Well it is mid range, with it's 192 bit bus and ad 104 silicon. Just very overpriced.

If only world markets for goods were based off individual thoughts and opinions of what's low/mid/high tier/quality.

@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat very typical of certain age demographics, and nothing new. Probably are more concerned with bragging rights of what hardware they have over just loving to play video games with a health interest in all things tech. So when they don't have the finances because of age/work etc they complain about the things they envy, and are fake pc master racist towards anything console related....sad really

My GTX 550 Ti in 2011 had 2GB of GDDR5 at 192 Bit Bus. I consider this a low range card disguised as a mid range card priced like a high end card, thats how it was back then too @@DragonOfTheMortalKombat

Dude there are 4-5 other gpus stronger than it what are you expecting it to be high end ? I believe high-end gpus should be best 3 of the said company so in this case 4090-4080 (super or no super) and 4070ti super.

Yes.

I had a midrange gtx 970 several years ago. It was around 300 quid new.

@@lucodeath Well, the gtx 970 was nearly as fast as the gtx 980 which was high end. The 980ti was enthusiast level. You could make the argument it was almost high end. The 950 and 960 were more midrange territory.

Yes, your wallet doesn't determine what's mid range - high end 😀

​​​@@lucodeathAnd 20 years ago a midrange GPU cost less than £100. So what's your point?

Pretty much, 25 percent increase in Fab Cost's, Shipping costs gone up, Inflation, Etc. I see good performance and value with 4070 Super at @599 USD. It's almost a 4070ti for 2 bills less.

@@Obie327 the thing that goes up the most here is nvidias margin (from 25% to 40% or something ridiculous?). its insane and people still bend over backwards to make up excuses for poor nvidia

@@MKR3238 I can still remember when Nvidia wasn't even a blip on the radar. I don't buy too many GPU's, But my recent purchased RTX 4070 Super fits my needs nicely. After the Intel ARK A770 LE I purchased a year ago, I just wanted something that works. (What a driver hell and tinkering pain in the butt!) Intel's drivers have gotten better and will replace my tired GTX 1060 GPU with it.

​@@Obie327im glad intel is there at least as a option in terms of GPUs, Nvidia is becoming a joke with their products and how the way the artificially inflate prices

@@HShango I'm not too happy either with how Nvidia is handling pricing ether. Having Intel step in as a third player was a relief. A breath of fresh air even after seeing the stagnation and high pricing with the Red and Green camps. Mind share is great with this one. (Yoda/Nvidia) I will chime in and say that RTX 4070 Super is really good and might be worth checking out. Happy gaming! Peace!

even in 2024 we still havent seen an apu be as powerful as ps5.

@@dante19890 Memory bandwidth of ddr won’t allow it. Any such apu would need a large cache to make up for slow system memory

@@dante19890 Except for Apple's chips. Everything since the M1 Max (released in 2021) has been faster.

@@MelvinGundlach as good as apple chips might be they are no match for the ps5

@@dante19890 If it helps, consoles are effectively using APUs. Like the Xbox Series X uses an AMD 3700x/6700XT-ish combo that is tied together and uses the memory that the console has. That console has two types of RAM, though, so on games that need more than the higher performing RAM, you'll see a performance hit.

You seriously comparing the price of today to the price of 10 years ago? Have you not noticed the inflation of absolutely everything? Everything is considerably more expensive now even compared to 5 years ago let alone 10. A 970 is also comparable to a 4070, not a 4070 super. £330 in 2014 is worth £460 today, that’s just inflation, nothing else taken into account. A 4070 can be bought for £520. So with inflation taken into account, a 4070 is £60 more than a 970 was back in 2014. So stop talking crap, step out of the past and stop moaning about prices. Everything has gone up, and some things way more than the GPU market. What you gonna say next, that a 3080 released at £699? Did it ever sell for that? No course it didn’t. People were paying over 1k for it and it didn’t drop from that price until the 40 series was round the corner. The 4070 super is offering the performance of a 3080ti or better, for £570. Stop being so greedy and expecting more. It’s not a bad price. However the price of the 4080 and 4090 are ridiculous. But the 4070 super is a good price for what you are getting.

GTX 1070 was USD 400 with 8gb VRAM 6 years ago. GTX 1060 beat the GTX 970, for under USD 300. THE RTX 4060 can't beat a RTX 3060TI 😂😂😂

​@@ESKATEUKthat's not how you use overall inflation which is an average of consumer goods to explain the price of one consumer good. Computers used to cost around USD 4000 in the late 80s.

​@@konstantinlozev2272The 4060 ti - the real 4060 - is basically just a 3070 with half the bus width.

