Debating A ‘Centrist Depopulationist’ About Welfare

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3 жыл бұрын

Emma Vigeland takes a call from a Majority Report viewer who mentions that earlier in the show, the MR crew was talking about strategic racism. A debate about welfare slowly begins. The caller is a centrist, and he takes issue with lax social safety net disbursements, namely “welfare,” by which he presumably is referring to Supplemental Security Income (SSI), probably housing assistance programs, and what people still refer to as “food stamps”: the Child's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) and Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP).
First the caller says that his cousin had nine children because she was on welfare and there were no controls on the system, and that now one of her kids is a hitman. (Okay??) Then he says that he is a “depopulationist,” and that the government should cut off assistance to people who have too many children that they cannot afford. Things really devolve from their. The caller is big on “personal responsibility,” and it’s incredibly difficult to understand who he thinks should determine who decides this.
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@damienm.9677 3 жыл бұрын

"Centrist depopulationist"? Sounds like a PC way of saying "fascist eugenicist".

@janes7227 3 жыл бұрын

Do you deny that overpopulation is a driver of global warming and climate change?

@jet-fury 3 жыл бұрын

@@janes7227 to the extent it is, it's largely regulated to the global north. The whole of Africa contributes a miniscule amount in comparison to European countries

@damienm.9677 3 жыл бұрын

@@janes7227 yes. “Overpopulation” is a capitalistic, social Darwinist talking point that’s used to take the blame off of corporations and over-bloated government initiatives, like the Department of Defense, who are the primary drivers of climate change. The places that are “overpopulated” and have high birth rates in the global south contribute far less to climate change than industrial superpowers do.

@damienm.9677 3 жыл бұрын

@Mekehl this eco-fascist garbage is so tired. The problems caused by climate change will not be solved by “depopulation”, which would primarily cause suffering to those that contribute the least to climate change.

@icecoldpierre 3 жыл бұрын

The word "centrist" is a joke in American politics. It just means you are a right winger that subscribes to some sensible liberal policy like social welfare programs. In most other democracies you still just a right winger.

@dpradis 3 жыл бұрын

Shit, when these people say "nature" my eyes just fucking roll to the back of my head. You would think if they love nature so much they would be for not destroying the earth.

@noahthenormal 3 жыл бұрын

Nah, earth needs to pick itself up by its bootstraps and become more competitive with humans in the free market

@cool_sword 3 жыл бұрын

"In nature" Posted from my iPhone

@dpradis 3 жыл бұрын

@@djancak You know that's just some bullshit label to not say Qanon/Republican/Trump Supporter/ or whatever. Just like "pro-life" people don't actually care about life and more about telling women what to do.

@pranays 3 жыл бұрын

@@djancak No it's not it's about controlling people.

@samiamrg7 3 жыл бұрын

@@pranays It 100% is, though. It is about controlling the behavior of men and particularly women to "punish" them for daring to have sex. Most of the people I have talked to on this issue come back to wanting to make people "more responsible" and/or wanting women to stop "spreading their legs." There are plenty of people who just say they want to protect fetuses, but then if you point out that banning abortion doens't stop them it just makes them dangerous, they will say women deserve to be maimed or killed if they seek an illicit abortion.

@skyirwin1445 3 жыл бұрын

This guy is throwing out white supremacist dog whistles. Also, classist.

@maxsmart9116 3 жыл бұрын

The caller is black though, so he's just classist, which is still awful.

@RoadkillMeatball 3 жыл бұрын

@@maxsmart9116 You think black people can't be white supremacists? That's cute.

@Michaela_ZC 3 жыл бұрын

@@maxsmart9116 he reads to me like a black dude who totally bought into what he learned in Economics classes in high school and blames other black people for not following the gospel of fiscal responsibility

@maxsmart9116 3 жыл бұрын

@@meanjustine8266 listen again and you'll hear him say it

@gaybuzzlightyear1294 3 жыл бұрын

Do we have to accuse everyone we disagree with of being a secret white supremacist? 🙄 He’s black, and he never brought up race once. The hosts did.

@tyrellcapers2224 3 жыл бұрын

Summary of debate: Poor people should be punished for having babies.

@TokenBlackman7 3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps a sort of "hunger game" to ration resources to participating families?

@impatientboi 3 жыл бұрын

Also, poor people do not have to die per se, but if they could stop existing that would do wonders for the environment and the national deficit.

@Zenhumanist 3 жыл бұрын

Too many babies certainly.

@greeneyedlady5580 3 жыл бұрын

@@Zenhumanist "Too many babies" Where? It would be really helpful if you had at least a basic understanding of a few really pertinent facts First, our whole capitalist system is based on the premise that for an American corporation to be successful, it must always show increased profits. The only ways that profits can keep increasing are if you sell ever more products to the same people, you sell the same level of products to more people, or drive down costs to increase profits. Most people don't need or want 20 alarm clocks, or 6 toasters, or 17 cars, etc. so there are very real limits to how far companies can go with selling more products to the same numbers of people. There are also limits to how much profits can be increased by cutting costs. Rents and building costs are not going to decrease. Most raw materials costs aren't going to decrease. Labor costs generally aren't going to decrease, unless companies are cutting their labor forces, and if lots of companies are doing that, it results in less people that can afford to buy their products. At some point costs can't be driven any lower without damaging quality or quantity of goods produced. That means that our capitalistic system in all practicality relies on an ever increasing population to purchase those goods and services. How is that going to happen when US birth rates are way down, and Republicans want to drastically reduce the amount of immigration to the US?

