWilliams-dj2bp 3 жыл бұрын
Just like Jones and nd Donahue. Fantastic!
@brettwoodard167
@brettwoodard167 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like you were the cat, and Ray was the mouse. Great driving!
@approachingtarget.4503
@approachingtarget.4503 2 жыл бұрын
Man that looks like fun. Thank god its winter now....fresh snow and empty streets...here i come.
@bill5935
@bill5935 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome!! Those guys can drive !!
@62cripple
@62cripple 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome racing....😁
@f4udhorn
@f4udhorn 2 жыл бұрын
Equally paired racing is the best!
@elliottstevens8564
@elliottstevens8564 2 жыл бұрын
This is the auto version of what the Eurosport World SuperBike color commentators refer to as a "ding dong battle".
@bpoole73
@bpoole73 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@michaelspraggins5419
@michaelspraggins5419 2 жыл бұрын
Great racing! Great video! It would also be great if we could keep national poilitics out of vintage racing and just focus on the great cars, drivers and racing.
@AG-ci7rl
@AG-ci7rl Жыл бұрын
Love it at about 5:05 as they race side-by-side down the front straight, both small blocks screaming.
@gordonipock9385
@gordonipock9385 2 жыл бұрын
Great racing! I enjoyed it. Better than Gran Tourismo on PlayStation.
@porcupinebob7907
@porcupinebob7907 2 жыл бұрын
Bad ass dicin!!! that stang tore it up hahaa!
@neilkinney6600
@neilkinney6600 2 жыл бұрын
What skill!
@MrBlackbutang
@MrBlackbutang 2 жыл бұрын
Nice ! Love to be in the seat
@michaelcuff5780
@michaelcuff5780 2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of going to work in the morning on the N.J. turnpike! Lol!
@67daffy
@67daffy 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome clip no doubt love the old muscle cars racing, and a 302 at that (assuming that's the engine installed).
@elmerfudpucker3204
@elmerfudpucker3204 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent race!
@jonathanriffle6739
@jonathanriffle6739 8 ай бұрын
You rock !
@beboboymann3823
@beboboymann3823 3 ай бұрын
Awesome! My teeth hurt. My jaws ache.
@williamlewis7846
@williamlewis7846 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful sound, I had a 69 Mach 351W w/ top loader 4 spd. Fine cars the were. Camaro seemed to do fine when it could block the Mustang.
@stock202
@stock202 6 ай бұрын
Shake & bake I saw that.
@roselleavenuecustomcards8961
@roselleavenuecustomcards8961 3 жыл бұрын
Like listening to Mozart for 15 minutes. Music to my ears :)
@matrox
@matrox 2 жыл бұрын
That camaro looks bad ass.
@zeuscasey
@zeuscasey 2 жыл бұрын
Brakes-camaro Top end pull-boss Handling-,boss by a hair. Both great cars and 2 me nothing like hearing 2 high revving American v8s
@glavatz
@glavatz 2 жыл бұрын
These guys are just givin er.
@jonathanwyatt5097
@jonathanwyatt5097 2 жыл бұрын
What a rip
@joshua331968
@joshua331968 3 жыл бұрын
3:47 to 3:51 .. crazy...
@JONNIE_ROCKER
@JONNIE_ROCKER 2 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍
@h2oskiaddict
@h2oskiaddict 2 жыл бұрын
Almost a 100 psi oil pressure!!
@servers5717
@servers5717 2 жыл бұрын
The boss 302 mustang is my favorite mustang ever
@rickhenke2452
@rickhenke2452 2 жыл бұрын
Z/28s had hotter cams and a little more compression but they just didn’t breathe like the Cleveland heads.
@sergeantmasson3669
@sergeantmasson3669 2 жыл бұрын
That's not true. Z28 302 cam was 455 lift whereas the Boss 302 cam had 540 lift. Both engines had near the same compression ratio. Both rated at 290 hp but in reality, the Boss 302 was 340 hp to the Chevy 310 hp. Boss 302 advantage was the 351 4v cylinder heads. All Boss 302 engines had 4 bolt mains. Only the '69 Camaro Z28 302 had 4 bolt mains. Bottom line, the Boss 302 was the more superior engine.
@bumblebeebob
@bumblebeebob 2 жыл бұрын
But the Camero had the superior front suspension. That helped them. The Mustangs were hampered by theirs. It was a mucked up setup. Okay for street driving but weak for anything more spirited. I had a '70 fastback as a daily driver for 17 years. Got a little spirited on the street in my youth. ;-)
@narmale
@narmale 2 жыл бұрын
@@sergeantmasson3669 just about drop two golf balls side-by-side down those ports too... shame the combustion chambers wernt as crazy as the ports or they really woulda been crazy good
@sergeantmasson3669
@sergeantmasson3669 2 жыл бұрын
@@narmale Get REAL ! Chevy 302 and Ford Boss 302, the Ford Boss 302 was far better.
@sergeantmasson3669
@sergeantmasson3669 2 жыл бұрын
@@bumblebeebob Camaro front suspension was superior over the Mustang? According to who, you? Street driving, the Mustang handled far better. Camaro rear mono-leaf springs were a joke. Chevy tried adding traction bars and staggered shocks but neither helped. Camaro front suspension, the ball joints were weak and often failed. I'm a 50+ years master level factory certified auto/truck tech. Camaro has never been superior over Mustang. GM discontinued Camaro for 8 years and it's being discontinued again. There will not be a 7th generation Camaro. Mustang began in 1964 and it's never been discontinued. Mustang has always outsold Camaro as well. Enjoy your delusions.
