In this video, we look at Vegeta in Dragon Ball Z. Credit Thumbnail - Woodland Buckle on Deviant Art Music - HalusaTwin, MajinBlue and Retro Ranter on KZfaq
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@redbearington334510 ай бұрын
I do find it funny that Toriyama's favorite is Piccolo, but he gets shit on the most, and his least favorite is Vegeta, but he's by far the best written character in the series
@RyougiVector10 ай бұрын
Toriyama clearly keeps all the spicy Piccolo AUs for himself
@Wizkidd2399 ай бұрын
Bro piccolo is literally a god rn
@shane10679 ай бұрын
@@Wizkidd239 very exciting for future super arcs. i mean the gammas were considered very strong and orange tanked the hit like absolutely nothing, love it
@geigercourtier9 ай бұрын
@@Wizkidd239Piccolo has had it a long time coming. Strength wise , a Namekian will never rack in enough sales to justify more than a momentary advantage over Saiyans. Character wise, Vegeta is by far the most captivating and relatable. Being god tier is kind of common, is SS Broly a god? Is every individual who took a hit from SSB a god? No. Is it because Shenon gave him a tip for good service? Nah. But let’s pay respect to the fact they’ve never fought and how funny that would be to listen to Chris Sabat
@travesty-studios9 ай бұрын
It shows that Akira has never had a good grasp on the series he created that is so dearly loved.
@ryszakowy10 ай бұрын
when vegeta said "he must die by saiyan hands" he didn't knew that his son would kill frieza
@Lharris9410 ай бұрын
You have a deep understanding of the franchise as a whole. As a 30 year old super fan, I appreciate your deep dives into the series.
@carson212119 ай бұрын
This sums up my feelings as well. Very good stuff here.
@carlitolovely2 күн бұрын
I agree 100%
@chaseandcartischannel713110 ай бұрын
But Vegeta, with the mustache is the greatest of all time
@PacmanLickThisGuysAs10 ай бұрын
"I shaved my moostache you idiot!"
@SarcasmicOverlord10 ай бұрын
I disagree
@r.e.z942810 ай бұрын
I agree, bruh would have looked so damn clean with SSJ4.
@emekao5029 ай бұрын
@@r.e.z9428 lol mustache hair going super sayain also 😂
@BeautifulBeansCheese8 ай бұрын
Facts
@ivanbluecool10 ай бұрын
Basically one of the pioneers of the reverse power creep. Goku had to throw literally everything at Vegeta and it still wasn't enough needing help. That's when a bad guy is at their best when you know they will lose but it won't be as simple as a last second lucky hit Heck if Vegeta didn't let his ego get the better of him. Him and nappa would have beat everyone before Goku got there and then tag team him and boom series ends.
@vixenxia247510 ай бұрын
its funnier when you think about how Goku exhausted himself with the kioken after their beam struggle, meaning if Vegeta didn't lose his shit and cut his power in half with the artifical moon technique. He would have murdered goku and had no trouble against Gohan and Krillin.
@ivanbluecool10 ай бұрын
@@vixenxia2475Vegeta sis let his pride get to his head. If he was a bit more level headed him nappa and saibamen could clean up everything before Goku came over
@jaded923422 күн бұрын
That's the thing with Vegeta. When his head is clear (Once a decade), he's got perhaps the highest battle IQ in the series, which fits quite well alongside Bulma's techy streak. I mean, he could be the author of "The Art of War (In Space)" if his damn need to be dominant wasn't so ingrained. Had Goku's head trauma not occurred, Vegeta's Frieza-induced inferiority-phobia would have him as the most warped by a mile.
@connergaskell190910 ай бұрын
Vegeta in the buu saga was his best character development but overall vegeta had some of the best development out there
@cyberdemon651710 ай бұрын
and then theres gt which extends that even further
@MajinAsuraPath10 ай бұрын
Yes Vegeta was late to Trunks' life. But by Saiyan standards, that's pretty good. Saiyans didn't raise their children at all back on Planet Vegeta.
@shiningarmour680510 ай бұрын
None of the Saiyans cared about their race, they cared about the *pride* of the race. This is a plot point hammered in since the beginning of Z, it was alien for a Saiyan to develop the concept of a "Friend" Goku was the oddball out, that's why losing a best friend was such a devastating experience.
