Ross MkI: Canada's First Battle Rifle

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Sir Charles Ross was heir to a very wealthy Scottish family, and was a talented if temperamental engineer. He took an interest in firearms and their design, and worked with American and English connections to produce a line of his own straight--pull sporting rifles. Upon returning from the Boer War he looked to expand into the military market.
At this same time, the Canadian government was looking to replenish its arms supplies after the war, and requested Enfield rifles form the British. The request was turned down, as Britain did not have enough supply to spare any form the Canadians. The Canadians were expected to construct their own factory to make rifles oft he standard British pattern. Well, the Canadian government was not eager to invest that sort of capital into the project. They investigated buying arms elsewhere, but the consensus was that Canada's armaments should come from either Britain or from within Canada itself. No good solution was apparent until Sir Charles Ross stepped in.
Ross offered to fund the construction of a factory himself, and use Canadian labor and industry to manufacture Ross rifles for the military. This seemed like an excellent solution - for zero initial cash outlay, the Canadian government would get rifles both designed and produced domestically! The rifles would be chambered for the standard .303 British cartridge, thus handling the British objections about arms compatibility (Ross pointed out that the British themselves used something like 7 different patterns of rifle at the time).
In 1902, Ross and the Canadian government signed a contract for 12,000 rifles to be made in 1903 and 10,000 per year thereafter, at the price of $25 each. In addition to the Canadian military, the Royal North West Mounted Police also adopted the new Ross rifle. Deliveries did not actually begin until 1905, and when they did plenty of disturbing problems arose. The rifles proved fragile and unreliable - and a weak bolt latch periodically allowed the bolt to fall completely out of the rifle on parade drill - not a good start!
Only 10,000 of the Mark I Ross rifles were made, and an improved Mark II pattern would follow as quickly as Ross could make it a reality.
Many thanks to the private collectors who allowed me access to their rifles to make this video!
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@MrLoobu
@MrLoobu 4 жыл бұрын
To be fair, a lot of people went into WW1 thinking it was going to be a noble sporting event. It would have been hard to forsee that entire armies would be sitting in mudd puddles for 5 years straight.
@zelpyzelp
@zelpyzelp 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly, WW1 was started back when people still had the idea that wars were glorious battles where men fought each other over honor. What we got instead was a senseless bloodbath in the mud, waged over ridiculous senses of obligation and a desire to test out the fancy new weapon technology.
@scottorgan2255
@scottorgan2255 4 жыл бұрын
Ww1 British commanders what oh lets attack with those colonials, ie australians,new Zealand and Canadiens at what was it called....oh yes Gallipoli LEST WE FORGET
@Ukraineaissance2014
@Ukraineaissance2014 4 жыл бұрын
@@scottorgan2255 Far more british died than 'Colonials' at Gallipoli. Huge amount of those colonials were also originlly born in Britain (upto 80% in some Canadian regiments). Plenty of decent British commanders as well, particularly Allenby
@nunyabidniz2868
@nunyabidniz2868 4 жыл бұрын
@@scottorgan2255 Ironically, when the Royal Navy scouting force saw Gallipoli was virtually undefended, they could have sent a few squads of Marines ashore to hold it while they sent for some reinforcements from Egypt [two days sailing away.] A year later when GB *finally* mounted the official operation, the opportunity had been well & truly lost...
@henrypollock7987
@henrypollock7987 2 жыл бұрын
If galipoli was a succes it would have been called a british victory just like damascus anzacs always getting fucked over but happened abit less when monash started pushing hard
@moosemaimer
@moosemaimer 4 жыл бұрын
drill instructor: *You will treat your rifle with utmost respect! It will keep you alive!* also drill instructor: just launch it into the pavement, it looks cool
@EldarKinSlayer
@EldarKinSlayer 4 жыл бұрын
My Drill instructor,"Hit that fore end like you want to knock it off!" Me,"hmmmm", rigs fore end to come off when slapped. Drill Instructor, "What kind of smart ass are you Private? Drop and keep pushing until I get tired."
@Isaac-ho8gh
@Isaac-ho8gh 4 жыл бұрын
That's what macho manliness does, its stupidly such a meme lol
@bigmike-
@bigmike- 4 жыл бұрын
"How many express sights do you want?" "Yes."
@nunyabidniz2868
@nunyabidniz2868 4 жыл бұрын
"Express sights: for rapid sight ranging changes for charging animals danger close." [He must have hunted a lot of cheetahs, to need express sights out to 500 yds!]
@CaptainGrief66
@CaptainGrief66 4 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, I thought they were a Picatinny rail for a second
@philt5782
@philt5782 3 жыл бұрын
@@CaptainGrief66 LOL
@samholdsworth3957
@samholdsworth3957 2 жыл бұрын
@@CaptainGrief66 BRUH
@enrico3453453
@enrico3453453 4 жыл бұрын
the more you described mr. ross my mental image of him turned more and more into groundskeeper willy
@nunyabidniz2868
@nunyabidniz2868 4 жыл бұрын
Only add a big potbelly; Willy is a bit wiry, whereas Ross ran to being stout. But yeah, same irascible nature...
