I find it crazy - people claiming how bright their TVs go , and they watch in a reasonably lit room . That should just be for convenience and stuff like Sports , News , kids cartoons etc ( bright images ) where dark scenes , and infinite contrast don't matter . HDR is mastered for dark room viewing . If you have a TV that can do 0-10 000 Nits - if WILL always have less contrast if watched in a bright room compared to a 0-1000NIts TV watched in a dark room . The lifted blacks will be bad and it's impossible to overcome in a bright room . Would you watch a movie with a vacuum cleaner going? , so why watch on a movie on an expensive TV in UHD HDR in a bright room . If you want a TV for bright room viewing get a kick ass big Mini-LED at 98"

@@nimblegoatYou’re totally right. I have a LG CX and have never played on it in a bright room, a dark room is always superior for brightness and contrast.

Innovation SUCKS !

​@@nimblegoatpeople don't like that HDR is designed for a dark room. I don't have a movie theater in my house even if I tried. Are your walls and furniture black?

@@eslamarida -I keep needing to upgrade my TV and keep holding it off . The G4 83" will be silly price in my country , though who knows. So I think for me a 77" Z93A Panasonic , or a 83 C4, or a Sony A80N 83" would all be great . All have there advantages . all 3 great upscaling . Yes I don't get best BT2020 or MLA+ /QDOLED nit boost , But given I prefer older SDR movies as well and I watch in dark room . All 3 will hit or better the 1000NITS . Larger size will better higher NITS as most common owner's response . Plus still allows a great deal on a 55" in say 3 years as another option that can hit higher volume/NIts. Plus if the TV I buy looks great, that will not change it better TVs come out ( most important point ) , Plus I will build a new PC in 2 or 3 years - that monitor will be fantastic

The S95C does not look clear; it has a huge big reflection of the ring light right in the middle. Very distracting. Hard to focus on what you're actually trying to watch. Spreading the same amount of light over a larger area will always be better. Of course, what's shown in the video is an extreme case, and there's a much better way to solve it: turn off the damn light. But if that's not possible, spreading out the reflection as much as possible will make it minimally distracting.

​@@karlhendriksethis this coating effects its dark room performance as well.

@@karlhendrikseif you turn off the light the glossy is even more superior lmao

Doesnt matter even if u remove it it has the one connect box which mena u cant do gaming on it, so it has 144hz for no reason. 😂 samsung really shit themself

What do you mean ​@sidewayssingh

I noticed. The matte screen only managed to spread out the light shining on it, whereas the glossy one did not...

I agree, but the main cause is of course the strong ring light aimed straight at the display. I don't think the glossy looks any better in this extreme scenario, the ring is also very annoying.

Perceived contrast is not as big of an issue as the reflected light where your eyes shift focus. Many of us in darker countries like to watch tv with the daylight filling the room

@@18yearsoldnot For that purpose you might as well buy a LED TV. A matte coating ruins the image quality benefits and selling points of an OLED.

@@MA-jz4yc only a bit. I have had both IPS and va tvs before

The light is always diffused. It's just more obvious on a glossy surface, where the light source is mirrored.

Go enjoy your philips then. Lol

@@ashokathegreat4534America so we only have Samsung and Sony

@@langstonbelin Panasonic and Pioneer for me

Because glossy coating sucks? “If aint broke, break it” - Consumers wanting inferior OLED junk that doesn’t last long

​@christophervanzetta no sorry mate glossy coating actually boosts colour and screen vibrancy this anti-glare coating actually dulls the overall screen vibrancy as on the S24 ultra

@@christophervanzettayou are not in the majority. Your opinions on TVs are hilarious really. You enjoy your matted lcds we’ll stick with glossy OLEDs thank you.

@@enzog1078 considering that about 95%+ gaming laptop screens have matte screens, he's in vast majority, unfortunately. Which is why we pretty much don't have a choice these days. Among 16:10 monitors there also pretty much no glossy models.