@terriej123 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@silverharloe 3 жыл бұрын

"what's your position? your argument? " "why is it-" "Let me stop you right there, dude. That's a question, not a position statement"

@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a couple of my friends, they dated a crackhead with a bunch of kids, got burned so now all liberals want to destroy the benevolent business man because there's nothing wrong with poisoning some rivers that supply millions with water. These dude's are incoherent, they're just mad.

@joecrooks5103 3 жыл бұрын

So this guy is just a eugenicist that's trying to hide his power level

@TokenBlackman7 3 жыл бұрын

It's over nine-THOUSAAAAAAAND!

@uncomfortabletruth5915 3 жыл бұрын

@Mekehl And what happens to the kids when government doesn’t step in to fund food, housing, education, etc?

@hueykhalidX 3 жыл бұрын

@Mekehl - Well most welfare recipients are “white.” In fact, it was created for “whites.” Start there.

@samiamrg7 3 жыл бұрын

@Mekehl And how do you propose we do that without some kind of welfare?

@diallo1347 3 жыл бұрын

@Mekehl yes, it's called welfare.

@shaneswiss 3 жыл бұрын

This guy does not have a firm understanding of what the purpose of government is, and how people work…

@MrMasterDebate 3 жыл бұрын

He has a firm understanding of what he wants to government to do: punish for bad behaviors. Do nothing for positive behaviors. Throw money at people who have money as a reward .

@Zenhumanist 2 жыл бұрын

Well, he’s trying to explain his cousin.

@forrestomintero5553 3 жыл бұрын

Ultimately I would classify this guy's argument as "I believe in depopulation, but don't have the balls to bring that philosophy to its natural conclusion."

@neighborhoodmusicsnob5517 3 жыл бұрын

I would respect him more if he just went nuts about that.

@Vesta_the_Lesser 2 жыл бұрын

I mean, given how much strain humans are putting on the planet depopulation IS a good goal, but the way our economy works and how we've structured our society overall, we can't do it (or at least, doing it would be VERY painful)

@Zenhumanist 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, he should have said that if people like his cousin didn’t have 8 kids society would be much better off.

@Vic-tz3gl 3 жыл бұрын

This guy has more courage than Stephen Crowder by actually debating politically knowledgeable people

@terrystevens3998 3 жыл бұрын

The cowardly lion has more courage than Steven Crowder

@ravenlong9521 Жыл бұрын

Are you going to live in a box at that price..

@shaytheo 3 жыл бұрын

This is what brainwashing sounds like. I've heard this argument my wholeife. Literally, my whole 59 years of life. The equation of regulation of corporations and people on government support is the red herring. Government is about protecting and insuring the COMMON good, not the CORPORATE good. Take a look at the definition of each word and you will begin to get a clue.

@tylerbalazic4592 3 жыл бұрын

The amount of conservatives I know in real life that say they "don't care that policing welfare makes it more expensive" when confronted with that knowledge is amazing. All of them, literally all of them just say "it's not about money it's about responsibility" which is tipping their hand that they just want to punish the problem away regardless of efficacy

@shaytheo 3 жыл бұрын

@@tylerbalazic4592 "Responsibility" means those (lazy) POC (women) who don't have the the intelligence to do the "right" thing. If these ppl really wanted to talk about Responsibility they would be looking at the unbelievable irresponsibility of the wealthy and stop worrying about whether someone on assistance buys a steak now and then. I agree with Daniel, fascist eugenicists.

@tylerbalazic4592 3 жыл бұрын

@@shaytheo they ignore that society has a collective responsibility to each other in order to exist. We need new people born to pay for old people to retire and those old people need to pay to raise those new people in order to keep the cycle going. Just from a fundamentally utilitarian point of view we need to take care of each other

@shaytheo 3 жыл бұрын

@@tylerbalazic4592 YES!!! Knowing we are responsible FOR one another can move us toward being responsible TO and WITH one another. How much waste I create impacts how much air you have to breathe. And it goes on.... Thanks for the dialogue!

@lucindabreeding 3 жыл бұрын

@@tylerbalazic4592 My parents have some friends who really got excited about the idea of screening everyone on government benefits for drugs, making them pay for the drug test, and suspending benefits if they test positive. I told the guy "I'm all for that, but only if it's everyone on the public dole. So if you're on Medicare, you better pay for your drug test every month, and if you have a positive - even a false positive - you lose your benefits for a year." Some of the boomers I know don't seem to understand that they will extract more welfare from Medicare than they ever put into it. And that they have been voting for candidates who have been trying to dismantle Medicare for my generation and beyond. So many boomers and silent generationers seem like they have such a hard on to "correct" what they see as being the irresponsibility of younger poor people. They never see themselves as being on public assistance.

@zainzoala1083 3 жыл бұрын

He has personal issues with that woman he mentioned. So for him, all women are that woman and he also wants to see same action that he doesn't know yet , to be taken against all women. 😂😂😂

@SCHRODINGERS_WHORE 3 жыл бұрын

He a damn incel

@avirichar4981 3 жыл бұрын

you could tell by the way he spun off when Emma made a simple catch-up clarification on what he was talking about, and took what she was saying as some kind of attack or unjustly restrictive thing too, which took a loooong time for him to catch up to even realizing was a possible thing she might be doing instead of what he was imagining....that he deep down is struggling with some kind of skewed personal-overgeneralizing, whether it's all-out misogyny too or just some kind of classism overload that distorts everything for him...just plain not very conscious of his own thinking and values and where they come from and why

@thefruch7588 3 жыл бұрын

Thats a really good point and honestly alot of men do that. They have a horrible experience with one type of woman. and from there on out every woman is exactly the same. its crazy and why alot of those kinda dudes are alone and angry

@TheHouseoftheShadow 3 жыл бұрын

In my family, there are multiple accomplished women, 1 PhD, 2 nurses, 2 master's degree holders and 2 literal welfare queens who let the streets raise their 11 combined kids, 2 of which are convicted killers.

