सामाजिक और शैक्षिक रूप से पिछड़ा कौन है ? इस पर बहस होनी चाहिए।

rakesh sinha ji described the rrs view very clearly...

The real problem is fight for limited opportunity between RICH URBAN upper castes and POOR RURAL upper castes. 1)50% out of 100% seats are reserved (sc,st,obc) and those from sc,st,obc who get enogh marks to secure admission through general category opt for that so even that remaining 50% gets reduced. 2)for that remaining seats POOR RURAL CLASS have face competition from RICH URBAN CLASS which has better facilities like better (private) schools and colleges, tuitions, study material, better guidance etc. where as the POOR RURAL CLASS has low quality (govt.) schools and no colleges, less study material, no tuitions no guidance etc. and in addition to that they have to face everyday hurdles like no electricity.So, obiviously only few from POOR RURAL CLASS get admitted to courses like engg., medical, law, CA etc. and remaining get either no employment or underemployment in agriculture. 3)Today OBC category from rural area is ALMOST same in economical condition compared to upper castes but they get slight higher chances due to reservation. thats why youth from upper castes in rural area is demanding reservation by adding them in OBC category. Looking at current scenario, one can say it's gonna take long time for POOR RURAL CLASS to get facilities comparable to urban class.So their demand of adding them in OBC category seems legit.

good debate but distracted by politics. My view below ,for those looking for substantial points. 1. The PURPOSE of caste and socio-educational based reservation is SOCIAL JUSTICE NOT POVERTY ALLEVIATION or economic justice, for which various govt programs are already on ground for decades. With changing socio -economic scenario of country, under effect of privatization and globalization, inequality has increased, squeezing space for development and economic security for everyone. So, ECONOMIC CRITERIA BECOMES NECESSARY TOO for affirmative policy action but it SHOULD NOT BE CONFUSED with reservation for social justice. THEREFORE,for socio-economic equality, INSTEAD of talking of scraping reservation, we need : a) to RE-LOOK into problem of economic model of development that is increasing inequality. b) Secondly, find and cure the reasons for ineffectiveness of economic empowerment and poverty alleviation programs(corruption, illiteracy ,faulty structure of programs, fiscal limitations, lack of awareness etc) 2. DO WE NEED TO END RESERVATION? _ NO. Reservation policy has not gained substantially till day because of its structural weakness i.e only the better off people among reserved categories ,generation over generation, have gained majorly leaving vast portion still at bottom. SO, MODIFICATION in reservation method is justified so all among reserved get their chance , like ' CREAMY LAYER' EXCLUSION. 3. Reservation should be effective in CAPACITY BUILDING than mere entitlement. There is huge gap between opportunity and achievement. RESERVATION WITHOUT good health, sanitation and BASIC quality educational level is USELESS. 4. PROBLEM OF INCREASING DEMAND FOR RESERVATION (like Patels, Gujjars, Jats etc) is symptom of JOBLESS GROWTH model and MISGUIDED HATRED/OBSESSION for reservation policy. HENCE, focus should be on a) linking basic education with vocational education, skill development with industrial needs etc b) wealth creation along with wealth distribution among all weaker sections, i.e promote MSMEs c) Ways to increase entrepreneurship among youth. d) Delinking politics from development.

Jo loag samaj me pichde hn unko siksha k leye subhidhayen uplabdh krana chye naki ayogya logon ko desh ki kaman dedena chye..... Desh k hit k leye yea zaruri hi k sabhi ko mukh dhara me laya jaye chahe vo kisi v jati dhrm k loag ho.... PR kisksi v vibhag me selection yogyata k aadhar PR hi hona chye...

Sb log reservation dijiye Aur hm log mangal grah pr chale jate hain.

Yar Pura castism hi khatm Karo. Jiske ma, bap dono government me Hai unka to khatm Karo.

Define backwardness... What is backwardness??? Just a surname?? A baby born today in Apollow super specialty suite with a Surname belongs to SC is backward??? Now time has come for SC/ST to do something for the nation...

