SAFETY MEETING! Climber has limb he is standing on split while aloft. Some thoughts on Barber Chair

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Guilty of Treeson

Guilty of Treeson

2 жыл бұрын

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@mattbrunattree
@mattbrunattree 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting Jacob! Hit the nail on the head. Appreciate you getting my video out there to a bigger audience. Mistakes were made. Post it, share it, learn from it.
@GuiltyofTreeson
@GuiltyofTreeson 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Matt! Lots of guys would have chosen to keep This one private but good for you trying to help us all out!
@buckinbrewer9354
@buckinbrewer9354 2 жыл бұрын
You are a champ man. I am glad to have seen this video. It has given me more awareness of what to look out for and to avoid. I’m sure this could easily have happened to absolutely anyone. I’m glad you are ok. Keep climbing and stay safe out there brother. Thank you for the courage to show the rest of us what can happen. It helps to see the bad and keep us on our toes.
@jasonsayre8102
@jasonsayre8102 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt for the video and Jake for puting it out there. Im a new, occasional climber and stuff like this is so valuable and so much to learn from. Just another thing to really keep an eye out for, especially me being green. Seriously appreciate that you decided to share this. So happy you're ok Matt, be safe out there guys.
@neild7971
@neild7971 2 жыл бұрын
99% sure I know how to avoid this, but I’m 100% sure I could have made the same mistake as you in the moment. Appreciating the reminder 👍
@SLOCLMBR
@SLOCLMBR 2 жыл бұрын
It only takes one thing.. glad you're ok, good on you for sharing the footage. Hopefully those of us who see will remember the lesson
@scotthagapac
@scotthagapac 2 жыл бұрын
I think looking at accidents so people can learn for the future is one of the greatest opportunities for these videos!
@alsmith1392
@alsmith1392 2 жыл бұрын
There is truth to that as far as education. I would add, those videos for the more experienced tree person. I do a lot of training of new people. And advice not to watch those kind of videos, only because they do not understand the reasons or dynamics involved as to why things go wrong in videos. I feel it is counterproductive in new people. It can easily instill fear. I would also add, there are good youtubers out there who put out videos that incorporate beginners level of explanation. And I'm not saying this is a bad video by any means.
@robertbrown9237
@robertbrown9237 2 жыл бұрын
👌
@brettblack7049
@brettblack7049 2 жыл бұрын
@@alsmith1392 and it should.
@trstreemanagement7545
@trstreemanagement7545 2 жыл бұрын
This is all pathetic nonsense.
@trstreemanagement7545
@trstreemanagement7545 2 жыл бұрын
Small boys trying to give advice to become famous, pathetic
@JeremyHamaker
@JeremyHamaker 2 жыл бұрын
Apart from the primary value of the opportunity to learn from this situation, I am blown away by how different the arborist community reaction is to this, compared to reactions by people in their other industries. Since I first saw this video on Instagram, 95% of the reaction has been calm speculation of ways it could be approached differently, and frequent and easy admissions that nobody is perfect and if they're being honest, they have made mistakes like this too. No judgmentalism or condemnation or mocking. It is so refreshing and encouraging and different than many other communities where the criticism is so much more holier than thou, and yet the stakes for a mistake in those other activities are so much lower. I commend and applaud the climbing arborist community for this maturity and supportiveness. Not even for a newbie hobbyist such as me, but for the new industry based climbers and the rest of your fellow climbers; they get so much more benefit from this posture of humbleness, grace and desire for everyone to look forward and consider how the *next* time can be done better for everyone.
@stevebailey8890
@stevebailey8890 2 жыл бұрын
Climbing and cutting is very humbling when it’s life or death , we all understand what it takes!
@fionngray3553
@fionngray3553 5 ай бұрын
Very well said
@hansyoutube2678
@hansyoutube2678 5 ай бұрын
Good to hear! Becauae here in Germany we have some really toxic people crowding the digital space -.-
@johndurant8687
@johndurant8687 2 жыл бұрын
Another safety consideration is having both lanyard snaps on the same d-ring. this prevents a splitting limb or leader from squeezing you from 2 points on your hips. If you're only being pulled from one it is much easier to move and far less painful.
@kellychase579
@kellychase579 2 жыл бұрын
I do the same thing in ify situations. Sometimes I take a second wrap with lanyard and attach to same ring. Once saved me from impersonating tooth paste when a 12" oak limb did this! Great video.
