Notice how gamora said she hates the throne, so he sits on the stairs instead of the throne

Surprised you didn't touch on Thanos' physical position.. as you did with the cup of food. Choosing the stair inside of throne, giving him same height as Gamora when de does his "reasoning". But towering over her when he moves to lecturing her as a child.

Oh my god Pre-rendered thanos is terrifying

Can we acknowledge how sad thanos sounds when he brings her food? It’s like he knows she hates him and it breaks his heart.

Infinity War is easily the best MCU movie in my eyes. It the tightest script I’ve seen in a blockbuster epic all decade-it’s just buttery smooth and paced about as well as a triathlon-runner would manage.

Love the part where thanos says. "I'm the only one who knows that. " not by shouting . But with an expression of frustration and curse. It shows how he truly believes he is right.

Gamora's dialogue may be simple and repetitive, but I think it is fitting well if you see her as a "child" facing off her imposing father.

So Thanos is the antagonist and focal point character? How exactly? He’s the one pushing the story forward. He’s the one with clearly defined goals and motivations. He is the main character, and the one who is having to overcome obstacles (the heroes) in order to achieve his goal. The heroes goal, on the other hand, is simply to stop Thanos from achieving his goal. I would argue that Infinity War is one of the few movies where the villain is the protagonist, and the heroes are the antagonists.

My GF:Can't you just stop with your stupid Thanos quotes? Me: *I ignored my destiny once,I cannot do that again...even,for you* My GF: That's it we're done,I'm breaking up with you! Me: *A small price to pay for salvation* My GF:You're insane Me: *Little one it's a simple calculus* My GF:I don't even exist,You just created me so that you could write this comment Me: *Reality can be whenever I want* My GF: _Disintegrates_ Me: *Reality is often disappointing...And is,It was*

Being at rest is also important to show how he is abusive. Abusers will do terrible things and then try to make up for it by being caring and nice.

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Ugh, that bright white frame around the dark cinema images. Hurts my eyes.

When he says, "I'm the only one who knows that," he also looks away from Gamora, which is an interesting acting choice. If the other lines are intended to convince Gamora that what he's doing is right, this line clearly isn't - he's not even looking at her, he's speaking more to himself. I think this accomplishes two things: (1) it shows he's resigned that Gamora will not be swayed, and (2) it shows that just because he's resigning the argument, he isn't resigning his belief. (An argument could also be made that his reaction here is a sign that he does actually feel bad about killing half the universe, and I do think he feels a little bit bad, but I see this scene as firmly about his relationship with Gamora and it makes sense that he'd be so bothered that his favorite daughter doesn't agree with his core defining principle.)

Your voice is that of melted chocolate being poured on butter: sweet, salty and a nightmare to get out of the carpeting

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You got me there. After seeing your Batman: The Dark Knight's analysis about the Joker's dialogue. I'll be patiently waiting for every new update.

15:28 Not right thing for wrong reason, but wrong thing for right reason. Knowing it's bad, but thinking it's necessary.

Great video, except that Thanos is not the antagonist of Infinity Wars; he is the protagonist of that movie specifically. He was a goal and the Avengers stand in opposition to that goal. They are the obstacle for Thanos to overcome.

A patient father. He doesn't raise his voice, its slow and calm. A father speaking to his child. Thanks for the vid. Love thanos.

I love that he brings her food. That right there hit me as something a patent does to make thier kid feel better. It immediately made me feel like he was a least 10% cool dad. Just try and imagine him doing that for anyone's eyes and it feels wrong. Such a simple thing that gave him a large amount of depth.

To me the deepest most impactful scene is when peter quill asks about kevin bacon in footloose. He's so removed he doesn't have any clue.

I love these Analysis videos. Analysing the great works of others and see what made them good is a really good help to grow as a writer myself.

Thanos is the protagonist, though. That's part of the reason he is the focal character and got the most screen time. This was even confirmed by the writers.

5:44 i have flashbacks of Jon Snow saying: She is my queen

I find it strange in the context of your interpretation of this as a scene of 'antagonist at rest' that you'd object to Gamorra's repeated attempts to focus on his villainy. This is a scene in which he asserts his humanity, and her rejection of that is by means of repeatedly driving home the fact that his methods and goal are reprehensible and all that ultimately matters about him. He is attempting to present himself as 3-dimentional, and she is denying the attempt, asserting that he is in fact only his monstrous worst act. Her struggle in this film has a lot to do with denying that Thanos has any value or humanity, that's he's just a monster - she needs to see him this way because he is her de facto father and she needs to reconcile the goal of his destruction to her feelings. So she asserts that he is ONLY evil. It makes total character and story sense, not despite this being an 'antagonist at rest' scene, but because of it. As for the show-don't-tell criticism, throwing the cup was the only act she was capable of in this scene. She's helpless against him physically. To 'show' by having her make some pointless gesture of violence toward him would only belie her character as a savvy assassin who knows how/when to seize and advantage, and when all she can do is protest verbally.