@barretthebullyvii87349 ай бұрын
I'd like to add, I think Vegeta had a bit of respect for Gohan and Krillian by Namek, 1st for the amazing fight they gave him and 2nd that they were brave enough to go to Namek....plus I think he low key wanted them to witness him obtaining immortality.
@michaelcarroll580110 ай бұрын
Beautiful essay. I love Vegeta's development through DBZ
@tatsukinomiya10 ай бұрын
The Saiyan Ego is the main nerf that keeps Vegeta from being broken
@Shane_Clarke10 ай бұрын
There's no such thing as cheating in a life or death fight. Use what you know to win. The result is the most important thing.
@diegolopez43399 ай бұрын
kicking your opponent in the balls is indeed cheating i rather die then win in such an unhonorable way
@drunkennephilim299510 ай бұрын
I dont think Trunks' super saiyan was weaker than Vegeta or Gokus, he just doesnt have the same combat instincts or experience they do as a result hes not weaker just unrefined and as such would be more exploitable.
@dustinherberman383710 ай бұрын
I wonder if Goku saw the potential in Gohan for SSJ2 and THEN realized the best way to not get over run with anger, inorder to ascend, was to completly control SSJ
@DeRussellMasina9 ай бұрын
Probably saw the pathway in himself. On Namek against Frieza. He essentially accidentally unlocked Super Saiyan, only discovered it when Vegeta was dying & cried for him to avenge the race. Krillins death is what drove him MAD! The lsot & pain created an anger & rage that Goku never could have discovered on his own.
@hemlo74949 ай бұрын
This presentation is very well thought out.
@S.A.MTheMan9 ай бұрын
If Vegeta had Goku’s mindset, he would progress so fast, Goku would get left in the dust so fast
@user-zx6kr8ql3h2 ай бұрын
If you think about the Moro arc when Goku said that Vegeta learned something he could not or the fact Vegeta lasted longer his first time then Goku in the time chamber
@diallo134710 ай бұрын
Great video. One small correction: Goku and Gohan learned to maintain SSJ even while alseep. At least in the anime. Goku falls asleep while fishing with Krillian and Gohan and Krillian remarks how Goku remains SSJ even while sleeping. To test this, he chucks a rock at the sleeping Goku and Goku gets hit and is confused why Krillian woke him with a rock.
@sonicthomasgamer10 ай бұрын
In the future timeline, I’m surprised Gohan and Trunks never trained with Master Roshi
@sonicszuetomyt544810 ай бұрын
I think androids searched for Goku and this was like the 1st place to look for him
@Demigod_3scrub10 ай бұрын
The artwork that you used for this video really takes me back to days of middle school and high school where we carried around 3 ring binders full of DBZ and GT pictures.. I would go to my school's library room and go ham on the computers! Printing out pictures.. Until there was no more colored ink left 😂😂😂😂
@jamilahrazzaq87808 ай бұрын
Awww nice! I'm so glad I wasn't the only one. 😂 I had dbz and tekken pics in a binder lol.
@Maho394210 ай бұрын
Remember when super saiyan meant something? I miss those days...
@Chud_Bud2 күн бұрын
I swear, they could easily get around the 'too many super saiyans' thing by simply adding into the story that there's something unique about Earth's atmosphere that makes it incredibly easy to reach new levels of power. It would explain the number of Super Saiyans (and Super Namekian), and it would give another reason for more powerful entities to target Earth.
@jaded923422 күн бұрын
I still want a mini-series of Vegeta, with 17 and 18 where they do random cool sh!T and be constant snark-factories to everyone around them.
@beastdude50710 ай бұрын
Vegeta was always cold prior to Dragon Ball, just like any other Saiyan. Manga and sub states he just hated how the Saiyans were used and betrayed by Freeza.
@mmahead8 ай бұрын
Fantastic Video!🔥 Keep up the great work. I really enjoy your content!👍
@jonathandoe231610 ай бұрын
Damn good video scholar not even 5 minutes in. People Always talk shit about Vegeta crying when Frieza killed him. You explained it exactly how I see it as it is. Vegeta after a literal lifetime of holding back any and all decent emotion. Even the fuckin genocide of his people. His spirit died totally I would've cried too that fight meant so much. The pride of an entire race along with all the countless other victims. Including the ones he created he routinely described Frieza as a monster.
