Ebussyian so true

Bah Gawd!!!! He's killing him

Yes.

CAN YOU BELIEVE IT ! OUT OF NO WHERE !!! WRATHION ... Clearly in pain and Seballion in shock ! What a way to start Monday Nig-... i mean Dragonflight !

Cue the Stone Cold music.

He also made you grind visions for another legendary.

Amen. As Wrathion himself likes to ironically state, “Actions have consequences.”

But WoD wasn’t THAT bad Barney!? The questing and raids were top notch! BFA and Shadowlands were far worse 😔

He made warlords or draenor happen to empower garrosh to stop a legion invasion and created alternate timeline gul dan which made the legion invasion possible 🤦‍♂️

A Black Dragon Tribunal? Yeah keep dreaming buddy, that would literally NEVER happen, especially if it involves Wrathion and Sabellion. Have you met those two?!

I think so too. My first choice is Abyssian/Ebonhorn. But if he is not an Option (because the doesn't give a fuck) Wrathion is. because Wrathion actually listens to others while Sableian things he knows it all.

@@CrescentRuby Wrathion listens? He was told his attack on the djaradin would end in disaster but didnt care becouse of his giant ego.

@@tooth1539 no not entirely because of his ego. because with the player and himself taking a more active role he knew they would have a chance. so yeah it was more him going okey i will have to take a more active role (which he prob wasn't gonna have) and then with the players help too we can still win this ofc said in a more egocentrick way.. and well he was right wasn't he... now i imagine sabilian showing up had a huge effect on that too but still without him i think we'd still win cuz we had pretty much done most of the work whey they came swooping in. it wasn't just him ignoring the information and saying sod it we'll attack anyway with zero regard to his troops..

Tbh I think Ebonhorn is largely content being a Tauren

I'm okay with Ebornhorn taking over because he would most likely hand over leadership to Wrathion when he grew up enough for it. I don't think Ebornhorn would trust Sabellian either given his past with Deathwing, and Ebornhorn doesn't have that sort of ambition to challenge Wrathion if Wrathion proves himself worthy of leadership.

I feel like Wrathion is too immature and could benefit from having someone over him for a bit to humble him as well as help guide him. He never really had anyone like that since he hatched. People have helped save him and accomplish his goals, but no one raised him. He took over Ravenholdt after he hatched and was already scheming to help take down Deathwing in Cata. I know Dragon whelps can be pretty smart right out of the egg and help themselves, but they still need guidance. Wrathion did his research and worked things out for his benefit, and he has the right end goal of helping Azeroth. However, he still has a lot of blind spots when it comes to leadership and morals that Ebonhorn could greatly help with. Ebonhorn wasn't raised by the black dragonflight, but he learned much about proper leadership from Huln Highmountain himself and was there to help guide the tribe for thousands of years. Ebonhorn is perfect to help guide Wrathion.

@@sonniepronounceds-au-ni9287 Thing is, anointing a new aspect isn’t a simple thing. Takes time. If Wrathion doesn’t become aspect, they wasted time and money on even creating so many plot points with him involved. My personal opinions. Either way, I like both and wouldn’t mind anyone of them becoming Aspect of Earth. Just think it’d be silly on Blizz to waste the time on the character progression. Cheers

I'm afraid if that happens there will only be a scene of maturity and a speech of "I know better now" and then wrathion will act the exact same way.

@@peeko_luxx2873 They didn't waste anything, they made expansions that were bought. People aren't going to unbuy the previous expansions because Wrathion the Dumbbringer doesn't get a payoff for being dumb in every expansion.

Sabellian gonna become raid boss bc Wrathion was already one in bfa

Yeah... They didn't even bother giving Sabellian a unique model. He's definitely either going to become evil and we'll have to kill him, or he'll die tragically and with that Wrathion will "learn a lesson".

@@jeffulloa218 Lot of important dragons we'rent given unique models till later. And while on the subject of dragon models, they made Nozdormu look all wrong compared to his established looks. They removed 2 of his horns and feels like they change his silhouette some as well.

@@ordelian7795 I agree, Merithra didn't get an updated model like Kalec, Nozdormu and Alexstrasa, but still, it's weird that they did update his model, but still didn't give him a unique one.

@@jeffulloa218 His model is unique, just not correct.

That is a BS trope. Yes, it does exist, but it is just stupid. Nobody can be good at job they hate.