@homeofthemad3044
@homeofthemad3044 Жыл бұрын
"[Charles Ross] retired in St. Petersburg, Florida where he was known for wondering around wearing pajama bottoms and a pith helmet and recklessly driving a Chrysler Imperial. He died in 1942 with the last words being to his nurse 'get the hell outta here'" -C&Rsenal
@highlandoutsider8148
@highlandoutsider8148 4 жыл бұрын
Woah, had no idea that this Ross was a local Ross, I'm watching this half a mile from his estate, weird coincidence
@theluftwaffle1
@theluftwaffle1 4 жыл бұрын
You know what that means? Means you need to storm over there and give Ian a big hug.
@jonathanlunger2775
@jonathanlunger2775 4 жыл бұрын
@@theluftwaffle1 lol made me smile
@gullreefclub
@gullreefclub 4 жыл бұрын
Learn something everyday
@theluftwaffle1
@theluftwaffle1 4 жыл бұрын
Jonathan Lunger2 glad to help.
@slowpokebr549
@slowpokebr549 4 жыл бұрын
@@theluftwaffle1 Keep your Heinkels to yourself Hermann
@exploatores
@exploatores 4 жыл бұрын
herr Hauptman, I know who is in the trenches on the other side, It´s the Canadians. I can hear curse words in english and french.
@a.rogers1403
@a.rogers1403 4 жыл бұрын
And Scottish.
@bryanb3194
@bryanb3194 4 жыл бұрын
TABARNAK!
@someguyfromquebec2302
@someguyfromquebec2302 4 жыл бұрын
ESTI DE BOUETE A MARDE de sAINT CIBOIRE DE CALISS
@TheTiberianWolf
@TheTiberianWolf 4 жыл бұрын
Mainly cursing over their rifles
@HomoChomsky
@HomoChomsky 4 жыл бұрын
@@someguyfromquebec2302 I like to think that's what a lot of Québécois said verbatim in the trenches back in the day.
@luisantolafrancis519
@luisantolafrancis519 4 жыл бұрын
"No errors just happy litle accidents"...Bob Ross ...coincidence??
@enigmaticl7
@enigmaticl7 4 жыл бұрын
LUIS ANTOLA FRANCIS I think not
@luisantolafrancis519
@luisantolafrancis519 4 жыл бұрын
@@enigmaticl7 jjajaja Hi L L ! just kidding!!
@KPen3750
@KPen3750 4 жыл бұрын
To quote Othais about Ross himself, "He is a majestic, majestic creature in history."
@Autobotmatt428
@Autobotmatt428 4 жыл бұрын
I thought it was "lovable son of a bitch."
@Oblithian
@Oblithian 2 жыл бұрын
lol
@JTViper
@JTViper 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the work you put into these beautiful Canadian rifles. It's so uncommon to see anyone pay attention to Canadian... Well... Anything; we're so often a Forgotten Country. I, like most Canadian kids, grew up hearing how terrible the Ross Rifle was and how it was responsible for so many Canadian WW1 deaths. What we DIDN'T learn was how loved it was by sharpshooters, how the worst malfunctions were due to poor field fuddling done by ignorant soldiers and how wonderful they really were to shoot by those who understood them. Thanks, Ian; your videos have restored a bit of honour to what's often a black mark on Canada's history.
@jameshealy4594
@jameshealy4594 4 жыл бұрын
As an Aussie who lived in Canada for a while, I for one will never forget you, I think we have a lot in common and have never felt more at home overseas.
@spac3fr0g
@spac3fr0g 4 жыл бұрын
@@Kipplauf It isn't misspelling. It is English (British) English and they have "u" in some words that isn't written in American English.
@tokul76
@tokul76 4 жыл бұрын
@@spac3fr0g smile. there is an invisible humour sign in that comment.
@nunyabidniz2868
@nunyabidniz2868 4 жыл бұрын
One of the things [that I'm sure Ian will explain in the Mk3 vid] that worked against the Ross in field service during WW1 (as explained in _The Ross Rifle Story_ book Ian reviewed several months ago) as incorrect chamber-reaming in combination with out-of-spec wartime ammo production. Basically, Ross [being an avid sportsman & marksman] had all the rifles chambered tightly, for maximum accuracy potential. Combine that with rapid fire [barrel heats up, metal expands at different rates] and ammo that's at the large end of tolerance (or beyond) and the potential for jams should be obvious. Let's not forget mud and the Ross' infamous potential for incorrect reassembly leading to injury [mostly resolved by the time of the Mk3 as I understand its history, but nothing can ever be made foolproof, for as soon as one tries, a more accomplished fool is uncovered...] The Ross was adequate as a specialist's weapon, but it clearly did not display the best set of attributes as a general issue implement of battle.