@austinballard38188 ай бұрын
Dude I love this... vegeta is the best kost relatable most inspiring character ever.. make more vegeta videos..
@MandosCulture9 ай бұрын
Vegeta has the greatest character arc in all of Z
@jackcawley84709 ай бұрын
Great video 👍
@Ma1n0339 ай бұрын
I would have loved to see Vegeta training during the time skip actually thinking about Gohan in SSJ2 form with that dark smile walking down CELL. Would have been amazing to see.
@omegahtv67792 ай бұрын
Great descript of Vegeta 👍🏿
@aleksandrvoronin92559 ай бұрын
Awesome video bro!!! Vegeta is the reason i watch dragon ball
@NPRoyalty10 ай бұрын
How do you keep uploading banger after banger??? Awesome vid as always!
@pkyamaha179 ай бұрын
They did vegeta so dirty at the end of ressurection f.
@JohnSmith-cb9hb10 ай бұрын
This was a battle, not a sparing match. There is no such thing as cheating
@inyourgranmaass36059 ай бұрын
Is cheating because goku died got to come back from the dead was taught a secret technique by the gods it wasn't natural to a saiyan vegeta used the tools he was born with his own strength
@kendrajade66886 ай бұрын
@@inyourgranmaass3605 Show me the rulebook
@kotormaster197510 ай бұрын
vegeta knew that he would need to be strong just incase he was needed not to mention he knew gohan was getting to used to the peaceful times so he would have to pick up the slack no thought that goku was coming back he didnt know atall on this he wanted to truely test his power and to see what his strength was at him going to the tourny was purely to test his power and see what he could really do he was hoping gohan was gunna be in it and was hoping he hadnt gotten too soft plus he's a saiyan of royal blood good chance his royal blood compelled him to train so hard just to make sure he was the strongest altogether plus he wants to be strong to protect bulma and trunks the same reason gohan got back into training to protect videl and pan
@gerardocont0310 ай бұрын
The background music reminds me of the gba game DBZ: Legacy of Goku 2. I used to spend hours playing that game as a kid all the way to unlocking Hercule for the alternate ending.
@Lauren_C4 ай бұрын
One massive tidbit that showcases who Vegeta really was, is during his sacrifice against Majin Buu. He knew full well that we would be subjected to hell, eternal damnation, yet still pressed forward anyway. He willingly damned his own soul, in an effort to save what he cared about. That, right there, sealed his fate as a good guy.
@Chud_Bud2 күн бұрын
My favorite Vegeta is GT mustache dad Vegeta. It just feels right that he'd end up like that.
@brianrosado233310 ай бұрын
Ive been saying for year that vegeta lost due to not being able to sense ki… thank u for saying this !!!
@mikael55710 ай бұрын
"Cheat-code Kaioken spammer" has earned this man the like and the sub. Keep up the good work 🤣👍 (P.S.) Ngl I teared up a little when he explained why Vegeta blew himself up against Buu. Great analysis!
@miguelanderson41167 ай бұрын
I think Vegeta in the buu saga was little more relax but he might of had ptsd of trunks death maybe that's also a reason he went majin to rid of the guilt he had to trunk's death
@sonicszuetomyt544810 ай бұрын
Yeah, Z Vegeta is peak because they did him dirty in Super.
@jamelleartis917210 ай бұрын
Thanks For Talking On, The Saiyan Prince Vegeta Like Always Saiyan Scholar He Started As Saiyan Space Pirate Conquered By, Frieza's Mentally &, Ambition To Beat Anyone To, Develop Changes By, Goku Bulma, &, Future Trunks Vegeta Being, Rival / Friend, Lover, &, Father Towards The People That Love Him The Most Vegeta Role Models Would Be, Bardock &, Tien Because They Are Courageous & Got Pride As Warriors
@alvarez3329 ай бұрын
You know man is a Vegeta stan when he doesnt evenacknowledges the Semi-Perfect incident
@jamilahrazzaq87808 ай бұрын
Hmmm I thought the events of Geets taking his fam to the park was 6 months after the end of Buu saga?🤔
@thomasjcarwile91433 ай бұрын
Bulma show vegeta a little more than just kindness 😉
@travesty-studios9 ай бұрын
I just came here to say Vegeta is Widows Peak
@Khader10939 ай бұрын
As much as gokus character in super being watered down. Vegeta on the other hand has the best character developement from prideful prince to a proud father and shows proud king qulities meeting his race from universe 6 . Vegeta's perfect ending is going to universe 6 and living as the king that he was destinated.