@@theodorsik It´s not about "hating" the job... It´s about understanding and respecting the responsibilities and ramifications of making mistakes in such a position, and not wanting to shoulder that burdern for fear of failing those that placed their trust in the incumbent. And those people more often than not do actually fulfill those roles excellently, because they always give it 110% instead of thinking they can coast by on the power they now have. ;)

Kahless said "Great men do not seek power. They have power thrust upon them."

@@theodorsik That's completely missing the point of the trope, it's not that that kind of characters would actually hate the job, in fact, they usually they end up feeling very comfortable in the leader position, the point of the trope is that they aren't obssessed with power, they are more suitable because they are actually thinking what that power should be used for instead of simply getting it for pure ambition.

This isn't a story trope it's a real life philosophy that is highly supported.

I would love if they just bicker while the other dragon aspects just recognize Ebyssian and just never tell them. :D

@@Valfara770 que laugh tracks and comedy jingle

There's already way too many councils and co-rulers in this game. Sabellion can go back to beating up ogres in Outlands.

@@TheFallingFlamingo co rule isn't really the same as a council tbh

Ebyssian doesn't want to lead. He is one with his tribe.

Ummm...rebuild what flight, he killed all of them in his purge except the ones fron outland

It took ALOT to cure just one. Let alone 2 ( ebonhorn) but he cured himself? And the others too? I doubt it. He is still corrupt in my eyes and also he was in outland that place twists magic. Thats how you get netherwings and other twisted creatures. He no doubt has been affected by outland. He is a ticking time bomb

He is already a leader, as you can see the majority of the black dragon fallow him from outland

But the whole point of being Earthwarden is protecting Azeroth, which Sabelian has not done. He ran to Outland. Wrathion, while immature and quite rash in his plans, always did everything to protect Azeroth itself. Sabelian just doesn't deserve the title of Earthwarden as he's done f-all for Azeroth even though he cured a bunch of black dragons.

@@Minox_ the Old Gods were still around, they would just been enslaved again

Oh, a corrupted dude said they were cured of corruption? Well then, that changes nothing.

isn't he also a coward who hid from the world in high mountain until the player character came around?

@@framinthor Not a coward. It was his home for thousands of years after Huln cleansed his egg of corruption. He was the tribe's shaman for many generations. He joined the Horde along with them. Dragons aren't obligated to be out saving the world. Ebyssian was neither part of the Wyrmrest Accord nor an aspect.

@@framinthor he couldn't leave high mountain, the place had wards that protected him from old gods corruption, if he left he would also be made a victim of deathwing madness

@@zennim125 sounds like a coward to me

Ebonhorn is no son of Neltharion. Hes the son of another Black dragon. So he is no heir of Neltharion. In the Dungeon he also says: Those enemies seek to harvest the bones of his father. As we know: Deathwing got turned into dust. So no bones.

Well, Sabellion is also Deathwing's son. And compared to Ebonhorn who did absolutly nothing meaningfull in his whole life and would have died like anyother simple black dragon if we didn't save him, Sabellion saved his flight and is the true definition of a king / emperor, Ebonhorn is not suited. Plus, he doesn't want to be a leader soooo...

They are all deathwings sons directly...

@@sylphephilippe449 What also would speak against Ebonhorn is that he is kinda strongly associated with the Horde.

Source for Ebonhorn being Deathwing's son? I've never heard of that.

@@mokarokas-1727 As far I know its never directly stated. Almost all black dragons are descendents of Deathwing. Ebonhorrn was born from a egg that was in the hort of Nelfarion (calling it his fathers lair), over 10000 years ago, implying he might be a direct child of Deathwing. Should be noted that Wrathion also calles Deathwing his father so, its not 100% clear. One should also consider that its not clear what the structures and familiar relationships inside a flight are. What should be notes is that Ebonhorn already represented the Black Dragon Flight once and is on friendly terms with Wrathion.

While I'm inclined to agree, Blizzard has changed loading screen's in the past with major story beats. For example, if I'm not mistaken, when Arthas was defeated in Wotlk and Bolvar was crowned, the loading screens for Wotlk zones changed from Arthas to Bolvar. Although you could argue that changing loading screens like that is probably resource heavy nowadays and has possibility to break something. I still wouldn't give Wrathion the win just yet.

@@J0llyGamer Think that loading screen didn’t come till a few expacs later. Could of even been just before Legion as Bolvar(New Lich King) had more plot points to help DKs get artifact weapons. Could be wrong though, memory is getting real fuzzy. 😅👌

Varian is on a load of loading screens for legion and he died in the intro. I don't think loading screens imply you're sticking around.

