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This is the 1st I've heard of this. I would think criminal/malpractice charges would have been brought against the both of them.

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That happened in advance America? And both Dr and nurse not investigated and punish for such a criminal act?

My heart goes out to you

Joe Kennedy Senior was asked to resign as our ambassador to England because he was making anti-Semetic statements pro -Nazi😮. Rich man Stupid is as stupid does! Approving a lobotomy on Rosemary because he taught that it would jeopardize John's chances of being president. He would have gotten much more votes if people knew about Rosemary. Really now Joe put that in your hose and pump it. guess who . 😂

These people had money, why didn't they just hire a care giver to take care of this girl, she was a very pretty girl. Maybe a little adhd, or bi-polar.she doesn't look mentally ill, maybe she could of out grow it.

@@marilynshealy9923 she was tested DCD

@@sherinepeterson9519 This poor girl they destroyed her, it was all about power and money. They just wanted to hide her. I wonder if they really understood, the damage that would come out of the surgery.

@@marilynshealy9923 My former Landlord,said his sister married a rich man, that daughter was diagnosed with autism,and the aunt asked me can a person have multiple handicaps I said yes of course. Later on they confessed to me that they put a three-year-old and a home and a group home she's three years oldI'm not judging anyone but there's a lot they could have did for that little girl she's only three years old just diagnosed with autism they said it was hard taking care of her they said the mother go seeing her all the time they said she's gettingthe landlord secretary told me that they pay the group home the taker they got some doctor and they paid to take care of her but they hired the nurses to take care of her, no cuz they were shamed these people here with terrible landlords the secretary told me she said she had a childlike that she wouldn't have it in a home she'll have it at home with her with good schools and diet trying to help the childthey was telling me that's how rich they are they no judges say no police officers they know congressman and and they didn't like us so we just changed the locks and we moved. And I was warned not to move in that apartment was a beautiful apartment but we weren't at peace

@@rachealsiciliano9092 My daughter and her ex husband adopted a child, the mother had mental health issues and father both. They took her at the hospital, she has other children and they watch her, as she will try to hide the babies. The mother was not able to care for a child. When she was younger it wasn't too bad, but as she got older, she got very hard to handle. So she now lives with the father, she can be a danger,, If she doesn't get her own way all hell breaks loose. You have to watch her, every second., she steals food and snacks, the refrig has to be locked and cabinets also. My daughter had moved and she got up, in the middle of the night, went for a walk, no coat on, not even sure if she had shoes on. A women who was out jogging, at 5am found her sleeping on a park bench, in town. That was still in winter. So she called the police, she had her mothers phone and they got the address off of the phone, from a picture. The second time she went for a walk to the store and got walked back after they called the police. This girl is 11-with the mind set of a 3 year old, she will case out what she sees and goes after what she wants when you turn your back. Also makes a great locksmith as she can figure out how to open locks.

It was not so secret- iam 85 and knew yrs back she was put in an institution here in Wisconsin

It really wasn't a secret. My mother, who was born in 1924, told me this story circa 1970 when I was a girl. Everyone knew at the time it occurred, or shortly later, that Rosemary was forced to suffer a lobotomy and then disappeared from public view. As a child, I was horrified by the story of Rosemary then, and as an adult who now realizes what far better options the Kennedy parents had at their disposal, I'm even more horrified now.

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Ever the Queen of England had two cousins,sisters who spent their entire adult lives in care. I read one report that there had been some family trees that had even dropped the girls from the family history. I think thing are straight now. People had strange ideas of why people were mentally disabled. Often blaming the birth mishap or something the mother did during pregnancy. I was told my uncle got special privileges because he was a breach birth, blue baby. Yes , I guessed oxygen dep. during childbirth.

This happened when my daughter was born. "Don't push - the Dr isn't here yet." The bed was under me, my husband caught her while my Dr was getting her scrubs on. Modern medicine - what BS!!!

The nurse story needs a closer look. The fee for a child delivery could not have been that much. There had to be other family present. Was there any disposition on the nurse etc. What took place was a felony in any era. No conspiracies. Just unexplained why. Really sad

I totally agree what kind of a nurse does that

It was standard operating procedure back then and even, as far as I know, through the late 60s when my cousin was born with cerebral palsy for the same reason. If the doctor wasn't there, they didn't get paid, so nurses were told to tell the mom to hold the baby in. And family wasn't allowed in the delivery room back then. I don't know when they finally stopped that practice, but it wasn't just a one time situation.

