Ex New Zealand rugby stars are frustrated with Super Rugby

Ex New Zealand rugby stars are frustrated with Super Rugby | The Breakdown

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A pair of former All Blacks have expressed their disappointment of Super Rugby Pacific’s inaugural Super Round event in Melbourne over the weekend. AAMI Park hosted all five of Super Rugby Pacific’s round 10 matches, the first cross-border fixtures of the season between New Zealand and Australian teams, in the first-ever iteration of the Super Round. Those matches were played in front of half-empty crowds, though, as Super Rugby Pacific attracted a reported figure of only 30,000 attendees across three days of matches. #TheBreakdown
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@dantewalters5209 2 жыл бұрын

I'm South African and in my opinion it's due to inflated ticket prices. Rugby is a growing game in South Africa, but there are bigger crowds at the big schools games than for provincial rugby. People are still passionate about rugby, but they watch the matches on TV to protect their pockets, except when the Springboks play.

@TheNostalgiaMerchant 2 жыл бұрын

Well said, this is very true.

@gameadadams5338 2 жыл бұрын

That's true, that being said since no south african teams are in super rugby i barely watch or follow that. I might catch the highlights but that's about it. I miss it, but i have to admit URC is slowly growing on me. Its better than watching nz clobber Australia week in week out and Australia only getting wins from dodgy refereeing.

@uSbusiso_ 2 жыл бұрын

40 bucks for a cup of beer man..... walter yure speaking facts! friday night football will do

@DeftPol 2 жыл бұрын

It’s not ticket prices… For context, this was played in Melbourne and the ticket prices were cheaper than both the AFL and NRL. Rugby is just sadly a very very minor and ailing sport in Australia now. Just look at the crowd they got at the same stadium for the NRL ANZAC Day Melbourne Storm v NZ warriors game - that was close to a full house - and on the same day there was an AFL game at the MCG where they have a 100k capacity (which was also full). I loved South African rugby, but you guys just don’t just how much more massive and well funded the NRL and AFL are - both of which are also just much better run sports that enjoy more diverse representation across society - rugby union meanwhile remains focused on a small group of very rich schools. Basically RA’s strategy has been a recipe for decline.

@dantewalters5209 2 жыл бұрын

@@DeftPol Yeah, I have to admit that although Australia have won two world cups, never considered them to be a rugby country. League on the other hand, although they have tried, had never been able to establish itself in South Africa. Watched a schoolboy tournament yesterday here in South Africa. The interest and size of the crowds are insane. More and more boys are playing rugby. There is an all boys school in the Boland with only 360 students, but they compete well with the super schools, because 280 of the boys play rugby. White and colored kids have always played the game, but many black kids are now making their presence felt in a big way. South African rugby union is blooming.

@erwerwewerwer4575 2 жыл бұрын

They've exploited the fans for years with exorbitant prices for tickets and food/drink - and they took our loyalty back in the day for granted. Now that the fans have decided not to show up they are wondering what happened?? Speaks volumes, really.

@Mo-yd8xc Жыл бұрын

Go to an NBA game to see what real inflated prices are.

@kainoizking 2 жыл бұрын

You have to focus on building a culture. Do you think Burnley fans fill up turf moor every week because they think their team plays an exciting brand of football and they’re gonna light other teams up? No. They fill that stadium up because it’s tradition, it’s culture, you go and back your team no matter what and you have a good time with your mates and your family because you’re there watching the team you’ve loved as long as you can remember. That’s what they have to focus on. Do away with the friendly nonsense and embrace intense rivalrys. Start constantly promoting the game. What do we have right now that talks about and promotes our game?This show and a couple of podcasts and that’s it. Ridiculous. Push promotion of our games superstars the same way the NRL does. NZR is just so slow to implement such simple things and then wonder why we’re getting left behind by the rest of the world and why nobody is watching super rugby ffs.

@timgregory82 2 жыл бұрын

Great call

@thehurunui 2 жыл бұрын

Nail on head. Administrators and press in NZ seem to think covered stadiums and fan comfort is the answer, do we think Burnley fans or Green Bay Packer fans give a crap about that in sub zero temperatures? The incompetence is laughable. Just go back and look at crowds and atmospheres from the super 12 days or NPC in 90s in shitty stadiums to see how far the game has fallen off a cliff in this country as far as interest goes. Poor promotion of domestic and grass roots and NZR obsession in turning the all blacks into the Harlem globetrotters of world rugby has slowly eroded our game

@fleshen 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly!!

@thedappercook 2 жыл бұрын

In Melbourne rugby doesn't exist!

@hellovanite 2 жыл бұрын

Yep

@tanieramanaia6186 2 жыл бұрын

In NZ poor turnout is due to overpriced tickets and food/beverages. No one is going to pay next to 100 bucks to see a game, have a few beers and get some food. That in combination with extremely poor marketing and governance means the support for rugby here and across the Tasman is at an all-time low. The game isn't promoted anywhere near as effectively as it could be, the analysis and commentary is PC/bland/boring. It should be intense and critical when players aren't performing while also giving praise when it is earned. The product from front to back is overpriced and underperforming. NZRU needs to take a hard look at itself.

@agz471 2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree with commentary PC/boring/bland….tell it like it is 🙄

@isikelimara 2 жыл бұрын

I see your call and raise you our first actual home game for Fijian Drua and the CEO announces that there will be no live coverage of the game so fans will have no choice but pay tickets to go and watch. Ticket prices are in FJD $30 for grass embankment (limited numbers),$75 concrete embankment,$150-$175 for grandstand Tickets, 15000 capacity with only 4000 sold so far.

@Sunflower-dt6ev 2 жыл бұрын

Nonsense. In Super Rugby Aotearoa 2020 the average crowd from 18 matches was 19,200 (one other game was played with no crowd & a potential final Crusaders v Blues wasn't possible). That comp the Blues played to a sold out Eden Park of 35,000 & had 28,000 at another game. In 2021 the average SR NZ crowds were around 14,000 in a covid ravaged environment. Not bad considering. Also, I've NEVER had to pay anywhere near 100$ to attend a SR game, get a feed & down a cold one?????

@tanieramanaia6186 2 жыл бұрын

@@Sunflower-dt6ev link to your sources? Because I don't understand how you can play to a sold out Eden Park of 35k when the capacity is 50k. So please include links to where you're finding these statistics on crowd attendance. I'm telling you right now I was at those Blues games and they weren't anywhere near capacity. Did you watch any of the Super Round? Stadiums weren't even at a quarter capacity and this is off the back of not being able to attend games in person for almost 2 years btw. So 2022 statistics will be generously skewed. Tickets to a game cost 30 bucks for a single adult so unless you like travelling to games alone you're paying close to 80 bucks for two adults and a kid, to get food for everyone will cost around 40, then if you want a drink (9 bucks a pop for a beer) you're looking at another 20. This is without taking into consideration travel costs. Keep your head in the sand mate and the game will soon join you.

@joeschannel246 2 жыл бұрын

Can I ask who your team is/stadium you go to? I pay $15 for my tickets to go to Crusaders games at Orange theory stadium and yes they are the cheap seats but they are super close to the pitch and the atmosphere is always good. And beers are usually $9 which aren't cheap but I think are quite a standard rate. I honestly think it is quite cheap entertainment and to pay $15 to go to see one of the best teams in the world is kind if a bargain.

@TheTacticalRat 2 жыл бұрын

Having it all held in Melbourne was the first problem. Rugby union isn't even in the top three for sporting codes. You've got AFL, League and I'd argue even the horses bring a better audience. Should have had it at Suncorp where the crowds are generally the highest in Australia, albeit, only ~10,000 for Super Rugby.

@NathanMcClintock 2 жыл бұрын

A "build it and they will come" attitude that very rarely works.