@nbco55
@nbco55 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, saved my hips once. Single point tie in, horizontal leader, sycamore split, crack, snap goes lanyard, I swing on tie in on adjacent tree, yeeha... Adrenaline rush, done for the day... Lol... To old and paranoid to climb anymore... Now I just run the bobcat. ;)
@stephendawg1
@stephendawg1 2 жыл бұрын
Jacob, I’m a 60 yr old retiree and a new groundsman. One of the things I enjoy about the young man I work for is being his second set of eyes on the ground. We are a 2-person crew and we trust each other. What you shared and explained with Matt’s video is so helpful and I will add it to the short list of things I’ve learned so far working for my boss. Blessings my friend!
@crwinsor
@crwinsor 2 жыл бұрын
What a great recovery. Quick thinking, under pressure, self rescue, common sense. All the elements necessary to survive an event like this.
@tylerpierce8431
@tylerpierce8431 2 жыл бұрын
Happened to me too on a vertical leader whose top was leaning way over. In my case, all I had was my lanyard. I got pulled into the stub hard and fast. Fortunately, the top broke after a few seconds. Scared the crap outta me. I now follow Patrick’s advice: don’t go-big-or-go-home; go-small-AND-go-home.
@terryhale9006
@terryhale9006 2 жыл бұрын
Among my tools, I have, but have never used, a six-foot length of chain with a grab hook on one end. I got it to wrap around such limbs to keep them from spreading. It won't stop the split from happening, but it will hold the split together.
@ArboristNico
@ArboristNico 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing other peoples mistakes helps me to not even get into these situations in the first place. Great way to learn! What I do on branches like these is get a undercut in. Then do 2 deep cuts on each side to release pressure.I am then left with a thin strip of wood reaching from the top to the middle. Then I cut it from the top as fast as possible so that it leaves a cube-like hingewood right in the middle. Never had that fail me.
@liam090295
@liam090295 2 жыл бұрын
Box cut
@brettblack7049
@brettblack7049 2 жыл бұрын
Similar to a wedge/coos bay cut(edit; also called a triangle cut). They can still peal out, but nowhere near like in the video. A tip for new guys is to practice these cuts on a tree you've fallen. One caveat is that they will not have a similar tension compression as they did not grow that way, but it will help to learn to match your cuts well and how fast they can split if not done properly while having your feet on the ground. Be safe out there guys.
@gratefultree7368
@gratefultree7368 2 жыл бұрын
I like this technique too, willow is weak and bridle so I’d probably use a face cut (underside) and kerf cuts to help it from barber chairing.
@HandreeaR
@HandreeaR 2 жыл бұрын
This is the way to do it, with some types of trees, there is no other safe way, like a hanging beach branch for example, or any other long fiber tree that is prone to this type of split. I think this video would have been complete, with this explanation as a solution.
@filipbelak6594
@filipbelak6594 2 жыл бұрын
Cool advice! So basicaly if a horizontal branch is too thin for a bore cut you do box cut?
@mungtor
@mungtor 2 жыл бұрын
Glad Matt wasn't hurt, and you discussed this in a straight-forward professional and educational manner. Mistakes happen, and learning from them can benefit everybody. Great job.
@mcauleyman
@mcauleyman 2 жыл бұрын
i find when climbing and cutting leaners like the video, it has worked for me to cut both of the sides before doing the back cut
@devonashburn7000
@devonashburn7000 2 жыл бұрын
"This is a 2D video, I can't really see the tree, I know it looks different in real life and I'm trying to speculate." Dude, I just want to say what an incredibly fresh perspective coming from someone in this line of work. You realize that you don't have all the facts, you can't see the whole tree, so you can't say exactly what he should have done because you weren't there. A super intelligent, well thought out take. You'd be surprised at the amount of guys who have a lot to say even though they weren't on site. Anyway, very informative video, while also being supportive to the guy who posted it.
@wingsareforshow7841
@wingsareforshow7841 2 жыл бұрын
just found you yesterday. watched a ton the last 48 hrs. its informative, and so entertaining. and you are awesome at what you do. be safe. and thank you* by far the best real tree channel i’ve come across. fellow climber in Ohio. well done. Brian
@inky8123
@inky8123 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve worked in machine shops my entire career and the first thing we do to a new machine is disable the safety features… I recently started climbing, wanting to get out of machining and into tree work. One thing abundantly clear in the tree world is how much the community respects safety and embraces sharing failures. Not a lot of industries have that perspective and priority. Thanks for sharing this video!
