Test Program for the EL Tool coolant powered 90 degree head. This Link to their web page. eltool.com/
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@Jabbaholl2 жыл бұрын
Didn't you make something similar. Such great, informative. clear and concise. Thanks for your time and effort put into these videos. great work Peter
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
Yes I did in the landing gear strut videos. I used the little Cool Speed spindle cartages. But this tool has a lot more power. Also they sell different size angle head and keyway cutters that can be mounted on the motor/shank.
@jimsvideos72012 жыл бұрын
That tool is a simple concept but remarkable in its execution; thank you for sharing what it can do in your hands - well, spindle - and the manufacture of a test piece that would make an interesting coffee table piece for the kind of people I want to hang out with.
@mkrejsa1234562 жыл бұрын
Hello One friend of mine who is keen on historical machines asked me several year ago to make this oiling grooves to several bronze bushings. I think ID from 30mm to 150mm. In those days I worked with DMG CTX 420 linear with C axis. I grinded shaping tool of HSS and without any CAM support only on machine contol panel Siemens with ShopTurn I created programs. I was succed. Only when bushing was long, developed shape of curve was too steep it was dificult reach/grind corect tool geometry, undergrinded enought. have a nice day :-)
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
I just selected this for a test of the tool. There are other ways on a CNC machine to do oil grooves. The job coming up is what I would normally do with a tool like this. Wait for the video on that. Thanks!
@mkrejsa1234562 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision Yes, :-) It was clear that the piece is only for testing, or to show tool ability. I am looking forward to next video
@adamrichards7630 Жыл бұрын
Hey, I run a Mazak E410 (smaller version of yours) and just finished my apprenticeship. Your videos have been a great watch for learning purposes and ideas, also for entertainment. Thanks for all you do. Hi from scotland!
@erniewelz2 жыл бұрын
We use this style and the driven ones at the shop I work at on my 650 H. Coolant powered ones aren’t quite as powerful as the driven tools in my experience but I’ve mostly just done very large internal oil grooves with 3/4 bullnose and ball nose endmills. Very cool tool. I like the overall length compared to others.
@n.b.p.davenport70662 жыл бұрын
I can't imagine how anybody's mind can work as well as designing a machine with that type of capability, incredible
@joejoejoejoejoejoe43912 жыл бұрын
It will never stop blowing my mind that the Mazak knows where the end of the tool is, to the precision required, when you consider the complexity of the geometry of all the movements, or how it can move such massive, heavy lumps of metal, so quickly, to such precision.
@SR-ml4dn2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Interesting setup example for oil groves cut instead of using a more simple geometry and use the normal broaching. The spiral shape will distribute the oil much better. Will be interesting to see what comes next. Love the way you explain things and take your time to show how to align and makes all the tool offsets.
@anglerfishcreativelighting6494 Жыл бұрын
wow that is amazing. i learn so much watching this channel.
@davidsnyder20002 жыл бұрын
Made me super nervous just watching 😬😄 You nailed it on the 1st go-around👍 That could be a real handy tool to have for specific jobs that come along 👌 Thanks for taking the extra time to video all of this…..really appreciate it🙏😊
@toolbox-gua2 жыл бұрын
Excellence and precision to the edge.
@SolidCAMisCOOL-uf1pg11 ай бұрын
This is aerobatics! I've always dreamed of working on such a machine.
@peek2much32 жыл бұрын
Nice work as always Pete
@drubradley8821 Жыл бұрын
CLEVER and spooky at the same time... but the advantage for this right angle tool, is pretty neat... looking it up now from the link you posted.... I wonder if I could chuck up a few small diameter stone wheels for grinding aspects... Thanks for showing this.
@spazzywhitebelt2 жыл бұрын
That's awesome they sent you a tool to test with, that's got to feel pretty neat.
@mtnbikeman85 Жыл бұрын
I keep the same TI calculator on my workbench. I completely forgot they could store numbers to memory...I'm sure I knew that 20 years ago in high school but good to remember now since I'm constantly subtracting offsets like that.
