Mustang Mach E | The Result of Forcing EVs

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savagegeese

savagegeese

Күн бұрын

We revisit the all-electric Mustang Mach E SUV to discuss the changes and problems with the car. While there are many great things to come from electric vehicles, forcing and rushing them to market at high prices is catching up with people and the brands. We discuss the pros and the cons. Others to consider are the Hyundai Ioniq 5, Tesla Model Y, Kia EV6, and Nissa Ariya.
#cars #engineering #business
Index:
00:00 Intro
00:37 Mechanical Changes and Problems
7:37 Driving Impressions
13:24 Final Thoughts

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@theFailQuail
@theFailQuail 7 ай бұрын
Seeing the prices of new cars these days (ICE or EV) is just wild, and seeing sales fall off a literal cliff as soon as interest rates went up makes it abundantly clear - manufacturers did not expect interest rates to increase in the way that they have. They're pricing at least half or in many cases, most, of their lineups out of reach for most folks. It's simply asinine what average sales prices are right now and people are having to get 7-8 year loans just to buy them. It's not just EVs, the whole industry is NOT looking good.
@Encourageable
@Encourageable 7 ай бұрын
I’m not in the market for a new vehicle at the moment - I like my current truck and have no valid reason to replace it. But I really wonder if you went in to a dealership and lowballed them - would they not take the deal? You’d think they’d want the car off their lot. Just low ball them and walk if they say no - just seems like they’ll eventually call you back. I could be wrong but seems to me they are going to be desperate to get rid of it.
@ShenghongZhang
@ShenghongZhang 7 ай бұрын
Except Tesla keeps dropping price... Funny how Ford or most others think their first gen inferior EV should be priced higher than the industry leader..
@Lifeof728
@Lifeof728 7 ай бұрын
@@ShenghongZhangit isnt that they think they should. Its that they literally cant due to how far behind tesla they are.
@Lifeof728
@Lifeof728 7 ай бұрын
New car prices are stupid and all these manufacturers thought the price gouging pandemic prices would last forever but as usual their slow pace of being able to adapt to ever changing market trends has them assed out again almost like 2008.
@cwx8
@cwx8 7 ай бұрын
Tons of greed going on too. Cost cutting plus price hikes for every brand.
@FACTOTUM_55
@FACTOTUM_55 7 ай бұрын
Mark trying to keep his grin from his face when reading the drive mode descriptions made my day
@johnpedelty3866
@johnpedelty3866 7 ай бұрын
In the UK, high initial price, high insurance and massive depreciation have turned the EV dream into a financial nightmare.
@Argedis
@Argedis 7 ай бұрын
Yup people like to boast 'gas savings' but forget about the expensive insurance costs
@Electronica27
@Electronica27 7 ай бұрын
@@Argedis and the stress on the power grid
@beanapprentice1687
@beanapprentice1687 7 ай бұрын
⁠@@Electronica27as if oil pumps don’t use electricity. And keep in mind, the grid keeps improving every year.
@Electronica27
@Electronica27 7 ай бұрын
@@beanapprentice1687 clearly not fast enough with the recent blackouts.
@beanapprentice1687
@beanapprentice1687 7 ай бұрын
@@Electronica27 what recent blackouts?
@brentlanyon4654
@brentlanyon4654 7 ай бұрын
I know three Mach E owners, they all love them.
@user-g8s93dbnyg
@user-g8s93dbnyg 2 ай бұрын
Sure bud 😂
@fuerte1300
@fuerte1300 2 ай бұрын
Every time I ask mach e owners about their car. They say it's the best cat they have ever had and are super happy with them. From the one I test drove one time I had a good experience with it myself
@robertfrick7610
@robertfrick7610 2 ай бұрын
Love mine. No issues
@MultiDc12345
@MultiDc12345 2 ай бұрын
I love mine. Sorry to disappoint the culture warriors.
@pmpbd3
@pmpbd3 2 ай бұрын
Absolutely love my Mach e. The charging infrastructure sucks, but the car is amazing.
@zcbowers94
@zcbowers94 7 ай бұрын
I’ve always said they should have waited to throw a Mustang badge on an EV and used the edge brand on their first EV SUV. I stand by that
@johnstuartsmith
@johnstuartsmith 7 ай бұрын
"Mustangs are recognizable as Mustangs. This is not one of them" Is my only thought when I see one of these.
@super1million11
@super1million11 7 ай бұрын
@@johnstuartsmiththey would do better is they would drop the mustang name from this vehicle
@Tarmac76
@Tarmac76 7 ай бұрын
Good point, I also think Lightning would've been a great brand name for their EVs, not just the F150
@chrisalley6282
@chrisalley6282 7 ай бұрын
I like Ford Galax-E
@michaelfried3123
@michaelfried3123 7 ай бұрын
I've owned 9 Mustangs over the past 33 years, and I'm of the opinion Ford should have never pissed us older generation off by EVER naming an EV a Mustang.