@360datruth5 2 жыл бұрын

precisely poor planning and venue

@alexbishop2535 Жыл бұрын

Could’ve worked if they’d told anyone it was on. I didn’t know it was a thing until the Friday of the weekend.

@TheTacticalRat Жыл бұрын

@@alexbishop2535 That's shocking. I wonder when they will get a grip on reality.

@alexbishop2535 Жыл бұрын

@@TheTacticalRat it’s Rugby Australia marketing. Bout as useful as tits on a bull

@movieklump 2 жыл бұрын

The NRL has been great. They actually try to reduce stoppages rather than add them.

@CaptainChurrr 2 жыл бұрын

Just that every try scored it takes 5 minutes for the video ref to determine if it’s a try to make the most of their KFC sponsor.

@josephbrady711 2 жыл бұрын

@@CaptainChurrr union has an average actual game play time of 27min out of 80min lol. shhhhhh

@Megamanhurhur 2 жыл бұрын

@@CaptainChurrr Very true, KFC making out like bandits.

@CaptainChurrr 2 жыл бұрын

@@josephbrady711 source: trust me bro.

@Megamanhurhur 2 жыл бұрын

@@josephbrady711 From memory the NRL ball in play time is 55m a game, more than double that of Super Rugby. Rugby need to reduce stoppages.

@dabzvapelord 2 жыл бұрын

I live in Melbourne and went to the Super Round on Sunday. The game atmosphere was good but it was no ‘festival of rugby.’ The game obviously competes with some many other codes here, and half decent tickets are $70 each. You can take your whole family to see a game of AFL for that price across the road at the MCG.

@SerialChiller1000 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, that sounds ass backwards.

@isikeliraicebe4530 2 жыл бұрын

Yes I went as well but only for one day in 'half decent' seat. Decent seats were $100 per day per person (adds up if you're a family + inflated drinks/food at the venue) and would have loved to have gone all three days - but cost restrictive, even for myself as a fan of rugby.

@mattj9163 2 жыл бұрын

To be fair at AAMI Park there isn't a bad seat in the house

@thefobbieii2888 2 жыл бұрын

...."The game obviously competes with some many other codes here, and half decent tickets are $70 each. You can take your whole family to see a game of AFL for that price across the road at the MCG".... Incredible - it says it all!

@SerialChiller1000 2 жыл бұрын

@@thefobbieii2888 Consider yourselves lucky. I live in the only US state that doesn't even border a state with a professional sports franchise.

@zerotree1310 2 жыл бұрын

The general matchday experience in NZ is terrible. By default you are treated like a troublemaker not a fan, and then ripped off for food and drink.

@notabot0001 2 жыл бұрын

Troublemaker? Lol 😅😂 I'm planning on travelling to NZ next year to watch

@DaVe-jz7gt 2 жыл бұрын

Yep this right here. Start chanting and 4 security guards will stand infront of you staunch up and eye you all game.

@samtraynor3997 2 жыл бұрын

Hit the nail on the head, God forbid you try start a chant, or a Mexican wave or perform the cardinal sin of what NZ's woke think white rugby fans do: drink more than 1 beer over the course of a game 😱

@temujin8765 2 жыл бұрын

You are bang on. This was my experience 3 years ago and I haven’t been back to a game since.

@thefobbieii2888 2 жыл бұрын

They played a Super Rugby round in the heart of AFL land! Melbournians are Aussie Rules crazy - what did the thinkers of Super Rugby Pacific think that this was going to be a sellout or to promote the game in AFL land! What is going on: 1) we had to endure watching ALL of the 2021 rugby championship played in Australia 2) we are now watching Super Pacific been played out in Australia! Do you seriously think that rugby in Australia is going to rise above cricket, AFL and the NRL pecking order?

@briansergeant 2 жыл бұрын

Ahem I think you mean AFL. ARL or to be specific the ARL Commission is the governing body of the NRL.

@Karma-qt4ji 2 жыл бұрын

@@briansergeant Hahahahaha ye but we all knew what he meant 🤣🤣🤣

@waratah08 2 жыл бұрын

I too felt that playing these in Melbourne was silly but it seems it was the Kiwis. NZ Rugby and Tourism Victoria.

@elscruffomcscruffy8371 2 жыл бұрын

Ah, the 2021 season was in Australia due to NZs crazy tough lockdown laws. Made sense to have the RC in Australia. But I agree with the SR Super Round being in Melbourne a fail.

@sovietonion72 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely not, couldn't agree more.

@Enoch940 2 жыл бұрын

South Africa and New Zealand teams provided the best rugby 🏉 and their competivness and respect for each other forced the rugby playing public always to pay attention. This in turn created atmosphere in stands as on any particular day it was always anybodies win. This is why we in SA appreciated Superrugby and tests and I'm sure in the future this tradition shall again build.

@davidroandi6079 2 жыл бұрын

It's Super weekend but they cannot filled the stadium while Melbourne Storm filled the same stadium to the full capacity on the same weekend. That tells you that people in Melbourne prefer Rugby league than Rugby union

@peterhughes8699 2 жыл бұрын

I'm an aussie and RA have been hopeless at marketing & promotions forever. The Melbourne showpiece was poorly attended partly cos RA did almost no marketing. And what they did do was poor. It's a big reason rugby in Aust has been sliding the past 20 years. Ticket prices are too expensive for families. They don't give away tickets to school kids and there's no pre, during, or post match, entertainment. Were there any huge billboards around Melbourne promoting the game? RA have no idea how to promote a pro sport in 2022 and they leave it all to the broadcaster.

@sonofportsmith4435 2 жыл бұрын

Well said and bang on. The game could die if the ARU aren’t careful.

@harrystark8918 2 жыл бұрын

@@sonofportsmith4435 we can only hope

@Will.Flavell 2 ай бұрын

I remember late 90s early 2000s when Wallabies were number one ever since they lost the Bledisloe and the World Cup they haven’t been in their prime ever since. 2015 they had a decent year after that they have been in a decline especially last year knocked out of the World Cup early and wooden spooners in the RC.

@MichaeldeSousaCruz 2 жыл бұрын

You want people to show up then you need to build a community. You can’t have a community without people, without belonging. You guys are worried about “quality” and empty seats have nothing to do with “quality”, it’s about community, belonging, FEELING! Invite people to come to your game. Give people a community to belong to. You’re missing the whole point if all your doing is complaining about the “quality” of play, and laws. Community! Belonging! Feeling! PEOPLE! Get it together already, enough of this complaining.

@user-mu1gj1sb6d 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly!!! I think they somehow need to make it more tribal and bring back the big rivalries between each other. I think they should have players that are actually from the area their super rugby team is from and proud to be there and show some passion instead of trying to be these unemotional professionals that only ever care about what the next job is. I dunno

@MichaeldeSousaCruz 2 жыл бұрын

@@user-mu1gj1sb6d you’re onto something there. You want to feel a connection to the club, and that connection is going to take time to develop. There have been so many changes in SuperRugby over its existence: teams in, teams out, countries in, countries out, over here, way over there, all together, in divisions… they haven’t kept to one single structure. How do you build community from that? How do you build a following when you don’t know if your club is going to be in existence next year? This is simple stuff.

@Samizouza 2 жыл бұрын

You can see that in the two pasifika teams, the other ten regulars do need work on the team culture and community outreach.

@ExcitingBob 2 жыл бұрын

Community is an aspect that is dying in many aspects of life, not just sport.

@MichaeldeSousaCruz 2 жыл бұрын

@@Samizouza it’ll be interesting to see how this all develops over time, as long as they can stick to this model for 10 to 20 years, hopefully

@denmac5149 2 жыл бұрын

Held it in a city that gives zero f's about rugby. You couldn't even give those tickets away 🤦🏽‍♂️

@billymack333 2 жыл бұрын

The ticket sales for the Super round was poorly managed. I looked at tickets for Saturday so I could catch the Blues. The ticket site told me there was only seating available behind the posts either end, I would rather watch on TV. Then while watching on TV I see a stadium only a third full. They initially sold 3 day ticket package for $80 which people obviously bought as decent seats for a single evening were about $50. So I’m guessing even though the stadium was only a third full all good seats were technically sold. Stink !!!

