Epic is literally playing for quarter profits and none of you are really considering that. I feel like they are killing the game for the short term money.

So I’m a rocket league boomer, I’m the guy who works 7-4 in manufacturing and solo queues 1s and 2s (D1 and C1 resp.) for an hour or so a lot of days when I get home and it’s not my turn to cook. And I’ll say this, rocket leagues problem isn’t that not enough people have heard about it, I’m pretty sure everyone knows it exists. It’s biggest problem for growth is its biggest strength competitively: the gameplay is in stasis. This is what keeps me on, I don’t have time to learn a new game. RL racing is something I would play for a night or two, but it’s not replacing RL or TM (which I also play fairly regularly), but I don’t think I would download Fortnite to play it. I would assume that if it wasn’t it’s own game, it wouldn’t be fully fleshed out as it’s own game, more of a mini game. Anecdotally, a bunch of my friends won’t download epic games launcher because they are loyal to steam or hostile to epic. And at least one of my friends wouldn’t play TM (even though they watched me play and thought it looked really good) because they had to make a ubi account to do so. I think all your perspectives are a little off because playing RL and games in general is content and an economic opportunity, you make money off of RL. Most of us only stand to lose money playing games, so if there is something we don’t want to do (even if it isn’t rational, like downloading Fortnite at no cost to play a game we could possibly enjoy) we just won’t do it. Personally, I’d love to see RL2 in the new engine, and some actual love put into maps and limited game modes. New maps like oasis make me want to play, but new maps like the last neo Tokyo reskin are so bad they make me not want to play. And it seems like promo tie ins like Lightning McQueen are money makers too. But if the active and engaged community is saying something forcefully and repeatedly like “we don’t want to be a sub game in Fortnite” I would listen to them. New player acquisition isn’t something they should go all in on, especially since the best marketing is people streaming the game and saying on stream how much they like it and how much they’re having fun.

What Jack said still holds true. Most likely, RL will stay relevant for a bit more till they’ve squeezed all monetary gains. RL will never be as big or have the same pull as Fortnite. Moreover, we still have yet to reach December to see the influence of the decision. When trading leaves at least 1/3 of the community will be turned away and the remaining 2/3 of the community’s population may lean towards a different game in general (not epic related).

29:40 I think comparing Rocket League 'moving' to Fortnite, with DoTA coming from WC3, is actually the opposite of what we're seeing and shows a good example of why keeping a game seperate is actually much more beneficial. DoTA, when it was just a WC3 mod, was a niche game that had some popularity for 7+ years. Then League of Legends was made in 2009, directly inspired by DoTA, and exploded in popularity. Despite WC3 being a huge success and one of the most popular PC games of the 2000's, turning DoTA into a unique game (LoL) took it out of the shadows and the game exploded in popularity. From my view, moving Rocket League back into being a 'mod' of a game is very regressive and I don't feel like it shines any new light on the franchise since Rocket League is already so well known and ESPECIALLY because it has so many cross-overs with Fortnite already.

Johnnyboi's analogy for Dota2 and Warcraft3 was unintentionally scary. In the example he lists there the equivalent would be that Rocket League is gone and only RL Racing exists. I mean where is Warcraft3 today?

You guys said to Jack "so what you're saying is _______" and poorly paraphrased what he was saying, what seemed like a dozen times. That's where the questions about comprehension are coming from, not because y'all disagreed

imagine a stadium in fortnite for watching the RLCS games

Johnny has no morals 2023 confirmed.

I don't really see how, beyond just name recognition, this Rocket League Racing is going to drive people to Rocket League. Like playing Rocket League is nothing like playing a racing game, sure you drive cars but like that's where the comparison ends. Like if there was a racing mode in Rocket League that would be neat but I wouldn't be surprised if the Rocket League audience wasn't that into it cuz like the things that are fun about Rocket League are not present in racing

i'm sorry for saying this on the official channel: johnny just isn't smart. he's an amazing caster, he's funny and entertaining and obviously creates great content. but his reasoning skills are poor and it's tough to listen to.

Chalked cast has had so many L takes lately its hard to get through an episode. I think is cjcj talked more and Rizzo and Johnny talked less, it would be ok.

Johnny has a delusional view of what RL could do in such an extreme market. It holds its position because of the unique nature of the game.

I still want the Mach 5 speed racer car to be in rocket league

CJCJ vs Big Oscar in the ring. Make it happen

Do you think they’re running rocket league racing through UE5 in Fortnight to get the physics right before they release RL2? Because if the physics are slightly off from RL1-2 it would drive everybody insane. So they’ll use this as the testing grounds for proper controls / reactions to better graphics / depths / impacts etc….

The problem with last episode was that you were basically all arguing from different base assumptions. Johnnyboi seemed to assume it's going to be just like rocket league but in fortnite, and got unnecessarily caught up in the point that Jack said epic would never give rocket league the same kind of opportunity and support to become as big as fortnite. Rizzo assumes it's a new kind of game in the same ip as rocket league, which interests him because he's tired of rocket league but wants a small step to transfer his audience to new content. Jack assumes it's a different thing than current rocket league and fears it will replace current base rocket league, and because he's still a big fan of the base game of rocket league he doesn't see it as a good thing for current rocket league. So you were basically all just talking past each other, because you never clearly started with stating what exactly you believe rocket league racing would be.

