Well now I see why not Camaros 🫢 All the name/trim, horsepower, noise the owner takes control of the car and the beating continues regardless how much he tried. Soo sad and embarrassing 🥺 LOL

Don't know what's sad or embarrassing, when the LT1 is damn near $20,000 cheaper. Both LT1 drivers here did not do the car justice.

Still glad to see the Camaro participating! You guys should try to get an SS or 1LE on here since it'll hook a bit better. 😎

Dude you can't drive. That Camaro would smoke that Supra with a good driver.

@@djdrauss629 Lol, it really wouldn't. Multiple tests have shown the Supra to run a tenth or two faster in the quarter mile. Driving could have been better here, and a little closer on the roll for sure though.

Yup, I agree or get the IS 500 ( V8 ) Lexus that will still beat the Camaro, easily.

@@kenwong8722 Sam has a video of a "Camaro" going up against the IS 500...Definitely a must watch!

@@kenwong8722 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p7yCiamm3seVoYE.html

Simple bolt ons and mods on the Supra and will be a very fun car.

@@kenwong8722 hahaha your funny man for the price of that ls500 put it up against something in its class like the ZL1 which i guarantee would eat that little lexus of yours.

I'm getting the same 0-60 times (4.0s) on 275 F1 Summer tires as I did on the 245 All Season, thought maybe I'd see 3.9 or less

You people need to stop pussy-footing with street tires if you want all the traction on your LT1. You need R compound tires in the rear: nitto 555R drag radials or mickey Thompson et streets.

It is not only about the size, the compound and tire type play a role too, those 245 on the LT1 are all season tires not performance tires. A dedicated 275 will have better traction than a cheap all season 305 in just about any condition except wet, i use Nitto 555 in 285 on my SS and sometimes it fishtails not only on acceleration but when i let go of the gas too. I have a spare set of wheels that i will be mounting drag 275s on

@@johnlangley7521 i worked for a distributor of tires for almost a decade, you would be surprised at the physical difference in width from manufacturer to manufacturer as well as models within the same brand. Me and some the other car guys would sometimes take the time to pull same tire sizes across the board and board and sometimes the difference in contact area(footprint or contact patch) would vary by almost an inch, this means that a smaller running 305 would have no better contact area than a 275/295 of a wider running tire of the same size

@@johncrankshaft2886 I believe this because I’ve experienced it before. I once purchased tires for my previous 05 accord, and the 205s from falken were wider than the others brands at the tire shop, I went with those since I felt like I was getting more tire for the money and being the same size at least with the numbers. It looked like a 215 tire, but it said 205, while others looked more like 195s, it’s weird.

So why does the Supra beat the BMW Z?

@@Thaloveexperience because it’s the same engine with the same power but the bmw is a little heavier

It’s bmw motor with Toyota tunning

@Jack aaah yeah. My question is why is it faster than the BMW coupe with the same engine. 🤦🏿‍♂️ Stop trying to be smart and actually be smart and answer the question.

@Jack uuuuh there's only a 100lbs difference. I'm starting to think you're not that smart. 🤔

Msrp but both these cars prob have a 10k markup rn lol

@@inosurrender8327 I agree markups are stupid but it doesn't change the fact that there's a massive price difference between them....

@@deejayimm I’m confused how buddy responded to you without noticing he proved your point.

@@inosurrender8327 A lot of dealers are in fact marking them up, I had to look around, but if you're in the market for a Supra I got mine at Family Toyota In Burleson, TX at MSRP. I don't work there or get anything by saying this, just passing along some info for anyone wanting a Supra at MSRP. I did have to wait about 3 months though. On the other had I was supposed to get a 2023 Vette also at MSRP from a dealer in Michigan. I put my deposit in February, when I checked last month I was still number 103 on the list for one at that dealership and I started at 120. So if I'm lucky I might get a 2024...no worries though, the Supra is an awesome daily driver.

Still the Supra wins lol or get the IS 500 ( V8 ) Lexus that will still beat the Camaro

The Supra benefits from being lighter and traction. Lt1 is a superior engine

@@mogulme6190 agree even though Supra is 200ish lbs. lighter with 73hp/86 ft lbs. less. I think that is what shocked Sam. The Hp/weight ratio favored the LT1. BMW definitely underrated the Supra. On paper it’s not what happened on pavement. The underdog won every run.