@bbb42289 ай бұрын
This title is like saying “Star Wars is peak Luke Skywalker”
@minirock48588 ай бұрын
Vegeta sparing Bulma and Krillin on Namek might actually come from place other than getting even for having been spared. Remember that at this point of the story, Frieza and his henchemen are scouting the planet to find high energy sources in order to spot Namekian villages to find the dragon balls. Knowing this, and knowing that Vegeta actually is a good strategist (as long as he's not in a fit of ego-related rage), he knew he had to keep it low to get under Frieza's radar. So I think that Vegeta spared Krillin and Bulma because it would have been a dangerous move in that situation just to get rid of foes that didn't represent any threat to him.
@cons1stencys40010 ай бұрын
DBS takes place 6 months after the buu saga it was retconned from the battle of gods movie so that way super would fit the timeline correctly and finish before the end of Z
@great15910 ай бұрын
Kaio Ken is NOT a cheat code. It's uniting MIND AND BODY AS ONE TO BECOME STRONGER/FASTER , NATURAL. SSJ is NATURAL and not a cheat code. Cheating started with Vegeta going Majin💯
@joeykornegay458710 ай бұрын
Saiyan Scholar, would you do fellow dragon ball fans the favor of offering your opinion on the strength of Dragon Ball Heroes’ SSJ4 Gogeta Limit Breaker and LSSJ4 Limit Breaker Broly?
@cleebe8239 ай бұрын
"Dragon Ball Z Vegeta is PEAK" ... Widow's PEAK! sorry, had too.
@zineprixmenu437310 ай бұрын
I thought gt vegeta was peak ?
@SaiyanScholar10 ай бұрын
Two mountains. Two peaks.
@sorcerousbeast87403 ай бұрын
I think what many people have not interpreted correctly, or automatically assume, is they assume Oozaru is 10 times “ Base Form” I know I know, I hate the word too. I make an effort to say ‘Normal Form’ every time. This is not true. Oozaru is a saiyans power amplified 10 fold. It doesn’t matter if it’s a saiyan that can’t use Super Saiyan, or a saiyan that CAN. Vegetas statement specifically said that the Great Ape increases a saiyans power 10 fold. That is not…HE is not specifying that to “baaaase form” If we look at GT, this is the ONLY example we are ever given, ever, in anime, to derive any information from. And, Omega Shenron dodged his mouth blast. Whether that’s just gonna be chocked down to inconsistent or poor writing or not making sense, well to me that is SS2 Vegeta, times 10. Which is more than a SS3 Vegeta. And he dodged that mouth blast. Then Kakarot is acting like Vegeta is scary and a threat, and is grabbed and is being harmed by the ahha ‘fake squeezing’ while Vegeta is acting. Or so he claimed. Maybe he wasn’t acting, maybe it took him that long to regain control, but his prior experience with Bebi Vegeta and never mind in Saiyan Saga, makes it seem likely he was acting. Oozaru would be weaker than SS Vegeta otherwise. So it actually makes more sense that this was SS2 Vegeta times 10. Before going Golden, then before ascending to SS4. I don’t know if you’ve covered this in other videos, or if you’re about to say it further into the video, but… SS4 Vegeta: At long last, I've ascended.
@deletoblue143610 ай бұрын
I thought gt vegeta was peak
@lkcuupa10 ай бұрын
No he was a peek
@SaiyanScholar10 ай бұрын
He's above peak. The heavenly clouds above the mountain top.
@deletoblue143610 ай бұрын
@@SaiyanScholar ahh ok makes sense
@ferrucciocaracciuolo813910 ай бұрын
"Perfect"
@shaneknight148910 ай бұрын
Let’s not forget that in the Saiyan Saga, Piccolo contributed to the Z fighters’ war against Nappa and Vegeta by destroying the moon earlier on, forcing Vegeta to resort to the artificial moon to weaken his base power level in return for a 10 times power multiplier
@louis-stephane139110 ай бұрын
Why do people refer to Kaiken as cheat code ?
