What's weird is I don't hate it

@@theunknown7683cheap black plastic for $1000

For an $800 "70 class" card (which is actually a rebaged 4060). Its obvious from the PCB quality (time stamp 3:15) that cheap components have been used. Ive seen these components used on 3060s, this is quite litteraly 60 class card build quality for $800, yeesh. The memory bus is also the same as a tradtional 60 class card which is 192bit. A true 70 class card has a 256bit memory bus. You canm tell this from the lack of 2 memory chips on the PCB. To think Nvidia had the guts to initially call this a "4080 12Gb" is beyond me.

@@P2PC Because Nvidia charges so much for the GPU itself.

@@P2PC It seems like Ampere is going the RDNA2 route : smaller memory buses but a fuckload of L2 cache. Nvidia might even get away with it better since they're using G6X instead of standard G6 vram.

Lol i know right 😂

Yeah I would be playing things like God of War or Horizon maxed out if I had this gpu

Many people I know have too much money 2 of my friends have 3080 and play games like Dota and csgo lol

@@bootchoo96 I have 3070 ti and I'm playing Dota... it's not that I have too much money but everyone should play what is enjoyable to him and also everyone should be able to afford **70 - **80 tier card...

@@user-ll3kv5jq5v bro how dumb are you, an RTX 4080 starts at 1200 dollars

Not really. People upgrade their PCs to play old games at higher gfx, fps and resolutions all the time

@@NateT3 most people in the world have low end pc's. the steam hardware survey shows that most people on steam have mid-low end gpu's so the top 5 most played game reflect that

Exactly. Most of India isn’t playing on high end equipment. They got gtx 980’s pkaying counter strike.

Hey, my pc isn't a potato, its a lower mid range build

🤣

Oh yeah! Sorry I misspoke there. I use the two terms interchangeably which is incorrect. Thanks for the correction. 👍

Yeah, at launch there were a lot of issues with older games (or any game running on anything other than DirectX 12) but their driver updates have really improved things since then. The hardware itself seems pretty solid, and most of the issues were software/driver related so it could end up being a really great "budget" card option (if it isn't already).

No, it just means you’re not a child

For some technical details, a typical "70 class" Nvidia card has a 256-bit memory bus, this "4070 ti" has a 192 bit memory bus whcih is the same as a "60 class" card. This "4070 ti" is actually a 60 class card and should cost 60 class money, not $800. Still makes me chuckel to think they intended to sell this same card as a "4080 12Gb". The PCB quality of this card is identiacal to that of 3060. The components used are cheap 'A dime a dosen' through hole components. This card is designed with the intent of being cheap to manufacture, very cheap. Nvidia knew that If they releached this card as a 4060 for 60 class money it would kill the 30 series completley, so they jacked up the price. EDIT: Typo

Tbf, few people are actually buying them

@@FreshStew yeah the whole 40 series is a disaster especially with so much 30 GPU dies in stock

They're taking advantage of something I see a lot in the gaming community. Complaining about prices for things (usually games + mtx), but then they spend the money anyway. They probably want to push until there's a realistic backlash, which hasn't happened (maybe in the complaint department, but not in the sales).

@@P2PC I mean, does the 192 bit memory even matter when the performance is good for a 70 class GPU? They always offered the performance from previous generation's flagship - the 1070 had 980 Ti performance, 2070 Super had 1080 Ti performance, 3070 had 2080 Ti performance and now the 4070 Ti has 3090 Ti performance. Obviously the 4070 Ti should be cheaper and its 12GB 192 bit memory is not that good for 4K, but for 1440p it's a beast performance wise and it's not something I would ever expect from a 4060 like you said.

6950xt is roughly the exact same speed for $650

@@TheNewSkai No the 6950XT is not as fast as the 4070ti it's 10-12% slower and that is without DLSS 3. Also if you turn on Ray Tracing which YES PEOPLE ARE USING IT , the 6950XT can't get 30fps in 4K with it.

@@anthonylong5870 You you're right it is a bit slower. I personally wouldn't pay $150 more for better ray tracing performance and less VRAM tho. 12gb isn't enough for high resolution gameplay in some games.