B58s with very minimal bolt ons are pretty quick 🕺🏾

@@wavy6551 So are the LS/LT engines. LoL! Look at all the world records for the LS engines and tell me where the B58, or any German/Euro engines for that matter, compare!!! 😏

In this video, both cars make similar hp (yes, the Sup makes about 440 bhp) but the Sup is 200-300 lbs lighter. The result is expected. But talking strictly about the potency of the engines, the LS is much more potent and has all the records to prove. Look up the LS running 7s, 6s and 5s. The B58 is an unknown newb and hasn't accomplished anything in the drag racing world.

Stop blaming the tyres you butthurt slowmaro fan boy they are over rated and slow way faster cars around than those old gas guzzling dinosaur cars

That’s facts and plus on the roll Maro starts pullin but then the race ends, which goes back to ur point from the low end it’s having issues cuz of the baby 245s.

@@JT-gh9hi maro didnt pull on the roll

@@cw2840 as in reelin at the top end but by then race is over, that’s when I was saying the maro has low end weakness cuz the small tires and the lack of catching traction from the beginning

Fake

supras are definitely conservatively rated.. didnt know the camaro made so little by comparison and its a shitload heavier... no wonder it couldnt catch the supra

Oh? And how did you equate that?

@@Welcometofacsistube on a dynojet with sae cf

Definitely agree with you 👌

@@skip741x3 bmw

Thank you 🙏

More like 50k + with the price mark ups and low availability of cars. Used 16’-18’ 6th Gen Camaros are going for more than what they went for BRAND NEW when originally first sold. I’ve seen used 6th gens with 50k miles going for upwards of 40k+ which is just laughable.

I really hopped you didn’t actually mean at 40k their going to 60+ all day long

@@Sneaky5.sl0w. This is an lt1 not an ss so it is the base model with the 6.2….so yes it is considerably much cheaper.

@@henryRodriguez4073 Nope not 60k. 60k range what are you buying a zl1 lol? This isn’t even an ss it’s the lt1 which is the lowest trim you can get with the v8

@@dz_gt500 I heard base price is supposed to be $34,000 for the base LT1

Bmw for ya

@@davidwade7681 similar to Yamaha and their overrating instead of underrating of the horsepower on a Lexus ISF.

Wait he did the rolling start runs in full auto ?

@@nighthawk0077 Yes the rolling races were done in full auto. The A10 shifts quicker than a PDK but doesn't select gears nearly as well as the ZF transmission left to its own devices. Sam is a beast, so I know going forward he will start the races in manual, then switch to drive. All automatic besides DCT cars perform the best rolling acceleration times using this method.

@@anthonysaquatics4359 I don't know how so many months in Sam is still making these kinds of basic errors. Lots of room for improvement in producing and editing these races as well. I guess let's wait and see.

Lets not forget the LT1 comes with shitty all season thinner tires than the SS, the LT1 uses a square setup the same size as the SS fronts so traction will be limited. Speed/acceleration is not as simple as HP, gearing and traction play a big role as the old saying goes; spinning aint winning!

Intersting stuff. On launches, hook up for the LT1 was clearly an issue. Also, I came across one guy that swore the LT1 was faster in the Touring mode.

@Catholic Firefighter if you’re only into the speed part of it then no. The LT1 is as basic as it gets and that’s a top of the line Supra with all the bells and whistles.

@Catholic Firefighter I have a 2021 Supra 3.OL but yeah it is expensive- that 20 Grand would buy a lot of forced induction for the Camaro- I have no hate for any of em I have owned Mustangs, Camaros and Vettes, and 2 gens of Supra. All fun in their own way.

Thanks for noticing that too, I'm like WTF.

Probably meant the camaro. Which i believe is 52 front.

@@dnegel9546 He doesn't make a lot of sense in general. He also said he EXPECTED the Camaro to win, and then says but it lost and he expected it to lose but be closer. That's why I don't trust this channel.

@@soapa4279 i think he just makes alot of mistakes because of how busy he is that we dont see on video. But price wise the supra is actually closer to the base model ZL1. But this channel is more about racingbwhatever is laying around.. Sometimes literally. 😅 I just watch it for fun. I wish they raced slower cars.

@@dnegel9546 Yeah thanks for the sensible thoughts, and perhaps you're right. It might be him rushing a bit.

Yeah to the Naturally aspirated Camaro. Lol Had they used a ZL1 supercharged Camaro that Supra wouldn’t even be close.

@@Sergio-lu9kb true, but that’s the fun in fair races, NA vs NA makes heaps more sense then SC vs NA. At that point it’s like saying you want to race someone in a wheelchair up a hill.

