Thanks Michel. First I need to find a buyer, but I wonder what will fill that spot eventually?

@@RotarySMPyou need a cnc router for all of those wood projects.

@@jdmorgan82 Not a bad idea JD.

@@jdmorgan82 We need entertainment, so he needs to design and build one himself. Preferably one that can machine steel and make the Maho jealous.

Thanks Doric.

“Above average” 😮 We have very different standards on how low “average” is, I think! 😂

@@lumotroph I hope it goes to someone who make a lot of small parts. I misused it for bigger stuff than it is good for, back when it was my only machine.

I am surprised by my foresight :)

Thanks for that. I guess my controller does have a retro vibe :)

Thanks for your feedback. It is hard to find time to give it attention, when I am now so focused on the Schaublin, but I like your idea.

Thanks for the kind feedback. The Mini-lathe appreciates it :)

Watch me :)

That's what happens when you have a small workshop and little space - if it's not used, it's gotta go

@@gorak9000 Absolutely. You get it.

He's got a better kid.

@@TheDistur Very true! :)

Thanks for the tip. I need to find some time to read the manual and play around with setting it up.

Thanks Joel. Homed on that range.

Thanks The Mesa 7i96 has built in pull up.

That would be cool!

I doubt it, it seemed to use a standard HDMI cable, which will detect unplugging and replugging.

That is why I will try an EDID, to force the 80P 60Hz mode.

Thanks for your feedback on this. It is not the most rigid and accurate machine, so I am hopeful for acceptable repeatability.

This exact OWON has very sluggish DMM functions, both the numeric display as well as the analog gauge display. I'd say it's maybe 2 or 3 refreshes per second, if at all. That's why I gave it up to Mark. It's a capable oscilloscope with decent bandwidth and refresh rate, so okay in a workshop where you have space for a dedicated DMM. Maybe even more versatile than a stationary oscilloscope, as you don't have to worry about ground loops and isolation. The later models like the HDS242 don't have that issue and work reasonably well as a DMM as well, so that's what I have in my toolbag now. New model also has USB-C for charging, instead of some proprietary wall wart.

Thanks for that Alexander. It is a way better Osci than I ever had before.

@@RotarySMP Small form factor means it's a bit cumbersome to use, but what you need to learn is horizontal and vertical scaling, as well as the trigger threshold. Auto-scaling works somewhat decently, as seen in the video, but you often miss important waveform details that way.

@@graealex Yeah, that was just a quick first use to make pretty pictures on it's screen. I need to get into the manual and learn to set it up properly.

@@RotarySMP Better for your use case of diagnosing for example the EMI problems would be if it had two channels. Ch1 on the e-stop line, Ch2 on the motor contactor, and then trigger off Ch2 while capturing Ch1. What makes expensive oscilloscopes expensive is often the ability to trigger off arbitrary signals, like the frame start of a digital protocol, or even mathematical functions. However, what you usually need is trigger off a falling or raising edge of a rather low-frequency signal, but with a very small time-base, so you can see the high-frequency ringing in the signal.

For a limited time :)

Thanks a lot.

Thanks. This works.

I am also curious what I get for it. There was a CNC converted small lathe sold locally for about €2500 a couple of years ago.

@@RotarySMP Someone is going to get any amazing deal. It is definitely the most extreme rebuild of a Chinese mini-lathe on youtube. Like a honda civic with a lift kit and dual turbo chargers.

@@robertfontaine3650 Thanks Robert. A well polished turd for sure :)

HI Luke, First I need to make space. Then hopefully keep the space clear. :)

@@RotarySMP I am sure you’ll find a good home for it and good luck keeping the space clear. Mine doesn’t last long :)

@@LCalleja I'll get this monitor working before I advertise it.

Thanks Jim. It is an improvement.