Do the Endgame Thanos speech before the final battle. I really liked it but curious to see what you think.

Great video, but I'm not convinced that Thanos was ever genuinely "at rest" in this scene. I don't see this as an event where Thanos' motivation goes from taking care of his daughter to seeking the Soul Stone - his every action in this scene is done to strip Gamora's defenses so that when he reveals that he knows she found it it's easier for him to get the location from her. Parents do this "soft sell" with their kids all the time when they know that the kid has lied about something. Granted, they *usually* don't transition into dismantling the kid's siblings when it comes time for the Hard Sell, but when destroying half of all life in the universe is your idea of a solution it's clear that having any sense of severity is not really in the picture.

The chess/checker board analogy of moving through a scene was something I'd never really considered before. 👍👍

This does bring a smile on my face

Dive the "Dark Knight" final conflict scene where the Joker is hanging upside-down, and explaining his ace in the hole!

The best part of that seamless transition from "antagonist at rest" to not at rest is that the end of the scene flips the table on the rest of it. He never really was at rest. He knew Gamora knew the stone's location when he offered her food and struck up a conversation. He wasn't opening up to anyone, he was interrogating her. He sat down and spoke casually to poke and prode at her to understand her betrayal. And in the end, he drops the act and confronts her about it.

I liked the scene between Rocket and Thor. It showed growth and depth

These dialogue dives are incredibly helpful for analyzing dialogue and “big picture” scene construction. One thing I’d really like to see is the live constructing of a scene that focuses on the details; walking us through the creation of new dialogue and descriptions that push a scene to its conclusion. Questions that such a video might address are: 1. How do I actually navigate this “chessboard” of logic and reason as I write a scene? 2. How do I maintain the believability of a character’s dialogue without allowing my own voice to come through, rather than the character’s? 3. What are some techniques for balancing descriptive text with dialogue? What sorts of descriptions or details are necessary or effective vs which ones are superfluous and should be avoided? Such a video would be an excellent guide for aspiring writers, like myself, who have ideas for scenes or stories, but who struggle with the details of scene construction. As always, I loved the video and clicked the link to help support you, but I can’t wait to actually throw money at you through Patreon. Keep it up!

I love how Thanos reacts in 14:34. This shows how he really believes his method is the right one and how everyone who questions it haven't seen the whole picture.

Please reconsider the white frame/bg, thank you

I feel like when Thanos said “And you lied.” Such a dad thing to say.

I am here to absorb the knowledge. Thank you for this!

This was a really insightful video for me. I don't think I have ever seen an analysis comparing different drafts of a scene, but that is *such* an important process in writing. I would really love to see more content like this. Perhaps more deleted scene comparisons or even comparisons of rough and final drafts of your own work?

" You didn't refuse " That reminds of a piece of dialogue that I consider really bad in this movie Loki says "if you're going to Earth you may need a guide. I have some experience there" Thanos: if you consider failure experience... Loki: I consider experience, experience The God of lies and mischief, ladies and gentlemen. That's how he tries to trick his oponnent... "I consider experience, experience"

I really love looking back on these moments in this series. I 'felt' the same about them at the time as I do now but I've been forced to stop and pull them apart to understand why I felt what I did and that knowledge is a gift. Thanks for that.

I think you're missing Gamora's subtext on those repetitions... She's stuck in a vicious cycle of hate which she began to break when her sister forgave her in "Guardians of the Galaxy vol. 2". However, she needs to get a closure with Thanos, one she knows she'll never gets. That's why she repeats herself, that's why she tells instead of showing: because Thanos won't ever change therefore at this very moment she FEELS stuck... Again... In a vicious cycle of hate. This foreshadows her destiny in the film. Her tragedy.

Your videos are super educational, I appreciate you showing not only what is right about the final scene, but what is wrong about the deleted scene, and why. Keep up the great work!!!!

Dialogue dive Spider-Man homecoming vulture and peter talk in car

The deleted scene is very interesting! It allows us to see how Thanos would have looked if he was part of the DCEU!

Thanos is the protagonist of Infinity War.

Awesome breakdown! Movie Thanos is one of my favorite villains ever, the way the write him was so great!