@@TheNewSkai Ray Tracing is the new standard. AMD fans always say stuff like "it's not a real thing" or "nobody uses it" and that is simply not true at all. We are starting to see game manufacturers focussing heavily on Ray Tracing. Just look at Fortnite recently or what Cyberpunk did this week with RT, Hogwarts, Portal etc. All HEAVILY supported and recommend RT. It's not just a small amount of performance difference of RT between AMD and Nvidia. It's a casm in a lot of games.

@@anthonylong5870 I rarely use ray tracing so, for me, it's not worth it. Like I said tho, 12gb vram might not be enough for everything, which is a huge mistake on Nvidia's part.

the pcb is so tiny yet it costs more then a Russian tank to purchase gotta love that one

​@@raven4k998 take ur meds bruh

@@lemonhaze715 done lets get busy now baby

“Dubble”

@@charlesbrown4483 rip e-dubble

You won't see much difference at all in anything 100fps and up anyways

I'm running the same cpu lol. I just got a 13700k though and I'm building that as my next big rig but yea the 6700k I'm paired still with a 1080ti :/ Still runs everything though

For anyone who doesn’t know, that’s what a PCB with components installed in them is going to look like, it’s a side product of the manufacturing process. It’s literally like that from factory.

I have a Ryzen 5 5600 on my desktop and was looking to upgrade from the 1660 I have so may well try the 6700 based on your comment..

@@Holycurative9610 the two games I play the most are Destiny 2 and Cyberpunk 2077. Destiny 2 averages 130ish fps at 1080 max settings. Cyberpunk averages 70ish fps at 1080 ultra settings with ray-tracing off. I've tried ray-tracing, it looks pretty but tanks the framerate. Most stuff will run well at 1080 high/ultra settings.

@@craigbomer8962 Nahh, everything will run great on a 6700xt at 1080p and even 2k. Thing is that cyberpunk is way wayyy more demanding in ultra settings compared to high and the difference in visuals isn't huge.

I found a 6700 xt a month ago for 250 while during the pandemic gpu hoarding I got a 1070 for 300 lmfao

Well I mean, yeah a lot of the games he's testing are ~10 years old. I'd be amazed if you couldn't get hundreds of fps in games that old with current technology.

@@lexiconprime7211 Even newer games will run just fine on both cards, especially in 1440p.

The 4070 ti is a $800 1440p card that cant even play games at native 1440p with rtx. Its hardly a monster, by far the worst card of both companies this gen

4000 series is really only for 5k 6k 8k video editors. 2070 super or a 2080 super is good enough for playing most game at 1400p mid or high settings.

They both have a 192bit bus, 4070 ti has higher bandwidth because the memory is faster. Still, it's disappointing on such an expensive card.

6700xt is the best deal out there right now.

ikr 6700xt is so much better gpu compared what a 4k powerhouse of a card

@@xTurtleOW If you get double the performance in GPU-limited scenarios for double the price, then the 4070Ti is a runaway winner. Typically the premium for higher performance is a sharp curve, not a line.

The 4070 Ti has more than 30% more memory bandwidth than the 6700 XT (504GB/s vs 384 GB/s)

Bro! Legit I’ll be back to comment in 30yrs

cleaver

bro same! Lesgoo

Big fan of my 6800XT. Cyberpunk wanted it to default to ultra ray tracing which is a little much lol.

Hi planning to get one as well .have you noticed any heating issues ? Regards

@@alexisrego1502 that usually depends on the brand of the gpu you're getting and what cooler is on it

Same its great got the Power colour Red Devil version. No regrets

I even have the Power Color Fighter RX 6800 ( Thanks for the bonus large amazon gift card for working a buttload of hours from my company! Lol. ) And the highest Temps I've seen so far are like 57-65 degrees. My old 2060 was constantly between 73-78 degrees.

that is good.

Still overpriced imo. Also it should really have more than 12gb of vram

Right? I'm in a situation where I only play World Of Warships at 1440p maxed out with a 1660 Super but soon want to be able to play Starfield on my 65" LG C1 which is 4k 120Hz with VRR. Not convinced a last gen mid range AMD card without DLSS(yes I know about FSR) is a good deal if it doesn't hold up in 6 months. I feel like the support will give the 4070ti longer legs.