@@peeko_luxx2873 pretty sure the bolvar screen came with Cata.

@@SINDRIKARL1 Your probably right. My memory isn’t what it once was. Cheers

I forgot all about Sabel. He’s in a couple quests in Outland and has some minor roles/name drops in older lore books. I was pumped during the questing, the whole older brother vibes to Wrathion is awesome and truly hope we don’t lose him in those expansion. Would love to see more of them both, along with the sibling rivalry.

@@peeko_luxx2873 Yep. Known as Baron Sabermane. Only the Allys knew of him being a dragon during the quests in Bladesedge. But it seems like word about him being a dragon reached Stormwind a few years ago (despite not being seen in anything new since)

Don't get too used to him, my bet is he'll die or becomes evil.

I think it should have been renamed. Maybe for rogues with the daggers they could have a given level already as an added bit of rp and fun

Well, it's not reputation with "Wrathion" only, it's for Wrathion's candidacy to the throne, or, in other words, how much support we show to Wrathion's forces and side. Rogues have had slight boost with Wrathion's reputations in the past, and there is even "The Black Prince" reputation which is literally just Wrathion.

@@MalonzeProductionsGaming It would be wonderful if Rogues would get extra dialogue/RP if we showed up with the Fangs of the Father during Dragonflight... it looks so obvious that I wonder if I just missed it?

Doesnt he call you a true friend after maxing his rep?

To be fair Wraithion is only 12 years old

Ebyssian would make a fantastic Blackflight Aspect.

On the other hand Sabellian was a the chosen heir by Deathwing, that matters a lot and not in ways that favor Sabellian. After all should there be another Aspect of Earth who ever that might be might be very careful to not give the impression that it's just the return of Deathwing under a new name. For all his Immaturity Wrathion has been 100% clear he considers that era of the Black dragonflight to be shameful and something he doesn't want to repeat. Even Alexstraza who isn't really known for being unforgiving was vary of Sabellian or as she puts it "your part in your father's twisted legacy grants you no such privilege" when effectively banning Sabellian from entering the Ruby Lifepools.

@@SchizofromChi I thought that Wrathion is 18 years. Either way, young, impulsive, foolish and stupid at either age. lol

Wrathion gets no black dragon fellows because he keeps killing them when he found one

I agree and disagree, regardless you know Wrathions with the shits when it comes to dangerous events, so he is just as likely to die if he did not have plot armor lmao. However, Wrathion has basically been playing the role of their aspect by defending Azeroth (doing so horribly due to inexperience tho, still think he is the more fitting choice long term.)

*Insert both Sabellian and Wrathion complaining about the infinites stealing the election in unison*

Yeah, probably gonna end up a raidboss

The only problem i have with Ebonhorn or Ebyssian is that he's more Highland Tauren than Dragon, he was raised by Huln, has been advisor for the Highmountain Taurens for centuries, we want him to lead, but he was never around his kind at all, and the broken Islands adventures on showed an encounter with the green and the blue, but no other dragonflight, other than the 'Death of Chromie' arc.(Earned my Timelord title, yay), and Wrathion was largely absent since Pandari until now, so i'm also Sabellian.

Sabellian had a massive, massive advantage over everyone else when it came to the cleansing- he hid on outland where there were no old gods to continue whispering and pushing the corruption. Even in the Fangs of the Father questline Wrathion's loyal lieutenant is driven mad by the whispers in short order. How could you expect Wrathion to be able to cleanse his flight when they were literally just sleeper agents waiting to be activated by their all seeing masters? You couldnt. But if you took them somewhere that their masters couldnt see, or couldnt reach, then you could. They both did what was right for their circumstances.

That's some stupid take, it's like blaming someone for WW2 because WW1 lead to it. Yeah, let's blame them and not the ones that actually did cause it.

@@_Lis25 Well he did throw the psycopath that is garrosh into Dreanor wich is directly the reason why WoD exist (let's not forget he did ally himself with the infinite dragon flight to do that). If he did not throw Gul'dan into our timeline himself, we can't deny that his past action are a part of why it did happen.