@@GeneralS1mba yeah, on some tests that RTX 4060TI is slower (!) than a RTX 3060TI 🤣🤣🤣 Abomination in terms of "progress". Also in recent Rx 7600 "XT" reviews all the "drama" was how those Rx 7600s and the RTX 4069 were "duking out", while the previous gen mid-range Rx 6700XT and RTX 3060TI were LOLing 10fos above them 🤣🤣🤣

Yep, ideally 300-400 should be midrange, with top end being 600-1,000, with 1,000 being titan/4090 power. I'm ok with a 4080 at 750-800.

Exactly the whole PS5 including a controller costs less than just 1 part so I bloody well expect PCs selling parts at this price to outperform consoles

It was only 7 years ago when a top end card (1080ti) cost $700.

Dude the card is overpriced. The specs are midrange. Please try to understand this.

@@cryodann 600 is the midrange now. Dude.

It is exactly mid range

@@cynicalobserver8176I'd call a 7600/4060 midrange, and a 3050 low end. 70 class should be the starting point of the high end.

Best Buys cheapest 4070 PC is $1600 most are $2000. Fun Fact most people do not build their own PC.

@@Crashed131963 People should learn. Pre builds are always poor quality for the price.

@@originalityisdead.9513 Most gamers do not know what a driver update is let alone are buying a PC in parts and putting it together . Im sure a Ps5 would be $300 not $500 if Sony let the consumer put it together at home .

Lmao from the title I was like WTF. XD

You consider it anything else?

@@3k3k3 a $600-$650 USD card is midrange? NVIDIA really has done a number on their consumers.

it is mid range GPU. High end GPUs are 4080/4090 and low end of 4060.

@@michalrv3066 No 4070 - 4080 Super are high end and 4090 is enthusiast. 4050 is entry level and 4060 - 4060 Ti is mid -tier. These are all Nvidia claims.

that always was the case but the thing is that this gpu costs MORE than that lmao

This is the thing, I appreciate the comparison and find it interesting, but you can pick up a PS5 for £450 and still get these games and have an enjoyable experience, while that price point won't even get you a mid-range GPU, let alone an entire mid-range system.

What do you mean? I can buy a PC for 600 quid that outperforms a console in most cases. Aside from the obviously faulty ports it is a great time to be a PC gamer.

Can it not be assumed that people who prefer consoles still buy themselves a computer from time to time?

@@uste-ru5rx Very easily. A 5600/6600 combo will be better than a PS5. However they share their differences. I own both a powerful PC and a PS5. Some days I just wanna boot up my 5 get on my bed and get straight to playing without having to mess with any settings. Having a LG C3 OLED TV kinda helps too ahaha. For SP games the 5 is my choice. For MP and some ahem sailing the vast open seas of gaming ahem I go to my PC. Let's not forget though that the PS5 is 3 1/2 years old by now. And it still holds good value.

It is a midrange GPU technically. they are right. but that doesn't mean its good value

Well, there's 3 GPUs above it and 3 below it if you count the 3050 they just refreshed again. The 1070 was mid-range at $449 in 2016

I agree that the comparison isn't fair but the 4070 is mid-tier. It's just that the top tier are extremely expensive. Also the PS5 is a console from 2020 but it's still around the same price, graphics cards are much more likely to drop in price as the next gen comes out.

When there are 4070Ti,4070Ti Super,4080,soon 4080 Super and 4090 as well as AMDs RX7900XT and RX7900XTX , how would you call it other than a midrange? Well upper midrange tends to be used. I call it upper midrange. It serves as a great comparison for those considering to upgrade, but can't decide if they should do PS5 or upgrade a weak PC. Or even purchase completely new one. To see how much extra performance they get for their money.

@@GameslordXY 70 cards are performance-segment cards, they always have been - doesn't matter if nvidia releases 25 cards with ti, super, super ti etc etc

It doesn't matter, it's sad but, it IS midrange rince there is a 4070 ti (super), 4080 (super) and 4090. It may be expensive as hell, but that is how they are classified.

Nobody is saying it is meant to be fair. Is is supposed to be seen as how much gpu have ,,progressed"(cough... price/performance... cough) since then

The things people are most interested in. You test your lightbulbs that way too?

​@@McnoobletThat's how you test things. Anything can be made faster. Consoles are made at power vs cost and affordable for the mass market. Most PC Players worldwide have much lower end gpus then the 4070. Go look at steam gpu charts. Lol

Comparing with GPU to GPU alone the RTX 40 Ada is the current most efficient GPU architecture out there on TSMC N4+ compared to PS5 RDNA 2 with TSMC N7 and apparently this 4070 Super according to DF review is the new most efficient GPU on the entire RTX 40 lineup which is unexpected, so i think with all that the 4070 Super is likely going to beat the hell out of PS5 again when it comes to power to performance per watt, as long as both are measured with same clockspeed and same performance, not standard as that won't be fair test at all considering the 4070 Super is more than 2x faster than PS5 GPU anyway.