@@hogflies3208 that supra is not naturally aspirated it’s a i6 turbocharged engine

Not to be an anti jdm dick...but domestics still destroy JDM's in the price to performance category.

Till the 5.0 Coyote pulls up with the 10R80 then the supra is in trouble provided the air both stock

@@rodneyloepker6344 Carwow did that race and alas the mustang fell to the Supra too.

Runflats are garbage and I agree the Camaro needs better tires to compete

Chevy and their cheap skate throwing Goodyear tires on a car pushing out 400+ hp, shake my head

They should have either used an SS model or the 1LE model. The LT1 model is the base V8 model and comes with crap tires that are also smaller than the SS tires, rears at least

@@everythingcrypto5577 the LT1 is the BASE V8 model. This is for people that want V8 but don't plan on aggressive driving or track duty. This is not the model that should have been run against a Supra with really good tires. The SS model not only comes with better tires but wider rear tires than the LT1.

Camaro would win, I beat one on a 93 oct tune while I was stock 🤔 (in my 2ss)

But the Supra wins performance per horsepower as well as performance per hp to weight ratio. As well as exterior and interior and durability hence price.

someone already did it on youtube and the Nissan Z got smoked bad.

European/Japanese car quality against American car quality... Not even close.

Beats me how this wannabe car journalist can have so many subscribers. His lack of competent is embarrassing.

S2000 owner here, 50:50 is good and all, but 60:40 is better if you talking pure track cars (MR etc). More weight on the driving wheels (or the wheels that do the most work).

@@N4CR5 Yes that makes sense, probably why Chevy finally created the C8. I was mostly just pointing out to the inconsistent and contradictory statements.

I bought a 2018 gt mustang 6 speed 1 yr ago and I love it! I have added borla catback, cold air intake and 85mm throttle body so far and I have the shorty headers in the closet that will be installed soon. Those bolt ons have made such a big difference so far.

Lt1 weight less 300 pounds. I can't see the ss beating a supra nowhere; Track ,highway or twisty. Maybe with upgraded package

@@15thelongway The SS beats the Supra on track. It takes 5 seconds to look up this up

@@15thelongway The LT1 trim with a 6-speed weighs 3,619 lbs. A 1SS with a 6-speed weighs 3,685 lbs. So, no, the LT1 is not 300 lbs lighter. The 1LE package does not add another 234 lbs of weight.

@@15thelongway the regular ss beats it around a track. No point of even comparing it to a 1le.

CLOWN!

😂😂😂GM needs to retire this ancient engine. 455 hp out of 6.2 liters is worse than most economy cars.

@@deman19901 they didnt because it’s a simple setup that works🤣 don’t worry camaro going away next year

@@juliuslaboy185 Good riddance

@@deman19901 & stock for stock still out here gapping 6.4s & 5.0s lol

@@angelg.5751 sure buddy whatever you say! 🙄

BMW has done such a great job

The zl1 is overrated too typical American

@@GodKing804 the camaro in the video was a base LT1 camaro. if it was the ss with the LSD in the rear diff the results would be the opposite.

@@mohamedalabri1132 how so? They did a roll race lol. So no it wouldn’t be different.

@@Youcallthesebagels_ even in a role race a LSD makes a difference since it limits the wheel spin ( as the camaro has around 450 lbft/ 623 NM ), as you might also know the supra comes with a LSD which helped it in the dig and in the role race.

also without any disrespect to the supra, it has a BMW engine which we all new are way underrated and they always make more horsepower than claimed form the factory.

Would still lose, he lost the roll too.. soooooo ah yeah

He's talking about launch control in general. The LT1 camaro doesn't have computerized launch control. They should have run either a camaro SS(which has launch control), or a Camaro ZL1, which represents the best camaro has to offer(which would destroy the supra).

@@MrKevinwoulfe Wrong. I have an LT1, and it has launch control which is activated by entering competition mode (pressing traction control twice in sport mode), pressing brake, and flooring the throttle, with revs being held at 2K. As I mentioned earlier, the same car utilized LC in the last video against the Is500. It's obvious when it's active, because you hear full throttle at the launch.

@@shabanajannik2600 Barely lost on that last roll, and a dig is a different story. Scatpacks get destroyed on rolls, but from a dig they run about the same time as an SS/LT1.

@@MrKevinwoulfe you mad the Camaro lost huh lol 😂 talk about the current race with the current cars … you can tell when someone is mad about the results they go to talking about hypotheticals and cars that aren’t racing 😂

Hell yeah brother, good stuff

I’m a c6z type of guy but yes I love vettes too!

