Thank you so much. God bless you

Awesome thanks for sharing

Awesome! Glad to hear that.. God bless you

Thank you very much. God bless you

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This bow is definitely a step up from the x8. It's a very different feel though too.

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Be prepared for a radically different feeling bow. The draw cycle is very aggressive compared to the x8. You may need to shoot lower draw weight on the Dragon 10 to compensate for the added difficulty in drawing it back. The Dragon 10 is also harder to tune for fixed blade broadheads flight.

I would get the dragon x9 or x8 for your wife. They have a much smoother draw cycle. This bow has. A very aggressive draw cycle so is not as comfortable for a beginner.

@seansoutdoors thank you brother. I'll be looking at them. I truly appreciate it sir. I how you and the family had a blessed Thanksgiving

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Thanks for watching, Mark.

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Thanks brother. I still am waiting to learn the price

No, you need a bow press for this one

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Yes! Next week, $499. I'm going to post a video next week on more detail specs

$499.99. scheduled to release next week

It's not as smooth drawing as Xpedition. I would like a little more round back end of the draw cycle. I've requested to them that they smooth out the back end of the draw cycle a little. They are considering it, but it would be down the road if they did it.

@@seansoutdoors The comment straw that broke the camel's back; I've had the DLX for a little over a week now and what an absolute beast, especially coming from a 1998 Browning Backdraft! Thanks for the feedback.

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I'd say it has many aspects that are better than others in it's price point but the draw cycle is much different (more aggressive) than comparibly prices bows. Most bows in the process range try to appeal to newer archers so have a smoother draw cycle that will also be slower. Also, this is a machined riser which bows typically won't have in this price point.

Most people in your position go with the 27 to 30 in case they ever want to sell it they will have a much larger audience of buyers as the most common draw lengths are below 30 inches

I would recommend the x8 or x9. They have a much smoother draw cycle!

It feels different than the Hoyt's that had a hybrid cam system. It reminds me more of an APA feel. The draw weight stays high till the very end and it doesn't have the valley feel that the Hoyt's did. The limb stops are built like Xpedition so you can tune these differently than you could with Hoyt's. So from that perspective I'd say this bow is more of a cross between and APA and Xpedition as opposed to an older Hoyt that used a hybrid cam.

@@seansoutdoors cheers mate. Think I’ll I known up When they are available in Australia.

It's much different. It's a lot faster shooting but it comes with a much more aggressive draw cycle

Have you looked on their website?

I tend to use 340 spine. Check out this short video for some ideas. Also, I don't use cheap arrows. I tend to spend a little more to get good quality. I like Gold Tip the best. kzfaq.infogdInGbMOppI?feature=share

Hmmmmm, maybe look at Diamond bows and see if Bear has a left handed model.

Well, it's easier to find right handed bows for sure, but you'd have to shoot with your left eye closed..you can do it, that's what I do, but it's generally preferred to be able to shoot with both eyes open. If you decided to get a dragon 10 just know that it feels nothing like the x8. It's a much more radical draw cycle.

@@seansoutdoors thank you, do they sell left-handed dragon ?

I do not think so. I know they do not sell left handed x8s, so I am guessing the same is true for the 10s.

I am still waiting on those details. I thought it would have been out by now, but they are still working on things after the last round of suggestions I made.

Bearings in the cam where the axle runs through if that's what you are referring to. Easy to tune field points, but not fixed blade broadheads. Parts you'd order from them

I think all the options are good. The PSE is a nice bow and single cam so you don't need to worry about cams going out of syncronization. The dragon x8 is also a great bow for the price. Go with your gut and you should be fine. God bless you

@@seansoutdoors Appreciate the Quick answer. There is quite a significant price difference between the X8 and Stinger. X8 is half the price of the Stinger ATK Pro bundle here where I live.

Yes, there is. God bless you

Expedition archery has a lot of bows on sale currently, just purchased the mountaneerX. Very smooth and no vibration for a 340IBO bow with a 7 in brace height $500 sale price 🎉

No I do not have one

I guess it depends on what weight you would plan to shoot it at. If you normally shoot 70 lb and want to shoot this bow around 65 then you would probably want the 70 lb limb. However, if you're only going to shoot 63 lb or less then go with the 50 to 60 lb limb. I have had some that register 63 lb even though it was a 60 lb limb. It simply depends on where the cables are set, meaning, if they're a little bit shorter or longer than manufacturer specifications.

Do you have someone locally you can take it to for tuning?

Sorry, I don't. I thought it would have been out by now but it's not. It sometimes takes them a week to get back to me when I email them.