@JDJ1213
@JDJ1213 7 ай бұрын
Thank goodness for this channel. No shilling, just straight up a real world perspective on the cars and the car industry. Someone's got to be looking out for the consumers, cause sure as hell Motortrend aint doing it.
@ryane6719
@ryane6719 7 ай бұрын
Let’s hope they don’t get gobbled up the corpos and start being one of the major publications.
@popinjayjunior7698
@popinjayjunior7698 7 ай бұрын
Yep, even when they shill the japanese manufacturers, they still made their objectives clear and be critical
@ottertubetv9356
@ottertubetv9356 7 ай бұрын
auto trend serves at the pleasure of the car industry. These guys are talking about the best way to spend disposable income. Different priorities. Mine aligns with the latter.
@AlphaOmega333
@AlphaOmega333 7 ай бұрын
This is why they don’t get invited to all press events because they can’t be bought. Best auto reviewer channel on YT by far.
@bmw803
@bmw803 7 ай бұрын
The only EV making sense out there is the Chevy BOLT. Designed as a commuter car, where it's 260 miles is PLENTYFUL for daily commuting/errand vehicle that is affordable for the majority. Easily chargeable at home not having to rely on shitty chargers. M3/MY are overpriced and over engineered, but do have a good charging network, meaning ok for someone who drives a lot on long distances.
@michaelmackey754
@michaelmackey754 3 ай бұрын
We have a 2023 Mach E… it definitely is a very special vehicle. It has completely changed my life in a good way.
@Rhgeyer278
@Rhgeyer278 7 ай бұрын
With the economy uncertain, not buying a car right now makes sense for a few reasons. Firstly, cars are costly, and in uncertain times, it's crucial to save money and keep your finances stable. Using public transport or rideshares can save you money. Secondly, technology and car-sharing options offer convenient transport without the expenses of owning a car, like maintenance and insurance. Moreover, fewer cars mean lower emissions, contributing to a greener planet. Choosing eco-friendly options supports global efforts to fight climate change. Lastly, waiting lets you assess your finances when things stabilize. You can focus on saving, investing, or other essential needs like education or debts. Being patient and evaluating your needs can lead to a wise and financially responsible decision about getting a car.
@GaryWinstonBrown
@GaryWinstonBrown 7 ай бұрын
My financial advisor advises buying cars when interest rates and prices are low. However, he also cautions against it right now due to the hidden costs of car ownership, like insurance and maintenance. He helps me plan for these expenses and manages my portfolio to ensure financial stability. It's all about making strategic decisions and having a well-rounded financial plan.
@AnnaKrueger809
@AnnaKrueger809 7 ай бұрын
Your financial journey is truly inspiring, and I'm currently striving to achieve the goals you've reached. Could you please share some tips to help others learn and navigate their own paths to financial success? Your insights would be invaluable.
@Rhgeyer278
@Rhgeyer278 7 ай бұрын
Samuel Peter Descovich that's whom I work with
@Rhgeyer278
@Rhgeyer278 7 ай бұрын
I believe everyone could benefit from having a personal financial advisor. They can assist you in reaching your customized financial objectives at any point, ensuring you remain profitable.
@Rhgeyer278
@Rhgeyer278 7 ай бұрын
You can search for his name online and confirm for yourself. He possesses extensive experience in the financial market over many years.
@accordinglyryan
@accordinglyryan 7 ай бұрын
This remains one of the only, if not THE only car review channel that doesn't sugarcoat their opinions/content to favor the manufacturers that lend them these vehicles. Refreshing as all hell. I've been watching for years
@dappolajon7008
@dappolajon7008 7 ай бұрын
If u think that your not really even paying attention just youtube brown nosing
@Syncopia
@Syncopia 7 ай бұрын
Not brown nosing, there might be some smaller channels but they don't have the production value of the goose.
@acerimmer8338
@acerimmer8338 7 ай бұрын
Have you ever watched Throttle House??? They frequently shit on cars, including BMW and Ferrari. Camissa is the same. Like others have said, you're simply brown-nosing. Which is odd to do on KZfaq.
@Gertso
@Gertso 7 ай бұрын
​​@@acerimmer8338I would say the only odd thing here is you guys accusing people of brown nosing because they haven't heard of certain other KZfaqrs. This dude is clearly just leaving nice feedback.
@accordinglyryan
@accordinglyryan 7 ай бұрын
@@Gertso Thank you. I don't watch every car review channel in existence. Of the ones I have seen, SG is by far the best. That's literally it. Idk why people on the internet get so offended all the time
@valdius85
@valdius85 7 ай бұрын
Toyota has proven multiple time that the product doesn’t have to reach the market first, it just has to be a good product.