@arcaneboy 3 жыл бұрын

His sister

@bradleyrose811 3 жыл бұрын

Why would you NEED to own your home to have kids…? Also that leaves almost no one who lives in a city able to have kids

@firerunner35624 3 жыл бұрын

People that complain about welfare spending always conveniently forget that we spend more than double on corporate welfare. Weird, right? If only the poor had equal propaganda.

@TheBasedGreeg 3 жыл бұрын

Just reading the label “centrist depopulationist,” already crushed my soul. I can’t take this person seriously as a valid human being with opinions

@samiamrg7 3 жыл бұрын

It just screams “euphamism made up so I can say I’m not a Nazi.”

@MrManray23 3 жыл бұрын

I am a Judeo-Christian Libertarian Centrist

@oddjam 3 жыл бұрын

@@samiamrg7 bingo

@cumincalamity9867 3 жыл бұрын

@@samiamrg7 and an African American Nazi too... that's like a unicorn.

@damienm.9677 3 жыл бұрын

Yea idk in what sort of hell world eugenics would be considered a “center” position.

@bazookallamaproductions5280 3 жыл бұрын

appealing to "natural order" is a fallacy right off the bat. 😂

@KingJT80 3 жыл бұрын

well seems the delta variant is applying natural order to the exact same people like this dude

@wvu05 3 жыл бұрын

@@KingJT80 The Delta Variant is still getting a lot of innocent people who can't take it because either they are immunocompromised or too young. Stay well clear of that road, because you don't want to end up where this guy ends up.

@KingJT80 3 жыл бұрын

@@wvu05 yeah I just found out people close to me in TX got it. Thankful their kids tested negative I live in WA and we're 70% vaccinated up here. It's weird to me hearing people still getting sick from COVID because you don't see it around here And I had a HS friend who had the non variant covid He said you don't want that shit.

@wvu05 3 жыл бұрын

@@KingJT80 Here in PA, it's on the higher end but not that high. I think it's in the upper 50s in the entire population to get both shots, and we were the ninth or tenth to get 70% of adults to get one shot. Seeing the governor of my native state who is basically a knock off Trump except even he has his limits has been _begging_ people to get the vaccine because they're under 40%. My mom can't get it because she is immunocompromised and my daughter and niece can't get it because they are too young. If people just hurt themselves with their own stupidity, have at it, but it is rarely just that.

@KingJT80 3 жыл бұрын

@@wvu05 unfortunately it's never just that. But they can stay on stupid island if they want for free

@firerunner35624 3 жыл бұрын

People don't "choose" to not own a home if they're not being paid what they're worth at work and can't get a loan from a bank. They're forced into being renters. False choices aren't really choices.

@redrick8900 3 жыл бұрын

False. Plenty of people choose to rent. There are a lot of advantages to renting.

@Vesta_the_Lesser 2 жыл бұрын

@@redrick8900 "plenty of people" means not all people. Plenty of people are also forced to rent b/c it's their only option. Increasingly that is becoming the case as hedgefunds buy up properties and trailer parks w/ the intention of only renting b/c that's the most profitable thing to do w/ it.

@ravenlong9521 Жыл бұрын

The greatest danger to population is not that people's aim is too high and they miss it, but that it is too low and they reach it..! " Public Notice ". If people are unsatisfied with the rate of pay .. Please note , find a different job...! People want homes to own .Then find better jobs . Take some classes .. Relocate to a state that gives better pay , has lower property prices..Also note ..Oregon is a beautiful state with mountains, rivers, oceanfront beaches, ect.. Our State Representatives are 💯 shit and it shows..! Garbage literally everywhere ,Homelessness and Mental Health issues everywhere you look! With next to zero options for help..! Also note if your lifestyle is a direct involvement with Drugs ,Theft ,Trespassing or Taking any car you please without any prosecution this is the State for you.., ,.. However must be willing to shit on sidewalks without any notice or care..

@Draxtor 3 жыл бұрын

Brandon spot on with his analysis. Also: ALWAYS a personal story with these confused dudes: “my sister is lazy but has 3 smart phones and 5 kids” etc etc etc that’s why the right has it so easy to keep criminalizing poverty!

@d3l3tes00n 2 жыл бұрын

I love the iPhone debate because they act like everyone pays thousands up front for a smartphone. I pay $50 a month & with other plans/services you can pay even lower.. not that it even matters, but still. Phones can also be gifts or paid for by others & you can track phones as well. It's no different than the whole "we should limit what people with food stamps should be able to eat" bullshit. I've never had the urge to look in someone's cart or pay attention to what form of payment they use. It's all so weird.

@Draxtor 2 жыл бұрын

@@d3l3tes00n a version of this in Europe especially is demonizing refugees with smart-phones. Never goes out of style. I want to scream at these idiots: "WOULD YOU FLEE YOUR COUNTRY AND TRAVEL 4K+ MILES ACROSS THE CONTINENT WITHOUT A SMARTPHONE YOU F***** FOOL?"