Different times. You may horrified but others were not. Our presumed, rice paper sensibilities miss the historic context of much we think we know but in reality are clueless.

Christy Wright whatever else she writes in the future I will definitely read. I just loved her energy. Very articulate and researched. I just wanted it to go on and not end the presentation

Brilliantly argued!

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It's called censorship - the Family put a cute story together for people to study if they go looking...

They kept trying to "fix" her. They so desperately wanted her to be "normal". That was the problem. The fact that she was constantly being taken in and out of these schools, Jesus, she must've named at least 15 different schools. The had all this money and they DID use all the resources at their disposal but they went to too far.

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Such a prominent & political family did what they had to do in putting her out of sight but I don't understand the lobotomy??

@@donnawolman150 I don't either!!! It was unnecessary. I think it was done for,"selfish" reasons(To keep her incapacitated).Her parents were very selfish to do that. I'm just saying.

that is a great idea.

A good idea, but bet it doesn't happen.

I imagine that Rose stopped visiting her for at least a couple of reasons,…..she probably thought there was little point in going if Rosemary was unable to respond or became actually distressed by her presence. Also, Rose herself , probably found the experience too sad, to deal with. We are not all made the same ,(just like some people are not cut out to be nurses, for instance) & feel that they can contribute nothing useful. We have no right to try to force them to feel or behave in a way that we feel is correct, especially from the position of hindsight or if one has never experienced a scenario like this…

@@hjd832 All you have to experience is having your own children to know you would never abandon them. Especially if they are sick or disabled. Rose Kennedy was an unfit, uncaring mother. There is no other way to explain her treatment of poor Rosemary.

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we should team .. start resort for people to get better ... your doctors are mentally ill evil people. personality disorders ... even nice ones overdose people like retards .. complete disregard for life . don't even know who bad drugs are and don;t care ... nazis for real ... fraud never ending paper work ... any go check out finish open dialog doc, swedish healing homes is what i would do combined with finish open dialog ... fix these broken wings, another doc.. other place is in vermont . innerfire grand opening video ... learn a lot ... think it was 80's russia kill off people with drugs over doses .. give ya akathisia ... say your suicidla then overdose into behaviors by torture ... make people mentally ill .

i don;t now how ya do it ... studies books on it . prove its wrong and backwards /// 1 month locked up you go crazy or start to. 1 week is usually enough to cause problems trauma ptsd .. take care ... imagine locked in every day no way out . no lunch breaks , threat of forced drugs , maybe drug your food , they can never leave the few rooms ... you get days off to protect your mental health .. sick system .. even during work you get to hang with staff and leave the room . go back with staff .. lol . scary

@@cowpoke02 Seriously, I have no clue what you are talking about. You sound angry & paranoid. And, my word, your English (spelling, grammar...) is deplorable!

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@@nursesusansem I know. He sounds horrible. But he wants to call people who have intellectual disabilities retards. I hate that word.

Really wrong family….too bad that so many children with special needs are born into the wrong families. 😢

If you heard, the doctor was the one to get the fee, so nobody but him could bring the babies into the world. We really should start there.. problem is we think we know better.

She wasn't born into the wrong family she was born into the wrong society.

I believe your conclusion that the problem was "social" concerns is quite unfair to the Kennedy parents. Although this author is critical of Joe and Rose if you listen to the above in full it is clear to me that both parents expended extensive time, money and effort in trying desperately to find a way for Rosemary to be happy as well as learn some independence and learn to get along with others. It was only when she began running away and having horrific temper tantrums and physically attacking others...after she was a tall, and full grown woman. that the worst mistakes were made. The vast majority of such children in those days ended up in institutions because neither society nor the medical and educational experts knew what to do.