@Swampster70
@Swampster70 2 жыл бұрын
I worked in an oil refinery in the US for a little over 10 years. They're the same way - safety, safety, safety. If someone so much as drops a wrench when 15ft above grade there's a safety standdown and questions are asked and lessons learned. If you saw a problem, no matter how small, you owned it. When you owned it, if you did nothing about it, that meant a chat with the boss and likely HR. I remember my second day on that job. A contractor had about 8 big buckets stacked in the back of his pickup. The road was at a 6% grade and he was standing on the buckets to reach the top bolts on a sign he was putting up on a tall post. There was no bed liner in his pickup bed and it was raining. The engineer I was with, who was showing me the job pulled up along side his truck an wound down the window. I though we were there to watch the ensuing comedic faceplant that was surely going to happen. He then asked me "well, where's the English sarcasm now? Aren't you going to tell him what an asshat he's being and that he should get down and go get the proper ladder for the job?" The guy said he only had one more bolt to put in but I reminded him that because I had told him to step down from the job and called a "stop work" incident that it was now my behind on the line for his safety. We had to wait 30 minutes for him to come back with a ladder to complete the job safely. At the time I felt like an idiot for doing this but he went home with teeth and nose intact and I learned an on the job lesson. At first it seemed tiresome, the overbearing emphasis on safety but as time progressed it just became more like a company where people were looking out for each other and making positives when bad things did happen. Look out for your coworkers and make sure that everyone goes home as healthy as they arrived, if not healthier.
@jakiegoter2411
@jakiegoter2411 2 жыл бұрын
Really like the idea of doing some more safety talks. Really appreciated this!
@nicholasmor1
@nicholasmor1 2 жыл бұрын
Great chat, good subject to discuss . Traver Ahern has a great video on cutting massive lateral wood and making it land flat by cutting the sides up after you do your under cut / compression cut - works awesome , just don’t get pinched !
@davidk7324
@davidk7324 2 жыл бұрын
Matt, you are a generous man with integrity. Sharing these types of learning moments can have downstream positive effects for the arborist community by reducing injury and worse. Good man. And thanks to Jacob for pointing out the uncertainties.
@TheTimmehtimmeh
@TheTimmehtimmeh 2 жыл бұрын
Really thankful for the breakdown in this. I saw that video a couple days ago and that clarification was great.
@njaydulak1
@njaydulak1 2 жыл бұрын
It's kind of crazy that you just posted this because I was in the EXACT same position yesterday. Large piece on a trim with nothing higher to tie into, so I couldn't limb walk out there. Thankfully I was bucked off to the trunk and not the piece that split about 5 feet. Really appreciate you posting this man, it's good to see climbers having other climbers safety in mind.
@jimwittneben7719
@jimwittneben7719 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I have seen other videos on the "barber chairing" of a horizontal or leaning branch, but I had not seen the vertical split that happened to you and the other person in the comments below. I think that this is your best video due to saving people. Thank you again. Stay safe.
@aaronvaneps7110
@aaronvaneps7110 2 жыл бұрын
I've just started climbing, so I really appreciate these kinds of things. Now that I know the basics, it's instructive to see how and why things go wrong.
@messybench
@messybench 2 жыл бұрын
That verticle cottonwood split on a crane job! Wow! Didn't see that coming. Thanks for all that you do.
@lukependleton2589
@lukependleton2589 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing that video and your thoughts on it. Awesome to actually learn from a situation and not just trash talk someone. It was done in a respectful professional manner. Also huge respect to Matt for posting and allowing it to be shared. Hopefully we can all be a little safer now.
@aaronworkman7122
@aaronworkman7122 2 жыл бұрын
an undercut and snipping the sides as deep as you can before finishing with the top cut can usually prevent a barberchair, it severs the wood so it cannot split in half, instead your left with a "post" that just acts like a square hinge, although iv'e been SRT in willows, and i know how shitty, and uncomfortable that can be: stuff happens fast, and to the best of us. be safe out there!
@calebrolls5834
@calebrolls5834 2 жыл бұрын
Came here to say this. “Post cut” as I like to call it. I especially do this on oaks and really any tree that’s more prominent to Barber chair.