​ @Pompom PONPON if you applied this logic to yourself, you would be in prison long ago. You would be responsible for all the things that you did by accident without knowing about them and for all the distant consequences of these actions, for all the echoes that they caused. Wrathion and Kairoz locked Garrosh in another world and another time. Garrosh shouldn't have even made it out to our timeline on his own. Kairoz is to blame for letting himself be killed, not even Wrathion. He wasn't there with Kairoz. And then we freed Guldan ourselves. We set him free with our own hands. How can you blame Wrathion after that. Then blame everyone for everything. The heroes of Azeroth unleashed N'zoth and did more shit... by accident.

@@MsLola2013 nah it was Kairoz and him working together that caused the entire thing to spiral out of control.. We had to free Gul’dan and his minions, otherwise The Dark Portal on their side would not have no closed. That was not a mistake by us but something we had to do reluctantly. In this case it was a the end justifies the means situation

Nah, he clearly said he has no desire to be the next leader, he just wants to be left alone supporting his flight. So even if we ask him he would say no.

@@sylphephilippe449 Thank you, lead writer for World of Warcraft!

@@sylphephilippe449 he might not want to lead, but like a wise man once said ''you and i, we dont get to hide''

I'd choose Ebyssian, but he's more of the advisor/diplomat type. Sabellian might be more leader material.

100% this

i agree to most of it but wanting to be a ''king'' or well in this case an aspect (a super powerfull being with massive amounts of power bestowed upon them, enough to cripple whole nations) doesn't make you fit for it. and truth is Wrathion is so arrogant and self centered that he believes that he is the smartest person to have ever lived even when he keeps failing and taking the hardest and most nonsensical road to achieve his goal which often comes with massive cost's especially in lives. truth is Azeroth could have been united peacefully with warnings of a legion invasion in the same way they mostly did in Warcraft 3 (Jaina's human/Kirin Tor expedition, Thralls orcs and the night elves by Medivhs warnings which saved the world) and now they knew more about the threat and all knew it was real so such a warning would without a doubt be taken serious and make peace and cooporation possible without all the death. and yet even after his vision of the plan failed, there were a real olive branch made to make the world united due to Varian, Anduin, Vol'Jin and Thrall so a warning at that point would make it so they wouldn't just aim for a peacefull coexistence but prob would rely on eachothers and create an alliance so he kinda detroyed that a bit by not warning them and especially by intervening and trying to make the iron horde when there was no reason to because he had essentially achieved his goal, just not in the way he wanted or thought he would do. his story is filled with such things of him ultimately achieving what he wants or thinks necesary but not realising it and thus squadaring it. IMO he is not a great leader, nor strategist, nor protector (he keeps starting wars in which the strongest most notable and possible war winning champions perish/becomes corrupted and evil such as garrosh or simply loose their mind such as Jaina (for a brief time), and he would have subjected Azeroth to a bunch of vile savages he had no control over simply because he thought everything on Azeroth should be uniform and ruled by one faction even if it mean basically the enslavement or eradication of all other mortal races when that is far from the case because time and time again Azeroth had been saved due to the races/nations/factions diffences and strengths all complimenting eachothers and making up for eachothers weaknesses when they all unite) and well sibilian is just too much deathwing like atm and equally as self centered and arrogant so yeah really sad Ebonhorn isn't an option (yet) hope they go that route though. with Wrathion and Sebilian almost starting a civil war so in order to save their kind they eventually both agree to stop seeking the power and give it to someone more worthy and less power hungry. which would open it up for Ebonhorn whom is by far the wisest and best leader the Black Dragonflight can offer.

Wrathion getting some character development, willingly abdicating to either Sabellion or Ebyssian, and then inheriting the job after one of them passes away would be a very satisfying way for this to play out.

"Sabellian is a reliable leader, but there is nothing there to indicate he'll care for anything beyond his own self interests/flight". There's nothing to indicate that he won't, either. That's a bit of a baseless accusation. I do like Wrathion, and I think that once he has matured and gained some experience with the Black Dragonflight, he could be a great Aspect. But for now, I think that Sabellian is the appropriate leader. (Ebyssian is not in the running, and I do wish that people would stop suggesting him. His role has always been that of an advisor, and he would gladly serve the Aspect in that role, I'm sure. Unless he heads back home to Highmountain, of course. But not Aspect.) Wrathion has a good deal of experience fulfilling the duties of the Black Dragonflight, and with his small army of Black Talons, could serve the Flight very well. The Flight has eyes and ears everywhere, thanks to him. He could become a Commander of the Flight for a while, as Sabellian's heir, and learn to lead the Flight one day. Sabellian has experience of leading the Flight itself, and has more maturity in general of course, being thousands of years older. I do think that he's the best option for for Obsidian Throne. Have a look at the cinematic where they meet. After they introduce themselves to each other, the battle flares up and they turn towards it. Watch their faces carefully, particularly their eyes. Wrathion glances in surprise at the battle in general, whereas Sabellian immediately looks around, gauging the fight itself, and assessing the situation. He is the true General and leader of the Flight.