I’ve always loved this scene. The conviction in Brolin’s voice when he says “I’m the only one who knows that” has always intrigued me. Great to see a breakdown of what makes it so captivating

Great clip. I wish you'd do more Marvel movies. The Russo brothers said that Infinity War was clearly an evil man making the hero's journey. This is very helpful re Demona.

Great video! One nitpick: you said Thanos is doing the right things for the wrong reasons. Isn't he actually doing the wrong things for the right reasons? (Killing half the population = the wrong thing, because he wants the remaining population to prosper = a good reason). Seems like a small correction, but it's good to look at both possibilities when writing a villain.

I remember being in theaters watching this and when this scen happend I was like "what just happend? D-Did I just seen Thanos as a vulnerable, tired, frustrated man trying to talk sense to his daughter?!!" Aaand the movie was just gold from there

The best part of the scene imo is that last line at the end. "I'm disappointed. Not because you didn't find it, but because you did....and you lied." It shows that Thanos genuinely does view their relationships as that of a father and daughter, and the true disappointment isn't that she failed, but that she would lie to him. The supervillain's equivalent of the "as long as you try your best, I'll always be proud of you" line parents tell their children.

12:56 That Mr. Crabs edit is perfection.

I think your observations about the stilted repetitiveness of Gamora's dialogue is simply uninformed. I'm going to assume that you were not abused as a child, or have had deep relationships with people who were. She sounds EXACTLY like adult victims of childhood abuse. When recalling memories of places and events that were traumatizing words like "hate" and "disgust" are commonly used to describe them. People who have been made to suffer that way also tend to get lost in their own narrative loop, and it makes them seem self-obsessed, even narcissistic; which makes a listener want to dismiss them. Gamora is a damaged character. It's hard to see her that way, especially when held up in contrast to her sister Nebula, whose trauma is obvious and demonstrated often. Her experiences with the Guardians and with Peter Quill in particular have gone a long way towards healing her character, allowing her to trust, and love, and feel deserving of love. But, as is true in real life, all it takes is stepping one foot back into your childhood home, or speaking to someone who hurt you as a child, and you emotionally regress into an earlier state. That's what she was in this scene: a child. Petulant, accusing, throwing bowls and simplifying complex issues. Your videos are usually spot on. But, on that point, I think you missed the mark.

Awesome work right there, my dude! Top quality analysis! Please, keep it up

Thorough exposition. Superior analysis. Superb editing. Great presentation.

These dialogue dives are fantastic, and so useful for writing. Thank you! I'd be really interested to see a dialogue dive on Steel Magnolias. I'm really curious as to whether the emotional intensity is performance driven or if the writing is the key from your perspective. Thanks again.

I love these videos and getting an interesting perspective on things

Read that as "Thanos vs Camera" and I'm pretty irritated with myself.

I didn’t know this term “antagonist at rest”, but now that you’ve mentioned it, I realize they make for some of my favorite scenes

Gotta love the good old fashioned Anti-Spiral argument (reference from Gurren Lagann)

Another great video. Thanks for making.

Excellent break-down of the dialogue. I love the chess-board analogy you used for the dialogue - it's an image I must keep in mind when writing.

Love these dissection and insights! Thank you again for the great content

I love this man. I'm new to all of this but as a consumer I know what to look for and the way you break things down but educate is a skill not many can master. Keep doing what you're doing man🤩

I think Infinity War should’ve put more effort into showing that Thanos’ idea is flawed. The movie has every other character oppose it, but it never makes a case as to why it is a bad thing, which the writers still clearly think. It relies on a vague sense of what is right and what isn’t than on actual moral or scientific arguments. Also, I just want to mention how thematically appropriate it is for Thanos to bring food to Gamora at the beginning of the scene.

I love your videos. I am learning so much as a writer. Thank you ^^ Those images on how to move a scene forward via dialogue is genius

You are a great analyst and you have interesting insight with these dialogue dives. I've learned a lot from your presentations, sir. Thank you.

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This is a great analysis on writing, pls keep it up.

The problem with thanos mindset “mathematically” is it doesn’t account for an important variable: “if life is left unchecked”. He takes it to mean that all forms of life will only ever continue to grow and grow without regarding its own growth and acting accordingly to ensure its collective survival. Maybe if he were talking about animals he’d have a point but intelligent life has the capability of making those decisions on their own, and whether they do it correctly or not, or disregard entirely, is to be left to them, not some genocidal Grimace with survivor’s guilt.

Thanos is my favorite character in the MCU, he's the only one that doesn't get corrupted by absolute power.

