Rugby Referee Analysis: Ben O'Keeffe | Springboks vs Australia 2023

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TASanalytics

11 ай бұрын

I'll start by saying that overall I thought the officiating was good. In general I think Ben O'Keeffe is a good ref, and what I like the most about him is the fact that he is one of the very refs that will publicly admit if he made a mistake and then he'll discuss his decision making in making that mistake. He's not like most refs, who hide behind closed doors and play the whole "refs are human" excuse card. Now, Ben did have a shocker in the Super Rugby final, I don't think anybody can deny that, but he got attacked on social media by fans and they attacked him with personal stuff. I'm all for if he criticizing a ref for his officiating that happened on the field, but that gives nobody the right to attack a ref on his personal life, people who do that are stupid, there's no other way to say it. I just wanted to make that clear because it's childish and stupid to attack a ref on social media with stuff that is absolutely nothing related to his performance. If you want to criticize the ref, keep your criticism about his officiating.
No that I got that out of the way, in this game my issues were more with the AR's at scrum time and then the TMO also missed a few stuff. There was a few mistakes from Ben O'Keeffe himself, but that's going to happen in rugby. The first part I show some foul play from Marika Koroibete, who made 2 questionable tackles. Now he has shown he has a history of this where he does not use arms and just dives shoulder first into a ball carrier. 2 of them were not even checked by the TMO, then on the 2nd one as well, we have Willie le Roux going into the face of the ref and trying to milk a yellow card from the ref. Now I do think the tackle should be checked, but the way Willie le Roux acted there was unacceptable, and also has a history of this. This is classic Johny Sexton behaviors where a player is milking the situation. I hate that and feel like it should be stopped. I honestly wouldn't mind if the penalty got overturned and Willie got penalized. Not to mention the SA Broadcaster who is trying to show the replay multiple times without the ref going to the TMO, which indicates they're trying to force the ref to use the TMO. Which is another thing I hate, the broadcaster should not play the role of TMO, the TMO should check it on his own.
Then there also was a tackle by Pieter Steph du Toit, when I saw it life I thought it was going to be checked by the TMO because PSDT just dived into the head of a ball carrier with his shoulder. It was reckless. This happened fast, so I can understand the ref missing it, but the TMO should help him there.
Then there were the scrums that I thought was poorly handled by Ben as well as his AR's. But mostly his AR's as in most cases he was on the other side of the scrum where it collapsed, and the AR had clear vision of it, but never told him. Which led to scrums being reset, that should've been penalties to SA. I also wasn't a fan of Ben not rewarding SA for a dominant scrum. He was inconsistent the whole time at scrum. He keeps telling SA to use the ball, when the scrum was collapsed by Australia before the ball was available. Then on other cases he'll reward the penalty. It was just inconsistent at scrum time.
But like I said, if we look at the full game overall, I think he had a good game. But was not a fan of the AR's, who were - Paul Williams (NZR), Andrea Piardi (FIR), as well as the TMO who was, Brendon Pickerill (NZR).
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@majorsmurf-productionsmsp1737
@majorsmurf-productionsmsp1737 11 ай бұрын
The only one I'm worried about is the bad tackling of korobete .....his a risk will end up hurting himself or someone else seriously one of these days
@groenrizla2513
@groenrizla2513 11 ай бұрын
He's a serious liability for Aus and on the whole, Aus needs to fix their discipline as it is.
@andreaoliva6712
@andreaoliva6712 11 ай бұрын
Koroibete has consistently charged with shoulder and no arms in years and too often got away with it. If he injures himself, well he played with fire. Likely he'll hurt somebody else and a couple of cards here and there would help his (rather poor) discipline
@RabbitholeIsrael
@RabbitholeIsrael 11 ай бұрын
@@andreaoliva6712 maybe he is related to no arms farrell
@andreaoliva6712
@andreaoliva6712 11 ай бұрын
@@RabbitholeIsrael almost twins ;)
@jacqloock
@jacqloock 11 ай бұрын
He has the Owen Farrell immunity from consequences upgrade.
@IwasInThe60s
@IwasInThe60s 11 ай бұрын
What makes Ben O'Keefe such a great referee is his rapport with the players. Even after Willie le Roux's somewhat over-enthusiastic advice, he simply said: "thank you, Willie" and carried on. He is also not trigger-happy with handing out cards. Top referee.
@Thatiscutebr0
@Thatiscutebr0 11 ай бұрын
Out of all the refs, Ben has definitely improved the most in this World Cup cycle and has become a very good ref
@vanman7805
@vanman7805 11 ай бұрын
In my opinion, the best referee in the sport. Not just for his rapport, but makes great calls with what he has, tries to be logical and fair in the spirit of the game and does not go on a power trip like some referees do.
@kristian762
@kristian762 11 ай бұрын
Koroibete was hassling Moodie the whole game, taking cheap shots, going high, grabbing him on the neck... seemed intentional to me
@lafras1973
@lafras1973 11 ай бұрын
This was one of the better matches in terms of flow. There was no gross dirty play that was missed and yes no.11 tackling at first seem dangerous but not as bad as previously. In slomo it looks much worse. The ref cannot blow each and every mistake and the game was played at a nice pace....not stop start etc. There was no blatant mistakes costing any team to loose.
@dougerrohmer
@dougerrohmer 11 ай бұрын
I agree. Well said.
@mikezog1030
@mikezog1030 11 ай бұрын
I feel a word in the ear of the ref about no 11 (lets face it he is a repeat offender here) before the game may go far...
@oldblack15
@oldblack15 11 ай бұрын
Looking at the first yellow and penalty try. Slow motion shows green 5 arm around neck of gold 2 forcing porecki upwards and backwards in the moving maul.Without that grapple he would of stayed down. On game time I think it was 51.45
@mikezog1030
@mikezog1030 11 ай бұрын
@@oldblack15 In the jump and setup, Porecki pushed his head through and ended up with green arm around his neck. It was the only place the arm could push against. Its called winning the maul. Also Porecki could have just gone backwards instead of bringing it down.