Nah

If only just for gaming then it's fine, but if the user wants to do streaming and editing, then it's better to take the 4070ti, NVENC encoder and Nvidia CUDA are what people need for such tasks (streaming and editing)

@@jamesg8246 I highly doubt the 4070 Ti will be able to run Starfield on high-ultra settings in native 4K 120hz, maybe on DLSS balanced with high settings, there's just not enough vram. Remember to consider that Bethesda is now owned by Microsoft, I highly doubt they will not try to get the most they can out of the console version with it's Zen + RDNA2 architecture and 16 gigabytes of shared GDDR6. It's sad but I'm speaking from experience, my 3070 is almost obsolete for new triple A games at native 1440P (yeah lmao), just because of the vram, it's only a matter of 2 years until 12gb reaches the same spot considering a console can use 14 to 15gb of gddr6 on graphics alone (or even more, there's no official documentation about that so we don't know for sure). Maybe you should consider a 7900 XT after the unavoidable price drops or a RTX 4080 if you want to stay with Nvidia.

@@nicolasteixeira6448 Yeah... it's such a bad time to decide, Starfield got delayed to September since I commented. So for now I have a GeForce Now Ultimate sub that's working well and now that Starfield will be on GFN it may actually be the best option for me to "rent" a 4080 to decide where the next purchase needs to be. I realize that doesn't address the vram quantity question since GFN uses 24Gb 4080's but at least I'll be able to find out if I need a 4080 level gpu or not to play on my LG C1.

looks like 40 inch

What?) The 4070ti is the beast here, not the 6700xt🤣

@@vitali6618 The 4070 ti is a $650 card selling for almost $1000 and since it's a complete ripoff it's not worth considering. I got a 3080 for $450 and can wait out this overpriced nonsense.

I dont see why anyone would take a 4070 ti over a 3090. Its a terrible card for 4k. Paying $800 to be locked into 1440p is a terrible deal.

@@Dempig - hey there.. I had a 3090. The 4070 TI outperforms it across the board using half the power. I bit hard on the 12th gen hyple and got a 12900k out the gate.. It's fast.. but always hits thermal throttle pulling nearly 300 watts in r23. I recently benched that system for a previous gen AMD (I had built one for testing a while back) and I'm running a 5950x that get's all my work done with half the power and is MUCH easier to cool. So I went for efficiency over raw power. My monitor tops out at 120Hz so I don't "NEED" much for gaming to hit those numbers. But for me it was more about content creation (video editing) with less heat and less power. In the end, my 12900k with 360 AIO can get about 27000 in R23 and runs right under the thermal limit. My 5950x will hit almost 30K in r23 and barely hits 80c. So that's why I upgraded to the 4070 ti. New features, better performance, half the power draw. Just a better fit for me personally. Cheers Rick

Yup. Most whiners are jelly

@@19deltascout43 It is usually how it goes, true.

I love Dawid, but I have a 4070 Ti and have never played any of the games in this video. That’s not why I bought it. I’m going to go play Returnal on it now.

@@spehrson Same, I have never played any of the games shown in the video. I don't like mass multiplayer stuff at all. I'm mostly a singleplayer guy, like 95% singleplayer.

I have one and I'm playing Fallout New Vegas ^^'

will be long 10 years with 12GB of VRAM

@@benfrese3573 Thats what they sayed 10 years ago for 8GB of Vram. And they still play the hell out of that 8Gb cards.

@@panterbv First of don't get me wrong I'm not trying to attack you or the guy above that bought a 4070ti. Nvidia's first consumer GPU with over 6GB of VRAM was the GTX Titan X and it had 12GB it released 8 years ago. I can guarantee you that with most modern games not being produced for the PS4 and XBOX One that VRAM usage is only going to go up and its already at a point were 8GB VRAM is not enough for anything above 1440p medium settings no RT in new games. Hogwarts Legacy needs close to 12gb at 1440p medium settings and RT on, for The Last Of Us Part 1 its about the same. And you could now go and blame it on optimization but that's only partly the case, Hogwarts Legacy has gotten many patches improving performance but VRAM usage stayed the same, The Last Of Us Part 1 as well. To say "Thats what they said 10 years ago for 8GB of Vram" is factually wrong because there were like 2 GPU's on the market at that time with 8GB VRAM and they were meant for consumers, and it was said by idiots that think "I will buy the GPU with more raw performance but less VRAM it has to be better" and a 3 year old GPU (RX 6800XT) is killing the 4070ti its almost half the price and it performs at around 86% of the 407ti (except Raytracing, which imo is a bad feature) and on top of that it has more VRAM making it already outperform the 4070ti in some games. And I know you also get DLSS 3 with the 4070ti but that won't help much if its not a performance issue but a lack of VRAM, I tried playing Hogwarts Legacy with my 2070 super at 3440x1440p on medium to low settings, I had VRAM issues and instead of feeling like I'm playing at 70fps with DLSS it felt like 30fps because of the micro stutters caused from not having enough VRAM.