Chandrabhan Ji your are really great thinker. Even belonging from General caste I strongly support your intellectual level.

Reservation their now birth right till death. We are suffering what our ancestor had done before. Will suffer till our successor became Backward. Why Reservation is not politics because we are easy target. Ask B.R Ambedkar : - What is our fault we never discriminated anyone and if we discriminate anyone than You can take action according to law punish that person. And if you can't punish than it's failure of that government. 74th year later Me to B.R. Ambedkar : - We are talking about Reservation reform reason because of you Their condition changes in span of time. In 74 years of independence, Are we in position somewhere now that we could say the individual who get benefited from reservation no more needed it. But We couldn't say to Ambedkar Reservation Is part of politics and politics will never be ended. For leader reservation Is like nuclear bomb you can even touch reservation.

आरक्षण अधिकार नहीं है बल्कि एक संवैधानिक सुविधा है।

आरक्षण समाज में बराबर भागीदारी की वयवस्था है

STOP THE RESERVATION

Bahut achi behas h Par ek truth batau Jab tak ek swarn swarn rahega Tab tak ek dalit dalit rahega . Yaar dalit ke ghar ja ke khana sab kha sakte h thoda dalit ko apne ghar bulao usko dinner table pe khilao usko makhmal ke bistar pe sulao . . Bahut ekta or avsar or naukari ki baat ho rahi h Ek kaam karo Intercaste marriage karo dalito ke sath phir anne vali generation m Sab bedh bhav mit jayega or koi bhi reservation ki mang nhi karega Sahab

Didn't expect Mr Verma to play the politics in this debate .

ग्रामीण क्षेत्र पर विशेष ध्यान देने की आवश्यकता है।

People like Mr Pavan K Verma make me lose faith over the selection process of Bureaucratic services in India. Pity!

आरक्षण सामाजिक आधार पर ही होना चाहिए, कयोंकि सरकारी नौकरी समाज मे पिछड़े लोगों को प्रतिष्ठा, समान ता दिलाता है.

आरक्षण एक प्रकार से समाज के उन लोगों को प्रतिनिधित्व देना है, जिनका अभी तक सभी शासकीय एवं राजनीतिक क्षेत्रों में प्रतिनिधित्व नहीं है। गरीबी हटाने का माध्यम आरक्षण नहीं है। इस बिंदु पर विचार करने की जरूरत है। जब सरकार की चारों, विधायिका, कार्यपालिका, न्यायपालिका आदि क्षेत्रों में जनसंख्या के आधार पर प्रतिनिधित्व नहीं हो जाता है तब तक आरक्षण लागू रहना चाहिए।

Sahi baat hai sangh ka swansewak bano ya mat bano depends on you Pr jaake samajhna bahut zaroori hai sangh seriously it develops truly liberal and postmodernist mind set not dividing the society It is very nice institutionl

sc/st मे भी क्रीमी लेयर का प्रावधान होना चाइये।

Sabko saman nya milna chahiye

Ultimate discussion..... Can the JDU MP (or any critics of Mohan's thought) deliver his answer to this question--- Q. How should policy be made to benefit those people who are financially backward and becoming a measure of social backwardness? Also some scheduled caste people have taken very good Job/post with the help of reservation in selection or promotion. Aren't they (or their children) hindering the way of selection of other scheduled caste people as reservation is constraint to a fixed limit based on their socio-economic condition?

this reservation will never gonna stop in India if it going to based on cast. it needs to be change now only the required people will get this it must have been for those who don't have home's food and money to spend on study

प्रश्न समान अवसरों का हैं.... आरक्षण का नहीं............. जब तक समान अवसरों की ज़मीन देश मे नहीं तैयार हो जाती तब तक आरक्षण भी रहेगा और समाज में संघर्ष भी....