@Rockstar22ize2 жыл бұрын
Truly beautiful and mesmerizing work to watch. You are a master of your craft sir
@mp67562 жыл бұрын
That's a cool piece of tooling options are many. It makes sence that they would send it to you given your recent right angle work. I haven't had the pleasure of running a Mazak for a very long time when I did half the guys in the shop were critical of the control but I loved it. It was a lathe that had a conversational side with g-code also and you could switch between the two at any point in programming. It was really fast to program at the control it was a job shop so it was perfectly suited I thought it was great. Thanks for another great video
@Waco_Corp2 жыл бұрын
Interesting and informative, as always, Peter. Thanks.
@Regular67822 жыл бұрын
You should engrave the inside now with the same tool as well. Good show of what it can do. Thanks for the video mate.
@petermurphy33542 жыл бұрын
Hey Peter, that is a pretty impressive piece of kit. The finish is spectacular. Cheers Peter from OZ
@TheDandyMann2 жыл бұрын
Dude, those internal grooves are something else 😎
@calholli2 жыл бұрын
They're fairly common on bushings and bearings. It allows oil or grease to flow through the grooves and keep it lubricated.
@TheDandyMann2 жыл бұрын
@@calholli yeah, I see them regularly on bronze ones. Just didn't know how they were made until now
@MF175mp2 жыл бұрын
@@TheDandyMann they probably aren't usually made like this. I guess they would be cast or formed somehow most of the time
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
It is possible to cut them on a CNC machine with a full radius grooving tool but not in this elliptical shape I'm doing here. Its more like a steep spiral going back and forth. Oil grooves aren't this deep either. The whole intention of this was just to test the angle head.
@letsgoBrandon2042 жыл бұрын
My boss would be really excited to show that off to visitors. "Look what we can do for you!😁" He loves to show off the four axis taper wire EDM stuff. A different profile cut with each pair of axes.
@trustaskinnycook610 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the content it looks great.
@gredangeo2 жыл бұрын
8:58 It's amazing you didn't lose the tool there. That eject could have dropped. Man, that would have sucked. Well, that was your good luck for the day. ;) Great video. Neat solid tool.
@1ginner12 жыл бұрын
Hi Peter, What a great tool for bearing bushings, or anything requiring oilways, greasways or even internal keyways.
@OscarGarcia-wz3bi2 жыл бұрын
That’s so cool!
@AmateurRedneckWorkshop2 жыл бұрын
That is pretty fancy for sure. Keep on keeping on.
@dav1dsm1th2 жыл бұрын
:-) Always interesting and entertaining.
@TrPrecisionMachining2 жыл бұрын
buen video peter..gracias por tu tiempo..un saludo desde españa
@jakedimmick1452 Жыл бұрын
i really like the mazaks, your machine looks sweet. id really like to operate it. nice job on the video
@SuperAWaC Жыл бұрын
If I were to buy one of these for regular jobs that required this sort of tool regularly... I'd like to pay extra for a rpm feedback of some sort that can alarm out the machine if it can't maintain rpm, just like if you stall out the main spindle. I would be too stressed out to run it in production otherwise lol
@n.b.p.davenport70662 жыл бұрын
I have done some Machining in the past but nothing even imaginable like this 😲
@roswaytv91722 жыл бұрын
love the videos man, im just a lathe guy but watching you work with mill turns still teaches me a lot of things that I can use or learn from, very helpful very informational, keep em coming much love from the fellow machining world.
Do you have a way to monitor the pressure on the coolant? If so you could measure free spinning pressure, cutting pressure, and stall pressure though it might not change much since this isnt a positive displacement motor. You could also use a magnetic speed sensor to pick up the flats on the tool holder to check speed and monitor for stall. Just some simple ideas from a heavy equipment technician.
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
I believe the motor in this devise is a positive displacement motor. Their specs talk about volume = a certain RPM. That kind of looks like a positive displacement. They have the specs on their website. Link in the description.
@joshualange36452 жыл бұрын
That was awesome!