I agree with you, Anita! I was a healthy 10 lb. baby at birth, placed for adoption (bio mom was young), adopted at 2 weeks. My mother KNEW something was wrong with me. I was their third adopted child, back then, they taught parents to hold your baby as much as possible, to hold them tight to facilitate the bond. My mom did this and I would cry in pain. They had to take me to multiple drs. before someone would even take her mother's instinct as truth and run tests. Thank God for their persistance! I had congenital hip dysplasia (left leg out of the hip socket). After surgery, and traction, a body cast from the waist down on and off for three years, and countless drs. telling my parents that I would more than likely never walk, be emotionally and mentally delayed, my left leg would never be the same length as the right, etc. etc. etc.....My parents NEVER gave up! Even my paternal grandmother told my parents to return me, as I was "defected" goods....."If you bought a sweater with a hole in it, you'd return it to the store to get one without a hole." "You 'paid' good money to 'get' this child and they've just sattled you with a 'defective' child." "You should ask for a refund or at least they could give you a non-defective child." "You should sue them." All that, from my father's mother! Needless to say, my parents had NO CONTACT with her for years, and even though I was not aware of any of her hatred towards me until I accidentally came across her letters to them and my parents response to her, as an adult, as a child....I always had felt her hatred & dislike for me. Needless to say, after 3 years, I was able to finally walk, to run, to go to public schools, met all my milestones.....no physical issues since, no emotional or mental delays! Thank God my parents NEVER gave up on me when so many thought they should! 45:30, Rose deserved that slap! SHAME ON THEM!!!! Shame on the nurse, that asshole dr. who wanted to make sure he got paid.....but, ultimately, Sweet Rosemary's "parents"!!! You need a licence to drive, to fish, to hunt...but ANY idiot can procreate!!!! The whole story makes me ill!

I agree with you, Anita! I was a healthy 10 lb. baby at birth, placed for adoption (bio mom was young), adopted at 2 weeks. My mother KNEW something was wrong with me. I was their third adopted child, back then, they taught parents to hold your baby as much as possible, to hold them tight to facilitate the bond. My mom did this and I would cry in pain. They had to take me to multiple drs. before someone would even take her mother's instinct as truth and run tests. Thank God for their persistance! I had congenital hip dysplasia (left leg out of the hip socket). After surgery, and traction, a body cast from the waist down on and off for three years, and countless drs. telling my parents that I would more than likely never walk, be emotionally and mentally delayed, my left leg would never be the same length as the right, etc. etc. etc.....My parents NEVER gave up! Even my paternal grandmother told my parents to return me, as I was "defected" goods....."If you bought a sweater with a hole in it, you'd return it to the store to get one without a hole." "You 'paid' good money to 'get' this child and they've just sattled you with a 'defective' child." "You should ask for a refund or at least they could give you a non-defective child." "You should sue them." All that, from my father's mother! Needless to say, my parents had NO CONTACT with her for years, and even though I was not aware of any of her hatred towards me until I accidentally came across her letters to them and my parents response to her, as an adult, as a child....I always had felt her hatred & dislike for me. Needless to say, after 3 years, I was able to finally walk, to run, to go to public schools, met all my milestones.....no physical issues since, no emotional or mental delays! Thank God my parents NEVER gave up on me when so many thought they should! 45:30, Rose deserved that slap! SHAME ON THEM!!!! Shame on the nurse, that asshole dr. who wanted to make sure he got paid.....but, ultimately, Sweet Rosemary's "parents"!!! You need a licence to drive, to fish, to hunt...but ANY idiot can procreate!!!! The whole story makes me ill!

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It's alleged Jk also had a disabled daughter with the very famous actress, Gloria Swanson, who was his mistress at he time...the child was also institutionalized. IT'S TOLD that after Gloria Swanson informed UK that she was pregnant, he ignored her, and she was no lo her able to communicate with him!

@@florenced.kennedy-uribe735 I was just watching a documentary about that. He produced a film for her, he was having an affair, and it produced another child that was similar to Rosemary as far as mental state.

Only one like Joe Kennedy would have committed such an atrocity against women-kind and family

@@sondrasmith2691 well not only Jow. Look at the medical professionals!!!!!! Appalling.

@@bonnylouwho76 No reason to thank me. Thank God Almighty for giving me spiritual discernment. I do not think choose to believe that Joe Kennedy wished to hstm his daughter but as I'd thr csdr in most experimental procedures, there are unintended consequences. Look no further than the huge number of adverse reactions reporting now in response to the COVID vaxx. However, I do think Mr Kennedy could never be satisfied with a "defective" Rosemary and wanted her to be "normal". The cost was extremely high for his mistake. Again, it is a gutwrenching story for Rosemary Kennedy and all of her siblings who lived her.

The lobotomy is still performed today. It is easy to research if you look for psychosurgery. Unfortunately, the terrible results remain the same. Our medical professionals should be held responsible.