65 saal se reservation vote bank ka ATM ban gaya hai n ki social economical uthaan ka aadahar | 5 saal me indian leadar apni economy 10 guna badha lete hai to 65 saal me kiyon nahin dalito/pichhado ki social economy badhi kya iske jimmedar sawarn hai?ispar manthan karne ki jarurat hai nahin to reservation social economy uthaan ki jagah naxal maowad paida karne ka karan ban sakta hai ...............

i think in present time reservation is must in india but according to economical status" not that according to education or society

sabhi ko brahmin caste ka cirtificate dedo reservation khatm ho jayega

Social justice is depends on Time-space and mentality situation .

Kya koi general category ka certificate lene ki himmat rakhta hain ?? Ek general category ka certificate hona chahiye ya nhi ??

Chandrabhan Prasad ne sahi kaha obc mein un logo ko aarakshan mil raha hain jise nhi milna chahiye.

First of all lemme tell u I m not dalit and this is my free and fair opinion, Yes we have to relook, india needs more than 90% of reservation for next 5,000 years atleast, Then only equality can prevail.

क्या सवर्ण महिलाएं शैक्षणिक रूप से पिछड़े वर्ग में नहीं है ? भारत की गुलामी के साथ महिलाएं भी घर के अंदर सिमट गई थीं । क्यों इनका कट ऑफ ज्यादा रखा जाता है और आज तक इनको अलग से आरक्षण नहीं दिया गया ?

Ambedker G ke naam per other caste kafi aage badh gaya aur unke caste ka aadmi kahi bhi nahi hai unke sath abhi bhi other caste ke log unse achoot bhavna rakhte hai, sabse pahle ambedker samaj ko aage badhya jae aur unke naam per jo benefit utha rahe hai unko esse alag kiya jae, OBC group me jo aage badh gaye jaise kurmi,yadav aur ansari caste ko reservation se bahar ker baki sabko rahne diya jae taki other caste ko phayda hoga. SC group me bhi yahi niyam lagoo kiya jae .

भागवत है कौन जो भागवत निर्देश दे रहा है। वो कोई सामाजिक संस्था या बहोत बडा संविधानविद है कौन है।

kya general cast me sabhi rich he SC or bc me sabhi poor he agar aisa nahi he to arkshan ?

We want equal opportunity for all on the basis of merits, skills and experience. How long we will discriminate others on the basis of caste categories. This is sine to grab the seat from candidate with 85% merit and put in lap of candidate with 72%.

pahle UR ki social capital ka measurement hona chahiye uska fayda economy, education ,polity and cultural har field me fayada lete hi jobs and education ki kuch seats inka bahut chhota bhag hi . privatization se reservation ki prasangikta bhi kam ho rahi hi

up na jabab da diya

Reservation is a political weapon

Nyc mam

I SUPPORT ANT RESERVATION MOVEMENT

sab saman hona bura hai kay

Jis court par lok ko vishvaas hi na ho wo court hi kya aur loktantra hi kya aur jis samvidhaan mein aise duvidha ho wo kya samvidhaan

जाति अगर जन्म से निर्धारित है कर्म से नहीं तो आरक्षण हर दलित का जन्मसिद्ध अधिकार है

arakshan main badlav toh ho sakta hain... main ek dalit hoon

what will happen when Sc community follow the bal gangadhar statement

I support SC/ST reservation but Obc reservation sahi nhi hain .

Jab log general category ka certificate lene aayenge tabhi kuchh ho sakta hain .

नमस्ते जो आरछण मौलिक अधिकार है जब देश मे आरछण लागू हुआ उस समय आबादी के हिसाब नही है कारण देश मे पचासी पर्सेंट आबादी बैकवर्ड एणड सिडूल है उनको नही मिला बैकवर्ड की संख्या बावन पर्सेंट है आऔर मिला सत्ताईस पर्सेंट केअलावा पचीस पर्सेंट कोकैसे मिलेगा इसी तरह सिडूल की संख्या पैतीस पर्सेंट है मीला सत्ताईस पर्सेन्ट तो बाकी शेष लोग कैसे मिलेगी