@PhilipVels 2 жыл бұрын

Could have bought the shit tickets and then walked into the better seats no problem

@billymack333 2 жыл бұрын

@@PhilipVels yes definitely could’ve moved about. Ended up being an average game anyway so not too bothered.

@armandvanzyl4937 2 жыл бұрын

Rugby in the southern hemisphere's having problems drawing crowds all around. Even here in South Africa. The Stormers are playing the most beautiful style of rugby in ages and are second on the log and they still can't draw over 20k crowds. Once upon a time, the Stormers drew in an average of 35k every weekend. Why nobody's interested is anyone's guess.

@HenryDube72 2 жыл бұрын

To be fair crowds were decent for the Stormers and stadiums haven't fully opened yet.

@chrislangeveldt8859 2 жыл бұрын

The short answer for me, is TV. Yes its not the same, but most people nowadays enjoy a braai ( BBQ ) and a couple of mates in front of the big screen with slow-mo and replays of everything.

@silmarienprince3137 2 жыл бұрын

In Oz , I understand , cause it has to compete with League and Aussie rules . The rest of the world, shouldn't have that issue

@mahlanguism 2 жыл бұрын

50% stadiums are still legislated… that being said did you see the varsity cup final?

@Bpacs12 2 жыл бұрын

Not at newlands anymore, that stadium drew more of a crowd

@theringmaster886 2 жыл бұрын

20 years ago we had a culture of rugby in New Zealand where crowds 30,000+ would attend games every weekend. It was called provincial rugby and it was the best rugby competition in the world. NZ Rugby decided they would put all their focus on the All Blacks and Super franchises and this is the result. People don't care anymore. And yet we're trying to make Aussies care about a competition we don't care about.

@npd6225 2 жыл бұрын

Would’ve been about 12’000 at Warringah Vs Manly on the weekend. Tahs average attendance is around 11’000. The moral- Rugby Union is not for everyone in Australia it’s for private school boys only and it will continue to die a slow death against League and AFL until that changes.

@majorowe 2 жыл бұрын

ain't that the truth. i'm surprised it has lasted as long as it has due to dwindling crowds at super rugby games

@christov4202 2 жыл бұрын

Come on it's for private school girls too mate 😉

@blairrobert3438 2 жыл бұрын

nobody gives a crap about league outside of Sydney and Queensland.

@majorowe 2 жыл бұрын

@@blairrobert3438 the lower union drops in aus, the more often I here these sorts of comments.

@blairrobert3438 2 жыл бұрын

@@majorowe League is shit mate. If a bunch of Aussies want to watch rapists and druggies run shuttle runs then let them, remember Australia gave the world Harold Bishop ffs. That sport is full of wronguns. NonceRapeyLeague.

@markwairepo2871 2 жыл бұрын

It's so boring now. The game has become a slow moving farce.

@johandiedericks8528 2 жыл бұрын

I just want to say...I enjoy very much listening to this NZ show. Their knowledge of rugby and also the way they speak english. If the All Blacks beat us, I hate NZ, but still have use respect for them. Love the way you guys talk AND play rugby!! Thank you for that. From a Springbok fan and supporter. 😀

@billymack333 2 жыл бұрын

There is a lot of Sports and other events going own in Melbourne on an ANZAC day weekend. The Storm game was sold out at the same stadium.

@clapadamclap 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that’s just because Aussie like league better, they get results there..

@dutchvanderlinde2488 Жыл бұрын

@@clapadamclap league only popular in syd and qld in aus

@brendanribbs3434 2 жыл бұрын

The URC is such a better product than super rugby at the moment. The quality of rugby, teams, time zones and the different cultures all adding to a truly exciting tournament. I was against the SA teams leaving super rugby but it honestly looks like it could be a masterstroke on all fronts.

@leonchristensen1765 2 жыл бұрын

In a round where rugby needed big crowds the NRL had massive crowds and a way better atmosphere. So much simpler and better game to watch at the moment. Rugby is struggling big time.

@David_Lee92 2 жыл бұрын

I grew up playing and watching Rugby, but NRL/League is just so much better man. Faster and more entertainment, the physicality of it too.

@ChyeahWill 2 жыл бұрын

Super Rugby I read has also halved its ratings in NZ since 2019. The game needs to evolve for it to attract more people. It's too slow, too many rules and too complicated. If you also think about it, the Wallabies has had so many losing seasons that they are literally not inspiring any of the next generations. Most kids today wouldn't even be able to name one wallaby. Most adults too. It's sad to see what this beloved sport has come to especially here in Australia.

@christopher59 2 жыл бұрын

@@David_Lee92 it’s simple for simple people that is correct about rugby league … rugby is a thinking mana game , and they have overcomplicated there thinking with the game

@MPT1983 2 жыл бұрын

@@christopher59 The most popular sports in the world are simple to understand, that's the point. Rugby needs to ditch half the rule book and get to actually playing the game like back in the old days

@christopher59 2 жыл бұрын

@@MPT1983 back in the old days ? You can’t be real lol

@dcs4880 2 жыл бұрын

How can these guys sit there and with straight faces suggest you need rule changes in order to attract fans. Look at rugby in the UK, look at France, even the URC games in SA that still have restrictions...there are bigger crowds than in Aus and NZ. So it's clearly not the rules...it's that they have a boring, dead rubber comp with a guaranteed NZ winner every year. Mitre 10 was never as big as super rugby, and thats what they've created. Address the elephant in the room.

@etienneholmes5556 2 жыл бұрын

Watch URC gents....

@Olivierstreet 2 жыл бұрын

I tried… gotta pick the games carefully

@etienneholmes5556 2 жыл бұрын

@@Olivierstreet Much better than super rugby more tries and beter quality rugby.

@Konst_Abel 2 жыл бұрын

And with that we finally have the dumbest thing ever said on a rugby panel show. "Mothers are watching and thinking, will I let my son play that". Lol! What?

@Heresacoupleofacres 2 жыл бұрын

I turned it off after that ridiculous comment. These guys are cooked

@PN3D87 2 жыл бұрын

You have to understand what he means though. Kids are piss weak these days because parents are piss weak. Parents babying and overprotecting their kids while also providing zero discipline. All the way through to their teens, when it’s too late. But parents, mums especially, will see on TV someone’s head get taken off and think they wouldn’t want their baby going through that. Therefore they don’t give their child the opportunity.

@Konst_Abel 2 жыл бұрын

@@PN3D87 seems like you're going through some stuff...

@PN3D87 2 жыл бұрын

@@Konst_Abel nah just sick of seeing useless kids and useless parents. Don’t bother trying to understand the point I’m trying to make

@franciscobizzaro 2 жыл бұрын

@@PN3D87 so it's an obsessive health and safety culture in NZ problem. Not a rugby problem. Rugby is fine. NZ is not fine.

@MrUHTiger 2 жыл бұрын

It’s shit boring boring Rugby rather watch the top 14 more exciting, there’s just too many penalties BORING Rugby going nowhere we (ABs) are gonna get embarrassed at the next WC

@gusztitencenhauer 2 жыл бұрын

The lowpoint of the weekend was definitely SBW as an expert commentator.

@allblackfan5152 2 жыл бұрын

Great 👍🏽 warrior

@kainoizking 2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@MDH16477 2 жыл бұрын

C’mon Uce, he was alright Uce, oh Uce you’re a racist Uce. Back to you in the box - Uce

@88-V-..-A-..-N-88 2 жыл бұрын

Lol I heard him during the landers game talking about the players haircuts. Thanks sonny for the update on the sick fades

@gusztitencenhauer 2 жыл бұрын

@@88-V-..-A-..-N-88 MULLETS RULEZ. 😆

@duncangravy9939 2 жыл бұрын

And the South african rugby franchises are packing them in. Viewing numbers for URC have doubled and revenues are climbing. Stadiums are packed to the mandatory covid capacity. What is the lesson for the Oz/Nz unions. Oz is on life support kiwi heading the same way.

