I do exactly the same!

Happy I'm not the only one who does this. Curious to see where the lore goes but can't be bothered to play retail

NE history since WC3 has been insulting.

It'll be a tree fort

Khadgar: And i took that personally

It is in the dream right now. I think when mature it will be moved to Azeroth.

It's supposed to be night elf new capital city. However the fact that they just threw l players into stormwind and orgrimmar does not give me hope they will go back to races starting in their own cities. I only say that because for example because so many other races have their cities still standing strong. However were also just tossed into those two cities

I think somehow the sword may turn into the tree when it leaves the dream? Maybe?

Could be the manifestation of life as used by the Genesect on Draenor. It would seem to fit the idea they want to hammer: Power is not tied to ideology, all power can be used for either good or bad.

He's already talked about that, it was discovered pretty long ago already. =)

I checked; he even made a dedicated video to it a month ago!

@@mokarokas-1727 Ah, thanks. I only do live servers and must have missed the video :D

Nah, I think his pace is great as it is.

​@@Jeff-fe8rfhonestly the original commenter has a point. Nodrassil has such a deep connection, and apparently already regrew. We know tyrande was living there after she left stormwind due to disagreements before the Start of shadowlands. So its kind of wild to me that they have yet to give any explanation as to why Nodrassil was never an option. Hell there was never an explanation as to why a mass 2nd home city wasn't built there too. However of course due to gameplay reasons we understand it's because they wanted to move the races to stormwind to help with new game stuff. However that's the issue with blizzards story telling, they change first and give a reason after remembering lol

@@bunnyrabi - "Nordrassil? What Nordrassil?"

If I remember correctly, the competition between the new potential firelords were they were both equally bad. We just made a deal with one

@@bunnyrabi - Not quite. The other one was vengeful and wanted to kill us, but Smolderon agreed to work with us to save the world. Why he now suddenly wants to help Fyrakk destroy the world is anyone's guess, so OP's confusion is completely valid and I share it. =')

A fair point.

Probably cause that will also mean any shaman player need to "cover" said position. That's the peoblem when you put in charge a volatile entity.

The player positivo in Legion was filled, canonnically, by an NPC. And Blizz did acknowledge this in SLands when Darion Morgraine led the Ebon Blade (unless you're the Deathlord). It's the NPC's that wielded the weapons to absorb the sword's power in Sillithus at the epilogue. The Shaman leader in this case was Nobundo so he could, technically, fill that role. But yeah, all this primordial elemental chãos and we can't use shamans to help cause Cata did that before. "And with Classic domingo, good Lord, ppl would be saturated with shamans!"

I've heard people throw up the idea of Fyrakk becoming the next firelord. I'd be super down for that. Love this char, our history with him could lead to super interesting storytelling.

@@Nobbel87 I feel like unless killing him cleansed the shadowflame in him, that could be a problem lol. I got the feeling that killing smolderon wasn't really killing him though, much like ragnoros. In regards to vyranoth I'm hoping she will have some kind of role, even if it's just being the guardian of the dragon isles or something. Maybe she will have to do with dragon isles taking over bfa as the new leveling experience? I just don't want to see her disappear and be forgotten after this expansion. Also curious if you completed the raid and didthe end questljne seeing the tree bloom in azeroth? After it the area appears setup for a questing area, with named areas and such, but nothing there currently. I'm wondering if it's a thing for night elves, or for the next .5 patch. I'm a horde blood elf, so if there's night elf stuff I wouldn't have seen it.

Imagine the void entering the domain of fire, corrupting the firelands into a more shadowy version? You say problem, I say AWESOME!!! but yeah uncertain if Smolderon is gone gone. They did pull the firelands into the dream so I guess? Have seen the end, imagine we're gonna build a city/get night elves a new home. To be continued! @@chidy9699

@@Nobbel87 hey one more thing if you don't mind. I quite playing around the second tier in legion, and just came back right before dragonflight. I missed all of BFA and shadowlands, can you recommend any of your stuff that would cover these areas so I can know everything I missed?

@@chidy9699 I need to make a summarised story of b4a/shadowlands. For now I'd recommend this one going into shadowlands: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jZmdp9ihzJfdlqs.htmlsi=HO78KlRVYAbSqODz

Idk her thing was shes suppose to go to the arbiter and get sent to the afterlife shes suppose to go too after she fixed her sins

It wasn't just night elf - Tyrande sent her to rescue /every/ soul. Sylvanas gonna be busy a while.

@@RatelRegalement Not "everyone"...just all the souls she condemned to the maw. Most of them, night elves who have now been freed.