@@TabalugaDragon hardly think laptop monitors are the same thing as flagship consumer TVs, but even modern monitors are moving to glossy panels thankfully. OLED laptops are also starting to crop up which is great.

to me too, but in my case to not buy it...I really didnt liked the image result in the matte finish, in a dark room I'll only loose quality with no gain...

How do you liked it? Been looking at it for a week cus im getting one soon prob in 2-3 weeks that s89c 77inch

I was going to get a Sony A80L , I'm now thinking of the S89C because the price is just insane. How do you like it?

If course it doesn't look good if you are thinking about how good the the coating and the reflections look. But the entire point is that you don't want to think about those things; you want to watch the movie or play the game or whatever. "The contrast isn't so great" is a hell of a lot better than "look I can see myself in the screen, hi me".

@@karlhendrikseno shot. It’s bad every time. Gross really.

non-alcoholic beer is fine with a vodka top-up 🥴🍺 Glossy is definitely better for deep blacks and I watch most HDR content at night

@@karlhendrikseif there is lighting that you cannot control, you might as well get an mini LED already with higher peak brightness. Put a new 2024 OLED and then destroying the blacks, what is the point of the OLED anymore?

Gag so much

@MirelRC: That's what the Samsung representative at the Frankfurt event told us, although it may be lost in translation.

Yes, Q70T/A/B/C is trash for money

@@the_guganez yeah. Usually, Q80 is closer to Q70 and it's better.

​@@hdtvtest Hello Sony x80L or Samsung Q80C plz ??

​@@MirelRC Hello Sony x80L or Samsung Q80C plz ?

I'm actually surprised reading comments in this video of how many people dislike matte. Why then we have pretty much exclusively matte screens on gaming laptops(as opposed to office laptops which have a glossy coating way more often) and 16:10 screens? I just don't get it. There seems to be the public outcry for glossy displays in the last few years, yet next to zero glossy options in many big screen segments 🤷‍♂

Glad I didn’t wait

Yep my s95c had it

And that's on top of QD-OLED already having worse blacks than LCD (with ambient light in the room)

I will not go anywhere near it.

Only the s95d does (they are trying to see if people want it if so they will keep it next year) but the s90d is glossy

@@nttinvis what even is this comment?

I want a matte screen. Well, I'm not keen on the internal reflection stuff. If it compromises picture quality in a pitch black room then I'm not keen. But I'd definitely rather diffuse reflections than sharp reflections of bright things in the room.

Hopefully they’ll have both the S95D and S90D to show the differences and why the matte screen is not worth the trade off.

Had it and had black screen every 5 seconds gaming

Won’t the s90d be a good value? S90d has similar brightness and better processor than s95c.

​@@manyakgaming1346sounds like a faulty unit.

​@@iubball410good point. If it has the same coating as the S95D it will still be a red flag though. In any case, the S95C can now be had for a cheap price, so it can still be worth it. I use the video processing on my PC and don't rely too much on the TV to do it. The TV's kinda sucks.

Oddly, the S24 (at least the Ultra version does) screen looks washed out, compared to last year, even when one chooses vivid mode. Seems Samsung wants to tone down the colors

@@guadalupe8589 i think its just the new anti reflection coating they're using

Yeah I've just found it handy when I'm watching a movie to just stop walking around with a bright circle light, now I just sit on the sofa with no light and it's fine.

Best thing is that they consider this muddy look better than one clean reflection? ahahaha samsung becoming dumber and dumber

They also have s90d??

Well they still have a glossy model

@@nttinvis The S95D has a glossy version? If not, my point still stands since that’s their top of the line model. It’s like having your only options being: a Ferrari with shit permanently smeared into the paint or a corvette but has no shit smeared all over it. It’s just bad.

@@lllULTIMATEMASTERlll s95d is crasy expensive anyway dont see that many people buying it plus the 3rd gen panel is barely brighter but needed to compensate for matte screen (they are trying it this year i assume it will fail or hopefully optional next year)

Yesssiir getting that in 2-3 weeks my very first oled in 77inch 🥹

@@Watever310 amazing TV. Loving it

LG G4 OLED WILL DESTROY THIS SAMSUNG TV

No

Not only is that an outright lie, but it’s got jack to do with the video, troll.