@jordanwood183 2 жыл бұрын

Why is the caller mad about his nephew being a hitman if he’s into depopulation?

@BelgianDoomer 3 жыл бұрын

imagine calling into a show to advocate for population control in a country thats about to delete abortion rights.

@LL-cz5ql 3 жыл бұрын

The control comes after birth

@dakunssd 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, wierd how it's always neomalthusianism and never handing out condoms

@jonasdowner 11 ай бұрын

prescient

@doctorthirteen5727 3 жыл бұрын

From the sound of this guy's cough he may not be part of the population much longer.

@neighborhoodmusicsnob5517 3 жыл бұрын

Inshallah

@christopherweise438 3 жыл бұрын

@Aaron Dickson - Fine. Don't get vaccinated. I couldn't give 2 f**** what happens to you. Do us all a favor and discourage all your fellow MAGA's to not get the jab. PLEASE!

@franktheexpertstrenchclub9025 5 ай бұрын

Lol Hey, you can’t call the guy a hypocrite. “Based on the fascist beliefs I hold and my inability to defend those despicable beliefs, I have selected myself for depopulation. I therefore chose to reject vaccination and will not seek medical treatment for my upper respiratory infection.”

@erykaton170 3 жыл бұрын

Sounds to me like his cousin with 8 or 9 kids got pandemic money for each kid, and now is getting the child tax credit payment, which starts today, and he's pissed. Trying to make it sound like he's got some political reason.🙄

@SCHRODINGERS_WHORE 3 жыл бұрын

Lmfao 🤣🤣🤣

@blankspace6367 3 жыл бұрын

when u just wanna grill without having 2 feed those pesky ‘undesirables’

@SA-mo3hq 3 жыл бұрын

We don't have a population problem. We have a 'production for profit, no matter the consequences' problem. We have a 'Petrobillionares control our economy' problem. We have a 'Shitty underfunded infrastructure' problem. We have a capitalism problem.

@ericr.2138 Жыл бұрын

AMEN. I will pick up the microphone that you just dropped. Bravo.

@SA-mo3hq Жыл бұрын

@@ericr.2138 Solidarity, Friendo

@benmiller537 3 жыл бұрын

"I need to restrict this argument to a very niche thing" Yeah, because if you actually look at it in totality it becomes absurdly inhumane and evil.

@seansteele6532 3 жыл бұрын

"I have a cousin, who is totally real, she has 8... no wait 9 children!"

@poops9o9 3 жыл бұрын

One is a killer, one went to college. 😂

@Junebug89 3 жыл бұрын

Faker than Reagan's "welfare queen".

@Vesta_the_Lesser 2 жыл бұрын

I don't find it impossible to believe...until he said one of them became a "hitman." Like, we don't have hitmen dude.

@samiamrg7 3 жыл бұрын

The "natural order" for humans is being nomadic hunter-gatherers. Unless you are an anarcho-primitivist, you don't get to make arguments like that.

@JumpyJoker18 3 жыл бұрын

Strong opinion with no argument to back it up. Props for stepping up to debate though.

@oddjam 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah they really did a fantastic job. I'm sad I missed when this was live.

@KingJT80 3 жыл бұрын

It was a bold move cotton. and it DID NOT pay off

@Gloomdrake 3 жыл бұрын

@@mmartinisgreat if you say something so stupid that people don't know how to respond, I guess you're winning at something

@Gloomdrake 3 жыл бұрын

@@mmartinisgreat not in so many words

@jayhollows5729 3 жыл бұрын

@@mmartinisgreat "he actually stumped these guys" "Haha I just shit my pants and everyone is shocked I must have a point"

@AlexeiX1 3 жыл бұрын

Centrist = right Right = alt right I do these adjustments mentally when I hear people call themselves those things, it's always more accurate

@antipsychotic451 3 жыл бұрын

at least in relation to american politics, that's pretty accurate

@S3aCa1mRa1n 3 жыл бұрын

And left is liberal and more left is progressive right ?

@antipsychotic451 2 жыл бұрын

@@S3aCa1mRa1n No, American liberalism is more on the center. Progressivism is more to the left (but still in the center), and socialist ideology is typically considered "left". Leftism is defined by any sort of opposition to capitalist forms of economic structure. Liberals want social progress but still support capitalism, therefore they are not leftists.

@franktheexpertstrenchclub9025 5 ай бұрын

Yep

@MrMasterDebate 3 жыл бұрын

Zillow: 1 bedroom 2 baths. Home cost is roughly 50-60 k . He’s lying . Look on Zillow.

@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 3 жыл бұрын

That's the best pricing you got? Seeing houses like that closer to 100-150k for my area...

@thepoeet 3 жыл бұрын

I cant wait to teach my daughter about Emma Vigeland when she gets older.

@neighborhoodmusicsnob5517 3 жыл бұрын

Certainly a better role model than someone like Hillary or Kamala.

@franktheexpertstrenchclub9025 5 ай бұрын

So there will be one more woman who laughs at Tim Pool? Have you even thought about his feelings??

@iampuff7 3 жыл бұрын

This guy's politics are literally Love, death, robots season 2 episode 3

@fdfischer 3 жыл бұрын

Shhh no spoilers

@franktheexpertstrenchclub9025 5 ай бұрын

Is that the one with the Future Yuppies who get to live indefinitely?

@ScionofBraggie 3 жыл бұрын

Another right winger that thinks he's a centerist....