Everybody playing Fortnite knows what RL is, I talk to them everyday, I agree with CJ’s view the most

Missing the nuances a little bit. Yeah, Epic would never prevent RL from being a cash cow if things were to pan out that way and it found a new player base via Fortnite... But they're _never_ going to prioritize RL over Fortnite because the ultimate goal with Fortnite is to make it the platform on which all future games are made, so that Epic can take all that additional revenue in the same way that KZfaq takes revenue from every video posted to their website. They want the platform to be the main thing, and Rocket League just isn't as flexible as Fortnite in that regard. Plus it would make things confusing for potential content creators, they need a streamlined platform to compete with Roblox.

I'd never heard Rizzo talk so much in his podcast, but then I realized it's because the topic is not Rocket League this time, it's Fortnite

Thinking of all those extra items they added they over saturated the market with so much junk people even get bored of going for items, the rocket pass has been pretty much shit after the first few seasons and now they’re removing trading which will force people to wait for certain items they want and pay way more the the item was worth in the trading market normally you could buy a lot of cheaper black market goals and decals for only a few hundred credits and the default on the shop is 2000creds imagine spending 2000 creds for a slipstream decal you could normal trade for 150 from someone else …. Sick joke by epic

Give us rise

45:55 love you Yumi, we are the same and that's a really good point

At what point do we get "vehicles" that aren't cars anymore? planes, truck, forklift, ...powerranger incoming?

At the end of day putting rocket league in fortnite would only increase the player base within both games. It’s a win win for epic in their eyes. I personally don’t care but it would. as rizzo said, be weird and a bummer for us hard core players.

Rocket league being launched from Fortnite is such a silly concept, no way anyone would want that.

27:40 The point is why the fuck they would waste time on RL racing and remove trading bc of it instead of the RL itself, just make it to UE5 then people will make not only racing but so many better things

Boycott McQueen

What if they are trying to capitalize on the experienced people and resources (tutorials) that already exist for fn creative are experienced in the fn creative mode to ensure rapid growth and development of the RL creative mode. Also, isn't this somewhat in line with one of the initial versions of RL? Like it was almost like a twisted metal type thing that spawned RL. Now theyre just bringing that back. Maybe they found that the development was really hard for twisted metal. And now that they have so many assets that are combat oriented, it makes that version of the game that much easier. They might be saving a bunch of development time by just taking the back end of fn to build the world of RL in ue5.

100gb lying around on my hard drive unused IS kind of a big deal, yeah. I'm with Yumi on that one. It would be like that freakin' U2 album on iTunes again. I'm a video editor, my harddrives are always running full anyways. I only have RL installed on my work PC, for a few matches during pauses. Why would I ever want to get a Fortnite with that?

Sports started in ancient Roman times

Spotify?

Why so long to put on Spotify….

Unlock? like for free? fat chance

44:16 Surely Epic games would benefit from this, as it will lower the the hindrance from getting that dopamine and maintaining the cycle, ultimately increasing the engagement of users on the platform. But Releasing RL2 on Fortnite Creative would be bad for Rocket League as its own identity, as now RL will have to compete with other games including Fortnite for playtime which is a limited resource. RL is fun but so are other games, if we are predicting that releasing RL2 on Fortnite will bring new audience from Fortnite to RL, it also introduces RL audience to Fortnite and thousand other games to try, and we may assume some players will spend their time there. Again big W for epic, but it may reduce the conversion of casual players into RLCS audience. RLCS is a part of Rocket League's Identity. The number of passionate fans for RL could tank in future or i will be wrong and RL2 will be amazing and popular, hopefully Tier 1 esports. I don't want to launch RL2 from Fortnite because i don't want to launch Fortnite. If you can launch RL from both Epic games and Steam, the preference is given to Steam beacuse of the useful features added with it, but what if both have all the useful features, are literally identical except one have some annoying features. Which one would you choose. If they are gonna do it, they must rework their UI for RL2 to show that they equally love both the IPs.

21:04 shirley

Jonny and rizzo have a causal view they don’t grind or care about the game just what it brings them which is fair but makes their points hard for people who love the game to get including me. Rocket league is the best and coolest game I’ve ever played and simply changing it to a mini game would end anything for the future casual or otherwise and also I promise you Fortnite players are not gonna play rocket league it’s so hard to learn and pick up and people who play Fortnite aren’t into games like rl terrible terrible yake