@aaronedler7986
@aaronedler7986 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Thank you Matt for sharing and Jake for breaking it down. Very educational for climbers at any level. Love the videos Guilty but this is my favorite so far.
@geoffreygreen297
@geoffreygreen297 2 жыл бұрын
Those stories you heard........ Happened to me about 17 years ago. I was topping out a hard wood and it split vertically, opened up and when it closed it had my harness. I had fun with that one. It was an eye opener to say the least. God bless you and have a great weekend.
@thelawsons2
@thelawsons2 Жыл бұрын
You’re a rockstar J. Love watching and learning.
@dianncharlan5648
@dianncharlan5648 Жыл бұрын
Another great video Jacob! Glad no one was hurt when this happened.
@Treehandler
@Treehandler 2 жыл бұрын
You should try doing short 5-10 minute safety stand downs weekly
@billeckelberry6502
@billeckelberry6502 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoy your videos! You always have so much fun, but you are always serious about safety. A good reminder to stay focused so everyone goes home in one piece.
@ThienTran-ly9fi
@ThienTran-ly9fi Жыл бұрын
I love these type of videos. It really bring home the danger of tree work and every new climber should watch before starting tree work. Save lives
@justinmargason7261
@justinmargason7261 2 жыл бұрын
I like the discussion of these incidents. Hope you do more of these
@Damon_365
@Damon_365 2 жыл бұрын
Not many people are willing to teach the why but only the how. Thanks for this one. Glad he is ok.
@amfwelsh
@amfwelsh 2 жыл бұрын
great upload. these things can happen so so fast in all types of work. be safe
@mawuho1566
@mawuho1566 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks to you both for this great opportunity to learn! More videos like this would be awesome to gain awareness for dangerous situations! Maybe they even could save someone's life! Thanks again and all the best from Germany.
@robertzedric8954
@robertzedric8954 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, I'm impressed by that quick action by Matt. Great composure to grab your saw and finish it off.
@stihlcuttin5784
@stihlcuttin5784 2 жыл бұрын
The branch split out because he had no notch. Also his undercut was very shallow. When he came in on his top cut the long branch only had the width of his bar to close up. Once that closed together the only place to get rid of the inertia was to pop off or split out. In this particular wood it split out. A slightly deeper and wide face cut would have made a big difference. Also kerf cuts on the sides of the notch would have helped. All that being said hindsight is 2020 and if I was in a bind out on a limb without hooks I would have probably done exactly what he did lol. Be safe guys
@worstoneyet8098
@worstoneyet8098 2 жыл бұрын
You can clip the flipline back onto itself, so when and if it squeezes you're not in the crunch zone. Thanks for the video.
@khysor1832
@khysor1832 2 жыл бұрын
I do the same
@filipbelak6594
@filipbelak6594 2 жыл бұрын
Could you elaborate? Flip the line around the trunk and then instead of cliping it into my harness I should clip it directly back into the line? Did I understand correctly?
@worstoneyet8098
@worstoneyet8098 2 жыл бұрын
@@filipbelak6594 yep, or the same d, better for your harness to clip it back on itself. I've only ever tried it with a steel core flipline, and never had to deal with a delam.
@danpowell3750
@danpowell3750 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jacob and Matt. There's no such thing as too safe. It's a gift to be able to learn from others mistakes.
@joshpomponio2993
@joshpomponio2993 2 жыл бұрын
That’s a good thing to go over really thankful Matt is ok More vids like that I think can help 👊
@arbotree213
@arbotree213 2 жыл бұрын
If you cant make a nice deep undercut then some wing cuts really help in this situation. That way you have a lot of the tension and compression cut out before you hit the top cut. Usually the peice then just pops of that post left in the middle and falls flat.
@strand4of8
@strand4of8 2 жыл бұрын
Good safety tip. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and ways you reduce the risk. Keep up the good work
@davidpalmer3015
@davidpalmer3015 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate Matt sharing this and you making a safety lesson out of it. I won’t forget this and it could save someone’s life. Also appreciate the experienced guys in the comments. Lessons learned. 👍🏻
@AlanUnpronounceable
@AlanUnpronounceable 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you and Matt for this, its important to show that in some work you can used established proper techniques and still have negative outcomes so its good to stay as knowledgeable, aware, and prepared as possible.