@Kipplauf
@Kipplauf 4 жыл бұрын
@@spac3fr0g Being sarcastic bro, making fun of the U in British English that they throw in Honour and Colour and a few others..
@inutted4594
@inutted4594 4 жыл бұрын
My grandfather had a Ross rifle and a Lee rifle. But sadly my grandmother house was robbed in the early 90s. But I did shoot them when I was about 11 or 12 and they we're awesome to shoot. As a Canadian always good to learn about Canadian history
@grimaldusable
@grimaldusable 10 ай бұрын
We have those thieves over here as well; the ATF.
@ZachLagrandeur
@ZachLagrandeur 3 жыл бұрын
I live in Québec City, Canada, where the Ross Rifle Company made these rifles, on the Plains of Abraham. I regularly walk where the factory once stood! Nice rifle, strange history.
@jacksonmacpherson6101
@jacksonmacpherson6101 4 жыл бұрын
1:05 and that my friends is the biggest understatement ever put forward on this show
@AJCzarkowski
@AJCzarkowski 10 ай бұрын
I was so surprised to see Hartford, Connecticut stamped on the receiver of a Canadian rifle. As someone who's lived in Connecticut my whole life, I can't tell you how many times I've seen vintage and antique firearms that were developed all over the world, and are attributed to so many different countries, yet have a large portion of their manufacture in Connecticut.
@matthayward7889
@matthayward7889 4 жыл бұрын
Gorgeous rifles, all of them!
@seeks4627
@seeks4627 4 жыл бұрын
My great grand father fought in the 38th battalion out of OTTAWA in WW1 . They did not like Ross rifles they much preferd Lee Enfield I think due to mud . He fought in Vimy ridge and was stuck in the mud over night during that battle as that particular section was bogged down so they could not advance. I have a Ross rifle butt stock that has beautiful carvings on it that he carved during the war in the trenches (while things were quite obviously). I think that's probably the best thing they used the Ross for lol ,they were hated rifles I'm told . Now to watch the video ! Thank you for making this.🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
@JTViper
@JTViper 4 жыл бұрын
Vimy* Come on, dude; get it right.
@seeks4627
@seeks4627 4 жыл бұрын
@@JTViper Wups, I'll fix it
@dannythehonestgamer6051
@dannythehonestgamer6051 4 жыл бұрын
The Ross rifle. A good sporting rifle. A not so good military rifle.
@Ghost48888
@Ghost48888 4 жыл бұрын
From what I understand the reason it was so unreliable was because it was chambered in a British round that was ever so slightly to large.
@TheBulap
@TheBulap 4 жыл бұрын
@@Ghost48888 IIRC the British-made ammunition was made to a much looser spec - a Lee had greater tolerances that would let it eat lower-quality rounds without issue, but not the Ross. And that wouldn't be an apparent problem until they brought the rifles to Europe and started using British ammunition.
@bookreaderman6715
@bookreaderman6715 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheBulap also fighting in muddy trenches didn't help the low tolerances either
@OTDMilitaryHistory
@OTDMilitaryHistory Жыл бұрын
Well said!
@randomassname445
@randomassname445 Жыл бұрын
Its an excellent sniper rifle
@connerymilne6466
@connerymilne6466 4 жыл бұрын
A good rifle crippled by scandal and corruption and actually having to fight a war
@AtholAnderson
@AtholAnderson 4 жыл бұрын
It was a great target/hunting rifle...but should have never seen combat.
@jonathanlunger2775
@jonathanlunger2775 4 жыл бұрын
@@AtholAnderson back in the day a hunting rifle was better than the guns used in war
@christianweibrecht6555
@christianweibrecht6555 4 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanlunger2775 Mauser rifles: are we jokes to you?
@ShooterQ
@ShooterQ 4 жыл бұрын
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine I humbly request the source for the touching of tips story.
@zackzittel7683
@zackzittel7683 4 жыл бұрын
That’s what they said about the model 70 Winchester.... “not tough enough for a sniper/marksman platform, why don’t we put a 2x scope on a Garand?” You’ll never convince me the pre 64 rifles weren’t tough enough for marksmanship roles.... I don’t have any time on a Ross so it’s. But they are intriguing
@slowpokebr549
@slowpokebr549 4 жыл бұрын
The stairwell was a perfect backdrop. It had nice lighting, good acoustics and just enough eye appeal.
@kylebell7323
@kylebell7323 4 жыл бұрын
Man I really gotta get one of these. They are truly beautiful and as long as I don’t find myself in a trench they should be nothing but fun. Too bad .303 is way too expensive now.
@zidan1hao917
@zidan1hao917 4 жыл бұрын
keep the lady clean and oiled, nothing will fail
@roadsweeper1
@roadsweeper1 4 жыл бұрын
Reloading your own is the only way to go with 303 now, at least in the UK anyway. Only way I keep my SMLE fed. Buying factory loaded rounds is stupidly expensive
@paradigmstudiosca
@paradigmstudiosca 4 жыл бұрын
yeah buddy reloading is the way to go. I've got a handful of enfields I keep fed fairly inexpensively via reloading.