@reupenamuaimalae6965 2 жыл бұрын

It was quite sad that the players rushed back to the tunnel and only a hand full that made the effort to meet and greet the fans and sign autographs. Shout out to Angus Ta’avao he one humble uso🙏🏾 and the Man Ardie Savea Tupou Va’ai was another humble lad.The bro Andrew Makalio and Hunter These were the only few that made the effort to go see the fans. Anyone that read this please watch the USA rugby player talk about the one and only Jerry Collin. J.C this guy is one humble rugby player on and off the field.

@whitefire06 2 жыл бұрын

Teams may need to look at playing in smaller stadiums to create a better atmosphere at live games. COVID has made more spectators comfortable watching from home. Empty stadiums are no fun. Then maybe look to play the finals or super rounds at a bigger venue.

@elscruffomcscruffy8371 2 жыл бұрын

100% take the rugby to the suburbs! Support the local businesses

@joeschannel246 2 жыл бұрын

And yet they are building another 30K stadium in Christchurch for the All Blacks.

@BigSkyCurmudgeon 2 жыл бұрын

FYI the USA is experiencing the same loss of attendance due to Covid in nearly every sports venue, from the beloved national pastime baseball to the motor sports. only recently are the crowds beginning to return. over saturation of broadcast sports has cut down on in house attendance.throw in an economical downturn and astronomical attendance costs and it really has cut down the family outing atmosphere.

@joeschannel246 2 жыл бұрын

@@BigSkyCurmudgeon but then you also just have to look at the MLS and what they are doing. To start a franchise you have to have a soccer specific stadium. And why? Because the big NFL grounds are only a quarter full and lack atmosphere.

@christoduplessis8177 2 жыл бұрын

I thought getting rid of South Africa (the NZRU was assholes to us for 25 years) would solve everything. I try and catch a bit of SR here and there, apart from Fiji Drua it is really bad, the game has gone backwards over there very fast. Meanwhile heading North has been a savioue for South Africa, it is really hard proper old school rugby (with lots of passes and tries to boot).

@SABOY-zs7oe 2 жыл бұрын

South Africa made the best decision to go play in the urc , nz are just dominating the super rugby and what is the point of the Australian teams

@Karma-qt4ji 2 жыл бұрын

@@SABOY-zs7oe And that will be their downfall. When the money runs out and the likes of Barrett and DMac decide to permanently move to Japan for more money, they will either be forced to include overseas based players or they will slip further down the ranks.

@baileygilbert4766 2 жыл бұрын

To all the South Africans 🇿🇦 supporters of the Bulls, Sharks, Lions & the Stormers, Why are youse guys even here on this “Super Rugby” video for??? Just wondering 💭, Cause your pro clubs like the Bulls, Lions, Sharks & Stormers already joined North club competitions like URC, So youse guys really don’t have the right to speak on Super Rugby subjects/videos anymore to be completely honest with youse guys, Just worried about the URC ok, Only Australians🇦🇺, New Zealanders🇳🇿 & Pacific Islanders/Fijians🇫🇯 supporters have the right to speak on Super Rugby subject matters now cause our teams is still in “Super Rugby” which is a South club competition, And even tho I will miss the All Blacks & Spring Box’s yearly rivalry BUT I hope your international team South Africa🇿🇦 join the 6 nations/North in the future cause youse guys are already half way there with your pro clubs is already in the North.

@christoduplessis8177 2 жыл бұрын

@@baileygilbert4766 we can talk and discuss whatever we want. Not sure how you figure we don't have the right? Such a weird world view, its little off. Either way, this video was recommended to me by KZfaq and I watched it. Most SR I have watched since 2020. Think you should be worried by the sound of things kid.

@jestersage8700 2 жыл бұрын

Apart from drua? they're the worst team in comp

@elscruffomcscruffy8371 2 жыл бұрын

Here's a way to fill a stadium: cheaper tickets, kids get in for free. More interactive half time activities, players kick footies into the crowd and other give-aways. Prizes to be won. Let everyone on the field afterwards to kick a Rugby ball around (like the afl)

@whitefire06 2 жыл бұрын

The most disappointing thing for me about SR this year has been the handling errors. It seems like there are so many in every game and the conditions haven't even been that bad.

@SABOY-zs7oe 2 жыл бұрын

This competition is nothing compared to urc ,only nz teams are going to dominate this league

@360datruth5 2 жыл бұрын

dont forget the bloody cards

@Skybar23 Жыл бұрын

@@SABOY-zs7oe The URC had two SA teams in the final-the same two teams that struggle to beat any NZ side...says more about the urc than super rugby

@oliverberard 2 жыл бұрын

Super 12 was best domestic rugby product I've seen. It was huge here in SA, watching SA vs NZ team was just short of test match intensity. Diluted the product, suffered accordingly. Would you keep buying the same chocolate milk brand every year if they kept diluting it?

@baileygilbert4766 2 жыл бұрын

Hey it’s the South Africa 🇿🇦 Rugby Union wants to leave the South to join the North so blame them, Your RSA clubs like Bulls, Sharks, Stormers & the Lions already join the North club competitions, Your clubs should have stay in super rugby which is a South club competition, I hope South Africa 🇿🇦 don’t join the 6 nations in the future cause I will miss the All Black & Spring box yearly rivalry they have at the moment.

@xanderprinsloo7656 2 жыл бұрын

@@baileygilbert4766 its bc the auzies wanted us gone even tho our broadcast brought in the most money etc and had more competitive teams than them ..so we just took ook competition elsewhere where we are respected but all involved (i know nz always defended us)and make alot more money

@xanderprinsloo7656 2 жыл бұрын

@@baileygilbert4766 but yess we need a sa vs nz test every year

@davidtwynham6161 2 жыл бұрын

Actually we vied for competition for our provincial teams because nz and aus ditched the super rugby competition. We didn't vie for north competition initially but more of a consequence of your RU's decisionmakjng process. O yes. Sa teams at the top of this URC. Better product I say.

@straatcaveman7503 2 жыл бұрын

@@baileygilbert4766 Do your research. SA didn’t want out. But once the Aussies and some Kiwis got their wish, we had to look elsewhere for competition. All good now, URC has grown on me. More exciting than last few years of SR.

@JamesWilson-ts5xk 2 жыл бұрын

It’s just a correction. Once teams start getting used to it, strategy should change and those teams that are more disciplined and capitalize on player number advantages should see points advantage. If behaviour doesn’t change then make changes. Also, Melbourne isn’t the right market for a rugby super weekend. It’s always been an AFL town. Follow the lead of the sevens championship would be my advice. Do whatever you can to make it engaging and entertaining.

@caleb4369 2 жыл бұрын

A regular round of league got more attendance than most super round matches, I live in the port Phillip bay area and there was no billboards, no ads and no marketing I didnt even know it was on. Club rugby needs to change something in Australia its just not any good

@ryanking8960 2 жыл бұрын

While player safety is important, fans want to see rugby not a game where every tackle is a potential card or suspension. Intent has to be a factor in any decision. Red cards should be reserved for intentional foul play like punching, stomping etc... it is impossible in a contact sport to avoid clashes of heads etc... there are to many moving parts. In the avergage game there are over 200 tackles and less than 1% would be considered dangerous. In fact more people are injured making the tackle than those being tackled.

@notokband 2 жыл бұрын

Spot on. The most important factors they always tend to forget.

@harrystark8918 2 жыл бұрын

it seems you are in the minority and a lot of rusted on rugby fans enjoy the players being shouted at by the ref, like they're naughty school kids.