@oldblack15
@oldblack15 11 ай бұрын
​@@mikezog1030lol pushing your head through a arm bar and getting your neck stuck? If your in a choke hold from above, pulling you up, you will lift up and backwards too. That's not what "winning a maul" is. Wouldn't have fallen over backwards otherwise, resulting in 15 players staying on the field and no penalty try.
@Blackbeard0456
@Blackbeard0456 11 ай бұрын
Great analysis TAS, well balanced and consideration given to ref line of sight. Nice technical breakdown without bashing the ref. 👍
@dougerrohmer
@dougerrohmer 11 ай бұрын
@@NZTrumpFan I think you'll find that there aren't that many Biden voters, just a helluva lot of "anyone-but-Orangeboi" voters. Now fokof and leave politics out of it.
@keanubahnsen1791
@keanubahnsen1791 11 ай бұрын
Petition to let Rassie Erasmus do TMO ? 😂
@karlosdeevs
@karlosdeevs 11 ай бұрын
what else do ya need, a can opener for the worms too?
@ynwa197
@ynwa197 11 ай бұрын
That Australian winger is a dirty player and must be banned. Same incident last championship with Mapimpi when he shoulder tackled Mapimpi on the line. Now his doing it to moodley
@andreaoliva6712
@andreaoliva6712 11 ай бұрын
Well he was celebrated for that "try saving" tackle on Mapimpi by some press, if I recall. Yellow card and penalty try to my mind... No much changed in his approach. He probably needs to take 10 minutes on the bin a little more often
@dougerrohmer
@dougerrohmer 11 ай бұрын
I think the ref did ping the Boks for a not straight line out throw, and at that point I giggled because the Aussies had been getting away with it all along. But overall, the ref did a good job.
@sylviagreybe672
@sylviagreybe672 11 ай бұрын
I was yelling at the screen for the ref to blow the many not straight throw ins the Aussies had had up until the one he blew SA for.
@dougerrohmer
@dougerrohmer 11 ай бұрын
@@sylviagreybe672 And immediately afterwards there was a scrum and Nick Snor tossed the ball in through the mouth of the scrum and it bounced under his eighth man's feet. 😁 I guess we gotta keep the ball flowing...
@headintheclouds6935
@headintheclouds6935 11 ай бұрын
​@@dougerrohmer genuinely can't remember when I saw a crooked feed call at a tier one test
@dougerrohmer
@dougerrohmer 11 ай бұрын
@@headintheclouds6935 Yeah but it's fine. It's inherently the same for both teams so no harm done. But funny to watch 😁
@andrewleigh3
@andrewleigh3 11 ай бұрын
As a ref you cannot catch each and every incident in the game, not humanly possible. You check the offside line and miss the shoulder, only one pair of eyes out there in the park. Thought the referee had a great game, used his assistant referees and the TMO very well. One of the better refereed games I have seen for a while. I liked his calm deliberate approach. I hate penalty tries but both were probably deserved.
@tsaki_titan
@tsaki_titan 11 ай бұрын
That's probably why theres 2 other refs on the side and a bunch more watching every move called the TMO. Did you know about that?😀😀😀
@thecuttingsark5094
@thecuttingsark5094 11 ай бұрын
If the ref and his team can’t catch every incident, doesn’t that suggest there is a problem with the game?
@Afro_15
@Afro_15 11 ай бұрын
But the guy continues to do the same thing, last time he almost injures Mampimpi with almost the tackle why can they offer after match suction
@andreasansotta4974
@andreasansotta4974 11 ай бұрын
You should retire.
@DataDuncan
@DataDuncan 11 ай бұрын
Ben had a good game I thought. Sure if you watch it again from the TV's angle where you can see tho whole pitch, you can probably spot a couple of half misses but thats rugby and he was fair.
@staffy3490
@staffy3490 11 ай бұрын
I thought as a officials team the game flowed a lot better, I wasn't paying attention to refereeing decisions the whole match I was focused on the great game of rugby, which should indicate that overall the ref team did a good job. the few things that were missed are understandable and mostly is balanced out at then end. 7/10 for me ;)
@andreaoliva6712
@andreaoliva6712 11 ай бұрын
Letting the game flow is one of the trademarks of good refs. Getting everything right is clearly impossible, so is complete consistency, ref did a pretty decent job
@RabbitholeIsrael
@RabbitholeIsrael 11 ай бұрын
@@andreaoliva6712 accept for the scrums, it all seems fair.
@tasanalytics
@tasanalytics 11 ай бұрын
Like I said, overall I though he was good. Most of the issues were more with the AR's and TMO, the only real mistakes I think Ben made was he didn't reward SA at scrum time. Even with the AR's not helping, there was a couple of times where SA has to use the ball when the scrum was collapsed before the ball was available. If World Rugby wants teams to use the ball more at scrum time, then rather just remove scrums as a whole. What's the point of developing a dominant scrum, just for it to be neutralized by officiating.
@MrMattiepan
@MrMattiepan 11 ай бұрын
​@tasanalytics didn't think I would ever hear you say those words. "Ben O keefe was good". Maybe he knew you had a short hiatus, so he better be good, or there would be a youtube vid with his name on it😂
@dougerrohmer
@dougerrohmer 11 ай бұрын
@@tasanalytics I think there is some punishment for the Aussie tighthead, because he knows wherever tightheads get together for next couple of years they are gonna say to each other "Did you see how two different looseheads make that guy faceplant 5 times in one game? Geez, he's kak!"
@MrBriang1
@MrBriang1 11 ай бұрын
Liking the more balanced and level headed analysis and examples shown compared to when this channel first started - good job on this one, showing how both sides did benefit from the ref, in some instances, not being able to be "everywhere" Agree that the Wallabies seemed to get away with too much at scrum time!!
@ShilohJacobs-bz9qm
@ShilohJacobs-bz9qm 11 ай бұрын
It's extremely dangerous diving on top of a player on the ground.Le Roux's action absolutely normal.It's not as if there wasn't an issue here.