@@davidtuck8493 wow 😲😲 it should be out lawed. Unfortunately in this country, medical care is about making a few rich. Not about health!!!!! That is just criminal.

I think that this family would have been more admired and would have proved to be a better example for other families and persons had this father who threw Rosemary away like that.

Agreed Gladys! As a volunteer Special Olympics Nurse Clinical Director; Eunice started such a wonderful opportunity for people with Intellectual Disabilities! Eunice began working with disabled people in her own swimming pool! inclusion "in Life" is so important!

It was a time when mental health hospital had tunnels to get around .I often wonder if that's because they where not to be seen ? They are creepy to this day . 😢 But I think back then they didn't want them to be seen or escape ? Idk I know they where used for patients they didn't know what to do with ugh that history is awful just awful how could they treat a human being like that ? An to have a lobotomy she has to be awake so the Dr knows how far to go they have them sing back then .it's awful how could any one treat another human that way 😢😢 I can't imagine how awful it was for them 😭

I believe it was the nurse who set her up for failure by holding in the birth canal depriving her of oxygen.

Who even knows what was really her true condition ….? Poor darling.

cyberlucy good on Eunice and ted for doing that. and it was a good thing they're all together in heaven.

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Marjorie Mills : What is that supposed to mean? Up with a lot of what?

It was sad. But medical journals were also heralding lobotomy as revolutionary, even the creator was awarded with a nobel peace prize. I can see why desperate patients and their families flocked to Walter Freeman. That said, it seems like Joe wanted it done for all the wrong reasons. To make her docile and co operative, which I guess became the main appeal about lobotomy after people figured out it wasn't curing anyone.

Not telling his wife that he was having her undergo a lobotomy is tragic.

tom black : And what is murder? Is it not sad or tragic?

Eunice did continue to visit her sister. Rosie inspired the Special Olympics

@@louise-yo7kz...her brothers worried about her some. Perhaps if they were not part of the polítical machine and its demandas, they would have de voted more time to her.

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Yes, including Jaqueline.

She really was that girl looks like a movie star.

Stunning. I hate that her father forced her to have a lobotomy. It ruined her life.She didn't even need it.

@@icecol22 Rosemary lived longer than most of her siblings. 😮😮😮

You are way to old to be on the internet.

You need to watch your mouth with soap internet is for any age I am proud of her that she knows how to use the computer and Jimmy one day when you reach her age stop using the computer or you may die before that age.

pamela lamepa Nice try but I'm going to live to a hundred and two and then die like the city of Detroit.

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shame on the haters for doing that to me

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Michele Despland I agree poor girl

When Jack became an embarrassment to the family, his sisters arranged for him to receive a procedure of comparable medical value to Rosemary's -- in the operating theater of Dealey Plaza.

I've never heard of this, where did you get this infi

Michele Despland I don’t think she was mentally slow, I believe she didn’t act as Rose & Joseph required her to act. She might have been dyslexic but I doubt she was mentally dis functional!

As far as appearances go, it is capable of ending the life of a misunderstood little angel full of life. Rosemary Kennedy.😭😭😭

