Absolutely keep that ‘52 Proof 25C in that messed up holder!! It’s just awesome to be able to show off what people are dealing with when it comes to 3rd party grading cos

I like these videos with the trueview before showing the grade. Thank you very much. Keep up the good work.

This is a great video to let new collectors like myself know what to expect from PCGS grading. Thank you!

I am very disappointed with PCGS too. They don’t even take care of the issues for the customers anymore!? Wtf

Another thing, it would be soo easy for the companies to do better if they wanted to, they could easily track every coin grade that is flawed back to the "experets" that graded them since they all have a unique number. So they could start with getting rid of the lazy once's using a three strike out policy, which would instantly make over night improvements!

I would actually love to own that 1952 25c proof in that goofy pcgs holder. It’s just too funny how ridiculously off they have become.

So glad I came across this. I just inherted some really nice old coins and was going to use PGCS but it appears best to use NGC instead.

I use NGC for all of my older coins, and I use PCGS for modern coins from the mint for just this reason. I have been screwed using PCGS and break coins out and send them to NGC and get a straight grade. Just happened to me too many times to use PCGS for older coins.

I’d almost argue that PCGS isn’t using multiple graders to grade their coins anymore also. I bet they are slapping a box in front of one kid and saying “good luck”

Labeling errors definitely do not add value to your coin. In fact it can lessen the value, because if the denomination is wrong, the grade probably is as well. Anyway, these labeling errors are much more common than you might think.

I would for sure hold on to that 1952 quarter that marked as a nickel. It’s funny to see they have it listed as a nickel, but then have the picture of the quarter.

Hey Rocky! I told you I was looking forward to this video. You certainly didn't disappoint. I agree with all the PCGS mistakes you found. It's certainly sad we have to pay all this money and wait as long as we do to end up getting screwed in the end. I'd make them do a reconsideration and pay for all shipping and insurance fees both ways.

Exactly why there is a CAC grading now. Then there will be a grading for CACed coins. Soon all holder's will look like a sponsored Nascar with all the grading stickers on them! It's all CRAP to get people's money!!

PCGS lost the real graders now they got micky mouse crew

I do like the clarity of your pictures

Once they get that class action lawsuit they may start acting right, but unfortunately this is the way American companies do business now days milk customers dry and provide less than adequate service on the cheap and hope they don’t notice.

Just wanted to pass along what I was told back ten years or so ago.... I was told never send in bulk lots of anything for grading whether it's coins, stamps, sports cards, comic books, etc... The reason being if you send in bulk lots for grading you get bulk quality/attention to detail grading. I guess that means sometimes the difference between say getting a grade of 68/69 turns into 66/67. Or expecting a grade of 68 with attributes...gets just a 68. I've heard there are things that you could do to up the odds of getting the highest grade possible, but I can't provide any proof of that so I won't bother commenting on that.....but you might want to consider using an alias when submitting your coins and/or collectibles. But what's in a name? Ya know what I mean?😮😊😉 🙊🙉🙈

They messed my coins up big time. I had a 1921s Morgan Dollar MS66 and they took it all the way down to a damaged AU. Mind you it wasn't damaged until they tried to reholster it in a cross over. I am so disappointed. Now my $12k coin is worth $57. I would NEVER send another coin to them.

On the flying eagle cent, the 1 in the date is the biggest issue to me. It’s WAY fatter than the 1 used on certified examples

The 64 Kennedy looks like machine doubling. I have a Morgan that I thought was doubling too.

I’ve always been a big fan of NGC and never had any problems with them. Have you ever gotten coins graded with them?

The quarter in the wrong holder shows the wrong denom on their website too, and the value is for a nickel so it's all sorts of messed up.

PCGS gives different grades for different years. It's tough for newbies to understand, but years with tough condition problems get better grades than the same grade for other years. I think they should be more consistent, but that's their style.

The 64-D Kennedy looked like step-doubling, or "poor man's" doubling. The Flying Eagle is not supposed to look like clad/silver, but bronze. On the clad state quarters, I dont know of any variety besides Wisconsin, District of Columbia,

Good thing I saw this video. Not giving a 25 cent proof B the proper and obvious grading and calling it a 5 cent us unforgivable. Makes coin grading with PCGS look real bad. Wow!