@Ghoulza
@Ghoulza 11 ай бұрын
yes shoulder charge was out of line, but Le Roux cant be running up to the ref like that this isnt soccer. let your captain deal with stuff like that. treat the ref with respect no matter how many bad calls they might miss
@tasanalytics
@tasanalytics 11 ай бұрын
I don't know, I don't like that. if it was a situation where his teammate was seriously injured or got punched or something, I could understand. But it wasn't that serious. Just look at Johny Sexton, he's looks like a child on the field with how he complains in a game. We don't need that with the boks
@Rustie_za
@Rustie_za 11 ай бұрын
@@tasanalytics agree. We dont need a Boks version of Nic White. Nic white is a disgrace and I cannot stand the guy for that incident. He is scum.
@LTronZero
@LTronZero 11 ай бұрын
It was a cheap shot by someone significantly bigger and older than moody. Which constantly goes unpunished. Don’t blame him at all. Also probably would have gone upstairs if it was a springbok who did it
@karlosdeevs
@karlosdeevs 11 ай бұрын
@@tasanalyticsdon’t judge ppl by their looks kind, remember Sexton is captain and Le Roux’s not
@naidoo307
@naidoo307 11 ай бұрын
Looks like wallies lucky not to lose by a much bigger margin 😮
@andreaoliva6712
@andreaoliva6712 11 ай бұрын
Very much so. Not too much of a stretch seeing some aussie front rowers being given 10 minutes to rest...
@christiangerhardt2408
@christiangerhardt2408 11 ай бұрын
Koroibete ahould have been given a red.
@karlosdeevs
@karlosdeevs 11 ай бұрын
too soon🤣
@johanvanzyl8479
@johanvanzyl8479 11 ай бұрын
THIS WAS AS GOOD A PERFORMANCE AS ONE CAN WISH FOR FROM THE OFFICIALS. Tmo was also quick.
@andresdeks
@andresdeks 11 ай бұрын
Well donr for being impartial, the aussie 11 has a serious history of dangerous play. Some players have a one off, but he really needs to be hauled in.
@wesley290
@wesley290 11 ай бұрын
What about the Manie Libbok disallowed try. I thought PSdT only hit the Aussie player's arm to make him drop it and did not actually touch the ball itself. The Aussie try at the end was also the result of a very forward pass.
@andreaoliva6712
@andreaoliva6712 11 ай бұрын
How about calling it "a correct call" from Ref/Assistant/TMO team?
@henniedevos
@henniedevos 11 ай бұрын
​@@andreaoliva6712It is not a correct call.I guess the ref felt sorry for Australia and gave that last try🤷
@andreaoliva6712
@andreaoliva6712 11 ай бұрын
@@henniedevos was referring to the PSdT thing only as it seems he (accidentally) touched the ball
@henniedevos
@henniedevos 11 ай бұрын
@@andreaoliva6712 k
@tasanalytics
@tasanalytics 11 ай бұрын
I think PSdT definitely touched the ball in the tackle. That was the correct call for me. The last try, I did check that as I also felt it was forward when it happened. But Duane asked the ref to check before the conversion and they did check and confirmed it was straight or not enough to overturn the on field decision. I also went to check it myself, It looked straight to me. I don't think there would've been anyway to overturn that. If that was forward, then the pass from Am to Kurt Lee Arendse should also have been forward, but in both cases where it was on-field decision is try, I can't see how a TMO overturns it from the angles they had.
@andy_olive
@andy_olive 11 ай бұрын
Really like how you just do one video highlighting all the mistakes not just the ones one way or another. ;)
@cameronmurie
@cameronmurie 9 ай бұрын
I have been enjoying and learning a lot from your Ref. and player analysis: Great stuff. I am not so sure I agree with a few of your highlights here: in the replays of Aus. 12 on Moodie: Aus 12 is an arriving player after moodie tackled fairly by Aus 11. Aus 12 is never off his feet and to me the contact is on the light side and not definitive of head/neck play. I agree completely about Willie trying to milk it. in that line-out knock-on regather: I am not sure its really clear that Bongi "influences/touches" that ball, and I would be "rewarding" if one can say that - the regather. ( what I really mean is its a clear knock-on if its ball to turf) but if it's regathered I reckon play on. Now: when Kitsoff Binds ( and he does bind) onto our 6 : All are on their feet and he is also first guy arriving: to me it's briefly a bound maul and If his bind don't change or drop hes NOT going to be off side. There's no completed tackle and On they go. So? no obstruction to me. I guess on balance I think some of these plays were "marginal" and within referees call discretion? Is it fair to say there is the Letter of the Law but also the spirit of the game?
@Manihiki275Ez
@Manihiki275Ez 11 ай бұрын
Korobete had the same issues in Rugby League not wrapping the arms! But it's all throughout the NRL with players not wrapping arms. It's only when a player is injured they slow down the replay and pick up the shoulder charge lol!! But I personally love the shoulder charge lol should have never removed it
@JMz685
@JMz685 10 ай бұрын
Facts 💯
@Blackbeard0456
@Blackbeard0456 11 ай бұрын
Correct me if im wrong but didn't the rules recently change regarding non straight lineout, ref only penalises if the opposition contest, if they dont jump then play continues? I thought ref had a great game but was let down by AR not communicating scrum collapse and TMO who uses hawkeye with 10 second delay is meant to pick up dangerous play the ref misses so dont understand how Aus 11 or SA 7 werent picked up by tmo and referred to the ref. There was one other incident I noticed which was when SA no 9 attemps to play ball at back of a ruck but is pulled into ruck by Aus player and taken off his feet, 2nd AUS player then comes through and picks up ball from SA side of ruck and makes a break as deemed ball is out of ruck after scrumhalf is taken out, thus stopping a significant attack opportunity for SA, however I thought it was illegal to grab/interfere with scrumhalf at back of ruck.