@rawbeeee
@rawbeeee 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge like this. Thank you!
@fatuglybiker
@fatuglybiker 2 жыл бұрын
I live in Illinois, cottonwoods are the scariest trees we have here as tree workers.
@anuaruddinbinmohdali6362
@anuaruddinbinmohdali6362 2 жыл бұрын
Becareful...brother ...and thank for the advice..hope you well.
@bunyipdan
@bunyipdan 2 жыл бұрын
Mat sharing the video with is great ..... it is was a good opportunity to discuss this risk. From an instructional point of view when you talked about tying into the small vertical branch and splitting knots .... it would have been great to have a longitudinal cross section of an emergent branch to help show how the figured grain and describe how this interupts long splits. I think maybe also discussing the grain structure of a limb that grows at an angle compared to a vertical trunk can also be informative ..... growth rings are denser/tighter on top and more wider/open on the bottom (the center of the growth rings is closer to the upper side of branch). This can help show the inherent structural weaknes/difference within the wood of the branch. I like to usually choose a bore cut when confronted with this situation, but a conventional bore cut can be difficult in thinner diameter wood ..... maybe a slightly deeper scarf cut rather than just a single small face cut ..... not a critisism just my choice. A separate cinched choker or snatch strap around the branch could have helped I guess, but there was a lot of weight out on the end of that limb so significant springing/whipping could have occured when the weight was released as well ..... so I guess in hind sight if you had to cut where he did then maybe tying off two higher points might have been the way. It is important to know the general characteristics of different tres species and assess their condition to properly determine risk, you really get that insight from experience ...... live and learn, every so often you gunna be faced with risky choices, happy Mat made through that little lesson relatively unscathed. Just my two cents, It would be interesting to hear what Mat thinks he might do differently.
@CounTreeGuy
@CounTreeGuy 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Jacob! Gets everyone thinking. 👍
@havespurswillclimb
@havespurswillclimb 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the video. Seeing the split branch video was unnerving. Good talk. The video and your comments help revive thoughts of "safety". We all get a little careless over time.
@Car-dash-Ian
@Car-dash-Ian 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Jacob thanks for sharing. I think he should have made a plunge cut leaving a few inches of wood next to himself completing the plunge cut up to the hinge and lastly cutting those few inches and the trees would have fallen in one piece. Well that's how I was taught to do it here in Ireland 🇮🇪
@garyhenion9459
@garyhenion9459 2 жыл бұрын
Poplar mechanic posted a video the other day of a branch breaking that he was standing on, he rode that sucker to the ground Always look forward to your videos no matter how long they are Appreciate your time and commitment
@brettblack7049
@brettblack7049 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking of that watching this.
@enius6
@enius6 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff!! something i would have never thought about, but then trying to think of way's to do it differently... it's a really hard one, but an awesome video!!
@goldeneaglearbor614
@goldeneaglearbor614 2 жыл бұрын
Glad Matt is ok I don't work out on spars much mainly just pine or cedar but when out on a spar I wrap my flip line around fully then hold the carabiner in my hand so if it did this same thing I could let go but that full wrap around gives me the stability. I wouldn't recommend it really because now your cutting with 1 hand but to each their own and barberchair scares the crap out of me when on a heavy spar/leader.
@KT-en8pq
@KT-en8pq Жыл бұрын
This is second time I've seen this lately. I think I'll be tying into some place other than the limb I'm on from now on. Thank you both for sharing this enlightening experience.
@jasonsahrle5448
@jasonsahrle5448 2 жыл бұрын
You don't get scared or nervous very offen if ever, I knew something concerned you on that cottonwood, I thank you for this video, everyone that watched this definitely learned something! I'm sure this video will save some lives!!!
@thelazyarborist
@thelazyarborist 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining this I talked to Matt b about it as we work in the same city. It's a blessing it didn't hurt him cause I love talking to Matt I learn alot from Matt, August and yourself love the videos dude thanks again for bringing awareness in this industry. I've lost a friend to tree work and it was a shifty thing to go through so God bless yall and climb safe
@sallowknight1396
@sallowknight1396 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome job, Dude! Hope you are well.