@@JonPais How is it a lie? I'm not trolling, just pointing out why monitors using LG panels don't have VESA DisplayHDR certifications. VESA's requirements state that for a full white screen, you need 250 nits of combined R+G+B color luminance to qualify for their HDR400 or True Black 400 certifications, and LG monitors using WOLED panels are incapable of achieving that since they only do 250 nits with the white subpixel. It is relevant to the video because Vincent incorrectly stated that WOLED monitors don't get this certification because of low full-screen brightness, but it's actually due to color luminance.

@@konga382 Current LG RGBW monitors do continue to receive VESA DisplayHDR certification. But it’s got jack to do with the video.

90D doesnt even guarantee u to get QD OLED 😅, 90C is always QD. I highly doubt D is better than C 🤷‍♂️

@@grantorino9049That can’t be true. I know you’re not exactly enamored of Samsung-fair enough-but making an unnecessarily confusing marketplace even less clear doesn’t help the cause of shedding more light. As I understand it (which is to say: enormous grain of salt) the *initial* 90Ds -may- be the same QD-OLED screens as used in the 90Cs (until stock runs out) at which time the nee 90D screens will be invisibly slipped into manufacturing. Now don’t get me wrong. If true that enormously sucks and is (IMO) colossally stupid of Samsung. The obvious way to handle the situation would have been to use only the new screens on the new product-protecting brand and consumer confidence-and using the older screens on a lesser product which may, therefore, have some “unexpectedly” better parts used-and just delay manufacturer discounts to move stock a few months to recoup costs. Assuming you have the warehouse space everybody wins. But this scenario takes something the Koreans (and Japanese) used to have before becoming slaves to stockholders-just like US companies-vision and room to act in support of the company long-term. But I think I digress… My question remains: absent (!) the latest generation screen, is their a meaningful difference between the 90C and 90D? Let me perl a layer back on my thinking. I had all bu decided to get a 77 95C-but the order got screwed up! So now the D line is out. Get the 95? Wait for the D? All everyone talks about is the 95D screen-not the considerably cheaper 90D. And not a word about the digital processing). Truth to tell I’ve started to reconsider getting the Sony x77a95l but it is out of stock everywhere, by console is only 60” wide (no problem for the pedestal Samsung). And audio is a significant consideration. I had the top Samsung Atmos sound-bar included with the 95c. There isn’t an equivalent with the Sony. So…

LG G4 OLED WILL DESTROY THIS SAMSUNG TV

Probably it will be similar to S90C, by first using up remaining second gen panels and then switching to third gen. Unless Samsung decides to continue making second gen panels for whatever reason.

According to the video: yes, most likely. 00:57

​@@exscape*I'm talking about the S90D not the S95D.*

This is sh*t. I am waiting to buy a 3rd gen QD-OLED panel. How they heck do they get away with *NOT telling you what the heck they are using?!😡😡*

Its a 2nd gen panel s90d* 3rd gen is small improvement mostly for the ew matte model that you need higher brightness to compensate for less light pass through on matte

Mid April

Indeed. Even glossy OLEDs have bad real-life contrast (not to be confused with PR “infinite contrast” BS) because they often lack polarisers, so they reflect back crazy amounts of incoming light, if used not in complete darkness. This is because the actual display matrix is a huge number of metal wires, so it is a mirror. Matte OLEDs are even way worse than that.

What’s OCB?

One connect box = ocb. People that get samsung usually know the acronym because so many of their TVs break because of it (mine included).

​@@zacharyspencer2285we have Had Our q8fn for 5 years and nothing has broken.

Glad I've seen someone else say this. That box is the absolute worse. The amount of times that has caused me to lose connection to the screen whilst using an external device via HDMIS

My original One Connect Box with S95C 65" dropped every incoming signal. Samsung couldn't send out a replacement One Connect Box so they swapped the entire unit. The new S95C 65" and One Connect Box is perfect. 4K120Hz/4K144Hz, HDR, ALLM, and VRR feels fantastic with my PS5, XSX, and 3090 Gaming PC.

It’s called MicroLED, Rockefeller…