holy crap the collective IQ of chalk cast is sub standard, but ffs it's so ridiculous to hear the rhetoric about "awww yeahhh the 'representative rocket league community' is all casuals'...", when the game has not had a "casual" mode since its literal inception. Even in casual you have an MMR. The GAME ITSELF, MAKES SURE, YOU CARE, AT SOME POINT, ABOUT COMPETING. It IS NOT conducive to a "casual" audience. If it HONESTLY were, we would have some sort of system for custom games that aren't tied to an MMR. Now, here's a theory, every "influencer" trying to take this kids game and make it their source of income through all the social channels is going to eat into the latest release of whatever through the item store, no matter what, because EPIC/PSYONIX STARVES ITS PLAYER BASE / AUDIENCE FOR CONTENT. And you're going to have people buy the thing from the children's movie, because children play rocket league. Wow. Incredible. That wasn't hard to actually spend oxygen thinking about. And another thing, the item store has been separated from trading since it was established? Maybe? I'm not sure. I wasn't there in the beginning, but things bought from the item store can't be traded... so they seem like separate issues (buying things from the store / losing a component of the game). Christ, I'm 13 minutes in and need to take a breather before continuing.

I'm glad you're excited for RLR and i see why keeping it in the FN ecosystem contains players to their platform. The problem some of are having is that leaves current RL as a stand alone game. Why download RL after playing RLR if i can just play something else instantly, to borrow from Johnny. I'd be excited if Epic communicated anything at all about the future of RL instead of acting like Valve. Thats why some people are so pessimistic, because the community is forced into all these "what if" scenarios. And based on the recent choices from the decision-makers (i refuse to call them leadership since they dont lead) at epic, we are further forced to guess that they will continue making poor choices for the player base. Im glad something RL is coming but with 0 comms and recent choices by epic brass, its brave to have as much hope as yall do for RL. RLR sure, but i dont see it for RL. Not unless brass shows long term planning AND can be bothered to talk to us pleabs who make these games possible.

Appjack W

Heres the thing, fortnite brought back no build and now the og map cause the cracked 12 yr olds got too good and were clapping everyone. Sound familiar? Rocket league needs to go back to og graphics and mechanics to give us boomers a chance.

I will not install Fortnite. Ever. If Fortnite absorbs RL, RL is dead to me.

What’s up with CJ’s hairline???🫵🏽😂

Johnnie being so nervous chatty shows how nervous he is for his career

Can’t even lie I bought the McQueen pack… it’s amazing haha

ACRONIK should join moist

I don't care about rl racing being in Fortnite or whatever, but epic games launcher is total trash and doesn't support my ps5 controller natively.

Im for RL racing. I havent traded with any significance foe years so idc about it but its a shame for the people who do.

Ight look, we gotta stop looking at current Rocket League as it's final form. We all know that they're working on UE5 Rocket League, and they're remaking the game from scratch. Every car, cosmetic, arena, everything, has to be remade for the new game. If they keep adding to the current game, that's more work for the UE5 team, because if they launch the new version of the game and it doesn't have all of the functionality of the current game on day one, then people will be disappointed. It sucks, but this is what transition periods look like. That would be my explanation for why Rocket League has plateaued. As far as racing goes or putting Rocket League entirely in Fortnite, I have other thoughts. Right now, Rocket League does not have the time or really the capability to add racing to the game. There would be no custom maps because there's no creator. Fortnite, however, does have a creator and has imported some Rocket League properties, so racing is much easier to implement there, at least as a testing ground. It might not even be labeled "Rocket League Racing", but more just a racing game mode that uses all vehicle assets in Fortnite. I don't think the mechanics of Rocket League would even translate well to a racing game. The cars are too light, they accelerate/ decelerate too fast, the cars don't lose traction, etc. It would need tweaking on the back end to make it really enjoyable. I think it would be a good way to introduce the idea of Rocket League racing, but ultimately it would benefit from being part of UE5 Rocket League or as it's own game. Rocket League being entirely consumed by Fortnite just doesn't make sense, they're completely different games with different development teams, they would need to coordinate updates and all of the players would have no choice but to install the whole package whether they play both games or not, which wastes space on storage drives, especially on console. From the conversations you've had over the past couple podcasts, you're not thinking about what Rocket League will be in the future, you're only looking at what it is right now, as if it will be on UE3 forever. Not thinking about the possibilities that comes with UE5, and the hard work they have to put in to get there makes the whole conversation irrelevant. All we have right now is UE3 Rocket League, but we know the update is coming at some point, so it's short-sighted to see the game as dying or being neglected when there is probably a whole lot going on behind the scenes that could make Rocket League a way bigger game than it's ever been. Where's the optimism?

Maybe yall should go and install fortnite and look at how garbage the ui is before you throw opinions on how easy it would be to switch over

Pickles do not belong on burgers, fax

The common thread in the people supporting Jacks position seems to be, "we don't want that". This decision has nothing to do with what you want. That's not how this works. They make these decisions based on what the market will bear. If RL is on UE5 within Fortnite, I will play it there. We all will, don't kid yourself. And once it's there, the player base will almost certainly increase. It's a simple calculation that doesn't need to take into account "what you want".

The inability for the majority of people in the community to understand that Rocket League Racing is probably exactly what the game needs to get reinvigorated is baffling. I knew RL's community was one of the most toxic, but never thought it was this bad. The amount of bad faith in this community is astounding.

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