@hrstuck
@hrstuck 2 жыл бұрын
August Hunicke mentions a cut technique in his 5 Headed monster part 1 video more than once but around the 7min mark I think is the first time. He is worried about the same splitting action but because it could release the hold of the ringing line. I won't try to explain the cut technique but I will use it for sure especially on the next willow.
@larrycumminga9502
@larrycumminga9502 2 жыл бұрын
Thank YOU THAT IS SOME THING YOU MIGHT OVER LOOK... IN THE HEAT OF THE NEAR END OF A FRIDAY WORK DAY. THANK TO THE ORIGNAL SENDER.
@jakeallen487
@jakeallen487 2 жыл бұрын
The improved jump cut and a coos bay cut with kerf cuts come to mind but at the end of the day glad he's ok and usually is the case ,Small cuts small problems .also might have a been a safer bet making the cut at the trunk as well depends on the situation
@brettblack7049
@brettblack7049 2 жыл бұрын
What's the improved jump cut, familiar with everything else you said. Thanks.
@shawnagullett8770
@shawnagullett8770 2 жыл бұрын
Love your content. It would be cool to see more safety reviews. Let's people know what can happen even to experienced climbers. Great job keep up the good work. 👍
@jimmydupres1847
@jimmydupres1847 2 жыл бұрын
Saw this on Instagram too, it happened to me once, it was a miracle for me, my lanyard broke which was brand new, was totally in shock, what I've learned from now on I do side cut every time I'm in this scenario, thanks for sharing, stay safe
@kurthoffmann9072
@kurthoffmann9072 Жыл бұрын
Yeah great idea. I'm learning a lot. Thanks and keep up the good work
@frankbrowning6303
@frankbrowning6303 2 жыл бұрын
Good advice. Be safe.
@StinkyPete69
@StinkyPete69 2 жыл бұрын
This is a tough industry, always got to be on your toes. No matter how many times you made a certain kind of cut and it worked out, just got to remember not every tree will react the same way as the last. Glad to see he's alright, maybe he'll pick up the mind set I go by " when in doubt, rope it out". Blowing out leads is faster but those extra couple minutes to set a rigging line reduces that hazard risk quite a bit.
@johngoodwin5672
@johngoodwin5672 2 жыл бұрын
Really liked this video very helpful thanks jake !
@shadowscape6290
@shadowscape6290 2 жыл бұрын
Once the limb started to fall it had inertia going for it. That undercut of a bar width hurt the situation more than helped as it quickly closed and put pressure from the falling limb on the lower wood of the limb. It almost had to barber chair at that point. It would have been safer, although not much, to have not undercut it at all. A reasonable notch would have been the best for that situation, and like you said, not to have been tied into the limb. I am a firm believer in zip ties in my flip line where the possibilities of something going wrong could happen. I gave up on accessory carabiners when I was hit in the neck with a piece of broken aluminum and bled like a stuck pig. Thanks for posting this, Jake. More videos of mistakes are needed. There is a lot more to learn from them than happy vids.
@tylerpierce8431
@tylerpierce8431 2 жыл бұрын
Great idea with the zip ties. It’s important to remind people that what we are talking about is using a zip tie (or accessory carabiner) as the weak link in the lanyard, which in this situation is only being used for work positioning-NOT life line. One would also have to be tied in to a climbing line.
@patiofarmer9509
@patiofarmer9509 2 жыл бұрын
Thank God for your quick thinking Matt and that you're okay. Was thinking a small rigging strap girth hitched around the branch beneath your feet and closed with a carabiner would also help to prevent splitting like this.
@patrickmcintyre5917
@patrickmcintyre5917 2 жыл бұрын
Glad Matt is alright💪💪 I always make a full pie when I've got a ton of weight on a hard lateral lead. I had a hollow in a plains cottonwood do something very similar. I saw the hollow in the top of the stem not knowing it extended another foot out, my pie was a blind cut that didn't reveal the cavity but my back cut sure found it in this 6inch lead. I barley tapped the back and it ripped me back to the visible hollow before the rig line took it. Scraped the hell out of my arms and chest and agree with Jacob here..sometimes it's safer without the buckstrap. Climb tuff💪💪🪵🪵 stay safe.
@Daniel_4.27
@Daniel_4.27 2 жыл бұрын
Def would like to see more of this type of content it's nice to have a video and open forum for discussion
@osagejon8972
@osagejon8972 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt and Jacob. I had a pretty similar experience years ago so I try to do as you said with a small ratchet strap or tying it bellow my cut or getting farther out. The REAL reality TV is right here and other channels. So many think it’s just making cuts and it goes easy but not always.