@aurelius1877
@aurelius1877 11 ай бұрын
Really fair and balanced analysis I didn’t watch the game but seems unbiased. 1) The first one I think it’s kinda hard since he crunched the guy not allowing him to wrap. 2) With the scrum ones, I think he’s probably missing it and in order to speed games up with the new spirit of the game stuff he tells them to play it. Apart from that agree with most things.
@chris5240
@chris5240 11 ай бұрын
2) Asking for a reset doesn't speed up the game for the scrums that ought to have been penalties though.
@aurelius1877
@aurelius1877 11 ай бұрын
@@chris5240 what? That’s got literally nothing to do with what I said? I said for the ones he missed instead of resetting it he told them to play it to speed things up?
@chris5240
@chris5240 11 ай бұрын
@@aurelius1877 He could have told him to use it and still given SA advantage for Aus infringement at scrum time.
@aurelius1877
@aurelius1877 11 ай бұрын
@@chris5240 but if you read my comment, he missed the infringement/ appears to miss it. Instead of resetting it and slowing the game down he tells them to play it.
@chris5240
@chris5240 11 ай бұрын
@@aurelius1877 Okay yeah, I guess that makes sense somewhat. Although the scrum did collapse on ref's side and maybe didn't want to continue to be so severe vs Aus since the game had been won and lost for some time. I don't mind some leniency sometimes.
@thecuttingsark5094
@thecuttingsark5094 11 ай бұрын
Seems to me that the refs had been briefed to ‘play on’ this weekend
@ljtheman7875
@ljtheman7875 11 ай бұрын
Over all great performance from Ben O'keefe
@YOYOTh1s
@YOYOTh1s 10 ай бұрын
Interestingly, I did hear Ben O'Keefe ask Andrea Piardi to talk to him more clearly and faster in the first half shortly after a scrum.
@oldblack15
@oldblack15 11 ай бұрын
Re the scrum collapsing; green grabs yellow jersey pulls it towards himself and downwards which looks like what helps yellow to fall/collapse.
@JMz685
@JMz685 10 ай бұрын
Marika Koroibete’s fist tackle was good. You’re supposed to use your shoulder when you tackle, and his arm comes around to wrap anyway. He just strong that the player bounces away before he can wrap. Honestly if that isn’t a legitimate tackle then I don’t know whats happening to rugby. Marika has got natural strength 💪🇫🇯 Rugby league has been way more entertaining for a long time now. Faster and less stoppages from the refs.
@mikezog1030
@mikezog1030 11 ай бұрын
I have actually seen refs calling for the scrumhalf to play the ball at the back of the scrum. However as far as I am aware, there is no rule that says that if it is available, the scrumhalf must play it - especially not at the command of the ref! A team should be able to decide if they want to keep it in the scrum. If the scrum has collapsed in the meantime, it is the ref's job to decide what caused it and if a team should be penalised, but not to just order the team to play the ball.
@Stooeybear13
@Stooeybear13 8 ай бұрын
Just watched the Ireland vs South Africa game last night for RWC. I feel as if Ben O Keefe missed a lot of calls in that match: Etzebeth constantly offside, a couple of forward passes from both teams, etc.
@RabbitholeIsrael
@RabbitholeIsrael 11 ай бұрын
i think that 11 falling on the wing was lucky he didnt make contact with head and instead made contact on his shoulder
@ozmanoshe
@ozmanoshe 11 ай бұрын
Put tech in the ball and palyer jerseys or shoes to take over or assist with detection of: forward pass, lineout throw in, offside line, point where the ball goes out. There would have to be a margin of error so that it doesnt flag everything thats a few inches off and it would flag it to the video ref and touch judges to either ignore it or advise the primary referee. This would leave the on field officials to focus primarily on rucks, knock ons and foul play. Not having to watch the offside line would be the biggest diffence maker in general play. It would also remove some of the inherent bias of referees who ignore off side play of certain teams based on reputation.
@jasonmazaris4614
@jasonmazaris4614 11 ай бұрын
Only thing i was worried about were the two tackles highlighted againts koribete, especially the one where the player was already on the floor, for me thats at the very least a penalty if hes lucky. Other than that i think the flow of the game from the refs was alright. Couple of calls missed for either side but you cant catch everything
@chris5240
@chris5240 11 ай бұрын
Yeah it has tacking a player on the ground, also if it was considered "rucking", it was from the the side.
@andreaoliva6712
@andreaoliva6712 11 ай бұрын
Koroibete has been a yellow/red card walking for quite some time. He needs to sort out his discipline
@tristiana5642
@tristiana5642 11 ай бұрын
Aiyt the one with Kitsi blocking, i think it's a tough call to say he was blocking when the initial tackler isn't obstructed. Kitsi goes to pull no6 to keep him on his feet or to keep the momentum going. It's a tough one, he definitely could've been penalised.
@granthibberd6069
@granthibberd6069 11 ай бұрын
One of the better games ito how the game flowed, felt like a few years back before all the nambi bull crept in. But I was pissed off that a few hits weren’t checked as I’m sure Boks would get carded for similar
@sportislit
@sportislit 11 ай бұрын
I agree with you saying that willie rushing to the ref and trying to get a penalty and yellow card for Aus 11 after the dangerous tackle,but I also agree with willie talking to the ref it just has to be in a more respectful manner and I think the captain should be speaking to the ref about this.
@RabbitholeIsrael
@RabbitholeIsrael 11 ай бұрын
yes the ref could have told willie to get out of his face, but he respects his elders, willie being 10 years older than him.
@MorneWillemse1
@MorneWillemse1 11 ай бұрын
Just keep in mind you are using video forward, rewind and pause plus angles. Hard for the refree to see and the lines man all angles and all places. Well done.
@MorneWillemse1
@MorneWillemse1 11 ай бұрын
How many camera's is there on the play in a match? We need a layout of it printed in the news paper. Don't see any running angle camera men and high gain microphones.
@tasanalytics
@tasanalytics 11 ай бұрын
@@MorneWillemse1 trust me, the TMO has a lot more angles than you think. I've seen it myself. With the 6 Nations game I got a hold of those angles. They can literally see 360 degree all over the field. That is a weak excuse that World Rugby uses. I can understand it being difficult for the ref, but being a TMO has to be the easiest job in sports.