I will as well

#MONTESSORI IS A CULT DEEPLY CONNECTED TO THE KENNEDY FAMILY - WHO RECENTLY KILLED MY ELDERLY GRANDMOTHER IN AUSTRALIA, WHERE CAROLINE KENNEDY IS AMBASSADOR & THEN PLACED A RUSSIAN MERCINARY INSURGENT PRINCIPAL AS HEAD OF THEIR LOCAL MONTOSORRI PROJECT - WITH THE SAME NAME AS MY GRANDMOTHER... THEY ALSO KILLED MY FATHER RS GIRLFRIEND'S EX HUSBAND SO THEY COULD TAKE HIS MULTIMILLION DOLLAR CONOLLLA FARM! OH DO I HAVE SOME FKN STORIES ABOUT THE KENNEDY FAMILY THANKS TO PRINCE ANDREW & GHILSANE MAXWELL'S LITTLE UNDERSTUDY CAROLINE KENNEDY! I BET THEY USED ROSEMARY TO PRODUCE BLOODLINE KENNEDY BABIES OFF THE RECORD, THAT GOD ONLY KNOWS WHAT THEY DO WITH! IT WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN CAROLINE KENNEDY AROUND AN ATTRACTIVE, FORCIBLY DETAINED WOMAN, WHO SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN DETAINED IN AN INSTITUTION TO BEGIN WITH, WHO HAS EXPERIENCED MULTIPLE UNEXPLAINED PREGNANCIES WHILE DETAINED IN A WOMENS ONLY FACILITY - AND THE BEST REASON ANYONE INVOLVED WITH THE GOVERNMENT RAN FACILITY COULD GIVE FOR THESE PREGNANCIES WAS THAT SHE WAS MAKING THEM UP OR THEY WERE ONLY BENIGN, REOCCURING PHANTOM PREGNANCIES THAT DESPITE HAPPENING WHILE IN A HOSPITAL SETTING, NO ONE THOUGHT ANYTHING SHOULD BE EVER DONE TO MEDICALLY TREAT THIS APPARENTLY "NORMAL" CONDITION THAT CONTINUED TO REOCCUR FOR SOME TIME... THATS THE BEST EXPLANATION THEY'VE FKN GOT, WHILE RUNNING AROUND WITH CAROLINE KENNEDY KNOCKING OFF ELDERLY WOMEN & ENTICING PRINCE WILLIAM TO SEND HIS KIDS TO #MONTOSORRI FKN SCHOOLS WITH THE EPSTEIN, PRINCE ANDREW, GHILSANE MAXWELL, KENNEDY SEX TRAFFICKING & PEDOPHILE NETWORK! GO HAVE A LOOK AT ANOTHER PEDOPHILE FRIEND OF CAROLINE KENNEDY, #MALKA LEIFER, AND HER CONTINUED HARASSMENT OF HER FEMALE VICTIMS WHILE PREGNANT. THEY BOTH SPENT YEARS SEXUALLY HARASSING ME TOO, AFTER MALKA WAS FINALLY EXTRADITED FROM ISRAEL DESPITE THE EFFORTS OF CAROLINE KENNEDY!

I truly say this as a concerned, loving Christian, worried for the wellbeing of others. It breaks my heart to hear of praying to anyone besides Jesus and the Father--other imperfect, mortal humans who have been put on a pedestal by other humans. It actually does against Scripture, and they do say to not add or take anything away. Where in the Bible does it say to pray to Mary and human "saints"?

Prayer to dead people get you no where. They cant hear you or do Gods work for you. If you need help pray to God in the name of Jesus.

Protestants people in heaven aren't dead! What a stupid thing to say. Saint Paul wrote of the 'great cloud of witnesses' in heaven who are concerned with our progress to heaven. Also Jesus said there is life after death. How can you believe you have an afterlife in heaven and then say that the people closest to God cannot pray for us, that they are "dead"? What do you think life after death is, if those who are fully alive in Christ in heaven and perfectly aligned to God's will, standing in his presence, are "dead"? Can't you even grasp how stupid it is to say that souls in heaven are "dead"? The STUPIDITY of Protestant traditions of men (Luther and Calvin) are so mind-boggling that Catholics wonder if you just have to be stupid as a prerequisite to being Protestant. The book of Revelation also speaks of the blessed in heaven praying for us. You don't know or understand (or even accept) the WHOLE BIBLE and in your ignorance of the history Christianity and the Bible you pass judgement on things you don't understand based on bigotry and lies you've been told all your life. But Protestantism is a tradition of men started NOT by Jesus but by Luther and Calvin who took the Catholic Bible out of the Catholic Church, tore out all the books they did not believe in and created a false, new, 'Christianity' that's a pack of lies, tore Christ's church into many parts and started western civilization onto the downward slide into relativism, materialism and selfish individualism we see today. Why did Luther want to tear the Letter of James out of the Bible (Bible Christian? Bible haters!)? Because of his lie of 'faith alone' being completely refuted by scripture, so just tear out any parts of scripture that reveal that sola fides and Sola scriptura are lies from Satan. Look up 'faith alone' in the Bible. Where do you find that phrase in the Bible? I dare you to look up 'faith alone' those words exactly, in scripture. When you do, you'll see that Protestantism is a lie and not supported by the Bible. It was totally made up by two men in the 1500s. And you have the diabolical arrogance to call yourself 'Bible Christians' when the Bible itself proves that sola fides and Sola scriptura are diabolical lies. But of course, you have to be stupid to believe Luther's lies and Calvin's casuistry, so it's no point talking to brain dead bigots.