Sabellion cared for the eggs, Wrathion didnt. Wrathion is immature and arrogant, hes the reason for WoD and Guldan. He doesnt care about consequences. He acts exactly like a teenager. Not what I would want to lead.

Sounds like the basis of all politics. Hell Nobbel may of not meant it but on thumbnail he imposed Sab over Trumps body and Wraith on Bidens similar philosophies. But ironically Trump was the new upstart originally against the old establishment so its kinda wonky. But interesting irl and in game

I think there is also the element of Wrathion having dedicated his entire life to fulfill the position of Earthwarden while Sabellian at the same time ensured the survival of the dragonflight and leading its remnants out of corruption, which included staying in outland out of action until it was safe to enter Azeroth again. Ultimately, both are experienced in one facet of being an aspect but fully inexperienced in the other.

It will be Wrathion for sure

Fool, the kin killer gets no support from black dragons, besides he only cares about himself, Sabellian is the one who kept most of the black dragon save in outland when the rest is hidden from his murderous requests

only if the story around it sucks. a lot of people would like Ebonhorn to be the aspect and thinks it's by far the best choice. so if they made a great story and good cinematics leading up to such a ''crowning'' less people than you think would be angry. hell it even shows. there's a lot of support for sabellian too and he is such an old opscure character that i didn't even remember him and he is a lot less likeable than Ebonhorn thats for damn sure.. so if he can attract support well that just shows not everyone likes wrathion and well a lot of people even those who like his character don't think he is aspect material or atleast not as much as Sabellian or Ebonhorn. atleast not yet.

Top comment for sure. Wrathion has been built up to be the leader since cata when he was introduced. BFA really showed him in more of a leading role in terms of showing his cunning and strength. This xpack is looking incredible

@@Cincere212 leader of a mercenary you mean!?, he gets no black dragon to follow him because he kept killing when every he found one

Ultimately Wrathion has more accomplishments on his belt for the position of Earthwarden while Sabellion has everything going for him as the leader of the black dragonflight. Which is a nuanced split I think, both parties have accomplishments the other one lacks.

Also he's immature. He runs to Alexstrasza and tries to pit the two against each other. He's also not that cool, like... bud you're like what 15? Sab's though survived a world shattering, the Legion, Orcs and Gron, while keeping his eggies safe. Boom. Sab for the win.

Same.

And dont forget legendary cloak in bfa with 15 levels to grind on all your characters, truly nefarious act

@@christianstout6390 Meanwhile, Wrathion in his short lifespan has been instrumental in the defeat of the Sha, prepared us to face the Legion (Even if it can by an accident he couldn't predict as he ain't a bronze dragon), saved Ebonhorn and was the key piece that allowed the defeat the N'zoth. All the meanwhile, none of the others dragons have tried to help him, or tried to imprison him and force upon him a role he did not feel ready for... People are quick to point out the issues of a character or a mistake they did (Even by unpredictable accident) and judge that instead of all the good they've actually done. At least Wrathion doesn't stand behind us in battle, but is right there besides the heroes on the front line, getting his hands dirty with them and those who follows him. Sabellian did horrible things under the service of Deathwing. And the only 'Good' thing that he has done since TBC, is come back with a bunch of eggs... Other than that, he has done nothing to uphold the duties of the Black flight, and simply swoops in when the time is convenient for him to stage a coup. At least Ebonhorn did something as well. Aided the Highmountain for centuries and protected their homes. He even aided ever so little with N'zoth AFTER he was saved by Wrathion... Actions speak louder than words. And Wrathion, while young, impulsive and brash. Has been truthful with his intent since after the Sha. He has shown remorse for his mistakes and owned up to them and shown that he was willing to be openminded to ideas and extremely willing to do his part in safeguarding Azeroth and those that call it home. And his actions has shown that he is already damned capable of Leadership, tactics, and combat. Unpolished, yes. But he is only a teenager and a whelp. And that is damned impressive.