So after seeing this generation's NVidia cards punch up two whole tiers - 70Ti matching the 90Ti from the previous generation - you think that the next cards released will suddenly NOT outperform the previous generation? What are you smoking?

same card for me. at 1440p its perfect. Im loving how lots of 60-series amd cards are actually outshining some 30-series nvidia cards now cause they are reaching their vram limitations while I have a solid 16GB. Never understood what nvidia was thinking, 3060-12gb, 3070 - 8 gb , 3080 10 gb.

I got 6800 too, got it used for 400 euro and it's a beast!

They have yet to be released, but NVIDIA is finally having their plan bite them in the ass: because it's blatantly apparent that they falsely uprated their models to make more money, where we have "4080s" and "4070 Ti" that are more like 70-series and 60-series cards, and they're still selling 30-series cards, their lower-tier cards now have no place in the market. They're going to release a 4060 Ti at $500, but it likely won't even outperform the 3070 TI

@@rustler08 History has proven that AMD is JUST as greedy as Nvidia lmao, look at the 7xxx series card.

The mushroom cloud over Dawid's neighborhood says yes but only for a few short seconds.

@@dakoderii4221 He must live in Ohio.

@@CaveyMoth So the sparks coming from that train car while passing the factory 20 miles ahead of the accident was Dawid gaming on his nuclear reactor PC? 🤔

@@dakoderii4221 That's right. It's all just a big cover up

@@dakoderii4221 nope. It was his hydron collider

Can't wait until the XXFXX SuperBlack Rxxx8000xxxxtx comes out

@@floydlooney6837 yes me tooo will be an xxxxxxxxxxxxxxtreme card!

Don't worry, I bought a new 3070 for a terrible price a month ago. Because otherwise I'd need to upgrade absolutely everything in order to fully utilize 4000 series card. And 3070 was a bit of a performance boost over my overheating 2070S.

The only downside to a 3070ti is the 8GB of vram. The performance is still plenty.

I bought the RTX 4070 Ti for my itx build too and its compact for the amount of power it provides. Temperatures are awesome too.

but its AMD so L

@@bloxoss hate me for it. I'm satisfied.

I agree 100%. Was just thinking exactly this last night. "Future proofing", maybe, is getting top of the list, best and most expensive tech. And you'll be futureproof for a... 2-3 years. Most people have human level budgets and get what they need now. And when every god damn AAA title comes out unoptimized, "future proofing" is even more irrelevant term today.

I undervolted my ryzen 5900x, and the net effect is like overclocking because PBO sees extra thermal headroom.

@@colonelangus7535 same with my r9 7950x

Broke gang

Wow that's a lot of money for the cheapest GPU they could manufacture..

until it overheats and dies😂😂

@@jacobjimenez2629 junction temps are 80 degrees. No issues.

this was my main hangup when picking a new card for the PC I just built. I ultimately went with the 4070ti for the lower power draw and temps, but also bc I only game at 1080p 240fps which seems to be the sweet spot for the 4070ti. My next upgrade will probably be AMD tho

rust is the only game that ever brings my pc to its knees

Because it is and always has been terribly optimized. It looks fine, but not for the performance you get.

Because it's an unoptimized mess of a game

should be for the price ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm starting to realize this with my 3080 10GB.

I think that's the overlay from MSI Afterburner.

If you search KZfaq there are good tutorials on setting that up.

MSI afterburner in combination with Rivatuner statistics Server. Screen capture with OBS, you're welcome

@@mkkohls Thank you!

@@Mom19 Thank you!

why would you even contemplate upgrading from a 3080 😭😭 You have issues

@@ed8212 Issues like what, having a really well-paying job and can afford it?

@@grizkin7735 spending money on dumb shit. 3080 can play anything bro. Upgrading would be pointless.

@@grizkin7735 I mean if you have literally nothing and no one else to spend the money on then frivolity is the last remaining option, you go I guess