Jlaalat hi hai ye aarakshan byi ye tag jo baat kar rhe ho ye sach mein anattkaal tak hi rhega kyunki ismein tum jisko doshi thehra rhe ho unka koi na hatyachaar hai na apraadh hai, tum par tag kisne lgaya ye baaki wale kaise bta sakte hain jab tumhein khud bhi pta nhi aur ye bilkul galat hai ki tum us cheez ka aarop kisi par lga rhe ho uska tumhein khud bhi pta nhi par tag to really naturally lga hai jo baaki walo par nhi lga

Pr reservation kbtk desh mein rahega ? Koi tym period ha iska ?? 10 saal ko bar bar update krdiya jata ha

aarthik adhar par aarakshan bhi ekdam galat hai,kyunki log jab tax pay karne mein kotahi barat te hain to jhoothe certificate banenge. Unhen aap paisa dijiye jisse vo apne padhai jari rakhe na ki seat hi aarakshit kar do ... Naukri mein educatiobal Institutes mein...................Financial Help do naukri usko hi jo jiyada kabil hai.

सत्य है भाई।जय भी म।

Kerala me kya hai

एक तरफ कैपीसीटी बिल्डिंग की बात दूसरी तरफ प्राइवेट सेक्टर में आरक्षण नहीं है कैसे न्याय हो सकता है

abhi bhi gavo me bhedbhav jyada he

si kha

Economy par ho

reservation ka kmal dekho pawan ji ne dikha diya kya debate kiya ......

log jati she garib hote hai ya dhan doult she agar dhan doult she garib vote hai to jatigat aarakshan kyo

Kaam 20 rupaye ka noukri sifarish se 100 rupaye ki, tum bharatvasion mein berojgari aur mehangaai ki maar yhi aarakshhan maar rha hai, anyatya sarkaari noukrion mein hod nhi hoti noukrion ki aavashyak haani karane ke liye bharat sarkaar ko jiske karan fir niji logo ko bhi berojghari ki maar alag mehangaai ki alag aur angreji type taxes alag

reservation is necessary up to 100 year for development of every society

मोहन भागवत कौन है जो हमेशा इस तरह के बयान देते है वो एक सध चलाते है वही छलावे

Kya Obc pichhre hue hain ?? Kya Obc ke purush general ki mahilao se v pichhre hain ??

Kripya jaat paat ke dekh kar satah ka istemaal karna krana chhod do, noukria di kitni govt ne aur noukri ke liye niswaarth nhi paisa rakkha aur wo paisa govt ke paas aayega kahan se jo govt noukro ko diya jayega wo jaat paat se aarakshan de ke noukri de ke kya ye aarakshan asamaan durniti nhi hai ya fir kam aarakshhan pane walo se bhedbhaav nhi hai, kya ye makkadjaal nhi hai

this debate is not so fruitful..political players leading this discussion towards party line . they are not answering the questions and beating about the bush...... it is my sincere request to all guest please keep their thought logically and scientifically and consider current crisis..... thank you

Ye JDU ke neta ji rajneeti ar rhe yaha bhi

To ensure that the benefits of reservations are provided to the bottom most people & not those who already have got the benefits. I suggest ONE PERSON ONE RESERVATION - Everyone caste person should get one time compulsory benefit but not more than that. If you got the benefit in admission, you shouldn't get that for job. This way, we can reduce the number of people eligible for reservation & the benefits can reach even the bottom most people, thus ensuring equality.

jo aadmi political khichri paka rhe h anchor unko rok nahi pa rhe...

