When did Cane play 100 tests? Did I miss something?

@@classicMrE Yes just yesterday reports were his career maybe be left on just 95 test

it's no qurantee that Razor will him in the squad because he hasn't played since January and will be sidelined for at least until another 2 months. Also Razor have plenty of quality loosies to pick from the Blues Canes and the Cheifs and the the ABs need to give new players enough game time to reach test level standards for the RWC 2027

I agree he doesn't get the respect he deserves... 👏 Sam's a champion and a role model 👏 big thanks 2 that man 🫡

He not getting a 100 cause he ain’t getting back in

Aye.

Not just Sam Cane. Anyone playing flyhalf also seems to receive so much criticism for being good to maybe very good, but not greatest like Dan Carter. Suppose it's the gift and the curse for playing so close after the greatest players of all time. Replacing McCaw, Carter, Read & Whitelock etc. will not be easy considering they were once in a century type players..

Agreed! With Jacobson on the bench with Lakai

Its Razor trying everything to get him back...

And he's why we lost the final

I remember when Rene Ranger had that stand out season and promptly went overseas.... such a shame, he was a machine.

@@mikescudder4621 yeah I remember that as well, he was electric to watch.

Says a lot about Scott Robertson and I really hope it works because I wouldn't say Ritchie Mo'unga is THAT good

TBH it’s probably mostly Scott Robertson who trying to pull some strings to get Mounga back, as much of a great coach he is, he’s probably really biased toward his crusader players and wants his star playmaker back, he needs to get over it focus on the players here in NZ, we have equally talented players in Barrett and McKenzie.

It's because he's good and has experience. Razor knows this better than anyone.

totally agree the same goes for Sam Cane Razor have enough talent on form to pick from this panel is so one eyed and biase with their views. He was the worst ABs captain ever

Should be Roigard-Barrett for rwc27

Carlos Spencer was an erratic average player. He could carry carters jock in a paper bag.

lol Carlos reigning supreme 😂😂😂

Spencer was NZs, Quade Copper

@@Jusnzl That's capitalism and the free market, baby.

We have Tongans and Fijians playing for us that wouldn't qualify for the ABs if WR had the same rules as FIFA. We should select the best KIWIS, regardless of where they play. It happens in every other sport. Name a top football nation that has all their players in their domestic comp.

Why change the rules for Mounga he's no Carter.

Aye

Exactly he's played his part Damien McKenzie will do the job fantastically

True i personally think he's overrated.

Then why did NZ teams consistently beat SA teams when they were in super rugby?

@@tattmoon1 If you where referring to the 2016-2018 time period first of all everybody other NZ teams included lost to the crusaders constantly if that team doesn’t exist the lions probably win at least two super rugby titles and secondly New Zealand teams didn’t consistently beat the sharks and lions I feel I don’t really have to explain the lions and as for the sharks they would literally beat kiwi teams and then lose to Aussie teams the next week that shows you that talent wasn’t the problem consistency was and consistency has nothing to do with players playing overseas or in country

⁠​⁠​⁠@@user-dv1nm6ty8d from 1996 to 2019 when SA teams were in Super Rugby there was a NZ team in the final 21 of the 24 years with a NZ team winning 17 of them championships and all 5 of the NZ franchise’s taking a trophy Crusaders x10 Blues x3 Chiefs x2 Canes and Landers x1 each seems pretty consistent to me. Yes the Crusaders have dominated the majority but most other franchises have had strong periods of consistency on there own

@@natedogg8775 yeah that’s true if you go by titles won which is basically one game every year(assuming that the top of the table team doesn’t always win the final) but if you look at the seasons as a whole other than 2019 and 2018 it really wasn’t that one-sided infact pretty sure 1 of the most consistent performing teams over all the seasons of super rugby where New Zealand and South African teams played where the sharks 4 finals,4 semi-finals and 4 quarter-finals that is comparable to most Kiwi teams the bulls 2006-2010 where dame near unbeatable rarely losing to anybody, the stormers 2010-2015 we’re notoriously hard to beat and the lions 2016-2017 where the second best team in the comp both years and who knows might have even beaten the saders if not for that red card of course I’m not saying that SA had the better of New Zealand teams New Zealand definitely won that battle overall but remember my point was why I felt South African teams do seem to handle losing players better than the rest of the South and that’s because of their giant playing pool and rugby school system which is enormous and only getting bigger because of the growth of the game among the black population while on the other hand I’m hearing the player pool in New Zealand is actually shrinking