@TheYognaught 3 жыл бұрын

When the overton window drifts right, he sort of is?

@kingpest13 3 жыл бұрын

A mortgage is not renting. You can borrow against a home that is still not completely paid for, therefore it is an asset.

@savannarbananar 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that was dumb. And if he wants to whittle down the pool of those who are *”allowed”* to have children to people who _fully_ own their homes, then it is just going to become a luxury for the rich! Like, how many people in the US _actually_ own their own homes and don’t still have a mortgage?!! I bet even rich people still have mortgages, just for them it’s on their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th homes! 🙄

@brothermine2292 3 жыл бұрын

Another difference from renting is that no one can evict you, as long as you keep making the mortgage payments and paying the property taxes. (I'm neglecting abnormal situations like eminent domain seizure.)

@KardasheviteUltravisionary 3 жыл бұрын

Yay, more softcore eugenicists!

@blankspace6367 3 жыл бұрын

don’t compare porn & eugenics like that, it confuses my body

@KardasheviteUltravisionary 3 жыл бұрын

@@blankspace6367 *B O N K*

@oddjam 3 жыл бұрын

hUMaN NaTUrE right off the bat. Anecdote right afterwards. Edit: old Matt and Emma's facial reactions to "I'm a depopulationist" were the same as my reaction upon seeing the title. Edit 2: the whole crew handled this extremely well: Matt Lech forcing him to provide his arguments, old Matt successfully interpreting his prescriptions, Emma pushing him on all the right points and rebutting his blatant inconsistencies, and then again old Matt's perspective on being 'financially responsible enough to have children' were all extremely clutch performances. Great teamwork. Ok I'm done with the commentary.

@Sloimer 3 жыл бұрын

8 minutes in and I have no idea what this dude is talking about.

@wvu05 3 жыл бұрын

I haven't heard someone this incoherent since the last time a libertarian called in.

@gurusmurf5921 3 жыл бұрын

Watched the whole thing and have no idea what he was trying to say.

@SubjectiveObserver 3 жыл бұрын

@@gurusmurf5921 He's mad because 'liberals' want to control corporations but they don't want to control who can have babies. But he doesn't want to admit he's a fascist eugenicist, so he's talking about limiting welfare instead. It's an old fascist narrative that we have too many irresponsible undesirables consuming resources, so we need to depopulate the weak and stupid. It almost feels right considering climate change, but the data shows we can easily support a big population as long as resources are distributed more EVENLY. And population growth naturally levels off as communities gain access to education and stable income. In other words, invest in these communities instead of limiting their welfare.

@granudisimo 3 жыл бұрын

@@SubjectiveObserver But... muh army of endemic poors so I have desperate scabs on speed dial!!

@nobodyherepal3292 3 жыл бұрын

He’s just your average older Louisiana resident. Reminds me of my grandpa.

@MrMasterDebate 3 жыл бұрын

Why shouldn’t the father who irresponsibility got her pregnant also be punished?!

@DonJB93 3 жыл бұрын

At the end of the day the woman chooses if that pregnancy gets carried to term or not.

@SCHRODINGERS_WHORE 3 жыл бұрын

Not in red states they don't 😒🙄

@redrick8900 3 жыл бұрын

Because he didn't make a baby. Pretending men are just as responsible for children being born is absurd, particularly if you are pro choice. If it's her choice why isn't it her responsibility? Where is his choice?

@SCHRODINGERS_WHORE 3 жыл бұрын

@@redrick8900 being born and living a life are two different things man.

@MrMasterDebate 2 жыл бұрын

@@DonJB93 at the end of the day largely men decide if women have access to abortion. So yes, Men do choose. No less than women in those states

@STNMNinc 3 жыл бұрын

"one of my sister's 8 or 9 (can't remember) children is a killer" followed by a liars throat clear..

@theinvisiblewoman5709 3 жыл бұрын

Why do these people think everyone on the left is a liberal? The majority report isn’t even liberal. It’s disrespectful to try to make them defend a point they never said they supported so when they ask for clarification or make a nuisanced point about the topic the callers get upset saying they are talking in circles or making excuses

@derrfurr1628 3 жыл бұрын

Colloquially, the term “liberal” is used to describe someone that is left of center. Even though MR isn’t “liberal” in a formal sense, some people would describe the show as “liberal” as a way of denoting their left-of-center viewpoint.

@rsw552 3 жыл бұрын

Oh, for christ's sake. If the channel isn't liberal, what is? Lmao.

@redrick8900 3 жыл бұрын

You don't know what liberal means.

@redrick8900 3 жыл бұрын

@@derrfurr1628 They cop to being liberal in this video.

@StoveToTheFace 3 жыл бұрын

20-25k for a house pog!!! I just got my moms life insurance money now I can just squeeze in as a home owner...

@StoveToTheFace 3 жыл бұрын

@@TrumpTurd656 I totally understand your point, I would never buy there. I actually prefer renting it's easier because I don't want kids so I don't need to leave anything and I'm not handy. That said he's way off on pricing a quick Google price search proves him wrong.