@bcbloc022 жыл бұрын
Very cool! that would make some great lubrication grooves.
@kimber19582 жыл бұрын
great looking cuts
@navaho54302 жыл бұрын
That is one cool tool cheers.
@koharaisevo36662 жыл бұрын
10:52 every time you hit "=" the calculator stores the result in a variable called "Ans", you can access this variable by pressing the "Ans" button netxt to the "=" button. So instead of 4.6075 - B you type 4.6075 - Ans [2nd + (-)].
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
Yes I am aware of that. I just have a habit of storing things just in case I need to recheck the calculation. But I do, and have used that function. Thanks!
@gredangeo2 жыл бұрын
This is why I use a typical graphing calculator. It gives me a large window, and thus a viewing history of about 4 equations.
@comictrio2 жыл бұрын
It always bugged me if I couldn't hear the tool working when I was running any CNC. The new tool you showed seemed to cut correctly.
@richardbradley9612 жыл бұрын
thank you . regards richard.
@douro202 жыл бұрын
The motor used in this is the same type of motor used in the old Eaton hydrostatic tractor transmissions.
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
Interesting? It would have to be quite a bit larger.
@donmathias17052 жыл бұрын
Back in late 90's we were developing a product. It required a high temp(800degC) heat exchanger that operated with 600psi nitrogen. The part was 3" in dia duplex 347 stainless steel if my memory serves me. The piece was machined like a thick walled cup so was blind. It had a 1 3/4" hole bored 3 1/2" deep and had a semi spherical end at bottom of hole. We needed to put max number if fins inside it. We ended up cutting 60 fins 1/4" deep about 3" deep in the hole. I made up a chain drive attachment and auto indexing fixture and adapted a cheap mill drill. The chain drive drove a fine toothed sllitting saw 1 3/4" dia x .020 wide. We're hss "tin" coated..plain saw broke very quickly. Tin coating worked much better. Also adapted an automotive oil pump to supply straight cutting oil at 200psi down to the slitting saw. It took some trial and error but went on to make thousands of parts. Saws lasted around one shift. Could cut nine parts a day. We ran double shifts. Necessity is the mother of invention. Was a nasty messy job with fine sharp scarf. Even the filtering of oil was an issue. We used same system to finely fin alum coolers but 180 internal slots but only 0.014 wide but these were not blind and could do two at a time with three saws stacked up. Only took 10min to do a pair. Interesting times. Enjoy your videos. Amazing what you can get off the shelf now.
@bcbloc022 жыл бұрын
Would be awesome to see some pictures of that setup!
@erikslagter32312 жыл бұрын
very cool!
@dmbworks80942 жыл бұрын
looks good
@markowen71642 жыл бұрын
Super nice oil grooves. M
@markowen71642 жыл бұрын
Who are you?
@braddenton13502 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your time and experience! Is there a load calculation to estimate what the milling head is capable of cutting? Thanks
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
They do have some information on their website about power calculation in relation to coolant volume and pressure. The link is in the description.
@braddenton13502 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir
@jimtaylor69792 жыл бұрын
it would be interesting to see that on a external operation
@HP_rep_mek2 жыл бұрын
Cool tool👍
@nwotaxman29592 жыл бұрын
LOL a little nervous? reminds me of my first time cutting a thread on an NC
@nicocastillo5002 жыл бұрын
Edge Precision always doing it better! What computer do you run esprit on? If you don't mind me asking.
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
I use a Alienware m15 laptop with i9 processor 64 gigs of ram Nvida graphics and solid state drives.
@JoeBoxr2 жыл бұрын
As insane as it sounds, we threadmill with these things… the hardest part is that we do it largely on the mill which means the spindle can be a bit dodgy for alignment and rigidity. But for aluminum it works.