Yeah, you are right, getting the dataplate cleanis not one of my strengths :)

​@@RotarySMP Regarding the blank monitor: It looks all the world like the wrong refresh rate is being applied to the new monitor. The EDID (Extended Display ID) is normally read at boot time, and sometimes as a "plug and play" event. However, if there is a fixed xorg[dot]conf file, it will honour the config and force the refresh rate. P'n'P doesn't appear to be functioning properly, so try a cold boot with the new monitor attached as a first test. Failing a reboot test, try the following to reconfigure the xorg[dot]conf file: 1. Reboot into a safe environment by holding shift key. 2. Choose your current kernel (ideally there should only be one, but there may be older options available depending on previous upgrades) "with networking" is optional. 3. At the command prompt enter "telinit 3" to go to the correct run level for final config before full desktop. 4. Enter "xorg -configure" at the command prompt. 5 Reboot the machine as normal "sudo shutdown -r now" This should bring back the graphical interface by reading your hardware, and making the relevant changes to xorg[dot]config. There's a man page on the Xorg site that explains what each section of the configuration file does. Search xorg[dot]conf. I can't link it due to the whole comment being eaten by the "no hyperlinks" setting (ask me how I know and why I use [dot]?) There shouldn't be any harm in doing a sysupgrade, but it may have a few pitfalls. ie. xorg configuration may persist, as well as some other configuration files that will have suboptimal settings. Personally, I'd bite the bullet, and do a fresh install of an up to date OS, and let the installation make the best choices. This is especially important in a Real Time environment such as gcode streaming. It should go without saying that a back up of your CNC controller files should be made first. A pain in the proverbial I know, but I'd also rebuild the controller config using the backup for reference. Some timing issues may have already been addressed in later software builds, as well as other foibles. (You did comment the reason for your debounce timing didn't you? ;-) ) Good luck mate! (for the second time - youtube ate my previous comment)

Thanks for your kind words. It is still only a mini lathe though.

Thanks for the tip. I'll keep an eye on how reliable it is.

Thanks. Hope someone needs a small machine for light parts.

Yeah, although given I am sliding in from the side, and you can see if they are clean or not, I do expect repeatability within the limits of the Mini-lathe limited accuracy.

@@RotarySMP Decide what repeatability you need and test it 👍🏻. One good experiment is worth a thousand theories.

@@physicsguybrian Good point Brian. Thanks.

@@RotarySMP Most welcome!

I wish they would make more videos. I love that channel.

I set positions, I am happy with the axis staying where they homed. On a little lathe, every set up and work holding is different, and I would rather manually jog around after homing.

I think I did that, but you are right, I need to try again and make sure.

I was pretty annoyed by that monitor. I threw money at the problem expecting a PnP solution.

I would have also preferred flush sensors, but that would have required ToT's time machine, to go back and plan it better :)

@@RotarySMP as you commented on, driving to a physical stop is fairly standard procedure, do you have an option to reduce velocity and torque on the stepper motors for homing? The machines I'm familiar with perform this by PLC control, then index 5mm to "Home" allowing position loop to function. Regards John.

@@bostedtap8399 I am concerned about the small pulley grub screws vibrating loose if I keep doing that.

Thanks Mark.

Yeah, given the choice of the Schaublin, the Boley and the Mini Lathe, it is never going to be used again.

He is the master. Shame they post less frequently.

Did you see their latest with TIGA S200 and Howden Ganley gave them advise on set up

I need to get that monitor working first, and will then advertise it.

Yeah, seems to be!

I bought an 800P EDID, but that also didn't work. I ave no idea how to create manual xorg.conf. Could you help me out with some tips please?

Sure ; I am assuming you know some command line Linux , if not let me know. First off switch to a text terminal and issue the command 'sudo init 3' Now check if there is already an xorg.conf file in /etc/X11 , if so back up with 'sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /root/' Now run the command 'X -configure' There should now be a clean default xorg.conf file with some basics. We really only need the device (the display driver part which refers to the GPU) and the screen sections... Your NUC is probably using an Intel embedded graphics chipset, which needs little work. So let's focus on the screen for now, which should look something like this. Be sure to only specify the Mode you need, nothing else. Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Card0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultColorDepth 16 SubSection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1280x960" EndSubSection EndSection

@@javanree Brilliant, thanks a lot for that. I will be editing today and tomorrow morning, but will try this out tomorrow afternoon, and report back.

@@RotarySMPlet me know how it works out. If it's not enough there's more possibilities, but that will require some more detailed research.

I finially got to try this late yesterday evening. Put the old monitor back in, sudo init 3 caused the monitor to go blank, and I could only recover by hard rebooting. I googled it and suspect that changing runlevels, puts it into a graphics mode unsupported by that monitor. Tried it three times, but always same result. So I didn't get to the XConf stuff.

I tried two different cables, and that monitor PnP normally on two other computers.