@sliew9120
@sliew9120 11 ай бұрын
this is the music when u discover a new planet or spot a forward pass
@melbeeswax6087
@melbeeswax6087 11 ай бұрын
Oh and you missed the tackle off the ball by SA 9 on Aus 1 when you were bleating on about that knock on, which is not as clear cut as you make it out to be, by the way. You might need your own TMO.
@mckellardenzyl
@mckellardenzyl 11 ай бұрын
Ref is just a human lol. Love it or hate but there's no end to any ref's controversial decision and how fans react to it. It's part of the game. Live with it.
@stevenmcalister826
@stevenmcalister826 11 ай бұрын
Nobody is above being held accountable for their mistakes. If referee performances are sub-par they deserve to be called out for it. If professionals want to be treated as such, they need to perform to those levels. Can’t have your cake and eat it too.
@mckellardenzyl
@mckellardenzyl 11 ай бұрын
@@stevenmcalister826 I agree but if you want the ref to be accountable, World Rugby should implement the "Challenge" option like the NRL has. But again, even the S/A players didn't even complain about that Alan Alaalatoa knock on which led to their first try. Rugby can be so fast sometimes that both players and ref can miss the mistakes that happen on field. I can even bet you that this person who made this analytical video didn't even see that error live. It's only after the fact that people can taaaakkkeeee their time in analyzing the ref's mistakes lol which we don't have in a live game. Like I said, it's never ending so live with it. It's part of the game.
@gzvanderwest
@gzvanderwest 11 ай бұрын
I one 100% agree with you notion of SA 15 Willie. I know he has the experience to call these things out, however he seem to focus more on analyzing the ref than playing the game. Well, maybe all I am trying to say is he can play even better if he stops his bitching in the game. If you have an issue speak to your captain. Haha
@gk3735
@gk3735 11 ай бұрын
No way that the PTSD head contact is remotely clear in that angle. You can see the Aus players head move but not a single frame suggests it was head on head contact.
@wynandvanzyl8798
@wynandvanzyl8798 11 ай бұрын
I speak as a South African supporter. Correct me if I am wrong, but there are about 48 to 50 laws in the lineout rule book that can be used to blow the lineouts alone. The rugby law book is thicker than the law book of the Federal Republic of Germany and believe me if I say they have the most laws in the world. Rugby is a very quick and hard game I also get pissed if the refs make stupid mistakes that cost my team to lose. The fact is if the refs blow every rule in the book the game will stop and nothing will happen. Judgment in a split-second is required even if there is a minor obstruction or some mistake that happens in the heat of the moment. Let the game flow if it is minor, but judge things that are dangerous to the players.
@likhayam
@likhayam 11 ай бұрын
By the Rationale of the video maker, this who game should have been reviewed each n every decision, I'm sure they would still be playing
@dermotquinn
@dermotquinn 11 ай бұрын
I think the flow was helped by not calling each and every scrum penalty. In a WC knockout game that must be applied to ensure the importance of the scrum is respected. Rugby is meant to be a bit about attrition and the trade-off between power and speed. So calling the scrums in big games is NB. I watched it live and then at home...usually you see so many ref mistakes that were not visible from the stands. This was not the case.
@darionvandyk
@darionvandyk 11 ай бұрын
I agree that 15 is out of line but if he didn't do it it would of been unseen
@TheThinkingMathematician
@TheThinkingMathematician 11 ай бұрын
This channel really tries to be objective! Impossible to do but the sincere attempt makes this one of the best rugby channels post matches
@johnjames6620
@johnjames6620 11 ай бұрын
Channels like these are important. Refs need to review their reffing and calls post-match in order to improve.
@Ghoulza
@Ghoulza 11 ай бұрын
you will still see people of the lossing team camplaining that he is being bias. even if he pings SA more than the other team. and bare in mind i'm not talking about Aussies here, any team that looses you'll see someone in the comments section compain about him being bias, to be fare SA commentators do that alot as well, so it's the commentators fault really
@johnjames6620
@johnjames6620 11 ай бұрын
@@NZTrumpFan Squidge and this channel serve different purposes
@michaelkeegan9260
@michaelkeegan9260 11 ай бұрын
The scrum thing is probably a directive from world rugby to improve the viewer experience. But they shouldnt tell refs to ignore rules. They should enforce the rules as written. If scrums are reffed the way they were in this game there is no point in them. May as well go play nrl. Koroboite is a thug. He should not be selected on principle. Refs should be scrutinising him like tax auditors in a recession.
@dieterbester9528
@dieterbester9528 11 ай бұрын
i would love to see the ref and AR call as they see the game. give each captain two white cards to refer to tmo which if yhe captain get it correct retain the card and wrong loose it. this will take pressure of the officials and back on team and coaches. they need to stay clean and refer real issues and not cry afterwards. about out of their control and "inches"
@bittersweet340
@bittersweet340 11 ай бұрын
Should not be collapsing scrums in the modern game... thats why they bind together before the hit..
@Cenotaur1
@Cenotaur1 10 ай бұрын
I think WR want to avoid too much 'stop-start' rugby because it doesn't make for an entertaining spectacle; that's why a lot of scrums - that could have been penalised - are left play on. Sometimes it's frustrating but if everything is pinged the game won't flow.