@tiaancloete5133 2 жыл бұрын

As a South African and Cheetahs supporter i miss sa sides in super rugby, even if NZ teams won majority of games it just felt right having SA NZ and Australian teams compete, but not with the conference system that was in place the last few years, back when it was the Super 12 and later Super 14 it was at its best.

@mswilson2104 Жыл бұрын

Tian your so right,miss getting up 2-3am to watch eben,bakie,am n kolisi ,the whitelocks,franks brathas...rugby heaven... logistics great decision SA rugby,must look after u own game,state...suxs playing our own teams 3-4 times,Oz teams are getting better,maybe drop 1team,to improve the quality ..Sa rugby have real characters on an off the field...abz fan, Southern hemisphere rugby has lead the world for so long,European rugby will catch up

@Saiyan4eva 2 жыл бұрын

Too much stop & starts & ref blowing his whistle! As good as our NZ Super teams can be, it's still second to what the best NRL teams can produce, just look at the Storm on monday! Absolutely sublime performance & made our Warrior's look like school boyz...🤦‍♂️ then there are the Panthers, the Eels etc playing amazing footy! When I was switching back in forth on the weekend watching both codes there was only one winner & it wasn't the Super rugby!

@laselletaia1326 2 жыл бұрын

This is spot on with how I feel aswell too much stop start in rugby needs too be faster but then you end up just looking like league.

@westsideAUKILANI 2 жыл бұрын

Oh gaaaamon bro I'm still recovering from that Warriors loss

@denmac5149 2 жыл бұрын

Rugby is in my blood. I have to admit though, I chose to watch the NRL. I watched the extended highlights of SR the next day. There's too much down time for me now

@Saiyan4eva 2 жыл бұрын

@@westsideAUKILANI MA badd brother that's why you never back the Worrier's lol "Up the ⚡STORM⚡💪🏼

@saborivaille1258 2 жыл бұрын

I live in Melbourne and hardly knew about this festival. On Monday we had 80k at the MCG and 23k at Aami for the Nrl which I went to. Rugby is dead in Australia. It’ s AFL, League, Soccer then the rest. probably basketball gets better crowds than rugby

@claireandmichaelhughes7885 2 жыл бұрын

Rugby and the ARU especially need to market themselves. In Brisbane nothing was advertised about the Melbourne round to a household that regularly watches the Reds at Suncorp. As my son said "If I'd known all the games were in Melbourne I would have gone with several mates to watch some of the games". You won't get a crowd if people are not aware that it's on. They need to look at the NRL magic round in Brisbane where many interstate people attend and its advertised. The ARU need to realise that they are a distant no 3 in Australian football codes and having expensive tickets will not increase patronage.

@alexanderweideman324 2 жыл бұрын

Attractive rugby is what the spectators want to see. If you don't give it to them they won't pitch up.

@Karma-qt4ji 2 жыл бұрын

But the attractive rugby that the spectators want to see is not the rugby that can be played if you want a realistic chance of success. The game has become a defence based system and people want to see tries. Putting this in cricket vernacular, rugby is a 50 over match and people want the bright flashing lights and boundary-a-ball excitement of 20/20. It's the evolution of the game and the "instant gratification" requirement of the fans that have gotten us to this point.

@dairet1945 2 жыл бұрын

Crazy that the Jaguares arent involved, they were finalists in their last year of participation!!!

@biggest23 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, interesting that isn’t it. Look who took their place.

@kainoizking 2 жыл бұрын

Covid man. Travel would’ve been impossible. I’m a kiwi living abroad and it’s still hard for even us to get back into our own country.

@dairet1945 2 жыл бұрын

@@kainoizking The rest of the world is open. If Aussies can travel to NZ no reason Argentinians cant. I have been to Argentina twice during the pandemic, its no worse there than anywhere else.

@mark8200 2 жыл бұрын

I think it's just because they're from the third world.

@kainoizking 2 жыл бұрын

@@dairet1945 I’m talking about them coming here did you read my comment?

@joeholden2528 2 жыл бұрын

League taking over. The true working mans game.

@blairrobert3438 2 жыл бұрын

Taking over what? The true working mans game? So if you have a job and watch rugby union you erm are a working man no?

@joeholden2528 2 жыл бұрын

@blairrobert3438 2 жыл бұрын

@@joeholden2528 How so? A Welshman whos a miner watching rugby isnt a working man? A binman from Wellington who watches the Hurricanes isnt a working man? Little League is so funny.

@jake567100 2 жыл бұрын

@@blairrobert3438 league will take over the pacific. It’s miles better entertainment right now and the eligibility rules encourage players to play for their heritage. As much as northern hemisphere fans rag on it, it won’t make a difference. RU will be for the north and RL for the south

@blairrobert3438 2 жыл бұрын

@@jake567100 What a load of crap. League bogans have been saying the same thing for 30 years and haven't grown one inch since then. It's a one dimensional sport played by rapists and druggies. The pacific also includes Japan btw. The Japanese market blows little Aus/NZ and the islands off the map. League isn't as big as AFL you fool. NZ and Australia are having a hissy fit due to the NH taking over. Watching the diverse range of athletes South Africa and France can deploy maybe the Southern Hemisphere boys should go running to little league. Who wants to watch Rabbitohs vs Dongalong Fire breathing dragons with thousands of empty seats and Gus Gould and the Gammons flapping their gums about the latest self created soap opera in the National Rapists League when you could watch Dupont, Kolbe etc in the top 14?

@RhymestoneCowboy 2 жыл бұрын

I went to my first super game in a couple years on Friday crusaders reds. The reds you could feel had no heart in the game. Seemed strange for professional athletes to hold back. ... I also have young kids and remember how many midday games dad took me to . Midday games are awesome for family's to enjoy.

@PCgonemad-ih9pr 2 жыл бұрын

within 3 seasons super Rugby will be History!

@raygraham966 2 жыл бұрын

Warriors vs storm same stadium next day full stadium, how can you anticipate a split second decision at the pace of which rugby is played, I understand player protection. But all the penalties in the game is purely for the refs to dictate the game and scoreline and the fans are starting to see it, The guys at the top are greedy and all about the money

@judithmatthews8460 2 жыл бұрын

I have loved rugby for decades from the time I watched with my dad as a young child to my pre retirement days. But the era of John Key exploiting it as a political tool I was turned off. When he shouldered officials aside and we got All Blacks commenting politically that was it. I’m not spending money I can now ill afford to watch guys in the top ranks who don’t play for the passion but for money and think themselves elite and above the public who pay their wages. They are ill disciplined and entitled speaking to referees with contempt. This is no role model I want for my grandson. Haven’t watched a match now in 3 years just the highlights which often don’t deserve the title. Where are the Zinzan Brooks, the Sean Fitzpatrick, the Michael Jones ? Giants who had modesty and pride of game and country.

@mikespencer4922 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely100% right Judith.

@teacherhenniebuitendag9663 2 жыл бұрын

Did you guys not complain about the saffas using defence?

@Samizouza 2 жыл бұрын

From new laws introduced to holding it in an AFL state like Victoria, not surprising. Why not consider the team culture and community outreach to promote rivalry and camaraderie as seen with the Drua and Moana Pasifika where fans stand by their team even in defeat.

@damo9961 2 жыл бұрын

I used to watch every Super Rugby game involving an NZ side live, would watch every AB's game live. Now I don't watch either, and no plans for that to change - the slide in officiating and the overall trend in what the governing bodies want for the game has frustrated me and disgusted me. A lot of the cards are ridiculous. Almost EVERY SINGLE GAME is ruined by officiating. It's beyond a joke. Plus Ian Foster.