@@ShadowRomeo1784 It's not really unexpected. Before the 4070 Super, the 4080 was the most efficient closely followed by the 4090. Hell, GamersNexus recently did a video on this and found that exactly as you said: The Ada series is basicaly the most efficient discrete graphics card line to date.

Nah, everyone knows that 600-700$ GPUs being marketed as "entry level range" is what gives marketers intense orgasms!

Within the 40 series, it is firmly in the middle. Mid range by definition

@@kuruptzZz by that logic, Rolls Royce are offering mid- and low-range cars too?

​@@a.b.c.d.e within the rolls royce catalogue, they would offer low and mid range models. twisting his statement to fit your 'gotcha' was hardly logical bro.

@@a.b.c.d.e Yes...rolls royce has the ghost on one end, and then the phantom on the other end...and a bunch of variants and models in between, I think even an SUV now. Nvidia has the 60 on one end, and the 90 on the other end. 70 super is in the middle. Literally their mid range GPU

You get 2x the performance (and up to almost 4x with frame gen) at the same settings for roughly 2x the price on a PC build with the 4070 super 🫠

@@killerhurtalot2,5 x the price if we are being honest

@KopfdesRiesen $1000 is more than enough for a mid range desktop with a 4070 super if you're not spending like $100 on a case, overspending on a 850w PSU, and settling for 16 GB ram and etc...

If you spend more money on newer hardware it will be faster and offer more features. No one expects a PS5 to outperform a 4070 Super. So it doesn’t matter what the cost multiplier is, it remains a silly comparison.

@@RazielAU You mean that it's just some people can spend more money for a better performance in game...

The 4070's launch price was $600.

​@@selohcin I'd imagine you live in a different country than they are? Thus different currency and pricing aswell.

its worse, in canada the super variant cost 750 $ @@craigsampson3386

the rx 7800 XT cost around 699 $

@blue_ish4499 I'm in Australia and just did a quick google, cheapest RTX 4070 12GB is AUD $811.09 lol

Somehow he forgot to mention that part.

It’s not comparable whatsoever. A full build is twice the price, it better be twice the performance. Minimum.

It's no different from how they compare the PS4 with the PS5.

Majority of PS5 users also pay $60-$170 per year plus controllers, plus they probably bought an SSD which tends to be pretty expensive if it is proprietary. PS5 gets a plus there, even though when I bought my 2tb NVME for my PS5 it was somewhere around $250 after launch (they kind of trapped you into that with less than 1Tb of storage), not so much with Xbox as that SSD stays pretty expensive. PS5 Elite Controller? you want those 2 extra buttons? $200.

2 times the performance 2 times the cost. Makes sense to me.

Well, the consoles have low-end performance. A 6650xt is basically the closest comparable GPU, and that's $250 new, not on sale. A 5600G has comparable CPU performance, and that's $125. You could easily make a comparable performance PC for $600, and then you don't have to pay $80/year for PSN.

The thing is. PC at 1k will always have a power advantage. But there are two major things that hold PCs back. Optimization, and dated storage architecture. Although I wouldn’t say dated because the new faster storage architecture right now it’s even been taken advantage yet. Only hellblade is the first game to take good advantage of it. Which is the first game I’m 3 years

@@balloonb0y677 with a pc we have the luxury to optimise for each game. High/mid DOESNT matter so much more power to do this. If there’s issues with a title at release it will normally get an update or patched. Consoles need optimising by devs as there’s little options so it’s critical.

@@colinbrydon7659 yes. That’s a pc advantage. You can’t don’t the same with consoles because they’re made with different strengths. Consoles are made more complex than a traditional computer. Hence why they call it console.

​@link99912 PS5 is equivalent to a RTX 3080 and also ps5 has 16gb vram and optimisation

Is correct way to call it mid-range because it suppose to be 4060Ti and 4060ti is mid-range and the 4070ti suppose to be 4070 but the cant sell a mid range for 600 so they fucked up they names so yeas is a mid-range card.

The 4070 Super's chip is actually what a 4060 Super should be for $299, but anyway, that's the harsh reality of the current PC market.

You are totaly wrong. Any card running 1440p ultra every game with high fps without any problem is high end or any card playing 4k 60+on ultra 90% of games is high end so 7900xt is there. Imagine calling it lower high end.

Mid-range GPU are now 500-600 bracket. Mining and Covid ruined everything. AMD and Nvidia wont drop prices now.