@Bobbydyland
@Bobbydyland 11 ай бұрын
1st clip - Yeah, this was viable live, and should have been called out. The Oz 11 is dangerous and needs his tackle technique correcting. He's going to hurt someone pretty badly one day. 2nd Clip - also clear as day. After the first yellow from the above this would have been his second. It's not a high tackle, it's diving on a man on the ground. Its dangerous and should have been his second yellow of the night and game over for Oz 11. Agree on Willie coming in and turning the penalty over would have been fair, but the second yellow should have stood. TV producers ave waaaay too much impact on the crowd. 3rd clip. - Don't agree here, Oz 8 is dipping and PSTD is already committed to a tackle. Penalty for sure, but I can't see that being any more than yellow. 4th clip. Yeah, fair. TMO should have reviewed that it was in the same phase of play as the try. No excuse. 5th Clip. Not sure I agree, SA 1 is bound on the ball carrier and then a maul is formed (as there are 3 or more players on their feet). I think this call is fair. Also the try score from that phase of play should have got a 3rd card for Oz 11. 6th - 9th clips (scrums). yeah, agreed but scrums are a difficult thing for some refs to call. thankfully it didn't impact the outcome. Final clip - Disagree, you can see Roos takes the ball from inside the linout. His hands are to the left of his hips when he takes the ball. Finally, please do a highlight reel of all of OZ 11's bullsh!t tackels over the last 12 months (or whoever long). The man is a liability.
@Skyscraper2015
@Skyscraper2015 11 ай бұрын
I think this oke should be TMO for all our World Cup matches. Clearly knows how to use the television properly
@TheAseer2020
@TheAseer2020 11 ай бұрын
I have always felt that Rugby in the pro era needs to have more officials on the field. I do not know what the appropriate number of officials would be for 30 players. Grid iron football has 6ish for 22 players. Rugby needs at least one other field reff. Let's start with 4 officials.
@JoeTheLion60
@JoeTheLion60 11 ай бұрын
Thought BoK had a great game> Scrumming for penalties? Yes when you can but better to let the ball go and play it...The only thing I agree with is Koribete's high shot - saw it at the time and was surprised it wasn't checked. He is a serial offender with high shots (like O Farrell)
@user-ov5td7ip7j
@user-ov5td7ip7j 11 ай бұрын
What about the knock on by SA in the lead up to the first try
@arushagerber5257
@arushagerber5257 11 ай бұрын
the sa 1 did not cauese obstruction because the tackle was still made
@zacharychen4548
@zacharychen4548 11 ай бұрын
This just shows how poorly scrums are reffed needs to be fix as it is very frustrating
@eugiestiensviljoen3521
@eugiestiensviljoen3521 11 ай бұрын
Good refereering
@karlosdeevs
@karlosdeevs 11 ай бұрын
Indeed, props to Benno
@jasonbronkhorst7614
@jasonbronkhorst7614 11 ай бұрын
I agree with some of your points during the game, and don't agree with some, I have always said that perhaps refs should get fined for very poor performance, however looking for faults during a live game, whilst getting your position correct, as well as letting the game flow , and keeping it exciting !. My question is where do we stop because what you perceive to be fair, flowing, exciting rugby may not be the same as mine or the next guy.
@andrewlowry2142
@andrewlowry2142 11 ай бұрын
History indeed shows that Ko....te is indeed a gangster player
@hedleysnyman8868
@hedleysnyman8868 8 ай бұрын
the SA vs France game was removed instantly
@RabbitholeIsrael
@RabbitholeIsrael 11 ай бұрын
ref could have told willie to get out of his face, but he respects his elders, willie being 10 years older than him.
@karlosdeevs
@karlosdeevs 11 ай бұрын
You obviously know nothing. O’Keefe is actually 34, whilst Le Roux is still 33. Stop blurting out farcical facts
@RabbitholeIsrael
@RabbitholeIsrael 11 ай бұрын
@@karlosdeevs yeah right. And we should believe you?
@karlosdeevs
@karlosdeevs 11 ай бұрын
@@RabbitholeIsrael hey small tip, why don’t you go research facts instead of making them up. Then it wouldn’t sound like you turned 13
@RabbitholeIsrael
@RabbitholeIsrael 11 ай бұрын
@@karlosdeevs why dont you go research what a joke is. I think you might learn something.
@karlosdeevs
@karlosdeevs 11 ай бұрын
@@RabbitholeIsrael all joke huh? or just foliage to mask the underlying sinicism..
@geoffallen2835
@geoffallen2835 10 ай бұрын
Did I just see Korobete shoulder Arense's head when Arense went to score?! Again?! I think less chirping would be good, but I suspect it happens more often because obvious fouls are missed or ignored, perhaps for the sake of keeping a gaming flowing. I think refs should be strict early in the games and stop teams from breaking rules. Not throwing in straight at lineouts and entering loose scrums from the side, are my major bitch.
@michaeldethierry5901
@michaeldethierry5901 11 ай бұрын
Korobete is a no arms tackler always going in with the shoulder he did it all last year and he did it against the boks how is he still on the field
@georgefrederikoosthuizen891
@georgefrederikoosthuizen891 11 ай бұрын
As a safa i hate wr they killed rugby not the referees ,and if a ref is concistent its no prob.....2silly penalty tries i hate it cards and penalty tries for simply knockon and such stuff...to many card to many ruels to many things no ref or all officials on the day cant intrepret all these rules......also they can deside who to win in close games and always against sa like 2022,in short the problem is wr not referees..
@peterboyd7304
@peterboyd7304 11 ай бұрын
power of the scrums exceed the breaking strain of the guys in the front, and its only going to get worse.been a blight for years.they won't fix it.not being allowed to make a tackle to save a try when 6 guys are in front of the ball shepherding it is stupid too.
@sulaimantoefy2030
@sulaimantoefy2030 11 ай бұрын
His still upset when Canan stole his ball and scored his first try on debut 😂😂❤upyoubokke!!!!!❤
@brendonvandermerwe8570
@brendonvandermerwe8570 11 ай бұрын
Fair analysis except for the Peter Steph "shoulder to head" incident...there I disagree
@terrencepeters9203
@terrencepeters9203 11 ай бұрын
As a South African, having watched rugby for donkey years, Australia will be back.
@andreaoliva6712
@andreaoliva6712 11 ай бұрын
Hard to see how, at this point. I'm under the impression current pool of players is far from the quality they need and there is no time for a revolution before the RWC. Even if he was a proper wizard Eddie Jones won't have time to do anything other than damage limitation. They should have appointed Brad Thorn about a year ago.