@etienneshawe1727 2 жыл бұрын

No thats not true. Rules change, and teams have to adapt. The Problem is team and players dont want to adapt to the rules, they would rather bitch and complain and try to get the official bodies to change the rules so it suits the way they play. Got news for you mate. The world does not evolve around Pacific rugby. If SA rugby could have adapted to the rules so can rugby down here and Stop being so arrogant. Its that kinda behaviour thats cause the downfall of a once proud rugby nation

@elscruffomcscruffy8371 2 жыл бұрын

More to World Rugby than Kiwi Rugby.

@Enoch940 2 жыл бұрын

Bryce Laurence put me off rugby tests , in the world cup game between SA and Aus for the first time in my rugby life did I realise these games are corrupted by officialdom. SA would have taken that world cup had Bryce been honest and I'm from Aus. New Zealand that year were never going to beat SA. Then New Zealand honour Bryce with an award . Ridiculous and embarrassing till today .

@reganhatcher1579 2 жыл бұрын

Damo 100% agree

@xpat73 2 жыл бұрын

Super 12 was so good when it started in the 1990s. Every Province had real history and had a good amount of internationals. Unbelievable how poorly managed it was.

@Siphamandla.Ngcobo 2 жыл бұрын

When she said "the 'idiot' call would have got you fined in cricket", well not if you're part of the Indian men's cricket team. Referring to an incident which happened recently in South Africa where several Indian players explicitly accused the broadcaster of influencing an umpiring decision by angrily yelling into a stump mic. They all went free of any charge, correct me if I'm wrong.

@jj-lw3zi 2 жыл бұрын

Rugby is awesome to watch but not when it's a stop start stop type of game

@vahorgan 2 жыл бұрын

The greedy prices to watch a game will kill people watching it in the stadium. Why pay that price to watch a game in the cold, with expensive drinks, and 1/5 of the stadium being used. when you can watch it from your couch with your mates? With empty stadiums, you are not missing out on the atmosphere.

@MrK1ngi 2 жыл бұрын

The teams are rubbish bar the Blues, saders and sometimes the chiefs. Teams cant catch a ball to save their life. They cant complete a scrum to save their life and they cant throw a lineout straight to save their life. The skill level is so bad this year. The chiefs vs landers opening game of the year was a horrible match of knockons and penalties. and it hasnt changed throughout the year. Club rugby down here has to be close to an all time low. Whereas the international game is at its most competitive its been in decades. After the autumn series and 6 nations, Theres so much hype for test rugby to come back. Club rugby, Naahh

@josaiadakuitoga7917 2 жыл бұрын

Take it to the islands especially in Fiji 🇫🇯 than you’ll see the crowd mate

@franciscobizzaro 2 жыл бұрын

100%. After years of poaching talent, take it back to the islands.

@88-V-..-A-..-N-88 2 жыл бұрын

That Highlanders game was hard watching.. too many knock ons.. endless scrums.. penalties for days. Will be the last landers game I watch for the year.. Absolute mess

@deantairi8357 2 жыл бұрын

The difference between rugby union and rugby league is the 10metre defence line that has to be maintained as long as defensive lines remain the same as the rucks in rugby defence will continue to dominate rugby

@vuisboek 2 жыл бұрын

You condition the world to do everything from home. We have been watching rugby on TV for the last 2 years, seeing empty stands, subs sitting on the sideline with masks on, and you want to blame the players, coaches and rules for not immediately driving people back to the games in hordes? You guys are good players but not very smart when it comes to seeing the world as a whole. Its going to take a long time to undo the damage politicians have caused to our social fabric, but we are all complicit, we all allowed it to happen. Even local clubs and junior clubs are struggling with player numbers. Government regulations have f%cked grass roots sport for an entire generation, and we will be paying the price for a long time!

@ExcitingBob 2 жыл бұрын

You utterly nailed it with the first sentence. We now live very comfortable lives but are dis-attached from everyone.

@ExcitingBob 2 жыл бұрын

now I've read the whole thing - that is a brilliant paragraph. I have come across hardly anyone talking about social fabric - it's all "You wanna kill Grandma!".

@fred1125 2 жыл бұрын

One of the biggest thing for me across the whole game is scrums. It shouldn't be the norm for it to collapse two or three times before getting going. Its a couple of minutes of boredom each time. Get it in, get it going. Collapse of any kind should result in a penalty against the first man on the floor. Use the TMO's more for it if they need to.

@lukemcadie5106 2 жыл бұрын

It’s the opposite in the north, the emphasis is now on attack

@antonybarnstormer6285 2 жыл бұрын

I can't even watch the game anymore too many penalties and once someone is sent off I turn off.

@twalker1981 2 жыл бұрын

Aussie teams need to start winning regularly in the trans tasman comp. Aussie crowds will follow, gritty rugby or free flowing doesn't matter

@samrichards880 2 жыл бұрын

We should ban junior footy and league and force everyone to play rugby so that in 15 years, we start demolishing nz

@colejones6312 Жыл бұрын

@@samrichards880 We don't even need to do that. We just need NRL clubs to stop poaching school boy talent and aus rugby will be back to winning ways in no time.

@etienneshawe1727 2 жыл бұрын

Back in the URC there seems to be way less red cards. The European teams seems to get quite a few yellows thou, but that’s mostly due to errors in the red zone. Truth be told, i think you guys miss the Saffas. NZ and Aus rugby water the competition down by replacing the stronger Saffa teams weaker pacific teams. I don’t understand the thinking behind that. Anyways the SA teams doing great up north, 3 SA teams in the top 8 and those teams will join the champions cup next year. Its kinda sad to see this happening to NZ rugby. Just get on with it if you love the game so much. Stop trying to change the rules to suit your style of play. A high tackle is a high tackle, and its dangerous. Players that don’t adapt should be offered contacts. Watching European rugby is very entertaining. And believe it or not that Saffa teams is the once top of the list when it comes to offloads…..something never heard of before. But in my own opinion i think NZ rugby got to arrogant. They fallen from grace and unless they change there mindset I’m afraid things will only get worse.

@duncangravy9939 2 жыл бұрын

Agree its sad to see the kiwis taking this in the teeth.....

@baileygilbert4766 2 жыл бұрын

@nicobr00 2 жыл бұрын

@Bailey Gilbert 😂 it’s the internet buddy, anyone can comment on anything they wish to. You’re welcome to come over and comment on URC

@etienneshawe1727 2 жыл бұрын

@@baileygilbert4766 dont you know Saffa’s is crazy about rugby, we watch its all, yeah that includes Super Rugby, we love the game more than you will ever do, some of us even live in Aus and NZ, so from my point of view, we have every right to comment on Super Rugby as you do have the right to Comment on URC. To be honest this is exactly the same thing i was talking about…..arrogance. A perfect example of this is the guy that tattooed the Web Ellis Cup with “ New Zealand World Cup Champion 2019” on his leg. Do i need to say more.

@etienneshawe1727 2 жыл бұрын

@@baileygilbert4766 id also like to add that i find no joy in seeing what happening with Rugby in the Pacific, its detrimental to the game world wide.

@ashinch0r 2 жыл бұрын

I think that the pendulum on safety has just swung too far and we are being excessively protective on the tackles.

@nigel8484 2 жыл бұрын

Get rid of the 20min red card rule. Make tickets more affordable.

@Samizouza 2 жыл бұрын

Pretty much everyone's thoughts anyways

@Olivierstreet 2 жыл бұрын

I don’t see how the 20min red card is a bad thing

@zw5509 2 жыл бұрын

You know what annoys me and made me turn off the sound when I watched the Blues vs Drua game on Stan? The commentators gushing over Drua. They played OK and they will get better but you would have thought they were being hard done by on the field by the officials! Be honest, let them know and grow!

@frazermackie2076 2 жыл бұрын

If you give away tickets it de-values it even further. Make a beer and a pie affordable, cut the speaker noise every 5 seconds and let adults be adults and crowds will come back.