@vowish53199 ай бұрын
Dang brother i love vegeta but you did our boy goku dirty in the saiyan saga xD
@plastickkerorolm488910 ай бұрын
Why doesn't vegeta get as strong as goku and gohan? Because vegeta trained to get stronger the goku and cell. While goku and gohan trained to surpass their limits. That's what made goku a genius at martial arts, he didn't let pride tell him when to stop.
@miguelanderson41165 ай бұрын
I think majin Vegeta and Goku is representation of Vegeta fighting his old evil self goku is supposed to the current Vegeta and majin Vegeta is his old self and Vegeta mentioned how goku stole his honor i think that's old Vegeta talking about how he stole his pride and the old self version its like the old Vegeta is trying to restore himself and rid himself of emotions and he also views goku as himself
@THExROYSTER9 ай бұрын
Crazy how Toriyama's least favorite character is the only one with an arc.
@cody3504Ай бұрын
Trunk’s literally learned from his mentor Gohan in the future not from Vegeta
@BigVEE10 ай бұрын
>peak Widow's peak. The peak of arch-rivals. Dude is UNDEFEATED against both (BOTH) MC's. He is truly not a rival, but a NEMESIS.
@pff19744 ай бұрын
Rip Toriyama
@lilblanco731810 ай бұрын
Goku vs vegeta in the saiyan saga is top 10 anime fights ever
@saulschimek768010 ай бұрын
Yes, he is the Prince of all Widows Peaks
@Clash_78110 ай бұрын
Pain is not what you know, pain is what you refuse to accept.
@spikezilla5410 ай бұрын
How was he able to survive in space
@AnAnonymousObject8 ай бұрын
Gohan and goku are stronger in their saiyan, because they trained together better. Trunks and vegeta were still practically strangers.
@sakazakijin10 ай бұрын
A lot of your presumptions are drawn from the (godawful) first Funimation dub and filler. Vegeta's tears stem from him having lost the will to fight due to 1) him not being a super Saiyan and 2) the monumental difference in power between Freeza and himself. It's spelled out quite plainly in the manga. And that speech in the first dub is extremely inaccurate. He made no excuses about "why he was so evil" or whatever, and thank God for that. Had he actually been crying about Freeza making him that way he'd have no hope for redemption. Vegeta didn't attack Cell out of frustration, it was rage. Trunks was killed before his eyes. No more, no less. A justified rage, but rage nonetheless. It was even selfish in a sense as he declared that only he could kill Cell. His first truly selfless act was exploding vs Buu in an attempt to clean up his mess. Yes yes, Goku shares some blame for indulging Vegeta but the largest portion of said blame rests solely on Vegeta's shoulders. Z Vegeta peaked on Namek. He was awful until Dragonball Super.
@user-vp8qq3bn4l10 ай бұрын
Vegeta their was their for Trunks first 8 in da Buu saga Vegeta was training according to Bulma .the super EP 2 was for Vegeta if you weren't paying attention bcos Goku had EP1 N Buu saga Vegeta was married to Bulma n lived in da same house n Vegeta was different from the cell saga bcos they were a happy family they n also Japanese culture they don't hug like dat
@davidlowery22946 ай бұрын
I used to get so annoyed when people said goku beat vegeta I always said no the good guys beat vegeta goku was done yeah he may have lost because of goku but it wasn't goku alone 1on1 vegeta stomped goku. Also I think if vegeta and goku fought before 19 and 20 and no heart virus I think vegeta would be stronger I feel like vegetas base would have been have been a little stronger due to training under 400 ×earth's gravity for so long.
@divinepekora589610 ай бұрын
Vegeta is my favorite character tbh
@sanchezzz694209 ай бұрын
i never looked at Vegeta like this. it is so obvious now. 😂
@Rubijoyal10 ай бұрын
Hell, not even Vegeta training with Future Trunks, what if Piccolo took the time to train Future Trunks in the Room of Spirt and time instead of going in with with Vegeta? Vegeta would most likely end up more or less the same strength while Future Trunks with Piccolo's help might have mastered Super Saiyan and Piccolo would have been far stronger as well
@TheChildProblem9 ай бұрын
The only peak Vegeta is is a widows. Her name in Bulmas
@SansINess5310 ай бұрын
Mustache vegeta is the best vegeta he became a good man you should check it out.