@@Danny7930 yeah the c6z is so beast. Prob the best bang for buck car out there.

Thank you

@@SamCarLegion Love your style Sam Thanks for the amazing content!

My thoughts exactly

We all know the BMW Supra cannot mess with the ZL1 trim level Camaro

Give the supra some bolts on and u will lol other than that you're not comparing much lol

I know a Supra with a tune can rip pretty hard too. I like both cars and would own both if I could! Lol

I love my 2010 SS with stage III cam, longtubes, cat deletes, into Borla Atak. It sounds absolutely insane. Just chops like a big ol nasty v8 should.

@@GoDsSoN770 🪦

Bmw

@@davidwade7681 if you had ever driven the Supra longer than a 15 minute test drive (which I have), you’d realize that’s the biggest compliment. When you get a car that feels more like a traditional toyota, you get a BRZ. Meh.

@@davidwade7681 Yamaha

A new zl1 is like 75k lol. One of the cheaper current gen zl1 with 40k miles is like 62k. A brand new 3.0 premium is like 55. Camaro looks badass tho.

@@dufferego87 I guess I should tell my salesman that he sold me my ZL1 for $12k less than he was supposed to. ;-)

@L W February. Of course, the salesman lowballed me on my trade-in, a 2016 SS sedan in pristine condition with only 37k miles on it. Absolutely loved that car, but it was an automatic and I wanted to get back into a manual. While I miss my SS and it was really unique, I'm having fun in my ZL1.

The problem with us Americans is that we tend to only pay attention to our big v8s and not what imports are engineering in smaller engines. I was very biased at first, then started to like what BMW and Japanese manufacturers were doing. I got me a Supra last year and was absolutely blown away on how quick they are. I only have a DP/ Botti Tune and it walks Hellcats and and my own ZL1..

Bmw

The SS1LE would beat the Supra. They raced the low-end base model v8 camaro against the best Supra. There's at least a $10k difference here.

@@Ton-uy1xd Completely wrong! SS1le makes the same power and is heavier than the Lt1.

@@Ton-uy1xd "Low-end base model v8 camaro" @ 455 HP... Against a 382 HP 6 cylinder Toyota? And you're going to complain your car was too cheap? How much a car costs has nothing to do with HP and performance. The Camaro has approx 75 more HP and about 80 lbs more in torque. And it couldn't quite keep up with the Supra. Yes, I agree there will always be another car that can beat any car. But in this video, I think the comparison was more than justified. And the Supra won... 4 Times! PLUS... the Supra gets 22 mpg city and 30 mpg highway. Your Camaro of choice likely gets about 15 to 20 mpg. Another Supra win! ;)

@@rindordrums That's not true I beat Supra 3.0's all the time on the strip and my SS1LE is the manual. Even when I lose, I still trap higher by 3-5mph. From a dig it comes down to the driver, like just about every other car in this price range. All that being said, the Supra doesn't stand a chance on the track. See Car & Driver Lightning Lap if you don't believe me. Edit: you're also totally wrong about the price difference. If you spend the same for a Camaro as the Supra 3.0 GR, You get Magnaride shocks, eLSD and much wider track tires. It all makes a massive difference from a dig.

339-349whp actually

@@NellyEIEI The 2020 Supra with the prior version of the B58 made 340 WHP. This revision makes roughly 380 WHP.

they used an LT1 which has 245 all season tires stock..... the supra GR comes with performance tires stock... they should have used an SS the insane loss of traction on a 245 radial that should be 280+ is a HUGE problem.

Check the Supra vs m340i race out, the Supra took the bmw to GAPPLEBEES. They might have the same engine and rated HP but supra is way lighter so that should be self explanatory

..and then you woke up

From a dig, M340i should be better as it has AWD

Toyota tuned the engine

Same here, I’ve raced multiple supras in my old 1LE and it was never anything like this I was always 2-3 cars out ahead from dig and roll. But then again the 1LE tires are alot bigger and once warm the compound grips nicely

Exactly what it is lol

@@davidwade7681 it is exactly that. Similar to a Lexus ISF being a Yamaha engine / built drive train.

My 1le actually has an exact 50/50 ratio tho

Not even sure how you mess up an automatic launch...

@@Dolby109 watch the video again to see how. A RWD V8 is not easy if you’re not used to it, it’s not like launching a GT-R. It doesn’t have launch control or AWD.