This scene is even more interesting now that _Eternals_ is out. If it's still canon that Thanos himself is an Eternal or of an Eternal lineage, then it makes even more sense why he thinks this is the only way to save the population of the universe. Especially that line where he says _"I'm the only one that does. Or at least, I'm the only one with the will to act on it."_ He probably saw first hand his part to play in what the Celestials consider the natural order of the universe and he couldn't get any of the other Eternals to see his viewpoint, thus resulting in his "home planet" being destroyed. Basically, from Thanos' point of view, he is a Red Pill amongst the other Eternals, who are the Blue Pills. And thus, he is the only Eternal at the time with the will to be more than he was bred to be.

I love it. I'm a writer myself and I love the way you broke this down. I have been struggling to make my characters protagonist and antagonist. But I realized that it wasn't about knowing how to do individuals just themselves and work from within to create depth and then put goals up to their own beliefs. That make the story.

Wish they showed the Reality Stone stuff but other than that their choices were good.

These videos are awesome!! Please keep it up!!

Thanos doesn't really want to save the universe, he just wants to be acknowledged for being right; he just refuses to believe something so petty.

This was an amazing video. I would love a video on the change of perspective between Infinity War and Endgame. I felt a much different Thanos in that one, and I would enjoy a dive analysis very much.

This was a very good analysis. Thanks for the insight!

15:11 - “wake up, sheeple!”

Awesome vid!! I wonder if you could talk about a section of dialogue in The Fury? Like the meal scene with two ladies and the full squad. That would be fantastic!!

Third video of yours that I've watched, and because I enjoyed all 3 a lot, I decided it was time for me to sub.

Awesome video!

Congrats, you have a signature video series now.

Thanos: Little one it's a simple calcu... Gamora: EVILEEE!!!!!

I wish you would do deeper cuts. Ive been binging these and u make amazing points and observations but the video ends just as the discussion is getting really good. Deep cuts would be awesome. Maybe im selfish though haha

Hey Savage Books, I want to let you know that you make great videos and you've inspired me to start my own KZfaq Channel where I can also talk about movies. Thank you so much for the inspiration! Keep up the great work!

Love it. Good job, keep it up 👍

I can’t wait for you to break down a scene from Stand by Me.

The beginning sets up the parent child relationship. Parents/Teachers recognize a child lost in emotion; the repetition of the word hate is like the cup, thrown around to hurt his feelings as much as the throwing of the cup is to break it.

The fact that the antagonist was the “protagonist” of Infinity War it’s one of the main reasons why it’s waaaay better thn Endgame

I don't think this scene makes Thanos sympathetic as much as it uses a "rational parent vs angry child" dynamic to reveal how Thanos's stifling, arrogant paternalism is at the core of everything he does. Thanos has convinced himself of the inevitability of Malthusian catastrophe, and believes deep down that what he is doing is therefore rational and in the best interest of the universe at large. Anyone who disagrees with him is, in his eyes, a naive child who allows their emotions to cloud their judgement. The best exchange of the scene - "You don't know that!" "I'm the only one who knows that." - works so well because Brolin's calm but slightly exasperated delivery implies that this is an argument he's dealt with many, many times before, and he is perhaps a bit impatient that Gamora hasn't yet "caught up to him". He respects her stubborn resolve, but sees her defiance as misguided. The irony is that Thanos's egoism is exactly why he is the misguided one; he's used to "being right", and sees absolutely everything else through that lens. Because of that, this whole exchange also helps justify why he was able to receive the Soul Stone. His offering of food and soft-spokenness, while lecturing about "correcting" the universe and turning Gamora into "the fiercest woman in the galaxy", shows that Thanos believes the best kind of parenting involves a heavy dose of "tough love". To Thanos, life is painful, tragic, and difficult, but can be tamed through sheer dominance and willpower. He sees and loves those qualities in Gamora. And even though it's a kind of narcissistic love (loving her for the ways she resembles him), because he truly believes he has done what is best for her, he truly believes he loves her. It is a sick, broken, self-centered love, but it's the depth of sacrifice that was important, and to Thanos this was the greatest sacrifice he could make.

That was such a good video, wow man

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12:54 The dutch: i have several objections

Great video

This video should have its like/dislike ratio be the same so it can be perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

Awesome videos.

7:07 What you're saying is true, but there's another side to that- being raised by a violent and overpowering presence makes you into a 7 year old child every time you're in that presence for the rest of your life. Children throw things. Children say "I hate you", "I hate this", "I hate that".

Thanos, Deadpool & Death love triangle is one of my favourite Marvel things. I hope we will see Death in Deadpool 3. Also the love between Wade and Spiderman!

As someone who loves filmmaking and Infinity War, thank you.