@karlosdeevs
@karlosdeevs 11 ай бұрын
@@andreaoliva6712it’ll certainly get tighter as the RC progresses..
@TheDruzza
@TheDruzza 11 ай бұрын
most of australia plays rugby league or afl
@terrencepeters9203
@terrencepeters9203 11 ай бұрын
@@TheDruzza Rugby union is not making rugby attractive in Australia
@TheDruzza
@TheDruzza 11 ай бұрын
@@terrencepeters9203 true, especially how they handled israel too
@janhamer7933
@janhamer7933 11 ай бұрын
Ref was great
@matthewharries5895
@matthewharries5895 11 ай бұрын
For me the scrum is a difficult one. You can see a few times (with regards to AUS 3 collapsing) that SA 1 elbow is pointing down. This means that it is SA that should be penalised as the elbow shouldn’t be pointing down to the ground.
@chris5240
@chris5240 11 ай бұрын
Ultimately 3 held his bind and 3 slipped (a few times), the minor binding thing is a small thing compared to falling straight away.
@matthewharries5895
@matthewharries5895 11 ай бұрын
@@chris5240 but he’s only doing that because the front of him is being angled down by SA 1. Everyone has different interpretations of the game. I’m just not seeing what he is saying.
@brenthesselink5433
@brenthesselink5433 11 ай бұрын
bro, dont they use the broadcasting for tmo anyways??🤣
@nathanmoore5705
@nathanmoore5705 11 ай бұрын
Where’s the TMO for no.7 SA guy shoulder?? 🤷🏼‍♂️ the ref let too many SA players get away with stuff and aust got penalised for it
@ianabrahamson785
@ianabrahamson785 11 ай бұрын
Its easy to be smart ass afterwards with a playback slow mo system, but decisions have to be made lightning fast at the spur of the moment. Overall the Boks were the better team on the day, it did look like the Aussies were trying to be spoilers.
@chris5240
@chris5240 11 ай бұрын
Well, the Korobeite tackle/ruck on the floor was dangerous and uncontrolled...and was clear to see in real time. Overall the ref was good, but that action by 11 did seem dangerous as you are not meant to dive on a player on the ground...nevermind knee to the head.
@jacqloock
@jacqloock 11 ай бұрын
The ref was fine. Non-penalizing of scrums, though. is counterproductive and unfair. (a) it incentivizes further intentional collapses, which is an injury risk. (b) it neutralizes any benefit the dominant scum would have had because the defending looses are no longer backpedaling. In fact, they invariably unbind, separate from the collapsed scrum (in which they otherwise have been pushing desperately) being symbiotically bound by the merest of touches. Those flankers are then in reality offsides instead of 5 meters back.
@tasanalytics
@tasanalytics 11 ай бұрын
I agree, Scrums are important part of rugby. But it feels like World Rugby is trying to move away from it. I mean what's the point of developing world class front rows, when you don't get rewarded for dominating scrums?
@TobiasBarnes
@TobiasBarnes 11 ай бұрын
Laughing at the South Africans in the comments who would have pulled up 1000 different ‘bad reffing’ calls if the wallabies had have won. Recurring theme in the comments on this channel. If SA win ‘great refs’, if SA lose ‘bad refs’.
@AgentMoray
@AgentMoray 11 ай бұрын
You're going to have fun at the world cup.
@drummondhammond4040
@drummondhammond4040 11 ай бұрын
I think dangerous and dirty play should also be called by TMO and not only on field ref due to unsightedness
@cpdennis11
@cpdennis11 11 ай бұрын
Do you think it's time for another Rassie special?
@brianzungu3249
@brianzungu3249 11 ай бұрын
I don't think it's fair to blame Willie. He has a right to be outraged. Yes, he's not the captain but what Marika did can end careers. If the ref is blind to it, as a play i don't mind getting penalized all day to alert the ref of blatant foul play. What must Willie do, shut up and watch Moodie's neck get broken?
@Redwing635s
@Redwing635s 11 ай бұрын
whos to say what is good or bad take it like a god
@timslade5808
@timslade5808 11 ай бұрын
I’m a fan of refs telling the attacking team to use the ball when the scrums collapses it speeds the play up and we don’t have constant resets and penalties slowing the game down
@everythingentertainment2518
@everythingentertainment2518 11 ай бұрын
Then why have the rules?
@timslade5808
@timslade5808 11 ай бұрын
@@everythingentertainment2518 If it's clear and obvious that a team is infringing sure give the penalty but if the ref isn't sure when both sides collapse instead of constant reset's just play the ball
@hedleysnyman8868
@hedleysnyman8868 8 ай бұрын
you can move your content over to Rummble and not get it taken off line ? i think rumble lets you be honest
@michaeldethierry5901
@michaeldethierry5901 11 ай бұрын
Excellent ref
@trendingtigers
@trendingtigers 11 ай бұрын
one can slow any match down and zoom in and find fault for 80 minutes. Depending on the bias
@RabbitholeIsrael
@RabbitholeIsrael 11 ай бұрын
yes, whats the use for having the strongest scrum if they opposition dont get penalized?
@tasanalytics
@tasanalytics 11 ай бұрын
Agreed, that's how I also feel about it.
@clarke1319
@clarke1319 11 ай бұрын
Well I can answer that quite easily. The use of having a stronger scrum is that it gives your team a huge advantage unless of course you're simply scrumming for the purpose of gaining a penalty.
@RabbitholeIsrael
@RabbitholeIsrael 11 ай бұрын
@@clarke1319 a strong scrum won us the world cup. so yes, you are suppose to get penalties when opposition lift up or collapse the scrum due to pressure
@clarke1319
@clarke1319 11 ай бұрын
​@@RabbitholeIsrael I never said penalties should not be awarded did I. I was providing an answer to your question. There are significant advantages in having a dominant scrum other than being awarded a penalty from said scrum.