I would guess they would have that on their website somewhere

I'm still waiting for them to announce that detail.

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You tighten the limb bolts. The limb bolt is the bolt where the limbs meet the riser. It usually requires a large sized Allen wrench (sometimes referred to as a hex wrench) to turn it.

@@seansoutdoors Oh, ok so like any other bow.

I say it in the video and also show it on the chart.

Either will do the job. If you want to spend less then x8.

@@seansoutdoors Thanks, ordered the x8 yesterday. really looking forward to get going. Appreciate all the work you have done covering this bow, cant wait to silence the office crowd that laughed at me.

Enjoy the journey, and tune out the laughers. God bless you.

I am not sure but I think they are working on some supply details or something. It's supposed to be out soon though.

@@seansoutdoors thank you

Sounds like they are close to releasing the Dragon 10. I got an email from them yesterday saying they were close. I asked them to let me know as soon as they decide so I can upload a video and let everyone know who has been waiting.

Yes on the medium cam but it was 70 pound limbs - Dragon 10 Compound Bow Review kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y5uVgtKgus-rYZc.html

TRU Ball short n sweet.

It has to do with the string and cable lengths. If you shorten the cables a little it increases the draw weight...

@seansoutdoors thank you can they be twisted up a bit? Thanks for the content

Correct, add twist.

Bowtech on performance setting for draw cycle.

I prefer the speed of the 10 but the 8 tunes much easier for shooting fixed blade broadheads. I’ve been unable to get good flight with fixed blades from the 10. The 8 is also way smoother.

@@seansoutdoors thank you. 8 it is =)

Yes, as I showed in this video this bow goes to 32 in

oh no, CHINESE?

Yes

Any custom string maker can make them

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Send me an email through my website and I will forward it to my contact

I sent it to you. Let me know if you received it.

The email I sent was returned. Also, there was not a place on your website to send an email.

I did not receive an email from you. You have to fill out the contact form.

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Very very different. Elite does not employ a hybrid cam system whereas this bow is. Elites have a much smoother draw cycle and might get be slightly slower. Elite also need shimming as opposed to twisting yokes for tuning ….

That is good to know. Thank you. This helped me make up my mind on which bow I'm getting. I have the dragon X8 and love that bow, but it's time to upgrade.

My experience is that they did not pre stretch the string and cables so I've had to constantly retune this bow. When it goes out of tune the arrows hit very differently. When the bow is in tune it's accurate though, just been a massive pain re-tuning this thing, sometimes multiple times in one week. I'm getting sick of it. Better string and cables would make a big difference.

Yes, but you would need to make sure it is one that would be compatible with the riser. Not all would definitely fit.

@@seansoutdoors I was looking at one of the tight spot two piece ones do you think maybe that would fit ?

It may. There is a spot with threaded holes on the riser that it may be able to screw into.

@@seansoutdoors ok thank you

I hunt and shoot with my quiver on and stabilizers so it doesn't feel any different to me than any of my other bows

My friend, do you have any idea how long it takes to make one draw curve? You have to put the bow on a draw board, crank it one inch and then sit there and wait for the weight to stabilize and give you an accurate reading. When it eventually does, you have to log the data onto a data sheet. You then crank to the next inch mark and wait. When it stabilizes, you can log the data on your data sheet. Then you crank to the next inch mark and wait. After a while it stabilizes and gives you an accurate reading and you can log the data. Then you can crank to the next inch and wait. You do this over and over and over till you reach the end of the draw length. Once all the data is gathered and put into a spreadsheet, you then have to go in and highlight the sells you want to use to make a chart. Once you have that, you then need to export the chart in PDF. Once in PDF, you then need to convert it to a JPG so that it can be usable in the video editing software. This means you need to open another program to convert the image and crop it and size it so that it will fit into a video frame. Then you bring that into the video, and it still does not fit perfectly so then you need to manipulate the image all over in the editing. That is all for one draw length. If making youtube videos was my full time job and I had all the time in the world to make draw force curves for every single draw length of every single bow I test, I would love to. But don't forget to do that, in addition to everything I already mentioned, I have to change the draw length each time. Depending on the design of the bow, it can require a bow press and be a little bit of a process just to change the draw length. If you want to pay me to do the type of extensive reveiew with draw force curves for every draw length I would be happy to do that, but right now, youtube is demonitizing my channel and making it harder for people to find it and my subscribers keep disappearing and then writing to me saying that youtube keeps taking my channel off their subscribe list and then they cannot find my channel when searching for it. Some people have told me this means that youtube has shadow banned my channel and is trying to squash it without letting me know that is what they are doing. In other words, it does not make sense for me to put all the time and effort into doing what you are asking. I am just an average guy with four children and I have a lot going on. Again, if you want to hire me full time to make videos full time so that I can justify spending that much time on every video, then I would be happy to do that, but as it stands, I cannot justify that much time and effort, especially since youtube is essentially squashing my channel as it is. God bless you.