Prices are high because the companies are still price gouging and they know people will pay it.

The 970 was mid range at just under 400 $ and the us dollar has been hyper inflated since. Read a book.

$80 a year for PlayStation plus😅

That's for sure, an additional plus. Consoles don't have to deal with PC crash bs. I've been crashing with my 4090 from Nvidia driver issues. Aaaaaand windows 11 game input service crashing my computer lol. I have them solved for now. But man a couple crashes a week for a few weeks makes me want to switch back lol.

​@@LoGIcMoTionif you want to play multiplayer. But I agree it's ludicrous. I'm dropping my ps plus and only getting it on sale lol. They bumped the price with no benefit.

@@jet613 Switch back to a console with 1/4th the performance... aight, you do you.

​@@jet613F2P games don't need plus iirc But yeah PS+ sucks

U are weird to think pc is limited to just "gaming" think before posting a comment consoles are 500 usd because they are only for gaming now f off

​@@COYG94 most everyone use these low to mid range GPU for gaming. For light surfing tbh your phone does the exact same thing. Heck your tv can play youtube. Heck shut the fk up about excel why would u bring work home??

​@@COYG94why are you so angry?

@@mitsuhh because console s©ums keeps mentioning the price as if consoles are same as gaming pcs they are not, my cousin assembled a 2000$ pc for gaming animation coding and god knows what but a 500$ console cannot do all of this

​@@COYG94PC fan boi crying

Visuals look good no matter what you play on these days. Pc is better, and far more noticeable when on a high quality 4k screen. My 3080 in native 4k looks superior to my ps5 in dynamic 4k.

Diminishing returns. If you go back to 2000 in your comparison you could get double the frame rate and more than double the visuals. Due to the complexity and fidelity of current visuals, the increased quality perception requires exponential computing power, not geometric.

As an adult I'm now able to financially build a high end gaming PC these days, but theres just less incentive to do so nowadays. I guess I've missed the era where PC gaming was leagues ahead of consoles in all areas.

@@craigsampson3386Same. Eventually I'll get a new PC because I'm into simracing. But in general I don't think the experience is worth the money. I've been playing BF2042 lately on XBOX and I chose last gen over the current one because if I must use a gamepad, then I'd rather not play against KBM, and graphics are simply good enough.

@WilliamSkafast i mainly want a PC just to mod GTA games lol and play the remastered Command & Conquer collection, and Forza Horizon 3 because its set in Australia where i live with Aussie cars. Yeah same but Gran Turismo 7 fills my needs, I've sunk 600 hours into it so far. If you prefer Xbox you can pick up 2nd hand Series S consoles dirt cheap just like Rich just did for his Dad, still a current gen console even though its a low end one. Whats BF2042 like these days? I remember it was trash at launch. I jumped back into BF4 a month ago, still holds up and surprised how many people still play it, so easy to get into matches still.

Yeah but it's like 3x the power.

No, it just shows where the PC hardware has moved. When the PS5 was released, it was enough to have a 2070 super/2080 to achieve the performance of the PS5, but the disadvantage was that for such a PC you paid twice as much as for the PS5. Today, you still pay 2.5x more for a PC with an RTX 4070 Super than for a console, but you also get 2.5x more performance.

@@jufi9748 Exactly.. It's obvious a lot of people commenting on this video do not get the point of the video.. I wonder anyway what all these gamingconsole "warriors" are doing here on this PC tech channel they obviously have no clue about.. I guess the video title and KZfaq algoritm must have pulled them in..

The PC does many things a console can't, so we can't expect total system prices to be close. The GPU is what really turns a PC in a "gaming rig," so it's fair to compare the GPU to the console of roughly equal price.

​@@hartsickdisciplei bought my PC for gaming, im from the 90% of jobs that don't need a PC

@@ElPibePlay1000 Maybe PC isn't the best platform for you? Maybe consoles make more sense for you. If you only use a PC for gaming, you need to accept that you're going to pay a premium, but you're also going to get better performance and visuals.

@@hartsickdisciple i play on PS5, i bought a PC for my sisters, they like a decade+ old game, so i understand PC has its pros.

@@hartsickdisciple 1. we are talking gaming here, if you need something for desktop work just get a cheap laptop. 2. a gpu on it's own does nothing, if you already take a gpu for 599 your pc will end up costing double or triple the price of a console.

What do you mean? There are several "console killer" builds out there.

u can spend like $700 and build a pc that outperforms the ps5 and pc comes with many more benefits than consoles which is why so many more ppl are switching to pc past few years

You cannot for 500 I agree. However you can for 700 like said above and for that extra 200 bucks you also get extra functionality. So proportionally you get the 'same' value. But I do agree with your original premise. Consoles, especially a second hand Xbox series x for example cannot be beat for the money. In my country you can get a second hand series X for 350 bucks.