@@user-dv1nm6ty8d the finals are all that matters as we know reflecting on the past 2 world cups the Boks have won given they lost pool games in both and were never consistently winning between the cups if your argument was to be taken in to account the we could argue the fact that in 8 world cups SA have lost a total of 8 games and in 10 cup NZ on 1 more on 9 but we all know that doesn’t matter and that SA are a more consistent and successful World Cup winning nation at this point in time as NZ has been a more consistent team overall And yes your right the number of players have dropped off in rugby in recent years for sports like basketball and Soccer but I believe we still have the talent pool to get back to our former glory

They do this every week unfortunately. You'd be forgiven for thinking some teams had a bye week since some great games are completely skipped over.

Finally someone said it💀🤣🤣

Hey, We showed the same zeal to sign Mr Robertson. I talking about the fans as well, well most of them.

Mcgenzie little Mcgenzie that can't defend.😂😂😂😂😂.

DMAC is Ben Blair with ADHD

​​​@@michaelmoynihan9591leave my DMac alone 😁

True Mounga is no Carter not even close let him go.

Not when they then proved their worth, as Sam did. Not only my opinion but this panel and most of the comments here too.

@@geofflecren8827 you're right on stats Sam was one of the best but the balance has never been right with him on the field. And I do stand by my comment that form hasn't been important for the all blacks for years. If the incumbent was at least serviceable they would always get the jersey ahead of a bolter that was playing the house down. Sam has been a great servant for NZ rugby and man I feel for him. But I can't say I'm not excited to see what happens now he's gone.

@dmazingi I agree, but I think we've had bigger problems replacing Kaino and Read for the balance you're talking about. Another factor is the timing in the RWC cycle. Of course we're all excited, but there wasn't another 7 I'd have put on ahead of Sam to start 12 months ago.

It’s crazy how none of the players in that team is talked about either Like the amount of great work JRK is doing

That was the nzr caving to the aussies who wanted at least one or some of their teams involved in the 'finals'. That and it not being an 11 round comp where everyone just plays eachother once is ridiculous.

Excellent comment.

People complain about Richie potentially coming back, but they wouldn't complain if he did and went to another level in the ABs

Too many people watch 5 minute highlight packages of Beauden and McKenzie on KZfaq and not the whole 80 minutes of Mo'unga dominating. Hansen and Foster both chose to play Beauden at fullback and still wanted him as main playmaker never giving Richie Mo'unga full control.

Mounga must be sick of the phone calls.

According to the Breakdown,the NZRU have been mentioned trying to get an early release for Richie from his contract.i have no doubt Richie and Razor have had those conversations.Harry Plummer raised his stocks,I really hope Scott Robertson will consider specialist No10 DMac Beaudy Harry preferably Brett Cameron , Jacobs looks promising with more exposure to super rugby experience.

Hahaha, too right mate

Yep my point exactly. We can always revisit Mounga if we're in trouble before the World cup. It's not like we need him right this moment.

Trust raz in what he wants. He’s had the best record as a coach so why doubt him

So good.

I personally think Mounga is overrated leave him there.

Yeah Ruben Love was a 10, but NZ is utterly obsessed with making every first-five a fullback for some reason. Ruben Love seems like he'd be worth a look at as a 10, if he'd be given an extended run there. Plenty of other fullback options, it's 10 that is thin.

@@jacobh1867 yep 10 is thin, put him in there for Hurricanes next season? but what do you do with Brett Cameron? Brett Cameron is holding the spot at the moment, and doing well himself. Super Rugby Finals will be very interesting. An extended run would be key! Ruben Love could be anything! He's world class quality. Essential he is trialled there at 10 well before the next RWC 2027, the season's go quick.

I agree Barrett is the best 10 we have, however because Mounga has had so much success with the crusaders over the last 7 years, a lot of Kiwis particularly crusaders fans now believe he’s the best, despite never achieving the same success with the ABs. I judge a no 10 based on their test level form and Barrett has always seemed to perform better in the black jersey, although he did seem to drop off in form over the last year or so.