@harpz902
@harpz902 2 жыл бұрын
That’s the definition of badass right there ! What’s the max rpm your reaching there ? 8k ?
@christopherclark564
@christopherclark564 Жыл бұрын
Great action and awesome sounds!
@watsisbuttndo829
@watsisbuttndo829 2 жыл бұрын
Me on the way home after getting off work a half hour early.
@Bebopin-69
@Bebopin-69 3 жыл бұрын
Intoxicating
@michaelratliff905
@michaelratliff905 3 жыл бұрын
Mustang is a horse...what is a Camaro?..is it crap in Spanish?..😁
@iggyfritz7150
@iggyfritz7150 3 жыл бұрын
The boss will always be the boss but I love RS Camaro's too.
@jolujo5842
@jolujo5842 2 жыл бұрын
That Camero to has the mustang by the short hairs 🤣🤣🤣 But wait.... The pony car comes thru 👻
@9145709902
@9145709902 2 жыл бұрын
Long live the ICE!
@paulditch5425
@paulditch5425 2 жыл бұрын
Nice license plate on the Camaro
@kramnull8962
@kramnull8962 2 жыл бұрын
Camaro is like the Jello Commercial of the 70's; Watch it Wiggle...
@robertpoudrette4483
@robertpoudrette4483 2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see wht's on the Camaro's camera, I think the Mustang wiggles it's way as well...
@kramnull8962
@kramnull8962 2 жыл бұрын
@@robertpoudrette4483 That was only an observation of the guy under pressure. Which after the Camaro fought so hard to keep the lead, well I figure his tires were shot. Needed some rear end dampening in there, way too stiff on the rear for this road course. Heaven knows I'd take that Camaro any day as well...
@K-2Himalaya-sb7fe
@K-2Himalaya-sb7fe 5 ай бұрын
302's WAR
@granthendriksz2507
@granthendriksz2507 2 жыл бұрын
I prefer chasing personally.
@dohctorsmith1
@dohctorsmith1 2 жыл бұрын
Boss definitely had more low and midrange power
@Ray-yv2ec
@Ray-yv2ec Жыл бұрын
It comes down to the driver
@Greaseland
@Greaseland 2 жыл бұрын
Camaro looked like a handful to drive
@iR0CZ
@iR0CZ 2 жыл бұрын
How could you dislike either?
@darrylbennett7902
@darrylbennett7902 13 күн бұрын
Yellow Trump Camaro suspension team set him up for failure 😂😂🤦🏾‍♂️ so satisfying watching the Mustang pass him up 👌🏾💪🏾
@MJY5drives
@MJY5drives 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a nascar
@calripson
@calripson 2 жыл бұрын
Are these original or modern engines and transmissions?
@evan_pecore
@evan_pecore 2 жыл бұрын
These engines are built with modern internals, but built to the original displacement using steel block/heads. For reference, the mustangs engine in this video was over 550hp at the crank and turned 8400rpm.
@alanchantiefighterskuanlia627
@alanchantiefighterskuanlia627 2 жыл бұрын
Dat sound is what i want in a v8 stang. Sadly modern stang sound like hyundai
@arnoldanderson1501
@arnoldanderson1501 Ай бұрын
The Camaro is over driving it, but they are quite evenly matched.
@neilkinney6600
@neilkinney6600 2 жыл бұрын
Im assuming Boris Said is at the wheel! The Worlds greatest road course driver!!
@urw877g
@urw877g 2 жыл бұрын
I have watched that yellow Camaro several times at various corners. The front wheels are pointing in every direction except where they should be pointed. If that front end was set up better, he would be hard to pass. I do not know why that team has not figured it out yet. The other Camaros do not look that bad. The Mustangs are nice and smooth in the corners. I would rip that front end apart and try something different.
@HighlanderNorth1
@HighlanderNorth1 2 жыл бұрын
Is that an actual 302 Trans Am Camaro? Or is it just some other late 60s Camaro set up for racing, but with a 327 or 350? That's surprisingly not mentioned anywhere here, despite the fact that it's a pretty big detail. Assuming it is a 302 T/A Camaro, then it's impressive how closely matched those cars were with their Ford, AMC, Mopar rivals.
@kramnull8962
@kramnull8962 2 жыл бұрын
It actually looked as if his rear end is causing the problem. way too stiff, and bouncy at the same time....
@narmale
@narmale 2 жыл бұрын
@@kramnull8962 to much spring, not enough damping
@paxwallacejazz
@paxwallacejazz 2 жыл бұрын
Mustang doesn't have a power advantage so all things being equal
@sergeantmasson3669
@sergeantmasson3669 2 жыл бұрын
Buh-Bye Camelroo.
@griesrt
@griesrt 2 жыл бұрын
Red car is better driver
@ungurdani8346
@ungurdani8346 Ай бұрын
Salut my friend super car . . super video subscribe subscribe
@martinmiessler5025
@martinmiessler5025 2 жыл бұрын
TRUMP CAR LOOOOOSE 👍🏁
@frmula1fan51
@frmula1fan51 2 жыл бұрын
Let's go Brandon! Print those ballots!
@BrunoLiechti
@BrunoLiechti 3 ай бұрын
And one more engine-sound: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/prKUhqeqprrXd6s.html
@BrunoLiechti
@BrunoLiechti 3 ай бұрын
My alltime favorite engine sound heared live: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hr-Her2Su5idlWg.html
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