If you include only the gpu and cpu like you have then you can.

Also dont underestimate the game price differences between the platforms PC games are mostly cheaper

Are you still in 2020. Clearly, this gpu is 2x- 3x the ps5. My £170 can do everything ps5 does and plays a larger library of games+ emulators and A.I and more. Right now consoles cannot compete with pc maybe when ps6 comes they can lead for a year or two😂😂😂😂

Almost 4x with DLSS3 FG. Plus I only have to buy 1 console to play everything vs 2. So PC comes out way ahead here

​@@moto6981I wonder what else it's compensating for lol

Depends, PC and console are very different. Hard to really compare value since PC does way more than a console could. Don't think I can run Blender on my PS5 like I could on my PC for instance. There is more things I could do on a PC, there is more value for me there.

What value are you talking about, 4070s pc is giving you slightly higher than double the performance for slightly higher than double the price. The value for the ps5 and the pc compared here is the same, and you can also do a lot other things with a pc.

@@dhaumya23gango75”PC can do a lot of other things.” Yeah it can, but a majority do what with that? Doom scroll KZfaq or dubious sites instead of playing 1 of their 1000 Steam games? Seems like that’s what most people do. Everybody commenting acting like they are a programmer or some high level productivity user on PC is nonsense. People still game primarily in 1080P on PC.

​@@user-gb3jk5sn9u you're right, the only way you use 100% a PC are of you are a designer, programmer, an engineer or a streamer

I'm just swapping my RTX 2070 Super out for the RTX 4070 Super and it will cost me about as much as buying my Series X did after selling my old 2070S

@@redmoogle it’s a comparison between a gpu at 33/flops and 10t/tflops. The whole advantage to the rtx cards is the dlss which is phenomenal. Direct comparison is fine but as soon as you introduce retracing the ps5 will plummet in frame rates the 4070s not as much, so 2x performance will be 3x the performance. To say the opposite is just delusional. Consoles do well what they do but sorry no comparison between these two gpus.

@@redmoogle I’ve never used this gpu. Skipped it and went for the beast. Love the old games and play regularly with a hyper spin drive and couldn’t agree more. But some exceptional current games which take things to a level I’ve never seen. Pc gamer from the 90s.

Of course this comparison is dumb. But he wanted to shit on the PS5 anyway and It generated click bait money.

To be fair, unlike graphics cards from 2020 the PS5 hasn't gotten meaningfully cheaper.

Yeah? How many people bought a PS5 in 2020 for retail price? 👍🤡🤡🤡

@@davidfaustino4476About 7.8 million

Just a comparison. Its not meant to be fair and its obvious this gpu would destroy the console hardware. It’s getting boring comparing the XB and PS5 with next to no differences.

Except the numbers literally don't bear that out. The 4070 performs about 3x better.

@@davidfaustino4476 Exactly. We're regularly seeing triple performance from the 4070 at matching settings.

It’s not quite as straight forward, and can vary slightly, however compared to ps5 a 4060 has twice the power with circa +25% performance / 4070 3x the power with 2x or +100% performance. This only works on like for like comparisons. RXT obviously has frame gen and can utilise dlss which is phenomenal on supported games.

​​@@colinbrydon76594070 uses less power consumption use and performing as good as the 3080 ti

Yes

You are wrong. It is midrange. Because its not the top of the line performer. 4090 sets out the bar for highrange cards. Period. Whether you can or can't afford a 600 usd gpu is a different story (I can't either btw,). DF is not helping Nvidia whatsoever. They are just pointing out the numbers in comparaison. And they are sad.

Derp.

I have a 4070 as well, still I am playing 90% of my time with my Series X on a QLED....@@fcukugimmeausername

PC is not "just" a toy, many PC gamers also use their rig for productivity. Console gamers also get raped slowly over the life cycle of the console with higher game prices and less variety than PC, so your logic is not entirely correct.

@@Battleneter Yup. PS Plus for 6 years (the console life cycle) is $1080US.

@Battleneter that's great for ppl who need it for work but for pure gaming many ppl just prefer the simpler way of consoles, PCs great im just making a point that damn right we should be expecting to see significant performance boosts over PS5 now.

@@markwheeler4245 A low end PC exceeds what PS5 can do. What do you want?