Thanks for doing videos like this! I don't have a ton of disposable income, and I wanted to get a few family heirlooms in slabs so I can let my kids hold them and look at them. Nothing incredibly valuable, but they're sentimental. No way I'm wasting my money on PCGS these days. I'll probably do ANACS for the price if I decide to do it.

I think there is a big problem with the grading companies, they have no regulations. For these companies to keep them in check. No checks and balances means corruption and influence peddling .

I agree with their grades, mostly .....I was grading these as the video progressed and before you moved your thumb for the reveal and pegged most of them. The 1959 quarter and 1896 Morgan I agree with you on. Missing VAM's on other Morgans, idk....I would need to examine under magnification myself, but yeah I can see them blowing off your paid for requests. They did not attribute those properly. The 5 c quarter is a crying @$$ shame really. Shoddy service by PCGS. The cleaned details on the 50 Centavos is typical PCGS bs. Cleaned with what? They don't know if it was really cleaned. The 1857 FE, I need to really look at it. The 1908 S looks genuine. The 1878 S is not cleaned. Once again, PCGS swings and misses with their "cleaned" bs. That coin wouldn't cartwheel had it been cleaned. Amateur hour indeed. $5000 in submissions fees in 2022? Makes you think, right? Think of the nice coin you could have purchased for $5000? A better date Saint Gaudens? 3rd party coin grading and authentication is unnecessary, unless you plan to sell online or sight unseen, OR you plan to sell in-person to idiots, which unfortunately includes most of todays collectors. They actually think if a coin is encapsulated, that it changes the coin! Like some kind of new aged alchemy of sorts. Its ridiculous. I shake my head wondering why so many in this hobby are subletting an interesting and crucial aspect of this hobby (grading and authentication) to a third party, and pay a fee for this worthless service to boot! And why submit modern coins to grading services in the 1st place? You are effectively massively reducing their value. 1987 P w/ full steps? No value there. $30+ for grading of this coin? There's no demand for this coin. You''ll never get your money out of this even if they gave you full steps.

that is scary about PCGS now, they screwed on some of these coins.

Im definitely second guessing sending my coins in now!

You definitely have a point with the wrong designation with the quarter! I mean if you can’t get the denomination of coin correct, what is the probability of getting the grade incorrect?

Good video. Kind of humorous. I have submitted all my stuff to NGC over the years and never used PCGS. That being said, a lot of these I just would not have sent in. Anything with a milk spot or haze in the fields isn’t worth it. No 64 kennedy is worth sending in. No Lincoln cent is worth it. I don’t think the grading was that bad other than the blatant mislabel. The foreign coin did look cleaned to me. And there had to be some diagnostic on the IHC to tell them it was fake. Personally everything was what I’d expect to see. I don’t think you should be that upset other than a lot of them simply should have been weeded out to begin with on your part. It’s always a learning experience. PCGS does not do all the obscure attributions. Sometimes there is machine doubling that is not recognized or acknowledged as a variety or doubled die.

Dunno man, feels like first world problems man. All those amazing coins, feels pretty amazing to have such a collection? Get a job there brother, perhaps you can raise the bar for all of us

When you have a coin that has hazing or toning on it still sealed in the mint set cellophane, you can actually submit the coin for grading still sealed in the cellophane from the mint to prove that it isn't really environmental damage or artificial toning.

Fun video to watch, but sorry about your difficulties.

...and don't beat yourself up too much for their F-ups...it is NOT personal...I have been hearing these same complaints from MANY other folks that have had identical issues with PCGS for the last 3 or 4 years especially. Something is WRONG at PCGS and it is NOT the collector's fault !!!!!