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
Yes you can make bushing oil grooves with a thread mill or a threading or grooving tool on a cnc lathe. I this video I was just testing the tool. I don't intend to make oil grooves with it. It was just a test program. That I described looking like oil grooves in a bushing, in the video. But the shape you are making (With a thread mill) is two helices intersecting each other. Or in effect a right and left thread (A steep one). In the video I was milling ellipses on the ID of the bore. This shape is not possible with a threading cycle because the pitch continually changes going around the ellipse. from no lead at its start to a steep lead then back to no lead for half of the ellipse than back the same way. I did show in the beginning of the video the cam software simulation. Its kind of small so you probably can't make it out but the tool path is going in perpendicular, at all times to the bore. Like I said I have a possible job coming up that has sort of a cam profile in a bore. This tool will be ideal for this. Thanks for your comment, and yes if I was making oil grooves. I would do it the way you suggest. This is way overkill and takes to long for that.
@user-hf6qn2fc4w Жыл бұрын
Hello! tell me please, do you use an angle head on a five-axis milling machine? What stand do you have Siemens?
@EdgePrecision Жыл бұрын
@@user-hf6qn2fc4w If you are asking what control this machine has? It has a Mazatrol 640m Pro. And yes it is a five axis machine.
@user-hf6qn2fc4w Жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision Hello. I know that you have Mazak, I worked on this. I thought Andrew Paul was working on a 5 axis machine. But it turned out that he cuts such grooves with a thread cutter. We are now setting up an angular head on a five-axis machine, CAM sistem SolidCAM. It uses CYCLE800. There are problems when writing a postprocessor.
@EdgePrecision Жыл бұрын
@@user-hf6qn2fc4w The software I use is Esprit TNG. I showed this very quickly in this video. But in Esprit it depends on how the adaptive item (The tool) is defined. In this case it is defined as having another spindle as the 90 degree head has. This works with my post in Esprit. As far as SolidCam goes, I cant help you with that. You will need to get with their support for that. Cutting these grooves was just a demonstration of the 90 degree head I would not cut oil grooves this way either. But just something for you to think about. With a threading or grooving tool, you cant cut grooves with the elliptical shape like I'm doing in this video. If you use a steep threading cycle you are really cutting a forward and backward helix. Not a ellipse. In the middle of the ellipse the tool would be traveling straight down the bore. Something a threading or grooving tool can' not do, but the ball mill in the 90 degree head can. That's why I chose this for the demonstration.
@darylculbertson3162 Жыл бұрын
Is it weird that my career as a heavy equipment mechanic that Im watching this and have no plans of becoming a machinist
@markowen71642 жыл бұрын
Sooner nice oil grooves
@yishsaur76572 жыл бұрын
Edge Precision. About the last video with different kinds of surface speeds. Can you make a video about different kinds of cutting dephts for finishing?
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
I will think about the way I could demonstrate that. Thanks!
@ashishpatel52942 жыл бұрын
Nice job
@ledimecargentina31312 жыл бұрын
Good morning, my name is Leandro, I am from Argentina. I really like his videos, I admire his knowledge and the dedication with which he explains in the videos. I don't know if he depends on you but I wanted to ask him if he can put the videos so that they come out subtitled in Spanish, and thus be able to better understand the content of his videos Thanks a lot. greetings from Argentina.
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
Did you try to get Google to auto generate them? I have very little experience with doing subtitles. But I will look into that. Thanks!
@antongyrt48144 ай бұрын
Я всегда проверяю программы, отрабатываю в безопасной зоне. Всегда возможна ошибка, человеческий фактор. Машина не ошибается, ошибается человек и это нормально.
@EdgePrecision4 ай бұрын
Да это правда. Спасибо!
@michaelryan68842 жыл бұрын
Nice info and it does look pretty good although not knowing what it is actually doing in there is kind of scary...lol.
@Greg-ms4kk Жыл бұрын
I program and run a few Mazak Variaxis machines. I think I could have done this With a Harvey lollypop tool Tilted on an angle. What do you think?
@EdgePrecision Жыл бұрын
Yes it would be possible to get the same path on a 5 axis machine. But you would hit the shank if your depth was as deep as I’m going here. I did this just for a demonstration. It’s not something I was really making. There are much more complicated things this could do.