@johnnyguillotine1673 3 жыл бұрын

My guy I bought a house that was listed for $79k for $53k (through negotiating) 1.33 acers 2400sqft 4bed/2bath home. However... No less than an hour after I was under contract rich people were trying to interfere and pay double the listed price for the home. But my contract protected me from those vulture fucks that wanted to buy it, make a mild improvement (it was move in ready nothing wrong per inspection) then flip it for $200k. Took me 2 years to get lucky enough to get a home before the rich bought it. My payment per month is $302. I have met the rich person that tried to buy it claiming he was lost. Fat meat sweat slobby fuck he asked if I was interested in selling I said sure for $275k but that's what he would've been seeking to sell it for so I took the opportunity to piss him off. I live in Alabama, so a house in Louisiana for $20k-$25k would be absolute shit... Infested with Meth Gators and Neutra-rats.

@cumincalamity9867 3 жыл бұрын

@@johnnyguillotine1673 I really need to know what Meth Gators Neutra-rats are. Like are those real alligators and rats that are addicted to drugs?

@johnnyguillotine1673 3 жыл бұрын

@@cumincalamity9867 yes... Meth Gators exist as well as Meth Squirrel... Neutra-rats I've not seen on meth but it would be terrifying. People in the bayou will eat Neutra-Rat... Google it. I've seen a cop drop 6 shots from a 12ga into one and the fucker was still going after the cop... I hit it with a ⛏️ to keep it from eating a child's foot. I'd rather barehand fight a alligator.

@cumincalamity9867 3 жыл бұрын

@@johnnyguillotine1673 Man... there really are two Americas.

@crithon 3 жыл бұрын

"that's a non starter to an arguement." no, mat's trying to make sense of what you just said, brain is fried to the point where Dave Rubin's ideas can dance. Even Tim Pool's "thanos" analogy would have made more sense.

@JoeG7713 3 жыл бұрын

The MR Crew handled this soooo well

@TheGodFr0mTheMachine 3 жыл бұрын

Digging the meme thumbnails

@qt9967 3 жыл бұрын

Love the show! Minor typo in the description for this video. "Things really devolve from there."

@randallsanders4656 3 жыл бұрын

I haven't checked in a few years but I'm pretty sure the average cost of a child over 18 years is about $200,000. Pretty much nobody outside of the top 5% can be like yeah I feel comfortable adding an additional $10,000/year expense, seems doable 🤦

@bobdole2184 3 жыл бұрын

As if irresponsible parents make that calculation

@randallsanders4656 3 жыл бұрын

@@bobdole2184 I would be shocked if anyone sat down and did a financial assessment before having kids. Nobody I know did that, basically none of them had the disposable income to have a kid. They all figured it out as they went and it's worked so far.

@geared2cre8 3 жыл бұрын

Majority of those kids grow up to pay taxes

@topdamagewizard 3 жыл бұрын

I live in New Orleans. My house is falling apart but is worth almost half a million. It's gone up since we bought it for 200k. For the price hes talking about is in the literal swamp. This guy is insane.

@DuoXCity 3 жыл бұрын

They literally give out food stamps that can only be used on food. They give vouchers that can only be used on rent. Very, very, VERY little cash is given over with no strings attached. His concern is already addressed. Nontroversy.

@MrMasterDebate 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe if his mother was paid a wage for doing the actual job of raising kids and providing a societal benefit to the community ... her kids would have grown up more stable and had better outcomes ...

@KevinGloverpost24 3 жыл бұрын

Dude is all over the place

@joshuapowers4623 3 жыл бұрын

So basically, I've come up with this broad theroy based on a very limited understanding of several areas combined with a severe personal animosity towards a personal experience.

@alexmahoney720 3 жыл бұрын

His story about the welfare momma with 9 kids and one is a saintly student and one is a hit man. Reaaaaally comes across like BS stories youth pastors tell.

@lucindabreeding 3 жыл бұрын

No. As soon as you get the keys to your home, the bank considers you the owner. That's why they can foreclose on your mortgage and take it from you if you default on mortgage payments! A mortgage does not equal rent!

@rini6 3 жыл бұрын

So birth control and abortion will be free and easily accessible for everyone?

@drg4366 3 жыл бұрын

I don't even understand his solution is though. Should poor people have kids probably not it could lead to a lot of hardships for the child but like what is he fighting for the end of child welfare? What the heck will that solve

@wvu05 3 жыл бұрын

He wants to kill people to reduce the population but doesn't have the guts to say it.

@ToxicAudri 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe he has a kid and wants nothing to do with it, but knows as the father he is financially responsible, if the kid were to be "put down" as nicely as I can put it, he suddenly wouldn't be financially responsible anymore. Yes I've started to assume there's a deep personal reason for why people have such nasty views of others, in my experience (growing up with a literal narcissistic parent) you pick up on this pattern. They only consider themselves and their circumstances, never anyone else. And to be fair, the clinical narcissists, are often under diagnosed because they refuse to get checked for mental illnesses. (Personal experience with my narcissistic parent)

@granudisimo 3 жыл бұрын

Malthusian delusions.

@kildogery 3 жыл бұрын

De-populationist? That's sounds kind of murdery.

@SCHRODINGERS_WHORE 3 жыл бұрын

Lol 😂

@center8922 3 жыл бұрын

You'd be surprised how many wackos think the world has an overpopulation problem.

@kildogery 3 жыл бұрын

@@center8922 we have a capitalism problem.

@fefyfona4318 3 жыл бұрын

So he probably saw a couple of people with kids, iPhones and decent clothes while on welfare and think anyone on welfare are irresponsible and don't deserve it 🙄

@SCHRODINGERS_WHORE 3 жыл бұрын

Honestly depopulationist??? Dude practice what you preach!!! Start with yourself!!