There are so many similar reactions nowadays. I had an idea of creating a website in form of a data base where anyone can register every grading that they feel is obviously wrong, one would have to register so that every complaint can be linked to a person to protect against abuse of any kind, and also to be able to proof their mistake should any of the grading services get pissed of, which I'm sure they would. Anyone can register and then logg on and choose from a list of all grading services, upload photos and chose from a list of problems and also the possibility to add a note explaining ones thoughts. there should also be a complaint field for other problems, like unfair charges. The rate of t his site growing would be completely dependent on how bad of a job these grading companies does, so it's a perfect way to kick them where it hurts and forcing them to not abuse their monopoly. This site would probably grow fast and it would quickly get noticed by all the major grading companies, especially the ones who screws up a lot like PCGS and it would force them to do better. I don't think it would be a problem to get people to take the time submitting problems, because when you receive your coins back and find obvious mistake and signs of laziness, people get fired up and all that energy is more than enough to make people want to post about the problems. The numismatic community need to come together and do something like this. It wouldn't be too expensive to create this, but it could still be crowd founded and I'm sure there are a lot of disappointed customers that would be willing to chip in. I'm not a coin collector myself and don't know all the details that would go into how to make a complaint that touch on all angles of the problems that are common with grading mistakes, we would need people like you with a lot of experience of grading submissions, and someone that do websites. You have a small channel, but perhaps there are huge channels on youtube as well that would be interested in spreading information about a new database like this. It's up to the community to come together because there has to be some consequences for this constant behavior, there needs to be some accountability. That's the only way when it comes to monopolies, thats just the nature of it, they will never improve if they don't have to and the service will continue to get worse and worse at the same time as prices will go up and up. As long as they see that they can get away with it. If you made a graph over the last 10 years I doubt that their services has improved somewhere along that timeline, rather it has worsen consistently. I would love to be a part of something like this, but I think it needs to be people from USA involved since it's there all those companies are located, and we would need some coin collectors that are working in the judicial system to make sure it's made correctly and we don't get sued. I'm living on the other side of the planet. But I could at least try to plant the seed. Don't just submit coins, submit complaints! That our slogan :D

This has convinced me to not send several off to pcgs . Unacceptable mistakes , especially for the cost. "UP TO 3 PEOPLE REVIEW EACH"..BULLSHIT !! Credibility means everything in this market.

I was told some collectors like graded coins that are mistakes . Pay extra for pcgs mistakes .

I can see the split series on the 'R'. You are correct, it is a variety for certain. I was going to send a bunch of my Benjis into PCGS but now I'm thinking twice about it!

You should get the misprinted quarter one graded. Like case and all. Commented to early many quarters. But the one I was referring to was the .25 with 5c on the label

PCGS needs to fix their mistakes, 1) they need to pay for the shipping both ways. 2) give you the Variety Attributions for free on the Quarter for type the Type B. And what ever else they messed up.

You are not alone. IMHO this grading service (and others) does an even worse job on foreign coins. I have a coin struck in Guatemala just after the death of Spanish King Carlos IIII, with the bust of Carlos IIII and text for his successor, Ferdinand VII; however the holder claims incorrectly that the bust is that of Ferdonand VII. This mistake has been made several times, as documented in Heritage Auctions records of past sales. Similar problems with Ethiopian silver, with examples of the common type of 1/8 birr labeled as the much rarer one. -- and auction houses don't always catch these errors (especially if they can earn a higher commission by flogging a mislabeled coin).

I agree with the MS64 grade on the 87 cent. Lots of nicks on Lincokln's suit/shoulder. The nickel is not full steps, the three of them are interrupted on the left side of the main stairs. It's taken a long time and a lot of submissions like this but I now can see coins closer to the way PCGS does.

Always soak coins in acetone for 5 minutes or so and gently rinse with distilled water. And let dry. Do not rub. That will melt slight PVC off the coin. They can call PVC damage when you can’t even see it. Silver is good. But I don’t recommend unc copper with great color being soaked.

Honestly ANACS gets a bad rap,but they are actually doing a decent service these days!! I think PCGS is ,as you say, are either using subpar employees or they are rushing through orders and consequently resulting in inaccurate grading and poor service,!!