@stevenbennett9756 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe something to do with the clever boys at the top deciding they didnt want the SA teams in the comp anymore SA vs NZ, national or club always draws big crowds Think the administrators have just killed the passion, the old Super Rugby format was still the best and mostcompetitive

@lewisgriffiths6484 2 жыл бұрын

remove physicality from the game, crowds stop showing so the appropriate response is to clamp down harder on the physicality? in my view we should be looking at Laws that will create space (no shortened lineouts for example or scrums are always set centrefield perhaps) but to remove aggressive defense will only lead to a softer game that I am not interested in.

@eddiebell5181 2 жыл бұрын

I've wrote this on several of the game highlights. The reason people are staying away is because it's BORING. Firstly at least twenty minutes a game is spent watching front rows mess about setting a scrum, often several times for it to be penalised OR the scrum half put the ball in to the second row and the referee ignore it. Secondly there is now one tactic... get a penalty (usually at a scrum) and kick it to touch as close to the line as possible. Then take the line out, the side throwing in rarely loses as there are problems if you contest it... it's legislated against the defending team. Then catch the ball and form a rolling maul... the ball carrier is two rows back and cannot be reached by the defending team without penalty.... often a penalty try. The attacking side can put ten men in the drive...the defending team cannot as they have to defend the fringes against the ball carrier breaking away and going often uncontested to the line. You cannot stop a well organised rolling maul.. bring it down... penalty try... slip up the fringes... at least another penalty.... it's a game of big blokes pushing. One game I commented on had all six tries scored by this method. Think I'm wrong?... then why is no one watching... perhaps they want free flowing exciting rugby. Otherwise it's American Football... pre-set phases. No wonder they think Drua are the best side to watch.... they run and pass the ball. Remember that? Me? I', off to watch some Rugby League!!!!

@jamesogden178 2 жыл бұрын

Grassroots is where it's at ..about time the nzrfu remembers this as they are killing the game

@bradleypenrith 2 жыл бұрын

When i watch Sharks vs Leinster damn i couldnt stay in my seat. Almost like a test match.

@moc7323 2 жыл бұрын

Leinster sent down the B team .. young lads .. they played well given how warm it was for the Irish lads ..

@bradleypenrith 2 жыл бұрын

@@moc7323 I think we all know that mate. It was raining buckets so I don't think it was that warm.

@fleshen 2 жыл бұрын

@@bradleypenrith Pouring rain at the end of the summer in SA would still be warm for those boys!

@SABOY-zs7oe 2 жыл бұрын

@@fleshen who cares if they sent a b team, its definitely was more interesting/entertaining than the super rugby

@Olivierstreet 2 жыл бұрын

@@SABOY-zs7oe no it wasn’t

@blizzard6741 2 жыл бұрын

It’s simple. We need to bring South African teams back into Super Rugby

@shawnberry6110 2 жыл бұрын

No thanks. We're tired of propping up the Aussies and Kiwis financially. Playing up north means we get to keep our own money while playing teams from France, England, Ireland and Wales on a regular basis. You shot yourselves in the foot with your cockiness and bad faith negotiations, now live with the consequences.

@christoduplessis8177 2 жыл бұрын

South Africa is gone mate, next year we are in the European Cup, money and fame from that alone will prevent the door from ever opening again. NZRU made sure to stick us good and hard, we are done thanks. Bring in Toulouse, Toulon and Saracens.

@Samizouza 2 жыл бұрын

Good luck with that, especially when SARU themselves are enjoying the favorable time zone with Europe

@Karma-qt4ji 2 жыл бұрын

@@Samizouza And soon we will see the benefits of the money, as well as the first hand knowledge of how good our UK based players might be when we put our SA based players up against them.

@blizzard6741 2 жыл бұрын

I know money rules etc. But I loved the hard rugby against those guys. I am excluding the years of conference league format, the Super format was favorite and it was good times

@ocodeskamcdbsm 2 жыл бұрын

2 of these commentators, (male) commentators were saying not so long ago that protecting the player's as in giving card's for high tackle's was destroying the game but now they want it? What seems to be the reason behind small crowds in the southern hemisphere is the cost of tickets. I'm Irish and you would never see such small crowds. I know the tickets are expensive here but not as much it seems to be in the southern hemisphere. I was gobsmacked seeing the small crowd at club games, northern V southern hemisphere team's. If they know that people can't afford the tickets then why have them in such big stadiums? It looks terrible and there is no atmosphere so why would you go. If you have to have them in the big stadiums and you know people can't afford the tickets, is it not better to drop the price and get people in the stadium instead of keeping the cost high and have very few at the game. Surely some money is better than none? I am open to being corrected with regards to the cost of tickets in the southern hemisphere.

@fishon8235 2 жыл бұрын

$50 tickets, $40 for 4 beers, $10 pies etc, no parking. It's an expensive 2 hour outing these days,. The couch, a close fridge and toilet and cheap good food and drink makes staying home unfortunately appealing these days. I still go, but only to absolute must games.

@bigdosser7448 2 жыл бұрын

Should've had it up here @ Suncorp stadium, for the magic round, y'all had the rugby tens here

@shaner1656 2 жыл бұрын

Have played and watched rugby all my life, became frustrated in recent years due to the rules, rulings and boring repetitive competition. Most of all super rugby is so hard to support. It's too expensive to get the kids along and stadiums are typically boring compared to other countries like South Africa. Super Rugby and Currie Cup was always an awesome "day out" in RSA, great food too. I'm a maori who spent a couple of years in RSA. In 2022 I've become totally addicted to the NRL and watch at least 4 games every round. Easier TV sport, no scrum resets and the NRL as a competition has blown my mind. Haven't watched a game of rugby this year outside of my sons U11s. Super and NZRU have totally disconnected from fans and most importantly children in my view. The food and F & B pricing at the NZ stadiums is an insult as well. The whole experience leaves a bad taste, no pun intended. Will skip super and ABs games this year and save up for an Origin series - 2023... always wanted to go to one... If you want more people to go to stadiums (1) respect the fans and (2) move the season to a better climate window for both players and fans. Quality of rugby is much better when it's played in decent conditions. Rugby NZ does not respect the average fan. Look at some of the NRL clubs and how important the fans are to them, they really value ALL fans and make a sincere effort to connect with them.

@adubbs9490 2 жыл бұрын

Jeff talking about NBA player getting 3k fine for tech foul when that players game check is probably 150k which is a rugby players yearly salary. So easy for him to talk about fining players when it no longer affects him, the fact that JK couldn't understand why a coach wouldn't want the other team to have fast ball is exactly why he's a talking head now and not a coach hahaha

@cortinatim1 2 жыл бұрын

I think what JK was trying to say ( all be it not very well ), was that both teams would get fast ball so would cancel the need out to go high in a tackle. The biggest issue with rugby is it’s over officiated.

@olivertakiveikata5582 2 жыл бұрын

“So why should we be worried if there’s fast ball” who Tf is this absolute muppet, get off the panel ffs 🤦🏾‍♂️

@The-peanuts 2 жыл бұрын

The fans are not coming because it is boring, the game is slow, too many laws, refs involved too much, too much video ref. Take the video ref out of the game unless the skipper calls for it, much like the hockey set sup, no going to the box for tries, it worked for so long and was really enjoyable to discuss in the pub after the game the controversy of the refs calls. Fans want to be on the edge of their seat, they want to be able to argue with each other, analysis the game, they want controversy in the game so they are invested in the teams outcome, having video refs takes that away from the fans.

@Olivierstreet 2 жыл бұрын

Oh please, fans of Rugby will always want to watch Rugby. It’s everything else around it that they don’t care for.

@ajjs8869 2 жыл бұрын

Wait so let me get this straight. The tackle height being strictly enforced with reds and yellows means we get more offloads and faster ball, while protecting players from concussion and the game from law suits, but defence coaches are telling players to tackle around the chest as a tactic and yet some are complaining about too many reds and yellows ruining a game... all teams want to win but when rules are there to protect players and make it a more enjoyable game then they must be STRICTLY enforced; is this not obvious?