@@samholcombe3129 It actually does have launch control.

@@Dolby109 I didn’t know if LT1s had it standard or as option but anyway you can see he hasn’t had much experience launching it, the 1st dig run he went too soft and 2nd run he spun.

The fact that they are running identical times is why it's a good comparison. The SS1LE isn't really any faster in a straight line than the LT1. A ZL1? Yea, that would be like comparing the 2.0 Supra to an SS. The Zl1 makes 650 HP, and the Supra makes about 400. So that would be just as foolish. I agree though about the gear changes, doesn't look like the Camaro owner used the paddle shifters to launch from the optimal rpm on the rolls.

ZL1 wouldn't be fair race for a Stock supra it has over 200hp on it. The 1LE is actually heavier with the 1LE package than a very base LT1 model .Horsepower Doesn't change with 1LE or LT1 its the same. Power for Power and weight for weight this is the fairest race.

How is this not a fair race? The Camaro has 73 more horsepower and 87 more torque. Also a tuned Supra will still walk a ZL1.

@@itzchriz836 to stick with a ZL1 it should but around 600-630 hp on the crank and they even might beat the ZL1 as they are way lighter.

Entry level camaro comes with a 2.0 or v6, not a V8. Would be a good race 2.0 supra vs 2.0 or v6 camaro. That also is not a top of the line bmw 3.0.

A little bit

The camaro is a way cooler car. Bigger tires oh and put a blower on it

@@Surefire346 Its actually made in Canada and its a POS. Watch Scotty Kilner...a millionaire car mechanic with a master's degree AND he has more followers. Learn how Toyota ? Lexus makes the most reliable cars around. I drive Lexus ES, ISF and LFA.

@@williammartin4206 that 6.2 can take more abuse than that toyota engine

@@Surefire346 really? watch that Supra that goes to the race track and races and then drives off. Ask any mechanic about how reliable Toyotas are. My neighbor rebuilds transmissions and guess what kind of brand new truck he owns. He has a daughter....guess what kind of car he bought his daughter? Consumer Reports (non advertising magazine) ranks reliable cars. I own a Lexus. number one = Lexus.

@@williammartin4206 BMW are built to break. The camaro is a better performance car.

The 2.0 accord and the mustang ecoboost will eat the v6 brotha, plenty of races online

@@desioasis2378 they are all tuned in those races. And it's usually the Turbo Camaro vs those other cars that I've seen

@@t-lawsfitness6044 i have a 2.0 accord and ive also ran multiple v6 camaros brotha, its mot even close and thts when i was stock. The 2.0 camaro itself outruns the v6. The v6 sounds good asf with an exhaust but its just upto the par

There is this video in particular, also u can read the comments in the video nd u ll see what i mean

@@desioasis2378 1. Share the link. 2. People would still want to see it imo. The specs are pretty equal

Tires on the Camaro are garbage, Supra's are top notch, that makes a big difference. Buddy needs do to an upgrade

You also have to note the B58 382 hp is more than likely wheel hp. And not hp from the crank. When people dyno those Supra's, they are dynoing above 400 hp and above 400 lb-ft of tq.

Already had convertible 10 speed it lost

I say get the SS different tune then this one stock

the camaro's are faster than mustangs stock

@@KingZD1 Wrong! Mustang 5.0 is faster!

@@bman1668 Convertibles don’t count. They are way slower.

is canada so no elevation

I was thinking the same. Like a more fair race is actually against a base model zl1. But this channel is more about racing whatever its available and overall i like it. The camaro did great keeping up with a car 15k+ more expensive. Just 2 better tires away from beating it.

The similar performance is why the LT1 and Supra are being compared, not the cost. The Supra is closer to the ZL1 in price, but the ZL1 also makes 650 HP, and is half a second quicker in the quarter mile than the Supra.

Thank you I was screaming at the screen saying downshift bruh. The damn car got 10 gears for forsake that damn delay when it drop. Camaro would have won every roll race🤦🏾‍♂️

My 1le has exact 50\50 ratio tho

Or the Supra guys were asleep 😴

@@SamCarLegion Lol not likely we ran it back several times and the result was the same the only way the Supra won was when it left early.

Of course your races were fair - we were asleep 😂

KZfaq is free to upload- prove me wrong :)

Your SS trim has 275 vs these 245 tires and a lsd so there is a nice difference between it and this lt1 as far as traction goes.

Same I went with 21 1le 10 speed 12k miles 🔥