@n.b.p.davenport70662 жыл бұрын
That piece looks perfect to me, but what do I know
@calholli2 жыл бұрын
One thing you could do is run a similar program on the outside of a shaft, so you can see what it's doing and practice with a few feeds and speeds to dial it in better. (mainly only if you needed to make a bunch of these).
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
The problem is no mater inside or outside you really can’t see anything. There is to much coolant. And of course you can’t turn it off, or you would break the tool. The little ones I made in the landing gear strut videos you could kind of hear them cutting. Because the speed was so high. Around 60-70 thousand RPM. This is more like 5-6 thousand RPM.
@calholli2 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision Oh I see what you mean. It's driven by the coolant, and it just keeps you in the dark the whole time. (70k RPM is nuts. lol)
@Ujeb082 жыл бұрын
so cool! imagine trying to machine this manually?
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
This shape yes. But there are some videos on KZfaq of machining oil grooves manually. Look at this clever example.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/irB4ZdRm3tKuiIE.html
@richhuntsd122 жыл бұрын
Very Cool, just curious how many cuts did You program to get to full depth on each groove?
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
The total depth was .125”. So I subtracted .002 for the last pass (call it a finish pass). Then divided the remaining .123 by 12 to get .01025 per pass. As I said in the video. I was being very conservative with the cycle. I didn’t want to stall it. There is no real feedback as to what is happening. I think it could do more than this. They also sent a 5-1 gear box (I didn’t use in this video).
@zackbrown87722 жыл бұрын
How are you liking the multichannel TNG I'm using the 20XX version and my esprit deal is still telling me the TNG is still not ready for multichannel for my NTX2500
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
It is working for me. I will say this. If I do have a problem their support is very good. Sometimes I have my problem solved the very same day. Or by the next day max. I really like the simulation as you see a little in this video. I can simulate even this 90 degree head accurately. Check for colisión very accurately and visually correct. You do really need a accurately defined machine model. They provided me one for the Mazak and worked with me to get it the way I wanted. In this video I show a quick view of their machine builder software that comes with TNG. With it you can build simulations of your machine, fixturing and as I showed tooling. It works almost the same as normal Esprit. The learning curve is very quick if you know Esprit.
@zackbrown87722 жыл бұрын
Thanks that's helpful I'm using tng for my NLX2500 just not the NTX but I soon will Thanks again
@brianbob75142 жыл бұрын
The lack of feedback from the cutter must be strange.
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
You sort of just let it run and hope for the best.
@jerryk89652 жыл бұрын
Wow very nice. How do you like Esprit? I have been looking to get it to program our okuma multis mill turn, very similar to your Mazak, so far I really like the demos I have been reviewing.
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
I do like Esprit TNG for the Mazak. I also have had very good success with their support on TNG.
@fpoastro2 жыл бұрын
Do they give you any kind of anticipated horsepower based on how much coolant pressure?
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
There is data on their website. The link is in the description.
@Acidreamerr2 жыл бұрын
Peter's coolant system allows the tool to have a little over 2 horsepower. -Kirk Batten, Eltool Applications Engineer.
@roadiesgarage38162 жыл бұрын
I'd be curious how it handles steel with low feeds
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
They also sent a 5-1 gear reducing box that mounts between the angle head and the motor/shank.
@igornikitine60202 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍👍👍
@chrishapp25402 жыл бұрын
Hello from Germany! Thanks for the video, can you do me a favour? Please drill a hole may diameter 5 or 6 in stainless steel, i like to show this my boss. The backround is that we have now support in Europe about this tool. Thanks and your videos are great! Regards from Germany!
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
I plan to do more videos with this tool. I will keep that in mind. When they sent me this tool it came with a 5-1 reducing gear box. In this video I wasn't using it. With that I'm sure you could drill a 6mm hole in stainless without any problem. I will be showing that in a future video. The real part I have in mind is some kind of steel. I will probably need to use the gear reduction.
@chrishapp25402 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision Thanks for fast feedback, i hope we can order it to use it in Germany.I just little scare about support, we will see. Thanks !