Those in heaven are aware of the prayers of those on earth. This can be seen, for example, in Revelation 5:8, where John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of “golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.” But if the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God, then they must be aware of our prayers.

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We're come on a little

mary morgan thank you Mary for those words you were head on I myself had symptoms of borderline retardation issues when I was younger where I was a slow developer myself (im in my 50s now) however I managed to overcome some of those obstacles by having to take special education classes going to special education school when was younger. Rosemary's case was a little bit more severe than mine however what happened to her did not need to happen she could have lived a somewhat normal life if she lived in this day and age where her condition to be more treatable Unfortunately they didn't have that back in 1940 it was Joe Kennedy did to that poor beautiful young lady was very incomprehensible.

Unless you're in Iceland where children with Down's are aborted as a "cure" - they're quite proud of their accomplishment too... Murder as a "cure" - the irony...

God only knows what he wanted her for

Rose Kennedy was more Evil than Joe. Do you not wish for a special place in Hell for Rose?

I believe he wanted his daughter to be fixed. It wasn't that easy.

In some ways Rosemary benefited from their money.. in some ways she didn't God was looking after her all along.

Do you think God gave them the stroke? So he would know what it was like to be disabled? What do you think?

When you look at all the places that they put Rosemary, and the hormone therapy too with the lobotomy, it seemed like they were trying to fix her or find a way.

@margaret Rosemary the Scapegoat

Thereskure is a lot of hateful people on this channel.

A botched lobotomy crippled her. Rip🙏🏾

@Janet Woods There is factually no such thing as a mental illness, as that has since been exposed as being invented by the pseudo medical industries of psychology, psychiatry, etc and what is referred to erroneously as "mental illness" is actually due to subjective individual factors - for example such as alcoholism, exposure to pharmaceutical drugs, environmental, GMOs, fluoride, and other chemicals, etc, societal stress, hopelessness, immaturity, and spiritual depravity, etc. However, there is such a thing as brain damage and by all verified documentation, Rosemary was tragically a victim of brain damage - when she was still a newborn and her birth was delayed and it resulted in oxygen deprivation and damage to her brain. Hence why she had all of those problems. Sadly, there are still many forms of prenatal brain damage which occur either through intentional or accidental fault of one or both parents as well as through substandard care. If you want more information, please research Wayne Ramsay's discussion on exposing the myth of mental illness, as well as the Psych Victims.com, as well as the Bible itself for more facts. God bless!

@@EmilyGloeggler7984 you sound like a Seventh-Day Adventist. That Homespun Theory is ridiculous, which makes you uninformed.. Tell that to the people suffering from mental illness every day of their life. As long as there have been people mental illness has existed. How could you think that Theory stands alone? The treatments have been abysmal as have people's lack of understanding.

....some nurses treated the Docs, like gods...enterprisebaby....!! They would do anything for their own job-security & Nazi-like, control over people, places & things....😯😯😯😯...Thanks, for your input !!!

everybody made a contribution to this mess ; and it continues today ; bad science is tolerated and touted as acceptable profit making as it makes us all sick ; being a murderer seems to make presidential candidates more attractive too ; lots of soul searching needs to be done if anyone can find their soul in this purposefully spiritually bankrupt world and yes he was a bootlegger and had ties to the mafia /organized crime

Starting in the early 1940s, my grandmother-with a BS in nursing--delivered babies when doctors would show up late at night, show up drunk, or not at all. Thank God she was smart enough to take the bull by the horns. I don't know if it was because, when she was born in 1922, the obstetrician (in a hospital) was so drunk, he filled out the paperwork improperly, and he damaged my great-grandmother's system forever. (She could never have more children.) It's really tragic that when Rosemary was born, she didn't have a nurse who knew better than to make her mother's womb a virtual death chamber for her, as the oxygen deprivation was sealing her fate.

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realize that this is Rose's version of the story. The nurse might have said that. However, Rose also might have wanted to place blame rather than admit that a Kennedy was born with intellectual deficits.

As most presidents.. it's almost as if it's a recomendation

The Kennedy men cause me to feel more and more sick and disgusted every single day.

Dee walker I know this comment was over 5 years ago, but as the mama of a son with down syndrome, I have to say thank you for your work!

me too-wonderful. i don't understand some of the mean comments demeaning her appearance and saying she's obviously so full of herself. i didn't get that impression at all. she's a wonderful author. i would love to read her books. very bright thoughtful intelligent woman.