Last post. Sorry to ramble. PCGS’ True View Pics seem to make the coin way better looking than when in hand, no?

they will tell you get lost when you call, you will see lol

I’m so sorry for leaving so many comments. But as I go along, I see more to discuss. On 64 proof half dollar the milk spot absolutely kills it.

My coin dealer loves raw coins… he’s super knowledgeable and I trust his opinion over any slab company… the best part is I dont have to pay insane grading prices for his opinion… because thats all they are is grade opinions

PCGS is under rating coins to protect the registry investor. I will not use them anymore.

You’re 100% correct. They saw all these orders from you and like you said, just smashed them thru the grading process for some reason! Sorry dude. Love your page

Some of the coins looks like they would've benefited from an acetone wash. The environmental damage coin looked like it had cellophane residue and the 1957 proof half looked like it had waterspots.

Contesting those coins is only going to aggravate your disappointment.

Something to tell you with ANACS if you dont already know. They will charge you for the variety/vam attribution (i think its $13 bucks). Heres what i learned the hard way.. you will have to eait approx one month longer on ALL THE COINS YOU SUBMIT when you send a VAM in. ALSO, if its not that exact VAM, they will not put the correct VAM attribute on it unless you pay them $16 per coin! That is not disclosed (that i saw) on their site or form when you submit it.

Dan at Coinhelpu uses acetone to remove residue. Says he has sent coins to pcgs after with no problems.

I watched this thing on how pcgs does its grading. According to them each coin has 3 different people grade it. If the first 2 give the same grade then the 3rd double checks the order and gets it ready for the slab. If the first 2 have different grades then the 3rd gives it a hard look to determine who was correct. They can only choose one of the grades if they cant then the process starts over from the beginning. Did they changed the process? Idk. The video I watched had someone doing a walkthrough and following the process each step with a pcgs supervisor explaining what's happening. There's a lot of redundancy in their process to prevent any of these things from happening so why are they happening so frequently? It can't be just a lack of unskilled employees... a major change in the processing like adding automation (printing of labels). Something simple as a computer printing a few steps ahead of the process instead of printing labels at the end could mess up All of the redundancy putting place.

Your best video yet lol I was 100% right on all your coins and your eye site. Some of what you think is repunched or DD is machine doubling

the flying eagle looks like it has a depression on the obverse

Great Video. This proves that PCGS is not all they are acclaimed to be. Number one grading service out of the top 3. I agree. Is that variety attribution on the quarters type B on certain years.? I have a roll of 1955-D I am going to go thru.

What makes their grading ' opinion ' any more correct than what a buyer is willing to pay ?

The 1987 nickel has a couple of places where there is a break in one of the steps…particularly the 2nd step from the top.

I’ve heard the graders receive half the grading money and two different graders will grade it independently and have to agree or it goes back around

Machine doubling happens when the dies come together and either one of the dies barley rotates or the coin does. It doesn't double stamp the coin.....

#pcgs owes you brother for sure. And that Philippines? It was much better than that 64 they graded, it's clear as day. A box of mistakes. And I think you deciding on keeping that 5¢ slab error is a wonderful idea. Thank you brother 🤙

Leaving the comments as I watch the video. Currently at the 1959 type B reverse and you are 1000% correct on that, they fucked up. I also think you're right about the quarter holder that says 5C instead of 25C, itll be worth more for that error in the future, probably even now. I'll edit as video goes on 64 D MS 65 is absolutely a DDO, you can see the split seraphs 100% I'm surprised one of those kennedy proofs didnt actually come back cameo, it appeared frosty enough to me and also the 1896 morgan does appear to me to have the doubled stars, man they are straight screwing you over and just taking your money and wasting your time. I would use anacs, I believe they're cheaper also and in the future once getting all the proper attributions you could do a crossover for to have them in pcgs holder. I wont edit anymore cause I'm just gonna be flooding your notification section, unless I see another outrageous screw over and cant help myself

Many people are giving CAC a try and going back to ANACS. PCGS grades waaaaaay to hard, pricing too high, taking too long, and are missing attributes. They aren't the only game in town!!