​@@fcukugimmeausernamenot really. My laptop with RTX 3050-M runs Robocop at 20-30fps at 1080p low, even with dlss quality. Ps5 would run it far better

lies you'll be back

GPU: cryptomining ballooned prices 2-3x, then after mining finally died off, prices fell but not even close to as much. They're banking that desperate gamers will see 1.5x-2x what it should cost as a bargain. But 4070 super lack of sales indicates otherwise. Then, DDR5 came out and is too expensive. And its motherboards are too expensive. And chip shortages get blamed. And SSD makers are colluding to lower supply to raise prices. Add in post-covid inflation and there's your sum total.

or get a oled tv with the ps5 and save 300 bucks

A PC is not "just" a toy, many PC gamers also use their rig for productivity, Console gamers also get raped slowly over the life cycle of the console with higher game prices and less variety than PC.

@@Battleneter What productivity? People who nees high end PCs for work are being provided with said PCs at work. Also, you can resell your games on consoles.

Console gamers mostly get screwed over on subscription costs just to play online. And "largely the same experience" yeah I don't think so, not when GTA 6 is highly likely to be 30fps on PS5 and PC will get you far beyond 60 on a mid range setup by the time it's out.

Sony knows that 80% of ps5 owners will get a PC in order to run GTA 6 in 60fps otherwise this scummy greedy company will never have thought of releasing a ps5 pro. Sony never does anything in the interest of others.

What is PS+

That's just not true at all. PC gaming is extremely flexible, there's room for all budgets. A build with an R5 3600 16 GB of RAM and RX 6600XT will play all games at great quality. An old RX 580 can run games similar to a series S. Even folks with the anemic Nintendo switch are playing and the steam deck runs circles over that system.

Most gamers are casual gamers . Casual gamers do not know a 4090 from a toaster. Even rich casual gamers just what the plug and play simplicity of a console on their $7000 wall mounted TV.

4070 is mid, PS5 is low-range.

except a year later you could buy a 9800 gt for 160 bucks and was only 15-20% slower, the 8800 gt was 349 at the same time. point being there were proper gaming options at every price point if you were smart.

@@northeu People who bought the 8800 ultra for 800 bucks are the reason 4090 is now 1.8k and still being bought. And naturally this affects the midrange market which is in return why midrange cost 600-700 now. Also, there is quite the inflation nobody seems to notice but maybe commentators arent of legal age and dont buy groceries?

The 4090 RTX is not the product for you, so why are you trashing people who choose to get it? How does you not having the money or want to afford a 4090 mean that people don't buy their own groceries? You sound like a bitter fool.@@mewtilate420

6600GT for 150

Really depends on the person. I take 1440p 90fps any day over 1080p 180fps

Oh come on, the upgrade from a ps5 or 3070 to a 4070 super is massive. Not even comparable.

​@@ESKATEUKmassive is 4x faster in my opinion. Not 2x

@@mitsuhh2x is a huge difference…

Use to have a 3070 got a 4070 super im telling ya 3070 is doo doo and a 1080p card now

Hopefully 5000 series brings prices back down abit? I remember DF praising the 3000 series back then being the most affordable in over a decade and was a great time to jump into PC gaming. Presumably 4000 series took a hit because of Covid with parts/manufacturing which drove prices up aswell as inflation spiking in the last few years. Its the first time we've ever seen consoles go up in price post launch too. Crazy times.

But also not untrue. 4070 super uses AD104

Most people looking to buy these mid-range cards don't need to compare them to top tier products. I'd have thought this was obvious.

Correct. People just seem offended because they've realised they can't afford mid-range these days 😂

​@@fcukugimmeausernameCan't afford or just won't buy it? I have a 3080 Ti and would love to buy a 4090 but 2k or better for a graphics card is absurd. Making someone else rich by over-paying just makes you a dumbass.

The PS5 Pro is said to be as powerful as a 4070 and the games are getting more demanding every year too, At that time even a 4080 would barely be enough for 4K 60. And don't expect the performance of a 5080 in a $500 console.

You don't build a PC to match or beat consoles. You build it to open up a whole world of games that PS or XB can't access. For $1000 you can build a PC that plays AAA games, indie games, PS3 and XBOX 360 games, edits 4k video, handles work tasks, and all the streaming services you like. And you don't need to rebuild it from scratch just to upgrade. I have a 2060S and could just go buy a 4070S and sell the old one.

bro I like to play laying down with my girl @@NandR

@@fabolousjada5070 I was just playing RDR2 on my ipad laying in bed, just streaming from my PC. Looks great. Can also connect to a large TV and play all your PC games.

then don't buy it, you can buy a gaming pc for 700 dollars that's better than the series x, and if you already have a pc you probably just need to upgrade some components.

@@emanuelsavage-op5mm Try and buy a $700 computer that plays AAA games as well as a $500 console . A $700 will have a 1060 or 3050 if you find a great sale. The $500 console are equivalent to a 3070 . Don't mean the build it yourself prices of PCs that most people will never do . I'm sure a Ps5 would be $250 if Sony shipped them in pieces and the buyer had to assembly it themselves.