@@BlackMrMax This! Wrathion for aspect

Who in the black dragonflight would follow Wrathion ? They have been with Sabellian for years and they would have suddenly to obbey a 2year old ?

Its true that Sabellian will need more screen time going forward, though I think it speaks for Blizzard making some major steps forward in their story telling, that despite Wrathion being the by far more known and present character, people are actually backing Sabellian.

How did he cause Guldan?

as good a reason as any I guess haha

Yeah but considering they are supposed to be Azeroth's defenders (meaning their purpose is literally to put their lives/flight on the line) Sab seems to not follow that and imo seems more like a selfish being in that respect. He is worried about his flight and its power before his duty, which is not what an aspect should do.

As a reference to putting personal matters over duty when it comes to the aspects, look at Nozdormu becoming Murozond because he believed his own life was just that important to avoid a pseudo end-time. Obviously he realized putting that before his duty was wrong bc shit ended up fuckin things up becoming our villain, so he put an end to his future self for that reason - this is why I side with Wrathion because they have that same mindset now, doing what needs to be done by keeping your oath above all else.

Of course, Sabellina can rule his flight in Outland. He did nothing for Azeroth. So please, let him be whoever he wants, but not on Azeroth.

The problem is actually exactly in this: Sabelian is too... shortsighted. Eventhou his followers say he cured them, this is just what they think. We already know how easily blinded we are by something someone says... *cleans her throat* Chronicles. I don't think they are cleansed at all.

@@CrescentRuby The corruption can still be cleansed and Wrathion has proven that it can be resisted, but that doesn't mean he should be the Aspect. It DOES mean he should share that knowledge with the rest of the black dragonflight to ensure the corruption is TRUELY cleansed and immunized against.

This is exactly what he was waiting for. But people don't care that Sabellian actually has to say a lot of thanks to Wrathion for everything he's done. It seems to be Sabellian's line - to do nothing but to take all the credit.

You should never be allowed to vote.

@@JulianaBlewett Did you really expect a serious opinion out of someone who is based off of a Silver Hand Recruit?

I agree, but while Wrathion makes a good protector of Azeroth, he makes a poor Aspect, meanwhile Sabellian makes a poor protector of Azeroth for obvious reasons, but a great Aspect.

@@sylphephilippe449 Well put. I like them both and could see anyone of the three on the seat. Would be cool to see Wrathion get it, and have Sabel and Ebonhorn as advisors. Or would be cool to see Sabel get it and Wrathion get pissed and plan some sort of revenge for the throne. Either way, I enjoy their interactions with one another and hope they can somehow work together. Cheers

@@sylphephilippe449 I would argue that a good Aspect is somebody who can embody both, his role among the five aspects as well as a leader to his own flight. Wrathion has worked all of his life to be the Earthwarden while Sabellian was dedicated himself into being the superior leader for his flight.

Ebyssian was temporarily corrupted in BfA, he's not completely safe.

@@Aetherian1 I think he's safe now however, with his original Hammer of Khaz'goroth purification and the additional treatment administered by Wrathion.

Your not alone, so would I

He isn't Black Aspect material he was hiding in Outlands till all the work was done and who was doing that work since he Hatched? Wrathion.

I gotta agree with our friend here. Wrathion is so young, but has put his ass on the line time and time again for the betterment of Azeroth. I actually really like Sebal but I just couldn’t imagine Wrathion not becoming Aspect. Cheers!

@@angelo14leo If he wasn't "hiding in Outland", he would have been dead with entire black dragonflight, excluding Wrathion and Ebonhorn - either due to corruption and following Deathwing until their demise (at least now it seems corruption is weakened or gone) or murdered by Wrathion, who, let's not forget, basically wiped out all remaining black dragons on Azeroth. Honestly, the biggest achievement of Wrathion is helping us with N'zoth (and killing remaining black dragons if you really want to count that in). Before then he caused entire Garrosh ordeal and Legion invasion while hiding from consequences. While Wrathion may be better choice for Azeroth (even if his attempts of saving it go south, he at least tries), Sabellian is better choice for his entire dragonflight. He ensured their survival, regardless of sceptical past and he is like father to them. Wrathion to other black dragons is literally a murderer who hadn't attempted saving those touched by Deathwing's madness.