Is that why Hansen and Foster both shifted him to fullback at test level?

@@Karpetburnz Classic case of would’ve, could’ve, should’ve, didn’t. We will die wondering had he played 10. Beauden’s rugby intelligence is remarkable. Form is neither here nor there… he’s a big match player, already has a RWC gold medal (in the 10 jersey). Yes, the ABs are spoilt for choice at 10, but powers that be couldn’t see the wood from the trees . In my books, BB any day at 10, even for 2027.

@@thejunglecrab2141 I think there’s a lot of recency bias with a lot of Kiwis, Mounga was the All Blacks first choice no 10 during the World Cup and people now associate his name with that position and the majority of people have now forgotten what BB was capable of in the black jersey. Barrett was a bit unlucky to be shifted to fullback after the all blacks lost 3 games in a row in the 2022 season, NZ rugby sacked fosters assistant coaches and hired Jason Ryan, Joe schmidt and made some selection changes including Mounga at 10 after Barrett had suffered a head knock against SA. After winning only their second game for the season and saving fosters job, the AB selectors kept that same team all the way through to the World Cup. it wasn’t a matter of Mounga being the best player, it was more about continuity and not changing a winning team, which foster was under immense pressure at the time to keep winning. I look forward to seeing how BB will perform with Scott Robertson as the new coach and I hope he unleashes his potential we all know he has.

Did you forget Carter was part of the 2003 and 2007 World Cup failures?

@@classicMrE Carter was new in 2003, he didn't play in the crunch games and not at 10 anyway. He got injured in the 2007 quarter, and out of 2010. He essentially had one crack at a world cup run, and nailed it.

What did Tony Brown achieve as a coach?

Way ahead with Tony Brown? 😂.

you are in lala land if you think kiwis will ever forget

You may be correct, I did think this aswell

Thats just speculation. Why come back at all if that was the case? Towards the end of career, take the money.

Nah, they have Havili ;-)

They would have had Fergus Burke barring injuries, but have somehow managed to let him go for next season which is a worry.

he not experienced enough at international rugby level this is level is way way different to super rugby level

@@JimmyKip Thats crazy talk. Maybe Mounga is coming back?????

😂​@@mikescudder4621

Build a bridge already. Nobody thought we would get to the final. Why don't you talk about his captaincy against Ireland in the quarters.

Pretty harsh man. He constantly put his body on the line for club and country without a complaint. It’s a very fine line these days with tackle height rules.

@@MegaTkls That's what every Ab player does though, McCaw is a great example of that put his body on the line every test match & was a target by all opposition getting battered & smashed all the time & most often then not came out on top also remember him playing that 2011 RWC final on one foot as his other was broken that's what you call an inspirational captain & leader!

@@Saiyan4eva that was the 2011 WC final

@@MegaTkls 2011 I mean & went back to back first ever player or captain to do so!

Yeah, let's put hare brained dmac in there.

Jordy missed the kick that mattered....

We wouldn’t have made quarter’s if it wasn’t for richie let alone finals . Thats even under Foster. No 10 is even near his level of gameplay.

Agreed. I think this yr is a massive rebuilding phase for the AB's. There was little to no player development under that idiot Foster,so we start from ground zero. I don't have high expectations for this yr,possibly even the next.It's going to take time to blood new players, and implement Robertson's systems.But I do believe once it starts to gel it will be a thing of beauty.The public will just have to be patient.

@@richardscanlan3419 Oh they won't be patient. So many are waiting for razor to fail. Just look at how much they hate the saders.

@@Marius_vanderLubbe well,I hate the Saders,but then I'm a Blues fan ( JAFA born/bred). I think the fans will be patient as long as they see genuine progress.And,I believe that will come. And if it happens that we start to become a serious threat at test level ,you will know from all the whinging out of SA and the northern hemisphere:))

Loosing by one point 15 vs 14 in a world cup final doesn't seem to suggest the ABs were put back 4 years.

@@richardscanlan3419 At least you're honest about your hate, richard. I love knowing the saders have 14 titles and it makes people very hateful.

Yeah, getting sent off in a world cup final as captain is stellar stuff.