The phillipine coin is definately cleaned with the dark fields around the lettering and clear in the rest of the field. Yhe wear on the shield on the reverse is not weak shrike but definite wear. Its cleaned xf.. many of your coins were accurately graded. Some of the varieties were not varieties. Like the double d. Just because you want a variety or think it is a variety doesnt mean it is.

I just saw this video now and I have to say that I had the same problems with PCSG. I put in a number Morgans, Franklin Proof which was perfect. The Morgans came back and was stated cleaned which they clearly weren’t. I had a perfect proof Franklin and it came back as a 64 but no mention of full bell lines which it had. There were others as well. Very fustrated.

Thought PCGS was the best for grading. Lots of people are getting their stuff back graded all screwed up 😅😂

That phillipines coin is cleaned, can see it in this video clear as day

I just got back a lot of 5 modern day paid for serves including variety attributions and did not get that serve. Not sure why I am bothering to pay for this service. I have a few more lots already at PCGS so I'll let them complete then reconsider.

GREAT VIDEO, THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ME

TRUST ME , , , I KNOW YOUR PAIN !! DON'T GIVE UP !! BE WELL !!

Lol the intro!

I charged back $700 for an order, they didn't get the correct mint on one coin. Another one was over a gram under weight it wasnt weighed. They also didnt catch a multi stuck and rotated in collar close sequence. That's just the start. I left PCGS and now I am with NGC....no one has done a thing about it from PCGS, many calls, emails, etc. They have done nothing. PCGS is a joke.

That 1952 quarter with the 5c is also incorrect on their website!!

Man that morgan 1898 o is ms 65 ++ all day all year... ...

So PCGS has been making tons of mistakes when it comes to both the denomination on the label and the mint mark! The mint mark is something that is really serious in my opinion. I have seen them mis mark to key dates. On the morgan dollars keep in mind that it has to be a strong strike on both sides to get a ms-65. You need to have full detail in the harline and breast of the eagle. Pcgs is pretty good on the morgans for grading based on strike. However, on some coins like buffalo nickels i have seen them give as high as a ms-66 with a weak strike that has little detail on the tail and head of the buffalo.

NGC and PCGS save their MS 70 for dealers. Once they reach a set number they had out MS 69s to collectors.

They've been taking too many lessons off their horrible brother PSA

They definitely market graded you for the milk spot. The whole coin looks maybe 68 but that milk spot right in the #1 device on the coin will just never get you a 68. I enjoy your videos. You shouldn't let the "haters" frustrate you too much. Their intentions may be of ill will but sometimes what they say about grades or attributions could be right. Just take it for what it is despite the source. As far as the attributions, in doing your research do you look at the die markers to see if they match up with your coin? I think that might be the key.

Acceptance to frustration to miffed to upset to rage🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂 your voice was hilarious the way you went through all the degrees of pissed! I got a 59 quarter with the rev but I’m not seeing it on the pcgs coin app so I wonder if they dont recognize it.

Yeah man I feel bad for you , Pcgs took a big dump on your coins , any other business if a worker made that many obvious mistakes they would be fired , they should say the graders names with each coin .

Man, it looks like it has a carbon spot near his temple on the 1987-D Lincoln cent. That could be the reason for the grade.

Your typical PCGS customer experience herein is why I do not use any grading services directly. I buy and sell graded coins but only when other people have done the work of dealing with these grading gangsters. You should be able to get them to fix and review their mistakes but PCGS does not fully warranty their work. They should be providing you a free shipping label and 1 week turnaround with corrections.

This is why I've been holding off grading coins to PCGS. I can't believe how much they screwed up your variety attributes. I do think your were in the ballpark on your grades. I'm mad that they took your variety money and did not label them as such. A quarter with a 5cents on the label? I've seen this more than once. Damn I'm mad. I may have to send half my pcgs order to ANACS. I guess I don't care about the value of PCGS. Try to sell these, people will greysheet the heck out of you. In today's market you won't make a profit which sucks

I made a video talking about how pcgs seems to grade coins incorrectly quite often, the example I chose was a 2006 Lincoln cent that graded a 67 and another that graded 68. The 67 looked a lot better in terms of quality compared to the 68 and the value between them is pretty substantial. So all in all they should grade with machines that can pick up even the smallest surface defects and use human eye grading to set a base of what it could be?