@nunyabidniz2868
@nunyabidniz2868 4 жыл бұрын
Ross sold a lot of sporters in proper hunting cartridges. You might be able to find one of those, and they're probably less expen$ive, since they're not a "rare military collectible..."
@nunyabidniz2868
@nunyabidniz2868 4 жыл бұрын
@@roadsweeper1 All factory loaded rounds have basically doubled in price since the early '00s; you can blame it on rapid development in China & India [huge populations] driving demand for copper, zinc (& to a lesser extent, lead) raising the cost of materials.
@craigharness3156
@craigharness3156 4 жыл бұрын
Hey if you read the book a rifleman went to war it’s a good reference for how soldiers felt about the rifle
@dbmail545
@dbmail545 4 жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly, the author blamed most of the problems with the Ross being caused by low quality ammo.
@a.rogers1403
@a.rogers1403 4 жыл бұрын
@@dbmail545 If I can recall correctly (too lazy to look it up), the author Herbert McBride's machine gun platoon liked to 'procure' all the Canadian made ammunition (or any recognized good British stuff as well I'd guess) since it was built to a higher standard, as the poorer ammo tended to jam up his Colt machineguns. Given how much ammo the light and heavy machineguns used, it makes me wonder how often it was EVER possible to the average soldier to find good ammo.
@craigharness3156
@craigharness3156 4 жыл бұрын
Yes that’s what he said they would swell up in the chamber. It’s amazing that brass was still an issue after 50-60 years in use.
@paradigmstudiosca
@paradigmstudiosca 4 жыл бұрын
@@craigharness3156 mass production and government procurement requirements at its finest haha.
@mcchicken1849
@mcchicken1849 4 жыл бұрын
I just watched your old video on the Ross Mark 3 yesterday, talk about timing!
@coreymerrill3257
@coreymerrill3257 4 жыл бұрын
Very cool. I loved seeing that Kynoc .375 flanged(rimmed) ammo box. I didnt see of it was the steel jacketed bullets or not. Very interesting stuff!
@NSluiter
@NSluiter 4 жыл бұрын
My grade 9 history project keeps finding ways to haunt my ass. I looked up 1 video 5 years ago, and I'm still getting recommendations about the Ross Rifle to this day. KZfaq can't recommend stuff i watch every day but it can sure as hell recommend something related to what I watched once five years ago.
@jesusdontlikethatimgaybuts9493
@jesusdontlikethatimgaybuts9493 2 жыл бұрын
just clear your history lol
@Chetanoo
@Chetanoo 4 жыл бұрын
Always nice to learn somethink new. Thank you.
@chuckcochran8599
@chuckcochran8599 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. The story of the Ross Rifle is an interesting anecdote in Great War history.
@monkeyship74401
@monkeyship74401 4 жыл бұрын
Lovely examples. I can see that keeping the bolt near the rifle would be important in combat. Maybe even while on the range... Thanks again Ian!
@stephenland9361
@stephenland9361 2 жыл бұрын
A story from the Canadian trenches of WWI that may or may not be true... A soldier was returning from no-man's land one night after being sent out by his sergeant to do a little reconnaissance. He came back and was found to be without his Ross rifle. "Where in hell is your god damned rifle, private?" thundered the red faced sergeant. - "I didn't take it, sergeant." "You went out without your rifle, you sunofabitchin' idjit?" - "Well sergeant, I figured I was safer without it."
@Dave1-08
@Dave1-08 4 жыл бұрын
The "Myth and Reality" episode about the Ross Rifle from 6 years ago was the first video from Forgotten Weapons that I saw. I've been a fan of the channel ever since. Keep up the great work Ian!
@zacharyrollick6169
@zacharyrollick6169 4 жыл бұрын
The only thing that irked me about that video was that he didn't place the ballistic substance where the shooter's face would actually be.
@gijoe41688
@gijoe41688 4 жыл бұрын
cool fact.. ross rifles dont function correctly unless its lubed with maple syrup
@calamusgladiofortior2814
@calamusgladiofortior2814 4 жыл бұрын
You got to use the good stuff though, bud. If you put Aunt Jemima in there it’ll gum ‘er right up, eh? If she freezes up on you, just pour a double-double down the barrel and you’ll be ready to give ‘er again in no time, eh?
@LeeThule
@LeeThule 4 жыл бұрын
More Ross rifle vids plz . Can't wait to put them all in a playlist.
@remko1238
@remko1238 4 жыл бұрын
These videos just NEVER get boring 👏🏿
@goreobsessed2308
@goreobsessed2308 4 жыл бұрын
so many random cool guns i had no idea existed love you bro
@Relyt345
@Relyt345 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if this is why we still have a domestic rifle factory to this day. Awesome video, can’t wait for more!