She's gonna be free to come back when the writers need her to come back tbf.

she was charged with findng all souls not just the nightelf ones. also we saved a lot of elf souls from the maw but not even close to all of them

@@Nobbel87 I think that might've been meant more as a case of "This group has changed, it is not the same as we once knew it", rather than "these are actually completely different people"

@@Nobbel87 but isnt Tindral Sageswift one of them did he not serve in the druid of the flame when they served ragnaros ? Im sure we did not kill all the druid of the flames

@@ricahrdvelez8817 - Maybe some of them are from back then, but most (or almost all) of them are new - having joined specifically AFTER the burning of Teldrassil. So Tyrande can sympathize with them slightly more.

If memory serves, she's been in the dream before during the novel Stormrage

and us hero are there 2. Everyone can enter the Dream

Entering the dream through druid meditation is difficult, but with normal portals anyone can enter. These portals have been opened and used more in recent times.

His speech sound like he wanted to reference Deathwing, Illidan and Garrosh since they used iconic words or phrases they used

Merithra has blue eyes, so...

How is it a plot hole? She didn't want destruction of azeroth like fyrakk, she doesn't want to mess with the void and evils of the past like iridrikron. She literally just wanted to be free to choose and live in a world of freedom. However that can't be a thing if her brothers are literally inviting forces that seek to destroy her beautiful world

@@bunnyrabi that's the problem, it's exactly what she wanted she even says so herself. She didn't even object to destroy the world tree. But as soon as Flame Drids got involved she forgot all the hundreds of thousands of years of solitary inprisonment and lobotomized children and switches side. It a huge plot hole, if she is just fooling Alextraza

@@AlexanderForsman - It's "only" 20 000, not hundreds of thousands. And destroying the tree so the "titan lackeys" can't have it is VERY different from using the tree to destroy the entire world. That's where Vyranoth drew the line. I agree it had to be fleshed out more and explained more clearly, but you're misunderstanding the situation.

@@mokarokas-1727 my b about the years. Vyranoth herself say only vengeance remains. She and Iridikron wanted to destroy/ruin Azeroth completely so to spite the titans. Possibly even bait them into comming there so the Primal Incarnets could attack them. Then flame druids happened, and Vyranoth does a 180.

@@AlexanderForsman - Yeah, but clearly her line about vengeance wasn't 100% sincere, since she now thinks she can work together with the Aspects to make things better for protodragons and the world as a whole. Or at least remove the immediate world-ending threat (Fyrakk) first. No, she didn't want to destroy the world, she wanted to "free" it from the titans' influence. She didn't "180" because she saw the druids of the flame, but because that's when Fyrakk told her he was going to use the tree to burn the world. Fyrakk also told her straight to her face that he wouldn't fight for her ideals anymore.

Because not everyones bitter asf , and this expac was under Metzen btw too

WoW has never been quality storytelling lol. TBC story was just as bad as Shadowlands.

Been there before like during the emerald nigthmare raid back in legion & druids use the dreamways to quick travel through azeroth

@@Nobbel87 Ah gotcha.

Where be da fun in dat?… -every troll PvPer🦇💀 For Zul’Drak!❄️

First need their Aspectral power back, which as best we know so far will need Tyr back.

Fun to speculate, but try and not put your eggs in one basket.

They said it was going to be related to sunwell and the high elves. I guess midnight supposed to refer to the opposite of midday(sun at the highest). Since they explained at the con there will be dark forces trying to extinguish the light of the sunwell

It seems so, there's apparently not going to be another raid.

Explain..? Maybe you're confusing Tyrande with Sylvanas? lol

@@mokarokas-1727 No, very much mean Tyrande, though Sylvanas definitely deserves the slander these days. No, if you really think about it Tyrande is a xenophonic rascist and the greatest terrorist in Azeroth's history. Yes, it was justified to use extreme measures to defend against the Legion Invasion summoned by Azshara. What wasn't justified was blowing up a continent to do it. Illidan literally td her and Malfurion not to do what they did, because of the exact consequences, and that he had a plan that was almost ready. They CHOSE to blow up the Well of Eternity. Then when their people were trying to rebuild they stepped in to take power and seeing Illidan, their staunches ally/brother/simp, might be considered their equal they cast him out of council. Cast out all magic users, pinning on them the blame both for their own actions to blow up the well and Azshara's to summon the Legion onto them to solidify their rule. To that same end they never freed the Nightborne. For 10,000 years. Them when Illidan, now an exile, made a lesser Well of Eternity to help their people with Mana Withdrawal they swooped in seized it, imprisoned him for 10,000 years. Then they planted a tree over it, got the Dragon Aspects to bless it so they gained Immortality, all on the foundation of Illidan's contribution while labeling him "The Betrayer". In the meantime they force indoctrinated their entire society into Druidism and Elune worship, because she wasn't a racially important diety before then outside of one city. Setting up an authoritarian rule under their control, with a mostly powerless council under them to please anti-monarchy sentiment(the only real reason they weren't crowned). While doing this they forced their whole civilization to collapse into a few settlements camping out in the Ruins of their own Empire. Most of these settlements actually being made by arcane caster exiles. 10k years later they freed Illidan, begging him for help and basically throwing him solo at the Demon problem they let fester for 10k years. Demanding that he work harder and faster until he complied and took extreme actions, that still weren't inherently evil just disfiguring, and then shunned him for doing what they demanded. Exiling him AGAIN because of his new demonic appearance. Then they unilaterally made the decision to both sacrifice their entire species immortality and not to grow a new World Tree blessed by the Dragons when offered. They've since systematically betrayed everyone close to them in one lore book or another until they started losing their most powerful backers like Ysera and Cenarius. Then, and only then, did they actually start playing nice with their neighbors. They also used this opportunity to go after Illidan once again, who for his part even in BL lore had after failing to assassinated the Lich King screwed off to an entire different planet to form an anti-Legion resistance. And this is just a general overview because I don't want to spend then next month Deep diving the lore for individual moments where she was just the worst person in the room.