@jestersage8700 2 жыл бұрын

The problem is that the reds and yellows are judged by result and don't really take anything else into account and ignore the process. And tbh it's rugby it's supposed to be dangerous. You can reduce unnecessary stuff but past a point it becomes stupid. Rugby players are just gonna have to accept the inherent risk. Otherwise everything will be illegal

@ajjs8869 2 жыл бұрын

@@jestersage8700 they’re judged by impact/contact to the head or neck. Dangerous game indeed, but when you have a number of ex players bringing lawsuits against World Rugby, there may not be a professional game left in 10 years. Important IRB shows it started doing all it could as soon as it knew the full story on concussions link to amnesia. Plus as I said you get more offloads and a faster game, what’s not to like!

@theofarmmanager267 2 жыл бұрын

I played amateur club rugby in the UK for many years; naturally, lots of injuries including 2 x broken leg, broken shoulder, broken ankle, broken vertebrae plus more concussions than I could count. It was dangerous in the sense of people doing things (eg tackler and the tackled) badly plus occasional violence. You can’t make rugby injury-free; you can remove the things that are most likely to cause injuries - I played in the era when front rows used to engage by crashing into each other; where, if you got caught on the wrong side of the ruck, you got a kicking. I would suggest that the Laws we now have around safety are good (but will evolve) it’s just that players aren’t adapting. You can coach all you want but, if a player has been doing seat belt tackles since he was 8, in the heat of the game, the player just reverts. There are many great things about RU in the UK. The respect for the officials; the friendliness of the crowds; the use of the TMO; the balance of ball retention and jackeling. What’s wrong with it? The end product on the field is not competitive outside of the UK - take Ireland and France at club and national levels. Why is that? I don’t honestly know. Salary cap? Substandard coaching? with the size of the English player base, The pyramid of progression to the national side should be consistent; but we see many players at U20 level just not making that leap into full club or national level.

@marriedkiwi 2 жыл бұрын

The lock downs imposed on NZ and the world has destroyed the already weak social cohesion. The young are particularly hurt by it. Its far far worse than people presumed. What you will see is a lost generation and a massive lost in sport, clubs and nationhood

@rmr3403 2 жыл бұрын

Omg what a whine session

@dlamish 2 жыл бұрын

I like watching a bit of rugby in TV in Sydney. Problem is here (not sure about NZ) is that it’s only on pay TV, so I can only grabs minutes of highlights on KZfaq (I’m not obsessed enough to pay whatever it is for something I might watch once a week). So I can’t really get a feel of the whole contest and who’s doing well or not (and be motivated enough to see if there’s a game I might want to pay to see). The other problem is I can’t understand the obsession with yellow and red carding players if the tackle is even slightly high (with no intent) and if a player drops an intercept it’s also a yellow card for knocking it down. Listening to this discussion it feels like they’re talking about people (who might attend) who have different motivations than me.

@dominicm255 Жыл бұрын

Yeah its on cable TV here in new zealand, skyTV which is like Foxtel. But almost every bar or TAB will televise the games. You can watch it that way.

@naeeanvideos 2 жыл бұрын

Theres no buy-in from people if their local teams aren't competitive or performing well. Period. Blues are a testament to this.

@isorokuyamamoto8423 2 жыл бұрын

not sure about others... but for me i actually enjoy watching rugby more from the comfort of home than in a stadium. You have all the high tech cameras that shows the game at better angles (compared to watching in the stadium) with commentators giving good insights (most of the time) ... If i do go to the stadium to watch, its more for social gathering I guess.. cos i will bum into my rugby friends and start drinking till i don't really watch and enjoy the game. It's just like F1 nowadays... better to watch on TV (for me)... than to be at the stand where you can probably only watch one part of the F1 rather than the whole picture..? Unless you wana go there for the atmosphere to listen to the sound of the passing racing car....

@BarryHawk 2 жыл бұрын

100%on Fijian Drua. Very good, on the up...Poppies at this time of year?

@Sunflower-dt6ev 2 жыл бұрын

Too higher expectations in an omicron world. Crowds were about 30,000 total across Friday night, Saturday pm/night & Sunday pm/night, low but at least it was a start to the concept. Bring on 2023.

@jcgrundl 2 жыл бұрын

I assume Jeff is referring to Super rugby's defence currently being more powerful than the offence!? NH rugby that I've been watching we are seeing some big scores, and good rugga, yet, not nearly as many "cardable" offences.

@baileygilbert4766 2 жыл бұрын

It’s Rugby🏉 not Rugga just to let you know so peace ✌🏽.

@jcgrundl 2 жыл бұрын

@@baileygilbert4766 Rugga: Slang term for the game of Rugby Union. Did you skip school the day the teacher discussed "slang terms" m8?

@bradloney5574 2 жыл бұрын

That was a very messy breakdown of a few different subjects. Crowds was the first point. Why on earth would you hold a rugby union "Super Round" in the home of AFL? Yes there is accommodation, yes the city is a great spot to visit, but you are competing against an AFL mad nation. To get an atmosphere you would surely have something like this under the roof in Dunedin, treat it like a 7s weekend? Second point I think was around discipline. 3 points vs 7, its easy to see what the team would prefer. How do you stop that? That would take another whole segment to answer/debate that, but perhaps a teams yellow card count can affect their bonus point system? Teams with a yelllow card are unable to score a bonus point? Third point was about the players looking out for one an other. I think you would find 99.9% of players don't want to hurt someone intentionally. The clearing of the ruck is the most dangerous place on the park, and it also affects the speed of the game, that would be a good starting point.

@Pjay0001 2 жыл бұрын

Seems like the Cell C Sharks should take over your marketing campaigns. I was at the Sharks vs Leinster game and it was fire.

@mrcuddlebuns1000 2 жыл бұрын

Prioritise the national team all people will care about is the national team simple as

@robertcollins403 2 жыл бұрын

Hi guys for me I supported all the new zealand teams.i like to watch your program guys. Have a great day.i hope one of the nz team being the champion this year 2022. Love yous all guys.

@cars-gaming4062 2 жыл бұрын

I am enjoying the URC us in South Africa feel refreshed en I think our rugby are doing good and looking good and it looks good

@baileygilbert4766 2 жыл бұрын

@cars-gaming4062 2 жыл бұрын

@@baileygilbert4766 please ask the people of the channel to enforce your wonderfull request seeing you are so educated and clearly know wat you are talking about and every one should learn from you since you have a very good point... NOT... get over your self man... this is a free platform for all to love and enjoy and after wat happend behind the scenes to SA rugby you would know why we left... get you facts straight, please try to make sum sense... and don't just tipe something with out thinking about wat you are trying to say or get a job or samething you are clearly bored and don't know wat to do with your timebecause your rugby is one dimensional... p.s. the NZ teams will win... there is no excitement in Super Rugby any more... you guys needed us to spice things up and now we have greener pastures for better growth and more exposure between URC and the European Champs. Good luck with being you... it must suck big Blue Bulls balls. Cheers

@solekefs626 2 жыл бұрын

I live in Melbourne and went to blues game and they did give away to tickets for free and still couldn’t fill it. Crowd was dead and there was also literally no halftime entertainment or no kids rides food stalls outside it was crap. Ended up going to the Melbourne storm v warriors on that Monday even though it was a massacre it was close to a sell out and crowd was pumping

@rhianc7347 2 жыл бұрын

I love how southern hemisphere’s pundits are showing the same frustrations as the northern. Our game is broken, so many problems. Other sports are growing we are stagnant or going backwards

@largechips 2 жыл бұрын

As a melburnian. Why the hell did they schedule a super round in melbourne competing against the afl. And there was basically no advertising at all for it down here. What were they thinking!?