@OutOfPrintGM
@OutOfPrintGM 4 жыл бұрын
Cool video thanks for the work you do
@orionmelton3226
@orionmelton3226 3 жыл бұрын
Getting a mark 2 soon. Very excited.
@penumbraenigmatica3252
@penumbraenigmatica3252 4 жыл бұрын
🍁🍁 Right on, Ian... I appreciate the background history on the Ross... 🍁🍁
@AKS-74U
@AKS-74U 4 жыл бұрын
Yay for more Ross videos!
@iainsmith6643
@iainsmith6643 4 жыл бұрын
Another good video with the bonus of a splendid staircase.
@jacksoncz8536
@jacksoncz8536 4 жыл бұрын
What caliber is the sporting rifle? How much did Ross' ammo inspire/contribute to the development of the cartridge for the P-13? Great video per usual. Thank you
@fellower
@fellower 4 жыл бұрын
damn, I was actually looking to see if you had looked at this piece of history the other day!
@SgtKOnyx
@SgtKOnyx 4 жыл бұрын
Not this one specifically, but he has looked at the mk III in the past
@terryreynolds9397
@terryreynolds9397 4 жыл бұрын
I really would have liked to see you demonstrate the activation and workings of the magazine cutoff. It is somewhat different from other cutoff methods.
@TheLazySamurai
@TheLazySamurai 4 жыл бұрын
Just after I finish reading the quickstart guide for Ross Rifles (the WWI based tabletop RPG). Damn nice timing there :P
@loupiscanis9449
@loupiscanis9449 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you , Ian .
@peoplespartyanimal8066
@peoplespartyanimal8066 4 жыл бұрын
Jeez Ian, 1.38 million subscribers! Good for you friend.
@kathryn3675
@kathryn3675 4 жыл бұрын
if you ever get the chance to look at one could you explain how the mechanism in the GSh-23 cannon works?
@jerryjohnsonii4181
@jerryjohnsonii4181 4 жыл бұрын
Very Cool an beefy rifle. I would love to have one in my collection. Thanks for showing it Gun Jesus !!!!!!!!!!
@EldarKinSlayer
@EldarKinSlayer 4 жыл бұрын
You need to get in touch with Rob at British Muzzleloaders, he has recently acquired a MkIII Ross and is producing his usual awesome videos about same.
@asteroidrules
@asteroidrules 4 жыл бұрын
Seems like the "dump" magazine design would work quite well if the rifle were using rimless cartridges, it's almost like a hybrid of the Krag and Mauser styles.
@thibaudduhamel2581
@thibaudduhamel2581 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Ian, i was rifling through some of your older videos and wondered what happened with your hotchkiss universal SMG? Did you get rid of the barrel extension?
@goodhunter3831
@goodhunter3831 4 жыл бұрын
Love the look of the Ross mk1
@F1ghteR41
@F1ghteR41 4 жыл бұрын
3:44 So, in Russian terms this early Ross rifle is a shotgun, chambered in .375 Flanged Nitro Express? 16:02 One can say that the adoption of the Ross rifle is not dissimilar to the way AAA games are published these days.
@exploatores
@exploatores 4 жыл бұрын
Something that might look good on the paper, but kind of sucks when someone should use it for something in real life :)
@F1ghteR41
@F1ghteR41 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure what you are referring to, and if I may hazard a guess, that's about Ross rifles in general, in which case I agree with you.
@williamhart4896
@williamhart4896 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks from Alberta Canada
@gregorycooke3273
@gregorycooke3273 Жыл бұрын
Ian, There is a small screw on top front of the bolt of both the Mki and the Mki*. I may have to replace that screw. Do you know it's purpose and whether it is a common enough screw size and thread to be replaced?
@Hadanelith1
@Hadanelith1 4 жыл бұрын
so, uh...what's the deal with the big knurled ring in front of the sight on the 1*? It appears kinda sight related (looks to have some very rough graduations on it), but I can't really work it out and you glossed right over it.
@bennettguns3809
@bennettguns3809 4 жыл бұрын
What is the round black circle near the end of the bolt? Plastic or bedding material for bedding purposes?
@limpetarch98k
@limpetarch98k 4 жыл бұрын
8:18 AM, exams are on the way ... quite a big breeze when your discord tells you that Gun Jesus released a video about the original Ross rifle. Remember, a surge of gun porn never hurts.
@Roguephilsopher
@Roguephilsopher 4 жыл бұрын
Always remember to give thanks to gun jesus, our lord and savoir.
@TheWarmotor
@TheWarmotor 4 жыл бұрын
@@Roguephilsopher Amen.
@limpetarch98k
@limpetarch98k 4 жыл бұрын
@@Roguephilsopher Amen, as always.
@ProSimex84
@ProSimex84 4 жыл бұрын
Canada- Hey Britain, you know those wars we keep fighting with you? We need some more guns to keep that up, I've got my cheque book here somewhere. Britain- No Canada-.......