@@seansoutdoorsnot sure how to reply concerning the money making possibilities all you KZfaq posters have, nor do I know anything about KZfaq blocking content of anyone’s channel as I have no subscription to YT but have no problem finding you. I do feel you give good and honest bow reviews, but in general, all of you guys are leaving out at least 50% of viewership by posting only reviews of the highest poundage options of any bow you review. So maybe a full spreadsheet and draw power curve is too much to ask for, but maybe throw in speeds of the bow at its different power settings and draw lengths. Can’t say that this would or would not be beneficial but the manufactures don’t tell you this info so it would be nice for those reviewing the bows would review the bow at its full range and if it has 2-3 models, include date from those. Heck, you are getting paid for posting on KZfaq, correct?

It all comes back to time it takes to make reviews. I make very detailed reviews when I can. I will try to make a review on all the draw lengths if or when I can, but it won't happen right now because I cannot make the time to do it. I make very little on KZfaq. Regarding the testing at high poundage, the reason why I do the testing I do is that the ATA specification standards for determining bow speed is at 70 pounds and 30 inch draw. That is why I do my testing there. It is so that viewers can see what my data looks like compared to what this bow advertises as well as what other bows advertise as their ATA (Archery Trade Association) specifications are.

@@seansoutdoorsI can understand your point for sure. I have ordered the X10, coming tomorrow. Small cam with 50-60lb. How low is the absolute lowest this can go, just curious. I can pull 50 ok now but would feel better at 45ish….

I would not go lower that the advertised range

I'm still waiting

Yeah it's not bad at all

The riser on the 10 is machined, which is a much more rigid riser made from a much more labor intensive and expensive process. There is also a lot more material in the riser of the 10. That's one major contributing factor.

@@seansoutdoors That probably wouldn't make enough difference for a guy like me to notice I don't imagine

They are also extremely different in the draw cycle and speed, but that does not have to do with the materials that contribute to a price difference. The Dragon 10 is significantly faster shooting, but it also has a much more radical draw cycle. The Dragon 10 also is a hybrid cam system as opposed to a double cam system like the Dragon X8. This means that the tuning approach is different and the ability of the Dragon 10 to stay in synchronization is a little better than the x8 due to the incorporation of a control cable that slaves the two cams together. In other words, these bows are extremely different, and if you like the smooth feel of the x8, you would not like the aggressive draw cycle of the 10.

@@seansoutdoors That makes sense, I definitely like the smooth draw of the X8 , I'll probably buy another one & just put it away for hard times

That's what I thought when they sent me a prototype. I told them to make sure they are not infringing on the APA patent.. they apparently said they checked it and it's not.

Awesome. God bless you.

@@seansoutdoors bow came in today, so far very very impressed. it feels lighter than 7lb, very stable and solid back wall. great find.

quick question, dragon 10b was shooting great. started bare shaft tuning again cuz groups at 50 yards were 10-15 inches and am having a severe nock low tear, like arrow is 45 degrees pointing down in target. cam timing is spot on, arrow is parrallel through berger hole. i tried lowring rest and bringing up d loop. any ideas what else to check?

Have you tried adjusting cam lean? I had a similar tear and put some cam lean in, which solved it but I figured other people may have some challenges. I reported that same thing to sanlida. I am going to experiment with shimming the bottom cam to see what that does to the whole process. If I find a shim configuration that works better than the current one, for overall tuning, then I am going to let them know and recommend they change that detail. Email me through my website so that we can stay in touch on it and I can more easily update you on that. It is really difficult to sift through all the comments on here and find responses to old comments. God bless you.

i had it bare shaft tuned pretty close already, when i went back to adjust a bit more i noticed the huge nick down. the top cam did rub on the cables just a tad mid draw, will adjust for that next. thanks again

Sorry that KZfaq is doing that

@@seansoutdoors me too!

Yes many have said that

Thanks, brother. I hope that it continues. God's will be done, and God bless you and Jarrah.

God bless mate. Thanks again 🐕🚶‍♂️🌄🇦🇺

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Thanks. I'd say it maybe feels a little like some of the turbo bows Hoyt was putting out years ago, but even at that it's still a different feel. Reminds me of my APA Mamba I had, only this is a hybrid cam system. Mamba was duel cam with duel yokes so there was nothing to slave the cams together for synchronization.