It is a 1280x800 display, the same as the one it replaces. It plugs and plays and works find with both my laptop, and the HP PC in the Schaublin. If I understand correctly, the handshaking between HDMI devices is more black magic than science :)

Just a short 60 hour road trip with a trailer :)

They are the best. Shame they are not posting as regularly anymore.

I think binky got too close to completion 😢

Sounds like one of my projects. :

Lumping? Pumping tunes! (I know I could correct my original post but this may help Uncle Algo’s rhythm)

@@mumblbeebee6546 Good one. Feed the Al Gore Rythms.

Not yet, but hopefully sooner rather than later.

You can add some options to the config file on a raspberry pi to force it to detect a monitor connected to HDMI even if one isn't. I used to have issues with a raspberry pi media player connected to my TV - if the power went out, when it came back on, the tv wouldn't be on but the pi would power up, so it'd boot up not detecting a display at all. Adding that option helped. It at least "detected" a display even if the TV wasn't on when it booted up, but it booted at a super low resolution, so I always had to reboot it anyway to get the proper resolution back. I've since moved to a full linux box (using an "ultra small form factor" desktop) media player, and all those problems are a thing of the past now.

This is a Gigabyte NUC running Linux Mint.

My guess is HDMI versions. Would be worth checking the specs... I suspect the new screen need/exxpects.a newer minimum version. But I am guessing so YMMV

@@jamesworley2674 Thanks James. Do you expect a new linux Distro to bring the version change, or is this a hardware issue? I hope an EDID can sort that if the linux version cant.

@@RotarySMP I'd say maybe a new linux version will help. Better EDID and hotplugging support is one of the things that I think had some improvements over the last few years, depending on when your install is from. You should be able to just apt update apt install mintupgrade to upgrade in place without having to re-install from scratch. All debian based distros should be able to update in place, just the commands are different on how to switch from one major version to the next

The lathe controller is a Gigabyte Nuc x86 PC.

@@RotarySMP ah OK / sorry / nevermind then 😅

@@equi-nox Mayve the HDMI chip in the old Gigabyte is the same as the RaspPi used :)

Good question. I used the new monitors wall wart when I tried it with the other computer.

It is only a home switch, so I only gets used on start up. Since everyone cleans their machine at the end of every session, it will be fine :)

@@RotarySMP Valid.

I also think that it could be resolution issue.

I cant change anything until I get a picture on that monitor.

@RotarySMP This is how you do it: connect the display that works, change the lowest resolution and refresh rate, then test with the new display. I hope you figure it out. BTW, I like your lathe; I wish I had one to play with.

@@mrgreensworkshop Thanks for the tip, I'll give that a go.

@@RotarySMP Boot Linux in recovery mode with minimal e.g. 640x480 resolution. Or change to a low resolution with your old monitor connected first, and then connect the new one. Or Ctrl+Alt+F1 to a terminal and (assuming the terminal displays on your new screen) then change your settings from there.

I am struggle with that Mel. Probably get 1 or 2c per Hour worked:)

I dont have a plan for the spot it occupies, but having the Schaublin means I’ll never use the mini lathe

Good question. I didn't measure it yet. If they are crap, I'll go back to mechanical homing on block.

If you lookup that question in the 3d printing world you will find them tested quite precise. Good enough for my mill

@@michaeleitel7186 Thanks for your feedback on that.

I sat on my sofa, and watched it on Tele. It was brilliant. Always is :)

@@RotarySMP Ahh so directly the front row.

@@platin2148 That is it :)

That is interesting. If I find those inductive sensors are not repeatable enough in practice, I can go back to hard stops.

@@RotarySMP I don't think it's better. :P I just thought it's interesting. They also have shock absorbers at the end to stop them slamming into the ends too hard. And they go very slowly while initiating.

It is this one. amzn.to/45oKzXJ

@@RotarySMP thank you

Home doesn't have to be a limit, it just has to be the same place every time.

It is only a tiny machine. I think the total travel is about 100mm or so.

You summarized my thoughts perfectly, except for the swearing :)

@@RotarySMP I come from a family of sailors 😆

@@t1mmy13 My Dad also spent time at sea. :)

Good idea. Except that second bit :)

I like that one Jim :) Also would need a stepper and some optical sensors to move to the next blister.

If I sell it quickly, you can hit that Unsubscribe button twice :)

Bye then... 😄

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