Reservation policy in India need a re-look

anchor sahi direction me nahi...!

sala reservation KB khatam hoga...pehle mjhe modiji se umid thi Lekin voo bhi or ki trh

हिंदुत्व की समाप्ति के उपरांत ही समानतावादी समाज के निर्माण का द्वार खुल सकता हैं...... हिंदुत्व असमानतावाद सामंतवाद मनुवाद जातिवाद अंधविश्वास अंधभक्ती की नींव पर टिका हुआ हैं.......।।।।।।।

पहले 1000 सालो तक गुलामी सहो ,Egucasion से वचींत रहो ,मंदीरो मे न जाआे, और अपने आप को अछुत कहो, फिर आरऋण खतम करो,💔💔💔

kya youth hai desh ka... abhi bhi reservation mangta hai

Koi loktantra vantra nhi hai aarakshhan aarakshhan sirf badmaashi hai chhalltantra hai sirf, tum usi 1942 ke dino par aajao jab ye videshi loot mansik bimaari hindustan ko lgaai gyi thi, btao ye aarakshhan ki kya maang kyun hui thi kiske dwara kiske liye kaise hui,

suvarn dalito ke ghar khana khaa ga jab San log saman bane ga tab

Angrej gye to tumne lootna shuru kar diya 1942 se, vishesh samudhaye ke log kahan educated hote gye, aur reh koun gye fir division se kitni countries bni uneducated varg educated varg ki country mein kyun rha wo uneducated varg ki country mein kyun nhi gya kya ye uneducated varg angrej hi nhi hain, divided Pakistan ke Muslim's kya educated nhi hain bangladesh ke log educated nhi hain afganistan ke log educated nhi hain, shrilanka mein log educated nhi hain kerla mein sabse jayada educated log hote hain kya unmein s.c s.t uneducated hain sirf swarn hi educated hain, education ka sarkaari noukri mein sifarish se kya connection hua byi, education se aarthik kamzori ka kya connection byi, jis yug ko tum jin logo ke saath hatyachaar bta rhe ho unko uneducation se kya aarthik nuksaan hua byi kya

Indian general people ullu hain modi ya Congress ko vote dene keliye hi mat jayo reservation khatam..

yaha bhi dalit(Chandrabhan Prasad) ko hi bolne ka mooka nhi diya jaa rha ye toh loktantar hai yaha agar meri baat suno toh rozgaar badhaye aur kisi bhi party ko purn bhaumat na de

Rakesh sinah aarakshhan tum kis desh mein maang rhe ho uski sarkaari noukrion mein jo desh makkaari mein vishvaas nhi rakhta aur tum aarakshan kiske liye maang rhe uska itihaas jaan lo pehle aur jis desh se maang rhe ho us desh ka itihaas bhi jaan lo pehle aap jin tathyon ka chhalava dikha rhe ho wo hindustan mein nhi bharat mein bhi nhi mil sakta tha aur ambedkar ne ye divident rule policy hindustan mein laagu kar di wo isliye nhi ki jis dalit ko tumne aarakshan diya wo anpad pichchhda dabka tha balki aarakshhan lene wala atyadhik chaalaak tha aur baaki sabhi hi pichchhde the immaandaar sehansheel aur gabaar kisam bhole bhaale the jinko aarakshhan lene wale ne aur aarakshhan zehar failane wale ne moorkh bnaya constitutional jehaad se lootne ke liye jaise pehle bhi angrejo ne loota you also like them against bhartiya

is par creamlyear par charcha ho

bidhudi Ji ka byan sidha dikhata h ki obc ka reservation end kar do

Ye anantkaal tak pichchhdepan ka tag ka zimmedaar kya hindustan hai, kitni countries hain world mein tumhein iska laabh uthane ke liye ek hi country dikhi aur usmein bhi uska zimmedaar kisi ko btate nhi niraadhaar asamvidhanik tor par jhooth ke maadhyam se samvidhaan ka durupyog kar laabh lete rhe,