@pranays 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@stuffnuns 3 жыл бұрын

The caller is full of it. He has “a heart two sizes too small” as Dr. Seuss once wrote. When TF are we gonna have a national healthcare system?

@berskinedesign7545 3 жыл бұрын

This seems to be a common theme in the current free-market/conservative rhetoric. Share enough info to lead the audience to a narrow set of conclusions, but never make or stand behind any assertion. The caller was asked several times to clarify their point; response: plausible deniability.

@SlinkerX Ай бұрын

Great rebuttals here by the MR crew and shout-out to Binder's Anti-Flag shirt 💪

@satyasyasatyasya5746 3 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure this argument is straight out of *The Bell Curve!!!* This is disgusting! OMFG

@zer0nix 3 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, that 'scientific' work which was never submitted for peer review because then the authors would have to show how exactly they managed to take scores from an English as a second language test and apply them to IQ, or why it is scientifically necessary to toss out scores from a private school and leave in scores from a school for the mentally retarded, etc etc...

@sheznotfunny 10 ай бұрын

"Yeah...um...im just wondering...um...why does chocolate taste so good?"

@gaybuzzlightyear1294 3 жыл бұрын

The real question is why do conservatives want to regulate welfare for the poor, but not the wealthy. Why do they criticize the poor for not contributing, but allow corporations to exploit loopholes to avoid paying any taxes? Which costs the government more money - poor people misusing welfare funds or billion dollar companies taking millions in subsidies, and hoarding their money in off-shore bank accounts?

@revwroth3698 3 жыл бұрын

You can get a house for $25K in rural Arkansas too, but I would not recommend it. Also... WTF is this guy talking about?

@dakunssd 3 жыл бұрын

lemme guess, it's a shack with no foundations, sitting in a rural backroad, no access to centralized sewer, no public transportation, no jobs nearby, with black mold and lead paint, in a floodplain. One of those "houses" where the house actively depreciates the property value.

@revwroth3698 3 жыл бұрын

@@dakunssd close, actually they're generally decent houses that need some work. If you are close enough to a town you get sewer and water access otherwise you need a septic tank and a well. Preferably not close together. There is no public transportation out here except for the CADC busses that take old people to the pharmacy, and we're in the Ouachita mountains so most of us don't have to worry about flooding. You nailed the main problem with the lack of jobs. There are four places to work in this town and three of them are family owned and operated. On the other hand we're at nearly 700 feet above sea level so it's a better long term bet than Florida...

@dakunssd 3 жыл бұрын

@@revwroth3698 Well water? How is the E. coli contamination in rural Arkansas?

@lucindabreeding 3 жыл бұрын

Right? The least expensive houses in America tend to be in already de-populated rural areas where job prospects are pretty grim. Okay, so you can afford the house, but does this mean you can afford to have a child? I feel like the incredible surge in housing costs is probably the chief reason more women of childbearing age are delaying pregnancy or opting out of second and third pregnancies altogether. I think it was business journal that published a story about the pandemic creating a North American baby bust ( some economists thought the pandemic would results in at least a slight baby boom. Which makes sense in crises that are short-lived, such as power outages.) When they linked to the story on Twitter, they got ratioed by millennials yelling about isn't it responsible to delay or opt out of child rearing when you can't afford it? It was really fascinating.

@redrick8900 3 жыл бұрын

@@dakunssd Actually here are plenty of good houses available in the US for that price range.

@hermeskun3274 2 жыл бұрын

So, I went to Google, found a home listing website, and searched for houses in Louisiana that cost, at mx, $20k. Toy surprise... That guy wasn't bullshitting, there's like, a dozen homes that are under 10k for sale even, just on the one site that I used. Edit: Upon closer examination, most of those "houses" seem to be barely standing shacks.

@amazinhaydz2032 3 жыл бұрын

That's probably one of the best thumbnails I've ever seen

@rexstout8177 3 жыл бұрын

His motives are not pecuniary. He's motivated by his desire to sort out the deserving and undeserving... according to his feelings. He feels mortgage subsidies are rewarding good people. Not bad people. It's the bad people who do the bad things. He's a good person you see. He doesn't (can't) breed.

@jadlad9666 11 ай бұрын

when he said "one kid became a hitman" I spit out my drink lmao what are you talking about

@seanpatrick1243 3 жыл бұрын

I originally wrote what a waste of time, but it does highlight what an irrationally punitive society America is. Most Americans who have never lived outside the US, and even some that have, are oblivious to this point.

@jpmojo 3 жыл бұрын

Matt hit the nail on the head regarding anyone choosing to have children. I was told by a colleague years before I got married when I said we are waiting to afford children. His exact words, “ you will probably never be able afford to, you have children because you wan to have them”.

@ygolonacable 3 жыл бұрын

I guess his point was the woman wouldn't have given birth to a future hitman if she only had 6 kids?

@accussednerfherder 3 жыл бұрын

I hear “of a kind” and I know something stupid is about to be said

@chrishale5213 3 жыл бұрын

Easiest way to bring the birth rate down? Deliver well funded and adequate education to more working class and poor populations. Provide regulation so women can have access to equal pay for equal work. Provide economic opportunities to communities so that people who want to grow in careers that bring meaning like medicine, social work, childcare, education and community service can. If you do this and provide free healthcare at the point of service so that more young girls have access to preventative care, you'll bring the birth rate down. Economic Opportunity through education will do it without punishing or regulating individual behaviors. Social regulation will just lead to backlash.