It not about price. He is talking performance. 70 series cards have always been considered mid range (performance wise). Just crazy that we are in a place that the 70 series card is double console performance. and we aren't THAT far into the console life cycle.

@@yanceyboyz if i have to build a computer for twice the price of a PS5 to get twice the performance then its not impressive to me, its expected.

@@prodyg it's more than double performance in a lot of cases. I agree with your statement, I stopped pc Gaming and went to ps5 because at launch, it was unreal value for money. I also think we are in a world of diminishing returns now, truthfully some of the best games I've played in the last 5 years were on switch and that's a severely limited platform. I also think demons souls remake is as good as games need to look for the next 10 years, that's an absolutely stunning gam, I'd actually argue on the whole that ps5 games are starting to look worse. At launch rift apart and demons souls blew my mind but lately stuff like RE4 looked a bit basic (I think village looked better!) However my original statement stands, we are half way through the life cycle and the 70 series is already double the performance, it's nuts that we will be on 6090 by the end of the life cycle, realistically devs are doing to have to focus on resolution and frame rate because while GPU will be able to render trillions of triangles, the games are going to start taking 10 years to build assets for. They won't double team size because they'd have to double sales then too. Time and finances are going to start being the wall in development (they kinda already are)

@@prodyg that's like saying a ps5 is pointless because it's double the power of PS4 but double the price 🤣 We should all regress back to N64?

@@yanceyboyz thats not what I said. I did not say it was pointless.

It is a mid-range card.

AD104. Precisely mid range

A bit more expensive in other markets, but with correct display resolution and setting gaming (and other many uses of a PC) can be very satisfactory for a price if sensible choices are made. But not all settings make sense from a quality point of view and much more is needed than ultra settings reviews flooding on youtube... DLAA or FSR AA native are not use in order to put bigger FPS numbers, while the number we will focusing on is Rendered Pixels per second, that video flow is the overall input we can get to our eyes that outputs from our system... that is pix/s = FPS * resoultionWidthINPixels * resolutionHeightInPixels.... nowadays any RTX 4060 is perfroming better or more efficiently on the 1440p to 2160p range than in 1080p or lower resolution and so happens in 4090 that are limited by cpus but also vram specs, pcie, lack of optimization of game code, etc...

At best you can build PC with ryzen 3600 and 3060, which will be comparable to PS5 - for 700 bucks. And you dont get DualSense for that price, which is 60 bucks.

4070s have always been a mid range GPU.

​@@originalityisdead.9513 7 series from Nvidia used to be upper mid/lower high. now it's thoroughly mid, and has firmly become the 6 series.

@@cronoesify you’re just saying mid range in a fancy kind of way. High-end is always been the 80s series and up.

@@originalityisdead.9513 exactly it’s always been considered the performance value card in mid range

@@mmremugamesmm No doubt.

Nah , a 100$ CPU can beat the PS5, add 100$ for the mobo and you doubled PS5 perf for 800$ You don't need a case, you can place the PC in a cardboard box You don't need a PSU either, you can connect the cables up your ass RAM?? You can download that from the internet Don't get mad at me, it was funnier in my head 😂

Baseline 1080p and 1440p? People don't run games at benchmark settings. Even then, my PC with a worse gpu than a 4070 super runs Starfield at 1440p 90+ FPS basically everywhere. In New Atlantis, it dips to the 70s, though. RDR2 does around 100 FPS. Spider-Man Remastered does 100 FPS with max RT. There are people still using a 2080 Ti at 4k because you don't have to wait for a developer to make a patch to get the performance you want.

Also, the PS5 is equivalent to the 7600 for $259 in real-world performance.

@@TheAllhailben7 with FSR

@@TheAllhailben7 The PS5 Pro is said to be as powerful as a 4070 and the games are getting more demanding every year too, At that time even a 4080 would barely be enough for 4K 60. And don't expect the performance of a 5080 in a $500 console.

Yeah, but you'd still have a console and still have to buy a PC for general use.

@@fcukugimmeausername PC gaming isn't as cheap as it used to be but having a modern gaming spec PC is awesome. I love it! And yes you can use PC as a tool not just for gaming. Its so cool to have a PC!

It's not a competition, it's a comparison.

Moving goalposts?

The 4070s is much more efficient than a ps5 o-o

@@link99912 Funny how you ignore the "price" ... 4070S = ~£600 PS5 = ~£370 An entire console Vs one component. & The funniest part is that most people end up trading their fucking components anyway for a better version in roughly the same timescale that a console refreshed it's life cycle. The biggest cost difference is for the online service access per year on playstation. Which is a no brainer cost when it means that I rarely encounter cheating scum in every multiplayer game like PC, & I don't have to worry about some fucked up driver update breaking a bunch of shit like with Nvidia.