Byi ye dalit kya hai yaar iska matlab kyun samajh mein nhi aata, raja, brahmman, doom, maasha, panggi, balkarwal, megh, lohar, snaira, tarkhaan, chhoot achchhoot neech uch sab samajh mein aata hai yaar par ye dalit kya ho gya byi

reservation per mera manna hai ki reservation ko end na karke isko jo iske sach me dawedar ho unko mile jaise koi bhi aadami jb ek bar reservation pa jaye wo reservation chod de aur mujhe lagta hai ki pawan jaise logo ko lagta hai ki reservation is the tool fir gain satta aise log reservation ka galat matlb nikal kar apni roti sakete hai aap ek bat bataiye ki up me jb mayawati ati hai hai to dalito ke liye karti hai aur jb akilesh ate hai to yadav ke liye karte hai Mya genral ka gaon ko vikas nagi chahiye waha light riad nagi chahiye kya genral je baccho ko age badne ka adikar nahi chahiye ab ye desh ko sochna hai

conventism khtm kro sampati ka saman distribution kro brahamano ka Mandir se reservation khtm kro jajmani bnd kro ispe kyn ni bolte mohan kynki wo khud brahaman hai

विकास दिव्यकृती सर होते तो फैसला हो है जाता

Ye Gorib general admi talent ki sath bad ho raha hai

dalit ki sabsa kharab halat bihar ma ha

Jis din civil war start hoga tab talwar or banduk chalane ke liye kaleja or akrmkta chahiye hoti he wo resrvetion se nhi ati he

dallit cast ke subhchintko aap jo ye pichle 1000 saalo me hue soshan ki baat apni jholi me leke gumte ho us baat ko sirf ek bar ke liye samaaj or desh ke vikas ke liye side me rkh kr soche or aaj ki jeevan pranali pr gour kree to apko gyat ho jayga ki vo samaye gya jha dalit piche the ya unka soshan hota hai or aaj ke samaye mei jha desh ko developed country bnane ka sapna lekr bjp chl rhi hai vo sirf aaj ki yuva sakti ke haaton me hai chahe vo administrative science koi bhi field ho skta hai and uske liye jo yogya students hai unke haaton mei ye baagdor honi chaiye or mere khne ka yh matlab nahi hai ki yogya sirf general h yogyata cast se nahi hoti struggle or knowledge se hoti h to reservation ko cast pr nahi students ki yogyata ke anushar apply krna chaiye example ke liye ek sc cast ka student --8 marks lekr maths ka lecturer banta hai vahi usse jyada yogya student ka us list me name tak nahi hota or 2nd ek reservation ki badaulat bna dr. operation ke baad scissors ko patient ke stomach me chor kr bhul jata hai ye sirf es cast wise reservation ki vajah se ho rha h or jo bjp kosis kr rhi hai economic stage pr reservation hona chaiyee to ye ek uchit kadam hoga lekin es point pr kch log savidhan ke pages jhadte haiiii jo ki desh ke vikas ke heet me nahi hai kyuki aj desh me sc st general har cast me garib log hai jo economy ke karan school clg nahi ja paate to kya un general category ke logo ka udhhar krna hamara karatvaya nahi hai aur 1942 me jab reservation implement ki aawaj uthi tab se aaj ke din tak dalit cast ki jeevan sheli me boht change aaya hai ye baat jankar bhi anjane banne vale neta log ki vjh se aaj bhi reservation ne generals ki kamar tod kar rkhi hai to me unko puchna chahta hu ky apke sath samaj mei aaj bhi vhi poorana sochan hota hai ya apke baccho se puchna ki beta ky apko samaj mei niche dekh ke chlna pdta hai jawab swatah mil jayga to vote bank or upri dikhave to chor kar desh ke liye socho un baccho ke liye socho jinke sapne tut jaate hai reservation ki vjh se jai hind jai bharat

Cast khatam hona chahiye ya nhi isme bhi ek divete ho

reservation raha na cahiya. real dalit ko not in fack dalit

Manish ji to ekdam BJP ke virodhi lag rhe h

jitna rajnitik party hai sab vote ki rajnitik kar rahe hai.most kachra parti jdu and rjd

BJP TV ke samane to bahut badi-badi baate karti hai.....par parde ke pichhe kam karti hai uske bilkul opposite....

Reporter ko apni over smartness dikhana band karna chahiye..

Pawan ek no ka bakwas kr rha h