@OMAR-vk9pi10 ай бұрын
Especially buu saga
@dracobaby98 ай бұрын
Goku is breathing cause PLOT
@cloudyfoam10 ай бұрын
While Vegeta may be annoying when he achieved Super Saiyan, but in Dragon Ball Z Vegeta is HIM.
@mistahrnscuttah41209 ай бұрын
If vegeta took everyone out instead of waiting he would have won
@ImTheStrongest10 ай бұрын
Vegeta only cares for the Saiyan race when they are strong. If they are weak, Vegeta doesn't give a shit about them. Vegeta didn't give a shit when Planet Vegeta was destroy and most of the Saiyan were killed. He only gave a shit because learn it was Frieza who did it because he hates Frieza. He didn't even give a shit about Raditz. He didn't give shit about Nappa and killed him. He didn't give a shit about Goku until he got his ass whooped on Earth. He didn't even give a shit about his little brother Tarble until he changed his way on Earth. Vegeta has only show interest in a Sayan when he/she is really strong beyond normal.
@wesley34478 ай бұрын
Pride is also i lie. When you are stating you are proud to be (blank) its usually because (blank) portrayed in a bad light. Its purely a defensive statement. Nobody sane states they are proud of (blank) unprovoked. The fact Vegeta states he is proud of his bloodline unprovoked all the time shows to me just how much the death of his people truly broke his view of himself.
@azimuddin189010 ай бұрын
I’ll come back later, 13:10.
@Hype1774879 ай бұрын
Vegeta is our guy no matter what!
@Nothings_Shore9 ай бұрын
You mean Vegeta has a peak, a busted ass widows peak😂
@rubenred97879 ай бұрын
mc widows peak
@cvig10759 ай бұрын
super manga vegeta is the goat
@edwardconner333510 ай бұрын
Don't forget his father raised Vegeta to be a weapon against Frieza & the king of all Saiyans. I believe he was afraid of what he might do to Trunks best case scenario because of the kind of monster he had to become in order to survive in the Frieza Force, so I really don't think it's fare to judge him be human standards. Paragus & king Vegeta are hilariously bad fathers by human standards but we really don't know that much about the universe 7 Saiyans culture besides the fact that they were planet killers who sold the remains for a profit because they are dead and gone in virtually every timeline we see even(I haven't seen,read, or played all of the dragon ball content just a lot of it) in videogames. The mere fact that he could change as much as he did in GT is proof of his love for his family. I've struggled with many problems that make me wholly unfit to live with others over my life and sure their nowhere near as extreme as Vegeta's problems but I'm pushing 30 now and I still have a very long way to go. So I'd say that changing yourself that dramatically in less than 40 years is a pretty goddamned impressive feat.
@mohamedusa5669 ай бұрын
For me vegeta is the main character of dragon ball and he should defeat freiza
@dsmith50989 ай бұрын
Vegeta could never be the main character kakarot>Vegeta the man is literally a walking L he got more L’s than yamcha
@TJK109 ай бұрын
Not as peak his hairline, if you know what I mean.
@DeMarDeRozan-qn7mh10 ай бұрын
Super Vegeta> Z Vegeta
@lkcuupa10 ай бұрын
Dam right
@ferrucciocaracciuolo813910 ай бұрын
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@ExtremelyOnlineGuy9 ай бұрын
Nah dude. GT was him at his best.
@SpiderMan-rh9lc9 ай бұрын
ja
@reddroid849910 ай бұрын
Vegeta did cheat with oozaru using some technique to force the change rather than naturally with a moon with a 10x boost with no negatives while kaioken was a double edge sword.
@SaiyanScholar10 ай бұрын
The ball was his own power. Stop it.
@reddroid849910 ай бұрын
@@SaiyanScholar His own power? Like the ki spam attack? It was learned and it gave an unfair advantage even more so than kaioken. 10x no backlash