@wierdalien1
@wierdalien1 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah it was a bit dumb
@dude97x
@dude97x 4 жыл бұрын
Random Scottish lad: I can build my own factory pro bono and start building these rifles that I developed and it will employ Canadian labor if you will buy them! Canada: Sounds great! How soon can you start? Britain: Hey! You promised to use OUR rifles! Canada: Well sell me some then? Britain: .......... eh, no.
@genericpersonx333
@genericpersonx333 4 жыл бұрын
To be fair, the idea of Canada joining Britain in wars as a large expeditionary force was literally new in the Boer War. Before then, Canada's armed forces were specifically to defend Canada and only Canada. Great Britain had little reason to consider arming Canada a priority as it had a lot of serious problems with its own military to sort out. The Boer War had severely stressed British society and its weapons were all were proving disappointments despite years of expensive development. Canada coming along and demanding new weapons precisely when the British are panicked that they may have to literally scrap all their own rifles was not going to have a positive result for Canada.
@ProSimex84
@ProSimex84 4 жыл бұрын
@@genericpersonx333 that is a reasonable point
@genericpersonx333
@genericpersonx333 4 жыл бұрын
In all fairness to Canada, though, I think the British deserve some shade for their failure to properly respect the Canadians for their enthusiastic services in the war as well. Faults on both sides for sure: Canada for expecting a little too much of the British at a bad time and the British for not doing more to find a reasonable compromise.
@dalecurtis9963
@dalecurtis9963 4 жыл бұрын
Are you going to do anything in regards to the Ross Mrk 2? I've recently picked up a sporterized one and I'm about to start to process of restoring it but I want more information on said rifle before I start.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, I have videos coming on the MkII and MkIII.
@RussianBlue4S
@RussianBlue4S 4 жыл бұрын
First rule of restoring Rosses: don't, unless you are willing for it to cost more than purchasing an unshorn original. The missing parts were usually thrown out en masse and are not to be found for any reasonable price these days. Some inroads have been made to making reproduction parts, but it is a treacherous path.
@dalecurtis9963
@dalecurtis9963 4 жыл бұрын
@@RussianBlue4S I paid 140 bucks and everything on it was good besides the barrel and furniture so I'm looking at having a total investment of around 800ish (including what I paid) if my Canadian to American dollars is right.
@InquisitorJack
@InquisitorJack 4 жыл бұрын
Forgotten Weapons Thank you very much. I’m hoping to get a MK II in the RIA November auction, and would love more information on it
@biteursknbiteurskn
@biteursknbiteurskn 4 жыл бұрын
@@RussianBlue4S Sometimes its not about money, its about saving history
@mahmoodali5043
@mahmoodali5043 Жыл бұрын
Thats the most beautifully finished service rifle I've ever seen
@fg42t2
@fg42t2 4 жыл бұрын
I hope you get a chance to show everyone the cool way the barrel is removed on the #3 Ross rifles. You remove set screws on the bottom of the receiver then easily unscrew the barrel by hand with the fast pitch thread requiring very few turns. It is unlike anything I've seen on any other weapon. Bob
@fg42t2
@fg42t2 4 жыл бұрын
Ian Shows the fast receiver threads on the Mark 2 Ross's in the episode posted 10/30/19 thanks?
@mouthbreather280
@mouthbreather280 3 жыл бұрын
Watching exactly a year later on October 28th 2020.
@andrewmack191
@andrewmack191 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Ian, were any of those rifles chambered in .280 Ross? I'm very interested in that cartridge but, can't seem to find much information about it.
@bradyelich2745
@bradyelich2745 4 жыл бұрын
No. The .280 Ross cartridge was the hunting round made for the sporting rifle in 1906.
@kingofthreadsable
@kingofthreadsable 4 жыл бұрын
Nice video! Is there a reason why finding a Ross Mk1 is so difficult? the Mk2 and Mk3 are easy to find online but I have never seen a Mk1 for sale.
@nunyabidniz2868
@nunyabidniz2868 4 жыл бұрын
Not many of them made prior to the later improved versions. What mark 1s did get made were issued and generally used up over time [standard attrition over time.] If they went back for a rebuild, they were probably given every update possible, leading to even fewer true Mark 1s over the active life in service.
@RonOhio
@RonOhio 4 жыл бұрын
These videos make me want to find and restore an old Ross as a shooter. Which is crazy impractical.
@JamesPawson
@JamesPawson 4 жыл бұрын
I like that you used the correct flag in the thumbnail. I wish that was still our flag.