@johnnyguzman2131
@johnnyguzman2131 2 жыл бұрын
I love that accessory carabiner trick ! Breaks when something like this were to happen but able to get in Position. - #1 is safety , thank you for the video
@kevinhammatgameoftrees7080
@kevinhammatgameoftrees7080 2 жыл бұрын
Three years ago I had this happen on a frozen walnut with a 20 inch diameter limb, could’ve crushed me and it broke free after pulling my chest into the backside of the limb. Right behind me was an alternative lanyard position. I knew these things…and yet…
@brettblack7049
@brettblack7049 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes we make the wrong move, other times it's just a lack of experience, either one can kill just the same, thank God for his mercy.
@pjsites1985
@pjsites1985 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes it's hard to even get a decent notch or undercut without getting your saw stuck on long vertical or top cuts. Like you said smaller is safer sometimes
@wilhelmsteinert4733
@wilhelmsteinert4733 2 жыл бұрын
Reaction time was about 7 seconds. That is pretty quick if you ask me. Well done and I'm glad he's ok
@chrishoward1509
@chrishoward1509 2 жыл бұрын
This is a very very good point to bring up. Me and a friend where in separate tree's and he was a newer climber. It was a sugar maple in Missouri. And just like the video it was leaning hard but much bigger. I told him that on any limb like that to undercut above his flip line. Which he did but barley past the bark. And it split and almost killed him. Because his buckstrap or lanyard pulled him into the limb and the other part was trying to pull away. My personal opinion is that your idea about the lil cheep carabineer in incorporated into your buckstrap. Could save live's!! If climber's where aware of the danger. And made sure they took that carabineer out of there system as soon as that was not a possibility to the best of there ability. I know to many people that get into to big of a hurry to even consider thing's. I wish they would. But anyhow Good Good video my friend.
@sampa_rorottv6445
@sampa_rorottv6445 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for giving us your subscribers ideas to have a safer workplace.
@losttwo704
@losttwo704 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. Lessons learned and knowledge sharing beats any check the block mandatory OSHA safety meeting. I had a barber chair incident twenty years ago and a calcified hepatoma in my upper right arm to remind me. Great feedback and content.
@Benssawmill
@Benssawmill 2 жыл бұрын
Good conversation and video. Something worth thinking about.
@msTECH86
@msTECH86 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video and valuable tips. After your involvement with this material, you can see how much it means to you. Greetings from Poland 🇵🇱🙂
@ClimberinChrist
@ClimberinChrist 2 жыл бұрын
Oh boy. Something that can really happen to any climber. Your idea of a light duty Carabiner that will break away is extremely wise. I’m gonna take that to the bank
@jaythe306snowmexican
@jaythe306snowmexican 2 жыл бұрын
poplar and willow are always sketchy when limbing. I've had so many close calls with them. they are definitely my least favorite trees to cut down. glad Matt is OK that could have been alot worse. I don't use my flip line or lanyard on those trees anymore just my climbing line. thanks for sharing this Jake it will help guys out to do work safer.
@brettblack7049
@brettblack7049 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, much like one handing a saw, many times it's a matter of counting the cost/risk analysis either way. While we have certain "rules" we abide by, it's important that we understand why they are there and "what will happen when I cut this". Be safe.
@the.original.throwback
@the.original.throwback 2 жыл бұрын
I had the same kind of split happen to me when I was about 14 and cut a Silver Maple 12 inch diameter limb leaning heavily away from the trunk. I was about 6 feet up from the crotch with my scare strap around the limb using a bow saw. I thought the undercut was sufficient but found out otherwise when the limb broke and split through my belt. I will never forget the unrelenting pressure trying to force me through solid maple wood and it certainly would have crushed my spine and organs if the split end hadn't finally rotated out of my strap. It took a good half hour before I could move and finally inch down the trunk and into the house, knowing that I had just survived a very close call and was extremely lucky to have not been permanently injured. Jess
@brettblack7049
@brettblack7049 2 жыл бұрын
We've all had scares, but when you're in it like that it raises the level of scare to a new height. Praise God you're fine 🙂
@pwaterdu
@pwaterdu 2 жыл бұрын
So glad you brought attention to this subject..watched with trepidation while you did the cottenwood thing..new guys take heavy note plz!