...you are spot-on, Janel....my own Mother has told me stories about these Nazis nursing practice, when she birthed the 6 of us....but, luckily, my Grandmother, was a midwife, so my Mother, knew a few things about birthing....Doctor's always kept women, in-the-dark, about their own bodies & ESPecially, childbirth....humans have wicked-ways to hurt each other....Thank-you, for your input, Janel....😀😀😀

I wouldn’t let nurse ratchet touch me.

But the nurse was told to stop the birth until the doctor arrived so that he would receive his payment... She was only doing as ordered.... Remember the era it was in.... Women didn’t speak up then....

@@gaylemillerround123 - Exactly. Nor would I have crossed my legs to prevent nature from taking it's course.

@@pamelanagorr9596 Spot on...my mother was told to "wait" until "her" doctor got to the hospital when she was giving birth, however, my brother didnt follow orders. Out he came with the resident doctor in attendance. My mom always made a point in adding this in his "birthing story", she thought the order was the most ridiculous thing she had heard of. This was 1951.

Like today people believed doctors know it all...

No one "earns" Heaven. Eunice was a devout Catholic. She would have known that salvation is rooted in faith in Jesus Christ as Lord God Incarnate and Savior. But Eunice lived the sort of magnificent life, devoted to helping the afflicted, which truly devout Christians should live, and I don't doubt that her life of faithful discipleship will be acknowledged with great rewards in Heaven.

Nobody earns their way to heaven. Jesus laid down His life. That's the biggest thing ever to happen on this earth. Most people go to hell because they love wickedness and sin. Repent.

@@theonecounttheonecount8477 Amen, good works will never get anyone entrance into heaven. John 14:6 KJV [6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

@@heismightytosave527 I read Scripture. It tells me not to be judgmental. Maybe you missed that part?

@@heismightytosave527 Ephesians 2:8-10 KJV [8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9] Not of works, lest any man should boast. [10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Back then, most rich families who had disabled children, quietly transferred them to institutions to be locked away forever. At least, Joe and Rose tried to keep Rosemary and included her in the family. But they kept trying to "fix" her, they didn't want to accept that there was no fixing her disabilities. And when the threat of a scandal grew and it became difficult to hide her, they fell for those criminal quack doctors who promised to miraculously turn her into a "normal" young woman.

She was becoming sexually active and that’s why she ended up with a lobotomy. OK for her brothers, but an embarrassment because she was a girl.

Disgusting for the beautiful daughter

The Kennedys wee embarrassed and so shocking the Kennedy treated her

@@jude8223 I heard that that she was being sexually promiscuous, my mother said the same.

Indeed. She seems radiant and full of life in those pictures before this "operation". All she needed was proper treatment, and despite her challenges might have had a happy life. Sickening. Even back then there were some parents that would have loved her.

Yes, they certainly had the means to hire the best tutors and nurses and assistants for her to keep her happy and protected. She could have had a happy life... But Joe didn't want the stain of a "retarded" daughter on his family, he had big plans for his sons after all. So he kept trying to "fix" her... and when that didn't work, he found that quack doctor who promised to make her "normal" and turn her into the good obedient little daughter Joe wanted.

I know. For someone who was suppose to give a lecture, she either did not know her facts or was very pro Kennedy. The more I read - from objective sources, this family was a bunch of shady mobbed up elitists.

Oh my goodness, do you feel better now that you have set the record straight. Joe had several occupations. He was a financier a lot longer than he was a bootlegger. She wasn't saying he was a honest man. He had no medical training what so ever and relied on the best medical advice he could get. Even today, no one really knows what was going on with Rose Mary, how were they suppose to know back then what the correct diagnosis was.

Yes, Joe was a bad man, husband, father and American. You are looking from 2016 eyes. Joe was a mess but we are not thinking about Joe. This is Rosemary's life.

Joe was also pro-Hitle; think about that

yes, I actually do. The record SHOULD be accurate.

what Peace is that ? confused in a mental institution ? that is not peace but torture.

@@linanicolia1363 She lived in her own house, across the street from the main institution. I often drive by the house.

Right..