@karabritton3635 3 жыл бұрын

Manipulation if the birth rate will cause problems such as aging population look at china

@redrockcrf4663 3 жыл бұрын

What do people learn in school these days?? It has been well known for decades that people have fewer children as their economic prospects improve, not because they choose not to have children. I hear so many people get this ass-backward all the time....

@Brett_S_420 3 жыл бұрын

There are lots of people who need help and lots of lots of people who want to help other people. More help for people costs less than what business and the rich receive or save in all the different ways they are catered to.

@Unhingedanduninformed 3 жыл бұрын

Caller: here’s my very unique situation about a relative with too many kids and one is a hitman. We shouldn’t allow people to be financially irresponsible when it comes to welfare and kids. Response: here’s my own personal experience explaining why unless you’re very rich most middle-class people are not “ready for the financial burden and implications“ of having a child of their own. This is why welfare and assistance is important. Caller: well, that’s a nonstarter argument. And what, your incredibly unique situation you referred to about a family member having so many kids and one of them turned out to be a hitman is something we should take as gospel as to why social programs are bad?

@IshtarNike 3 жыл бұрын

My mind is always blown by people who genuinely think you can just "financial responsibility" yourself into wealth.

@nobodyherepal3292 3 жыл бұрын

(Sigh) why must callers like this make my state look so bad?

@dalton6345 3 жыл бұрын

Let's not beat around it. This is a eugenics argument

@acegikm 3 жыл бұрын

I don't see the point of talking down to callers who are respectful and polite, even if they have pathetic opinions. People will be more open minded if they don't feel shamed.

@hankhill6252 3 жыл бұрын

Really? That's your issue with this call?

@marc.levinson 3 жыл бұрын

This dude is basically Thanos.

@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 3 жыл бұрын

When Off cam Matt feels the need to step in, it usually means you effed up lol

@Seattle-2017 11 ай бұрын

9:10 "Where can you purchase home for $20 - 25K" "All over the place, in almost every parish.... Yeah, OK. I mean in every flood zone, in a single wide, 50 year old trailer with no running water or AC."

@aaronsmith9823 3 жыл бұрын

Centrist are so enthusiastic it’s tiring

@ketopapito9823 3 жыл бұрын

Lol what in the actual f*** is this man on....

@pranays 3 жыл бұрын

On some Candice Owens

@StoveToTheFace 3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad Matt could understand this person enough to somewhat talk to him lol.

@pluto9000 3 жыл бұрын

but Is this even youtube worthy?

@StoveToTheFace 3 жыл бұрын

@@pluto9000 KZfaq worthy is a extremely low bar. I think it's worthy because it gives insight into how crazy we are due to propaganda.

@oddjam 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah he did great imo.

@stephylashizz7779 3 жыл бұрын

People would rather regulate the wombs, diets and financial autonomy of poor people than tax the rich and redistribute wealth.... something that would absolutely benefit them as well.

@poverty 3 жыл бұрын

Antidotes are pointless. If he had a stronger argument than he would be worth hearing.

@ravenlong9521 Жыл бұрын

No I believe he's stating if you can't afford them you shouldn't be able to have them

@wilhelmheinzerling5341 3 жыл бұрын

Louisiana.... not suprised by this video...

@SgtWicket 3 жыл бұрын

This guy’s argument is so scattered. Every time he is asked to simplify his position he jumps to new topics.

@jckosnow 3 жыл бұрын

Ty for making some kind of sense of that guy Brandon 🙏

@darrellmay4502 3 жыл бұрын

It's a shack, not a House!, Lol's

@Deemo202 3 жыл бұрын

I had no idea that Binder had kids lol

@honey-bagder3451 3 жыл бұрын

Did he come up with that word himself? "Depopulationist"?

@edgarbachman9037 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, I googled it and was like “what the fuck, thats a thing?’ And there weren’t even any results

@KingJT80 3 жыл бұрын

trust me this dude isnt smart enough for that. sounds like some 4chan stormfront shit...

@brothermine2292 3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps the caller would have explained what he meant by "depopulationist" if the MR show had enough time to ask him. Maybe they should have asked him that early, because his answer might have clarified what he was trying to say but never said clearly.

@savannarbananar 3 жыл бұрын

@@KingJT80 yep. “Depopulation” is a thing and I bet somewhere on 4chan or 8kun, or whatever the f*ck it’s called now 🙄, he saw someone put the “-ist” on it and thought it was a real ideology. 🙄🤦🏻‍♀️

@KingJT80 3 жыл бұрын

@@brothermine2292 he couldn't explain it even if he wanted to but It would have been fun to hear him try and explain it so we can see how much of a sociopath he really is

@isaiahsleepyperez6233 3 жыл бұрын

Emma's body language is the best lmao. Just gives the vibe of 'seriously, what the fuck are you talking about'

@80sChick80s 3 жыл бұрын

There's no home in Louisiana for sale for 20K that's legally livable 🙄

@ChewyThomson 2 жыл бұрын

Also like...look at the scale of people abusing welfare vs. corporate handouts? Like, how can you even reasonably compare the two?

@kr00m 3 жыл бұрын

“If you own your own home…” You don’t own your home until the mortgage is paid off. The average US mortgage length is 30 years. So even if a 20 yr old purchases a home, as the caller is suggesting, they cannot have kids until they’re 50. The 2007 mortgage illustrates, ‘homeowners’ can easily become an unplanned 'financial risk’ as Matt was trying to allude to. They were priced out of their new mortgages rates and foreclosure occurred.