@socialyawkwardandrew7673
@socialyawkwardandrew7673 2 жыл бұрын
Nothing beats the maple leaf you red coat
@lmbfrank
@lmbfrank 4 жыл бұрын
Creed: BOBODY, BO. BODY. Ian: B O L T B O D Y
@derekheuring2984
@derekheuring2984 Жыл бұрын
My Grandfather and two Great-Uncles were members of the 100th Battalion of the Winnipeg Grenadiers and shipped overseas in 1915. All three would have been issued Ross MkIII rifles. Unfortunately, only my Grandfather survived the war with one brother being killed when acting as an observer in an RE8 aircraft and was shot down on April 13th, 1917 during 'Bloody April' and his other brother was grievously wounded during the battle of the Somme at Maquet Farm by shrapnel. He was invalided home only to succumb to Influenza just weeks before the end of the war. It was very important for me to have a Ross MkIII in my collection. I've looked for years for a Ross in excellent condition and passed on many in average condition until just recently when near mint British Home Guard MkIII came up for auction. That rifle now resides in a place of honor on my Man Cave wall.
@doraran2138
@doraran2138 4 жыл бұрын
Not being trivial, but why do you use the colloquial term 'nose cap', instead of the more technical 'upper band'? This is serious question. A suggestion for a future video (as if you need one) would be various terms for the same item/part.
@Terabit3
@Terabit3 4 жыл бұрын
That dump magazine system would be FANTASTIC for modern rimless cartridge bolt action rifles
@wikikomoto
@wikikomoto 4 жыл бұрын
what type of bayonet do these take? a standard british one or something canadian made?
@SlickSixguns
@SlickSixguns 4 жыл бұрын
Cool are you going to have a shooting video on it?
@ah848
@ah848 4 жыл бұрын
Ian's doppleganger has something to add at 5:19
@briang530
@briang530 Жыл бұрын
Oh, the Ross! The boondoggle of Canadian procurement that set a grand tradition for the country. Also the rifle where someone must have seen a manlicher 1895 and 1889 Schmidt Ruben and thought to themselves "this won't do at all, we certainly can improve everything with more engineering complications, and far less thought to the end-user". Having shot a few, though I will say that I don't mind the sights, and that on a nice day at Bisley I'd choose it over a SMLE.
@rb239rtr
@rb239rtr 2 ай бұрын
In 1914, the British refused to license the Lee Enfield into Canada and refused to sell Lee Enfields to Canada, so what do you want? Since that experience, the Canadian Army will only purchase a firearm if it is made in Canada, also ammunition.
@whackycracker1987
@whackycracker1987 3 жыл бұрын
Can someone answer me what the dark red metal around the barrel is?
@alborzmoghimi3262
@alborzmoghimi3262 2 жыл бұрын
Ross sounds like a boss character
@Bird_Dog00
@Bird_Dog00 4 жыл бұрын
10:10 Canada: "Hey britain, can we buy some more guns from you?" Britian: "Erm, no." Canada: "'k, we have make our own then, eh?" Britain: "Objection!" me: "ok, that...no, I got nothing..."
@Paperweight64
@Paperweight64 3 жыл бұрын
"If you knew what we have in store for you, you'd know why we don't want you to have guns (yet)."
@richmcintyre1178
@richmcintyre1178 3 жыл бұрын
For some reason, I have never owned a straight-pull rifle. They seem to be a fantastic design. Can you please tell me what you believe their downside is?
@frederik5991
@frederik5991 4 жыл бұрын
It's really odd that Ross went from two locking lugs on MkII to interupted screws on the MkIII. Not only that but also going from a double stack magazine to a single stack between the MkII and MkIII. It makes no sense!
@slowpokebr549
@slowpokebr549 4 жыл бұрын
He was obsessed with target shooting and his rifles reflected that. He was trying to achieve maximum straight line rigidity in the bolt assembly. The Mk III has much more locking surface area and is stronger and more stable under recoil. Early straight pulls and some bolt action designs had zeros that wander over time because the bolt or the bolt head takes a set. The more rigid you make the whole assembly the more predictably accurate it will be.
@jamiebell314
@jamiebell314 4 жыл бұрын
The magazine is simply a case of making a gun easier to produce and use/maintain. The change is locking style is beyond me, but both seem to function just fine
@harrychung433
@harrychung433 4 жыл бұрын
I know windage and elevation is an important factor but are you suppose to be firing a rifle or an artillery piece with that rear sights? I really like your Winter accommodations, Ian. They looks o formally cozy. Just need a polar bear in the background. Eh.
@alohm
@alohm 4 жыл бұрын
*Not our (Canadian, if I may) 'first' per se, but I see what you did there, I clicked and commented... and how could I be mad at GunJesus? Love your work, thanks for highlighting so much regional history.
@jesmoc
@jesmoc 4 жыл бұрын
GunJesus is most accurate...
@vettekid3326
@vettekid3326 4 жыл бұрын
Way back in the 1970's when I started buying old military rifles because they were really cheap then everyone said to not every fire one of the Ross surplus rifles because if not assembled correctly it might kill you so I never bought one even though I could of picked one up for $40 or so back then from a local gun shop that specialized in surplus & antique firearms.