FB, FH, FS, FBL etc aren’t varieties, they’re strike attributions. So Simone over at PCGS doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

The milk spot knocked it down.

Gidday mate how's it going i hope you are much better after the unboxing of your gradered coins i can't believe they were so wrong with 70percent of your coins pcgs need there heads read so to speak im so sorry mate.Anyway the best of luck with your next orders.kind regards Gregory Lee from Melbourne VIC Australia.Col Cowboy 🤠🇭🇲😁🖐️👍.

ANACS only charges $13 per Coin and they will drop cross grade to PCGS. Yes you gotta send it to another grading company by $13 a coin you can’t beat it.

The worst part of dealing with bad grading is when these bums go out for the 2 martini lunch at the local bar.

Generally, I am of the opinion that PCGS, NGC, etc., are FOS. Excellent videos-👍

Also the graders have to grade so many in a day and then can go home, for instance if they have to grade 500 coins and they can go home and they do that in 5 hours they they leave early but get paid for there 8 hours. So where is the incentive to do a real high quality job.

If the grading services had any respect for their customers, they would offer to conserve coins with PVC residue for an extra fee instead of just stuffing them in a f*** you sleeve and sending them back.

Can I use a silver polishing cloth on my 64 Kennedy's? I have 13 that have been in a Kennedy half dollar bank for 60 years. There's a small amt of tarnish. Thank you.

1) PVC residue is easy to remove yourself by soaking in acetone (not nail polish remover.). 2) There is a space on the submission form to state the variety you want attributed. You didn't state whether you provided PCGS with a CONECA or FS number. 3) The 1959 Type B does look it. The better tell aside from what you shown, is that the arrow tips die underneath the leaf. On a business strike yo can see the tips of the top 3 arrowheads. 4) 1964 Kennedy proofs are common, with a population of over 5000 in PF68 they won't award that grade to a coin with milk spots. 5) Just because a coin is in Mint cello doesn't mean it's not susceptible to environmental damage, since the packaging is not airtight. 6) The bumps on the 1987-D cent are zinc blisters, which unfortunately happen after strike. Those coins are virtually dead smooth when struck, and those bumps are from impurities on the zinc coil before they're plated with copper. Also looks to be a couple spots on the coin, which will only grow with time. 7) Full-Steps, Full-Bands, Full Bell Lines, Full Head, are all strike attributes of a coin, not varieties, and you are NOT supposed to be charged to receive the designation on the slab. I'd say on the 1987-P Jefferson, you got hosed on the FS designation. However keep in mind that 1987-P is incredibly common with FS - even 6 full steps is common, and MS66 is not a good grade. However, the TPGs are very strict with moderns, and usually things like spots or hazing are not looked at favorably. I dunno, you seemed to have gotten enough winners in this sub to offset the "losers." And, with said "losers" it's not always easy to see what they see. I can't really see the doubling on the 1964-D Kennedy and it looks like die deterioration from the video. As to the denomination error on the label, I'm pretty sure PCGS will reholder that coin, but it is not covered under PCGS's guarantee because that is a "Mechanical Error." Overall I think you did OK< but it would be an embarrassment to complain about grades on coins with hazing or PVC residue. Those by the way could be fixed with a simple acetone soak (though you have to be careful with copper not leaving it in to long.) The 1964-D wouldn't even count for Modern because Modern is considered 1965-present. Meaning you'd have to pay a grading fee, plus the restoration fee with is 3% FMV or $10, so it's really not worth it unless you're 100% sure the coin will 66 or better. Or you can just buy a $5 can of acetone at the hardware store, and soak it in a small Pyrex bowl for a few hours, dab the spot with a cotton swab while submerged, and let it air dry. Save yourself the heartache and never send moderns with hazing or green toning.

So the 52 quarter is showing its worth of 75 because they marked it as 5c, they real price of a 52 proof quarter with that grade is 135

I have gotten back with trash in a couple of mine....So you're not the only one.