@patrickwhalen4781
@patrickwhalen4781 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely like lessons learned videos. Trying not to get hurt is the goal!
@aubreyferris6546
@aubreyferris6546 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Jacob- thanks for the video, very informative. Have you thought about making a “part 2” or companion video to the worlds greatest felling tutorial? I thought it was great and would love to see more. Maybe more advanced techniques or more complex situations? Thanks a ton for the great videos!!! My whole family loves them!!!
@darrelljohnson4658
@darrelljohnson4658 2 жыл бұрын
Good job Trees-R-Us Oregon
@johnnovak8734
@johnnovak8734 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting and I would like to see more safety reviews too. I live in Maine and fell and buck trees on my land for firewood (am not an arborist). But, I find this video, and your other videos and tips, to be relevant and helpful. Thanks again. -John
@DrZergling
@DrZergling 2 жыл бұрын
If there is so much tention you have to do the undercut much bigger. In order to prevent getting the saw stuck you have to do bit by bit. Then only doing the backcut.
@tommytwozits
@tommytwozits 2 жыл бұрын
It might be an idea to make an undercut in the limb then put a shallow side cut on both sides then backcut it. That way the hinge doesn't reach all the way across so its not strong enough to barberchair
@ratfarmers
@ratfarmers 2 жыл бұрын
Holy crap! I'll keep my feet on the ground and keep living vicariously thru you and your videos! I like the idea of you doing some more tips and training videos. Oh and you should post mention of new videos and new merch on that patreon thing. *wink*
@BPeterson730
@BPeterson730 2 жыл бұрын
Looking at it from my perspective it seems like if Matt would have tried cutting the first cut a little deeper just before feeling the wood pinching then going for his final step cut it might have snapped off quicker with that 201tc. Might have lessened the tension better and not held on to the point it barbered. We all have been there before and sometimes just try to hurry a cut due to body being strained to the point you just want it done quick so you can catch your breath. I really like how the fight or flight kicked in suddenly and he cut the hanger off before more harm could have happened. He is a good climber and that showed..thanks for the video again Jacob and glad Matt lives to keep trimming.
@melandaverywilliams3288
@melandaverywilliams3288 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for that knowledge! I have a big oak that I have to cut over power lines, the limbs are LONG and big. I’ll keep that in mind
@sawbandits
@sawbandits 2 жыл бұрын
Cool vid Jake respect from Ireland 🇨🇮
@johnscustomsaws
@johnscustomsaws 2 жыл бұрын
I got a ton of respect for you guys... living on the edge... literally... its good to talk about this stuff... people want to let their ego get in the way of a lesson to be learned... even if there really is no definitive answer to that situation... gives people something to think about... just to be clear I do NOT climb... I just wrench on the saws 💯 you need to do more of these videos Guilty ... that was well done and even i was interested 👏👏👏
@GuiltyofTreeson
@GuiltyofTreeson 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks John! Watch my last video bro I was cutting huge pieces with the Limb Reaper 😎
@shaunostrander1474
@shaunostrander1474 2 жыл бұрын
Great topic and information! Always a concern when sending heavy, horizontal, straight grain wood! I have had similar experiences and my fix....which is slower but safer....is to shave away the compression wood while leaving the tension wood intact. Same concept as dealing with a spring pole essentially. The tension wood has the ability to hold much better and break instead of splitting....but I definitely always try to cut beyond a union and utilize those fibers to curb splitting/peeling possibility and length.
@steelonius
@steelonius 2 жыл бұрын
Shave away? Does that mean you make a series of undercuts side by side and then go for the tension after a handful of cuts?
@robertwilmesherr7002
@robertwilmesherr7002 2 жыл бұрын
Even as good as you guys are, stuff happens. This is good info on the physics of trees thanks.
@gratefultree7368
@gratefultree7368 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting. Yes to more safety videos. I would use a face cut on the bottom and kerf cuts on a limb like that. It’s hard to get a deep enough undercut when the wood is under such intense compression.
@andrewhamm2800
@andrewhamm2800 2 жыл бұрын
Willows are notorious for splitting like that. I had it happen to me, and saw my dad get stuck in a tree like that years ago too. Sketchy, thanks for educating people on this. Stay safe everyone!!🌲🐒
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