@careliannirkooy9516 Жыл бұрын
You can get Eltool corner heads from us, also specials and product support. We have delivered more than 30 Eltool angle heads to central Europe.
@chrishapp2540 Жыл бұрын
@@careliannirkooy9516 Nice! Please send me your Company Profile.👍
When did you update the control system on the Intregrex?
@EdgePrecision Жыл бұрын
I have never made any changes to the control on the Mazak Integrex.
@SimonPEdwards63 Жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision ok, for some reason I thought it looked different. Perhaps I'm confusing it with the control on the horizontal...
@RambozoClown2 жыл бұрын
Do you have any control over coolant volume and pressure?
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
There is a screw to restrict the flow. I also have a 5-1 gear reducer they sent with it. In the next video I plan to show more about these things.
@ravshankukiev74292 жыл бұрын
Да классно получилос. 👍👍
@brodyhmachining2 жыл бұрын
why did you take all the time to measure this tool in the machine when you have a tool presetter that could have got your tool geometry within a couple thousandths? Is there an advantage to doing this at on the machine?
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
It just the way I normally do it. The tool setter has a Cat 50 taper spindle and this machine has a Capto 8 spindle. I do have an adapter from Cat 50 to Capto 8 but it is being used right now on the Mitsubishi Horizontal.
@somebodyelse66732 жыл бұрын
I guess you'd just have to break some eggs to find out what the work envelope is for that little bugger, eh? If you could measure the coolant flow rate, maybe give you a start on calculating effective spindle power to figure a material removal rate limit.
@Acidreamerr2 жыл бұрын
With Peter's coolant system, hes got a little over two horsepower available with this tool. Enough to drill 1/2" holes in 4140 -Kirk Batten, Eltool Applications Engineer.
@mattmanyam2 жыл бұрын
Is this the company that you were trying to get for the strut?
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
I did show their tools in those videos. But for those parts I decided to make my own.
@mattmanyam2 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision I recall that you made your own. I just couldn't remember the name of the prospective vendor. Thanks!
@spazzywhitebelt2 жыл бұрын
@@mattmanyam I think he used Coolspeed for those parts, the ones where he had a slip fit with 2 bearings.
@floydyboy76192 жыл бұрын
That's an extremely expensive way of doing an oil groove, I've made 1000's of spiral grooved bushes over the years, simple 50 dia button face mill in a vmc, 2mins each in a 35 year old Matsuura.
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
It’s just a test of the tool. As I said in the video. It resembles oil grooves in a bushing.
@spikeypineapple5522 жыл бұрын
Do you think this would be a viable tool for cutting keyways?
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
I put the link in the description. Go to their site. They make a tool for cutting internal keyways.
@jesseriojas74562 жыл бұрын
They work great for cutting keyways however I prefer the gear driven one for obvious reasons. The coolant driven head would limit depth of cuts and feed rates.
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
There is another advantage to gear driven ones. It is possible to tap with them, not with this coolant driven one.
@jesseriojas74562 жыл бұрын
Ahhhh that’s right! Thanks for that fyi I can see that coming in handy.
@mattiasarvidsson8522 Жыл бұрын
interface looks like windows 95
@EdgePrecision Жыл бұрын
Windows 2000.
@mattiasarvidsson8522 Жыл бұрын
haha .. I was confused when I see your hand .. your voice sound like ur 20ish .. but your hand look alot older :D
@EdgePrecision Жыл бұрын
I am 68 years old.
@mattiasarvidsson8522 Жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision to run a machine like that it needs someone with alot of experience.. the last thing you wanna do is crash :)
@mannycalavera1212 жыл бұрын
What esprit cycle did you use for this?
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
Wrapped contour cycle.
@jerryk89652 жыл бұрын
What pressure do you need to run that tool?
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
According to their data it is volume that makes RPM. But the coolant on the Mazak can get up to above 1000 psi. But this does depend on the coolant hole size in the tool.
@markowen71642 жыл бұрын
You have that already. You used it on the air plane strut. M