@@hegvullet's just say what if Sebalian is dead along with the rest of the black dragonflight because of "not hiding in Outland" but instead active. Assuming they have a big role and assuming their flight gone thanos snap. Then who the fk is gonna repopulate the black dragonflight since the only male black dragonflight are ebenhorn, Wrathion and Sebalian. We don't even know who will be black dragonflight mate if we assume Sebalian and the remaining black dragonflight are gone.

Considering that they make you pick and then just give you quests for both of them anyway, I'm thinking that they might actually be doing that already

we constantly reminded the boards at WoW about Sabellian, but remember in Cataclysm, there was a call to eradicate the entire dragon flight as the quest line arc in Twilight Highlands, so Sabellian went into hiding in Blade's Edge mountains with his flight until Alexstrasza offered amnesty, try to remember who set Raszegath loose, it was Wrathion.

@@jordanvalencia9597 that doesn't fit the vid, her followers let her out, he investigated a disturbance and she kicked his butt.

Indeed, I find it hard to believe that there's people supporting Wrathion.

Wrathion had the luxury of a red dragon Rhea curing his Egg Sabellion HAD to go to Outland to avoid the corruption.

@@JswahSwitch He didn't go to Outland to avoid the corruption, he found himself there by following the corruption itself in the form of Deathwing, he was his leutenant and went there to support him and got abandoned when Deathwing escaped back to Azeroth.

In Wrathion's defense, he wasn't even a year old when he went on his genocide run of his entire flight. In hindsight though, yeah it wasn't the best call.

Because Wrathion would do anything to protect azeroth like a REAL Black Aspect while Sabellian ranaway and hid in Outlands

You also killed black dragons because they were corrupted. Wrathion was 0 years old during the Cataclysm, black dragons threatened him (Fahrad heard voices and they were unhappy with Wrathion), Deathwing, who served all the black dragons, personally tried to destroy Wrathion's egg (but these were Rhea's eggs). For the newborn Wrathion it was a kill-or-be-killed situation. And even realizing this, he regrets it. But you still put a newborn whelp in reproach. Wrathion is the only one who found a cure for corruption after Cataclysm. The only one who decided to save the black dragons when he had this knowledge.The Red Dragons were also working on a cure, but for some reason did not continue this work. The rest of the world has been slaying black dragons throughout history. Without a twinge of conscience. Including players. How can you blame Wrathion for what you yourself did and did not repent? Why didn't you save the black dragonflight?

@@MsLola2013 Funny how people give Wrathion shit for putting hits on his own flight back in Cataclysm. As you said, it was a do-or-die situation since the other blacks were trying to kill him just for existing. Sure, in hindsight, it wasn't exactly the best call on Wrathion's end since it does hurt his chances with winning over Sabellion's group, but Wrathion wasn't even a year old when he did that. And of course, the mortal races are also the reason why the black dragons are so few in number. Heck, in the Second War, the ALLIANCE actively destroyed black dragon eggs, mainly for the reason you mentioned. They also don't mention that Wrathion's the reason why Ebyssian didn't fall victim to the Old Gods back in Bfa because he found a cure. Heck, he even went so far as to have his Blacktalon agents keep tabs on Ebyssian just in case the Old Gods made a move on him.

Even worse though, he could go evil crazy if he IS the aspect.

Agree on all account except….. When did he succumbed to the old gods exactly ? If you mean in Ny’Alotha then that was an illusion on us as he clearly fine and the fog clear when the fight end

@Mr.BeeLightning Wrathion is actively afraid of the Old Gods influence, he has visions outside of Nyalotha and acknowledged it's a liability. He has an opportunity to prove his maturity by seeking help from Sabellian, once he has been cleansed he has potential as an Aspect

Except Wrathion did everything he did for Azeroth even though a lot of it was rash and had its own problems. Sabelian did f-all for Azeroth, ran to Outland and sat in a cave for years, just to show up now. The aspect is supposed to be the Earthwarden, not just the leader of a bunch of same-colored dragons.

@@saverna1 weren't he cleansed of the old gods influence ever since he was still an egg ? and by a titan artifact no less unless he was a sleeper agent sent by N'zoth all along I don't see how he would had these vision

@Mr.BeeLightning Rheastraz bred him to be uncorrupted, and he appears so until we get his POV chapters in books and short stories. He's stuggling with nightmares and visions more frequently, and our quests with him in cata and bfa involved procuring protection from old god influence. IMO Wrathion could use some help from Ebyssian and Sabellian to either put his mind at ease or cleanse him of a taint he is unaware of so far.