Right? I felt like she was trying to make her sounds really slow when a lot of people who knew her at the time say Rosemary was a independent beautiful young lady who did her best to please her parents of course she had a learning difficulties but it wasn't as bad as the author is making it out to be

cubomania3 she was bipolar I'm sure hence the flirting and bad temper and running off in middle of night in her night gown

+cubomania3 Yes, Rosemary was beautiful, but people with developmental delays can "look normal." I"m not sure about the IQ test that was done when she was very young that said she was in the 60-70 range because she seems to have only been tested once and when test was new. Nonetheless, she certainly had developmental delays. I don't know why it is a problem to admit that. It would be just as tragic that she was lobotomized no matter what her intellectual capacity.

Katie Kat Exactly. My point was that, it seems to me, Joe didn't want a child that couldn't keep up and was increasingly impossible to handle, so he resorted to the "cure" of the time in the "manly manner" of the time. It's clear in Doris Goodwin's book and the recent bio of Joe.

papa joe needed his nutts removed....and the lobotomy!

anna i agree.

I agree with you!

Joe Kennedy was a monster!

either him or her brother Ted

Back then she would have been called mentally retarded. As a child (1960's)we had a neighbor named Renee, she was 28 years old and her mother cared for her from home from the get go. She was also physically disabled had some right side paralyses and rigidness that resulted in a unusual gait but she could play with us kids with abandon. My mom said she was mentally retarded but she too liked Renee and allowed us to include her in our outside play. Earlier, before the 50's the word "feeble minded" would be used, that slipped into her vocabulary every once in a while.

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You don't know that. Rosemary may have committed suicide with her mental illness. God kept her hair for a reason. If she wasn't meant to be here she wouldn't.

Remember they didn't have the therapies and medication that they do today. Without the lobotomy, and the advancement of treatments Rosemary may have done pretty well.

Could have gone the other way for Rosemary. Only God knows. I'm thankful they have better treatments and medication today. Sadly, the advancements are here but they're not always given to the patient. I saw that at the Bayside psychiatric nursing home here in Waukegan Illinois. Pretty much a warehouse. Very sad

As the author pointed out, the Kennedy's had oodles and oodles of money to help their daughter. Whereas, many other patients and families don't.

Many doctors and hospitals may have encouraged Joe as if they were confident it would be a success. Yet, they probably really wanted to use her as a test subject.

there is no curse they were murdered

I feel the same way. They were murdered and the father was cursed bc of what he did to Rosemary

So So True...

COC Yu - Four of their children died tragically after Rosemary had the surgery in 1941; that was a divine punishment for Rose and Joe. Joseph died in 1944, Kathleen in 1948, John in 1963, and Robert in 1968. Both Rose and Joe were alive to see the tragic end of four children. What they did to Rosemary was unforgivable!

@@earth7451 Rose Sr was kept in the dark, this is almost all Joe's sin. He comes off as a narcissistic parent, who saw his sons as an extension of himself

In the 1950’s my mother was ready to deliver in the hospital. It was Summer, the doctor wasn’t available yet, so the nurse told my mom to “cross her legs” so as to delay the birth. Luckily the baby was healthy.

The doctor would have collected his fee anyway.They still do to this day,even if delivered by a nurse or even an ER doctor.I mean what insurance provider checks to see if the OB/GYN was even there?

Yup

When I was watching this I could help but be memorized by her beauty she was really beautiful. I think she was the prettiest one of all the Kennedy’s.

@@jessicamarie8299 i do too. terrible shame what happened to her💔

To byla banda mordercow!!!!!

....you are right, Brenda...ppl believe that Docs are Supreme....they are just $$$, book-smart & have clinical experience ...but we do, need GOOD Docs, who don't PRey, on their Patients...clearly, Dr. Freedman, ( wasn't he a psychiatrist ? ) was a dangerous man who learned lobotomy, in Ecuador & hobnobbing with Mengele'-type, Docs, over there....power, $$$ & fame....the TRUTH, sets us FRee & can be most.... TRAgic.....at the same time....😢😢😢😢

Brenda: Well said! Right on. So many ppl are totally lacking in common sense.

exactly Brenda Don't be afraid to question your dr or ask for a second opinion, its YOUR life

Back then patients didn' have rights like they do now. The so-called doctors who did this surgery weren't successful at all, but Joe plowed ahead anyway

Check out the book Eunice the Kennedy who changed the world. It is talked about on youtube. Much more good came out of this do to Eunice pressing her brothers to create laws that have made such a difference. The woman was a force to be reckoned with.