@johnstuartsmith
@johnstuartsmith 7 ай бұрын
Toyota seems to believe that the future looks better for improved hybrids than for E.Vs.
@xiaoka
@xiaoka 7 ай бұрын
@@johnstuartsmithmeanwhile they’re going to learn like ford and GM that jumping into EVs at scale is not as easy as it looks. The Chinese will eat their lunch even more than they already are by the time they figure out their EV software and battery supply chains.
@DDMSakb48
@DDMSakb48 7 ай бұрын
@@xiaoka Toyota fan boys are just like IBM fan boys lol
@Dr_b_
@Dr_b_ 7 ай бұрын
That doesn't explain the BZ where the wheels were literally falling off, Toyota isn't making EVs because it doesn't know how
@valdius85
@valdius85 7 ай бұрын
@@Dr_b_ Yeah, that is embarrassing for T although every company made silly QA f ups. Obviously "wheels falling off" is a funny one 🤣
@Gjeebs
@Gjeebs 7 ай бұрын
The first 7 minutes of this were incredibly well done explaining everything and showing it
@davidmenasco5743
@davidmenasco5743 6 ай бұрын
The video is well done, except for a few points. In particular, at 1:53, where he says that EV sales are falling "across the board," and then puts up a graphic showing the top ten selling models. Seven of these are up - mostly WAY UP. One model is holding about the same level. And, out of the ten models listed, two are down. In fact, for the first ten months of the year, EV sales in the US are UP by 35%. That's a pretty strong showing. And the part where he says there's no reason to buy an EV over an ICE car. Well, yeah, if you either don't have grandkids, or don't care how things turn out for them, then sure. Buy whatever. How quickly we stop burning fossil fuels will determine how much food your great grandkids will have to eat for dinner. That's the basic situation we're in. That's the context of this discussion about how the car drives, and how - like so many things - it doesn't live up to some of the hype. But, the car lives up to the most important part of the hype: It doesn't burn gasoline. And it's vastly more efficient than cars that do.
@Annette_Hons
@Annette_Hons 4 ай бұрын
@@davidmenasco5743 When you realize the term “fossil fuel” is a MADE UP term created in the early 1900’s to scare people away from buying cars and using gas. When you do the research and learn (DO NO GOOGLE - do the actual research) you will find that oil is the second most plentiful liquid on earth next to water and in fact has NOTHING to do with fossils at all. Oil replenished itself over and over and over, there is literally an endless supply. THEY want you to think is scares so they can jack up the price and make billionairs… hence the Rockerfellers, Soros, etc. LEARN! Educate yourself.
@KaiPonte
@KaiPonte 7 ай бұрын
Interesting thoughts. I bought a mach-e a year ago and have since put over 20000 miles on it. I absolutely love not having to buy gas. i also live in Los Angeles where I don't freeze and lose too much range. This car is wonderful, and enjoyable to drive. i did test the Model Y, Ioniq 5, EV6, and id.4. The id.4 was my second choice, but I'm still very much happy with the Mach-e.
@TheBandit7613
@TheBandit7613 6 ай бұрын
I think they are one of the best looking EVs.
@nodak81
@nodak81 6 ай бұрын
"I also live in Los Angeles" Why am I not surprised? lol
@Wilhelm4131
@Wilhelm4131 6 ай бұрын
They also look like an SUV lol that a soy eater would drive@@TheBandit7613
@TheBandit7613
@TheBandit7613 6 ай бұрын
@@Wilhelm4131 I have videos of the vehicles I drive. A vintage Jeep, 73' Mach One, 2022 F350 4x4 diesel. What are you driving?
@mikeb1039
@mikeb1039 6 ай бұрын
@@nodak81 why be a douche' bag?
@thesadboxman
@thesadboxman 7 ай бұрын
I think you nailed it. They didn't go into it trying to build a better car, regardless of being ICE or electric. They only went into it to follow the trend of electrification. That was a major mistake.
@vikd4292
@vikd4292 7 ай бұрын
he just sounds sad when he talks about this car
@TheSteinbitt
@TheSteinbitt 7 ай бұрын
It’s not a trend, they try to go from flip phone to smart phone 10 years after the released of the iPhone. They’re struggling. They’re trying not to become Kodak.
@thesadboxman
@thesadboxman 7 ай бұрын
@@TheSteinbitt I don't think I explained it properly. I use "trend" in the sense that other autos primarily developed electric solutions because that's what regulators, politicians, and environmentalists have been demanding of auto manufacturers. Legacy autos had the goal of developing a car with an electric drivetrain. Whereas Tesla has the goal of building the best car (you can agree or not) that just so happened to have an electric drivetrain. There's a subtle, but important difference between the two. Put another way, it's like comparing a kid who does their math homework because they're told to vs a kid who does their math homework cause they find think it's fun. The latter kid is most likely to do better in math over time.