You can literally Google prices.

@@WildfireX Its not that serious bro.

70 class is mid range

That is some ps3 era of cope. 60 fps and above is way better than 30 fps, even in single player games

drivers are installed with a press of a button and getting an OLED ultrawide on PC with 175hz is not hard. DLSS3 is absolutely relevant and so is the PS5's dynamic res. I have a 4070TI and the point is to have a high fps experience. No one expects the cost to be similar. Equally, I am playing the last of us part 2 on PS5 after doing part 1 on PC. I got 80-110 frames and going to quality mode at 30fps felt very weird.

@@uste-ru5rx PS2 era. Some of my favourite games of all time are from PS2. RE4, metal gear, Hulk Ultimate Destruction.... Not once did I pine for more fps or fake frames

Except there is the option to unlock the frame rate in the quality mode on ps5

@@umaryusha5792 it’s only 40 fps

1440p Is in general a great resolution to game on. Sharper than 1080p, but still very economical. With a decent card you get a great framerate (90+ often), even when setting graphical details to ultra.

Having to run games at 960p on brand new GPU is ridiculous imo. DLSS looks good when it's set to quality at 4k, giving you 1440p upscaled. Anything else looks too soft.

Although, I've seen Cyberpunk path tracing benchmarks, with DLSS quality, on a 4070ti super at 1440p, which still sees dips below 60. So you either drop dlss to balanced, or you need a 4080 for a smooth 60fps experience, with path tracing at 1440p, at quality.

Foolishness. People overwhelmingly use things like DLSS/FSR when gaming these days. These added features are regularly providing additional performance while providing better AA than most methods. At the end of the day stuff like FG is a welcome option among many.

Forget about the price, that's irrelevant when discussing where this card sits in the range. It's a 70 class card, with 192-bit bus with 12gb VRAM. It's mid-range 100%.

@@fcukugimmeausername my point is, gpu's have gotten far too expensive. a mid range gpu should not be $600

@@cheapbongs Agree absolutely. I see in Australia, where I am from, that 4090's are back up around $4k where they were during Covid/bitcoin days. I can't afford to upgrade from my 3080 and won't be for many years.

@@fcukugimmeausername $4k is just insane! why does it cost so much in australia? i see some here in the usa for as low as $1.6k USD, which is about $2.5k AUS

@@cheapbongs I am not sure, they're not quite $4k, but between $3.5-$3.8k. A 4080 will cost $1.8-$2.2k. Not even close to worth it.

Its mid range gpu from this generation...what else u have below 4060 only... Just blame nvidia for shhty prices...

​@@marcinkarpiuk7797you could call 4060ti mid range, 4060 low end?? Nah But xx50 used to be low end, xx60 mid

@@ElPibePlay1000 sorry 60 was always good budget choice for low(not this gene sadly) not midrange... I know that prices now crazy but thats how it goes...

@norrix420 it's a surprisingly fast and decent GPU. (imho) Happy Gaming! Cheers!

Just got a 3070 and I’m happy to hear that the 4070 super seems to be a nice upgrade coming from a previous owner of a 3070.

600? more like 1000

Well I guess with private jets you could call a Lamborghini a midrange form of transport.

Shut up, $200 is mid range

Honestly, someone who actually understands. There are some people in these comments which just cannot understand that it's overall cost really doesn't have any standing or bearing on what class the GPU is. The class of a GPU is instead, always determined by where it lands in relation to the rest of the current lineup of GPU's. It's relative level of performance also denotes that position, when compared against the other GPU's. It's pretty much slap bang In the middle of the range of Nvidia's GPU's, which denotes that it's a mid range GPU. There's simply no argument to be made that the matter. However there are some dumb ass people who will always try to make an argument against it, just for arguments sake.

@@fafski1199 I will make an arguement against, if you price your high end GPU so high and then and actually have to rename your 4080 range cards "Nvidia has announced the new GeForce RTX 4070 Ti the card previously known as the RTX 4080 12GB" remember this? while selling your 60 series cards up to 500$ and then have to do a refresh where you basically cancel out your old cards to justify keeping your prices high, I would suggest you are the "dumb ass" for buying in to the scam they are running. Oh and if you call the 70 series mid-range the 4070 super is actually the second lowest card in that range so not at all towards the higher end like you say. It's actually the same price the lowest mid-range card launched at..... and even that is only 50$ lower now. So what is it exactly that you "actuallly understand"?

You're midrange