@TheRogueWolf
@TheRogueWolf 4 жыл бұрын
Ian's got an older video up (June 16th, 2013) where he fires one of those improperly-assembled Ross MkIIIs (set on a holding frame, of course) and yeah, it fails pretty spectacularly. Would literally have put someone's eye out.
@Ross-cc7os
@Ross-cc7os 4 жыл бұрын
I need one now :O
@desroin
@desroin 4 жыл бұрын
Funny that this would come out with Halloween around the corner :^)
@williamprince1114
@williamprince1114 4 жыл бұрын
The straight pulls are at great disadvantage compared to turn bolt designs but these straight pulls represent would have seen an obvious developmental path to gas or recoil operated semi automatic actions. If Ross had pursued a semi auto rifle his Ross MK I & II could have been a good place to begin.
@charlesmckinley29
@charlesmckinley29 4 жыл бұрын
Hard to not like one of Ian's videos.
@Whopoopedinmypants
@Whopoopedinmypants 2 жыл бұрын
Great precision rifles for sharp shooting. Terrible in muddy dirty conditions.
@Liamv4696
@Liamv4696 4 жыл бұрын
2.8km iron sight ranging. Honestly, why did people used to think that made sense...
@onelonecelt9168
@onelonecelt9168 4 жыл бұрын
Generals at the time likened the relatively new smokeless powder rifles to mobile artillery batteries, whose fire was most effective at long ranges, the enemy then being softened up by this rain of lead would be driven from the field by mass bayonet charges. Paraphrased from an article I read once.
@Kawawaymog
@Kawawaymog 4 жыл бұрын
2km shots are standard for Canadian Forces. It's a big country
@TheWarmotor
@TheWarmotor 4 жыл бұрын
What is the difference between a cartouche and a roundelle?
@nunyabidniz2868
@nunyabidniz2868 4 жыл бұрын
Cartouche is impressed or engraved [nor necessarily round,] while a roundelle is a round badge that is painted or otherwise attached to a surface? Just guessing here, I can't be arsed to go look it up...
@AnUtterSimpleton
@AnUtterSimpleton 4 жыл бұрын
I though the loose bolt issue extended to firing the rifle. I've heard stories of troops firing it and having the assembly fly out and hit them in the face.
@Cal94
@Cal94 4 жыл бұрын
He did a vid on that years ago. It was more a problem of the rifles being easy enough to assemble incorrectly such that it looked right, but would fire out of battery.
@dempster1234567890
@dempster1234567890 3 жыл бұрын
When you described Ross you just described the whole country of Scotland
@SNOUPS4
@SNOUPS4 4 жыл бұрын
No full disassembly?
@BWo-bb1yw
@BWo-bb1yw 4 жыл бұрын
at 1:26, if you look close, you can see a ghost coming out of the close. happy Halloween!
@MrSqu1nty
@MrSqu1nty 4 жыл бұрын
Groovy background. Something different and not a sheet on a wall yet again.
@humiliated8707
@humiliated8707 4 жыл бұрын
ross is literally saxton hale
@danielyu8022
@danielyu8022 4 жыл бұрын
Very beautiful.rifle.
@SlyPearTree
@SlyPearTree 4 жыл бұрын
Anyone know where the Ross Riffle Company was in Québec? There are a lot towns of bordering the St-Laurent. I tried Google but it seems like my Google-fu is weak. It's just to satisfy my curiosity. Edit: The next video in this series answered my question: Plaines d'Abraham in Québec city.
@bobperrine6193
@bobperrine6193 4 жыл бұрын
Of course you need to standardize with us, but we won't sell you any rifles.
@tokul76
@tokul76 4 жыл бұрын
they will sell Sniders and Martini-Henries. Those fit imperial standards.
@TheRogueWolf
@TheRogueWolf 4 жыл бұрын
It's a wonder they didn't just ask Canada to stand in a queue.
@deherrobigboi4960
@deherrobigboi4960 4 жыл бұрын
that's the most rectangular goatee i've seen
@elijahaitaok8624
@elijahaitaok8624 4 жыл бұрын
Ross had great-ish ideas, if only he had the dedication to see his projects through
@grimlock1471
@grimlock1471 4 жыл бұрын
That and to realize that 99% of the users are mere human beings who probably can't hit man size targets at 2,000 yards over iron sights.
@elijahaitaok8624
@elijahaitaok8624 4 жыл бұрын
@@grimlock1471 even with today's hypertech we can barely hit anything past 1.2km
@narcoleptic8982
@narcoleptic8982 4 жыл бұрын
@@grimlock1471 It's called volley fire for a reason.
@nunyabidniz2868
@nunyabidniz2868 4 жыл бұрын
@@narcoleptic8982 Exactly. It was an "area denial" tactic that to my knowledge, was never actually utilized by corps of riflemen, yet saw extensive implementation with machine guns during WW1, hence the complicated mounts seen for the water-cooled "HMG"s of the period...
@cmace3421
@cmace3421 3 жыл бұрын
The Ross rifle is my favourite gun to use in battlefield 1
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