@RabbitholeIsrael
@RabbitholeIsrael 11 ай бұрын
@@clarke1319 no there's not. If the scrum collapse what advantage has the stronger team? Zilts. It's like having non contested scrums
@FinnThomas-vr7zw
@FinnThomas-vr7zw 11 ай бұрын
SA fans still salty about the koribiete tackle on mapimpi
@jaconortje4580
@jaconortje4580 11 ай бұрын
If the ball is available behind the scrum then play. Ref let the game flow which as a spectator we love. Penalties from scrums slow the game down. See alot of the refs in the u20 wc also letting them play on if ball is available after scrums collapses instead of giving penalties all the time. Might be suggested by world rugby to speed up games
@tasanalytics
@tasanalytics 11 ай бұрын
I get that, but the scrums I showed collapsed before it was available, that's why I thought it should've been penalized.
@Rustie_za
@Rustie_za 11 ай бұрын
@@tasanalytics available or not, if the ball is presented a second later and available, play on.
@rob.1
@rob.1 11 ай бұрын
Scrums are a strange part of the game. The only time tou get penalised for not being as strong/skillful/technical as your opponent. No other time do you get penalised for being run over, bumped off, smashed backwards. Aus front row buckling under the pressure. Surely being manshamed is punishment enough. Unrealistic to expect people to stay perfectly square and upright. Just let them get on with it.
@jasonphoenix292
@jasonphoenix292 11 ай бұрын
I am sorry to say, but for decades now we have had players blatantly use dirty tackles against us and got away, yet we have had players red carded for minor infractions. If the TMO is so blind that he cannot see a blatant shoulder to the head, and the rest of the refs ignore it, it is up to the players to point it out. This will eventually lead to a player being paralysed, or worse if it is not sorted out.
@PrimalPetersen
@PrimalPetersen 11 ай бұрын
No referee has ever played in the front row and it shows.
@melbeeswax6087
@melbeeswax6087 11 ай бұрын
Would you prefer to replace scrums with free kicks instead? It'll save all this bollocks of milking a scrum for a penalty, after all, a scrum was originally just a way of restarting the game after a minor infringement.
@tasanalytics
@tasanalytics 11 ай бұрын
Well then World Rugby should just remove scrums as a whole. If they don't see it as part of the game, it needs to be removed. But why have a dominant scrum and focus on developing world class props, if you're never getting rewarded for it? And also do we remove lineouts and mauls as well? Where does it stop? Rugby is a game where you can win with different playstyles, that's what makes it great. I don't find the logic in trying to remove certain aspects of the game because a team is dominant in it. I mean can SA advocate for removing offloads in rugby? that way we remove something where NZ is good at?
@melbeeswax6087
@melbeeswax6087 11 ай бұрын
@@tasanalytics of course being South African, you take it as a jibe against South Africa. Its part of your persecution complex. You develop good props to win the ball at the scrum. Not penalties. it's hard to milk penalties in other parts of the game. You can't do it at line outs. The referee's actively deter it in rucks (holding opposite players in bad positions). You can't dummy from the base of the scrum,ruck or maul to draw an offside penalty either. I can't think of another part of the game where it can be done. As a paying punter it's just plain boring to see a team milk penalties rather than play the game. Moving the ball about is what the game is all about. Off loading, passing is creative sure there are different ways to play and to win. I'm just saying milking penalties is a terribly boring way to do it. Picture the scene. An attacking side gets a scrum right in front of the posts on the 22m line. All the backs are lined up to the left except the right wing. The back row have some moves that could exploit the area just to the right of the scrum. Clock is ticking down. The scores are close. The crowd expectant This could be it! The ball comes in (crookedly) it's held at the number 8s feet. What is going to happen next? The answer: Nothing. The ball stays there, the scrum collapses and they kick at goal instead. YAWN!
@Rustie_za
@Rustie_za 11 ай бұрын
@@melbeeswax6087 " your persecution complex" I didn't even read the rest of your comments, if you want to start slinging mud, frankly, fuck off.
@Capie
@Capie 11 ай бұрын
Ausie try ... pass from Coroibete to Gordan looks forward?? Angle on screen can be misleading ...
@tasanalytics
@tasanalytics 11 ай бұрын
I checked it, it was straight. It was basically the same as the Am pass to Arendse. Also the ref did go to the TMO when they showed the replay, and the TMO didn't have evidence to overturn.
@clarke1319
@clarke1319 11 ай бұрын
Yes very misleading that's why you have to use slow motion/pause/ and frame advance.
@timlewis5096
@timlewis5096 11 ай бұрын
Aussie rugby has always had a problem staying within the rules. I won't name names as it is clear over the last 10-15 years who the main offenders were
@markwairepo2871
@markwairepo2871 11 ай бұрын
Ben OKeefe is a krap ref. Hes Hated everywhere in NZ except Canterbury.....
@marcsteele9700
@marcsteele9700 11 ай бұрын
Korobete just irritates me.
@samorie23
@samorie23 11 ай бұрын
Korobite zargeting the young buck after being humilited by him last year
@drugilbert2447
@drugilbert2447 11 ай бұрын
That Holocaust music again..must be tough times in SA
@samparkes2477
@samparkes2477 11 ай бұрын
Win lose or draw…can’t wait to see what your team of Karen TMOs comes up with this week 👍
@tasanalytics
@tasanalytics 11 ай бұрын
Well I'm confident that my TMO skills would be a lot better then Ben Whitehouse. Not too difficult to know what downwards pressure is. But hey, it's still a few months till the World Cup. I'm sure he'll learn from his mistake
@samparkes2477
@samparkes2477 11 ай бұрын
@@tasanalytics arguably a knock on before grounding. Either way they lose game by minimum 8 points. Anyway, will look forward to seeing all the stolen tries and penalty kicks which the ref didn’t spot and which would have resulted in a resounding SA win
@M0RR1S10
@M0RR1S10 11 ай бұрын
You dont have to try and find mistakes in every game. The ref was very good and nothing happened that would change the outcome of the game.
@karlosdeevs
@karlosdeevs 11 ай бұрын
apart from the break in play for Australia that led to a try but was blown up for whatever absurd reason..
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