@@originalShorai - If you say so. =') If the Well wasn't blown up, there would be no Kaldorei at all. There's clear bias in your judgment, bias that wouldn't be necessary if she was truly to blame. Not sure what they could've done to "free" the Nightborne from their own impenetrable wall either. Anyway, these fanatics are specifically blaming her for things that are NOT in any way her fault; the sacrifice of Nordrassil in the Third War, the ending of night elf immortality, and somehow they worked the burning of Teldrassil in there. Then don't mention racism and such, or being the "worst person in the room". lol, there's nothing "tell the truth about her" about it.

@@mokarokas-1727 If the Well wasn't blown up Illidan's plan to suck all the demons back through the portal would have worked. Instead Malfurion purposefully overloaded it, causing the Sundering. We saw him do this personally in a Cata dungeon. This killed most of the Kaldorei, created the Naga and most Satyrs directly, and split the continent into pieces. All she had to do to free the Nightborne was literally stand outside the shield and say they're safe to come out. They put it up as a fallout shelter and thought the rest of the world was taken by the Legion. For 10k years she let them slowly starve in a self-made prison because she was mad they didn't give up everything to join a rebellion with a random couple of country bumpkins expounding doomsday conspiracies. The fact they were right only made it ironic, not Suramar's "great sin" of not listening to then minor temple acolyte Tyrande. Malfurion personally blew the horn calling the spirits of dead Kaldorei to destroy the World Tree and Archimonde instead of doing it before he got there. Malfurion and Tyrande personally made the call not to rebuild. All of this is undeniably true in lore. As for Teldrassil, I assume they are referring to taking in the Worgen, who Sylvanas hates with a passion following Graymane's actions in Legion. Definitely not Tyrande's fault, but if you're in a poor state you can be easily manipulated to blame someone for a tragedy.

@@originalShorai - I haven't read the trilogy, but that is NOT what happens in-game in the dungeon. Most of the stuff you say still ends at a "if you say so", because nothing really supports it. You're mostly making her responsible for what OTHER people did. She didn't create any naga etc., buddy. lol The surviving Suramar from Legion didn't even exist in the lore when those books were written, I don't know where you're getting this from. Up until Legion Suramar was canoncially a sunken ruin with no survivors. Didn't the wisps need Nordrassil's power to pull that off? That's what WC3 implies, and I've seen nothing that suggests otherwise. Either way, Malfurion is not Tyrande. =') Yes, and I don't know if you're in a "poor state", I don't even know you, but you're definitely biased or manipulated into blaming Tyrande for things she didn't do. Stick to the things she actually outright did, and your argument will be more compelling.

*GUUUULLLLDDDAAAAANNN*

I feel like you’re giving Shadowland too much credit…

I personally don’t think it’s badly written outside of Fyrakk’s character (in this patch). It’s definitely an introductory story expansion going forward (based on blizzcon). It’s nowhere near the madness that shadowlands was in terms of lore and story. Overall I think it’s a good stepping stone.

Im really enjoying this story actually

@@jsczesny8939Same.

Love it when wow doomers pretend to know what good writing is.

Tyrande always been very strict and temperamental though. So that's nothing new. I just don't like they make her too hot-headed that she can't focus on good strategies sometimes like back in mists of panderia. However I guess her whole night warrior thing gave a reason for her being so rash. As for the other parts you mentioned, I mean unless you are the one of the Elves that believed Elune betrayed them then tyrande isn't wrong. She is still the high priestess and the faith is still in Elune. So if there are some of her people going against their ancient faith; since elune was literally part of gifting the seed... then she isn't crazy for calling them fanatics. Overall, lore wise, she is completely in the right. Behavior wise she is still a bit rash and hot headed.

I love how out of touch you guys are to come to a video and whine about shit you clearly have no idea about ,when has wow ever been not full of holes , Wrath the pinnacle of wow made the lich king a mustache twirling man

You don't even know what the book is about. lol