@TheSteinbitt
@TheSteinbitt 7 ай бұрын
@@thesadboxman I agree with that, but I still think legacy auto tries as hard as they can, but they’re just not set up to succeed at it easily because of all the old corporate structure, factories, ICE engineers, unions and lack of software capabilities.
@Encourageable
@Encourageable 7 ай бұрын
@@vikd4292in all fairness, he sounds sad regardless of what he’s talking about
@nowjustanother
@nowjustanother 7 ай бұрын
I had a Mach E Premium AWD with the standard battery. I was in an accident three weeks ago - I walked away unharmed though the car was totaled. Every air bag deployed. It was the best car I've ever owned, full stop. And yes, I will think about this car fondly. I absolutely loved it.
@Cinemagrins
@Cinemagrins 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for this story, I think this car has gotten too political. The name made people mad I guess. I see one on Ebay for 18K seems like a steal to me! I literally have a Tesla Supercharger station next door, people should move to the big city.
@darrinv6798
@darrinv6798 7 ай бұрын
I love my 2022 Mach E and also a Model 3 and love both. Haven’t owned a gas car the last 3 years and have taken several 700-1,000 mile road trips without incident.
@mauriciomendez1912
@mauriciomendez1912 7 ай бұрын
@@darrinv6798 do you have a preference? If so can you explain which one? 🙏
@darrinv6798
@darrinv6798 7 ай бұрын
@@mauriciomendez1912 I hate sound like a Parrot but the Ford is built much better while the Tesla has a better charging Network. My Model 3 came from the factory with the right rear door severely out of alignment as well as an unaligned steering wheel (off 2-3 degrees to the right). The Tesla is also much louder on the highway which is something I’ve heard was resolved with the Highlander update. On long trips, I have a more consistent 100-170 kWh charging experience in the Tesla. The Ford has never failed me on trips but in the more rural areas of Ohio the highest speed L3 Chargers are 62.5 kWh ChargePoint ones. Ironically, while slow, the ChargePoints give me 90-100 pct of their advertised speed while the EAs and EVGos vary wildly often giving only 25-50% of their rated speed. I have seen 60-80 kWh on some older Tesla V2 SuperChargers but much more rare.
@RayNLA
@RayNLA 7 ай бұрын
@@mauriciomendez1912 My take…The Mustang for looks the Tesla because it’s just better in every other way.
@RandyBeyer
@RandyBeyer 3 ай бұрын
I am a Mustang Mach-E owner and appreciate the very realistic review of this car. I bought my vehicle used. There was no way it made sense to buy this vehicle new at there 2023 prices. I think my opinion off the car once I eventually walk away from it will depend on how well this recall service goes and just how upside down in value I end up.
@alexmacchalatte
@alexmacchalatte 4 ай бұрын
I've had my Mach E GT-P for a year and a half and have driven 36k miles already. I did have to have recall work on it for the infamous high voltage battery junction box (HVBJB) needing to be replaced (very poor design), but besides that, it's been smooth driving. I do not get any feeling that this vehicle was rushed at all. The interior is the most comfortable of any vehicle I have ever owned, the ride quality is very smooth on my 200 mile commute which I do once a week (which is why I purchased it), and I am saving a good amount on those commutes as it only costs me $50 to charge up on each round trip, whereas, it would cost me $80 to fill up. The 3.6 sec 0-60 is more useful to me for accelerating onto a freeway than top speed specs. I admit, my commuting situation is unique, and I purchased it back when the loan rate was just 1%, so I may not represent the vast majority, but I am very pleased with my purchase. I plan on driving it until the battery completely dies.
@fermd9357
@fermd9357 7 ай бұрын
Sponsorships be damned, they’re speaking truth. Fantastic content.
@march24-lp4pv
@march24-lp4pv 6 ай бұрын
Simping for the biden regime?
@davidmenasco5743
@davidmenasco5743 6 ай бұрын
Truth, except for the part, at 1:53, where he says that EV sales are falling "across the board," and then puts up a graphic showing the top ten selling models. Seven of these are up - mostly WAY UP. One model is holding about the same level. And, out of the ten models listed, two are down. In fact, for the first ten months of the year, EV sales in the US are UP by 35%. That's a pretty strong showing. And the part where he says there's no reason to buy an EV over an ICE car. Well, yeah, if you either don't have grandkids, or don't care how things turn out for them, then sure. Buy whatever.
@march24-lp4pv
@march24-lp4pv 6 ай бұрын
@@davidmenasco5743 Nevermind the children labour mining for your precious batteries, and the subsequent disposal, my 4 banger Toyota with 300k is the real polluter huh. How's your posture being perpetually bent over fire big daddy John Kerry?
@march24-lp4pv
@march24-lp4pv 6 ай бұрын
@@davidmenasco5743 "don't care how things turn out for them.." Okay Gretta... At this pace your Jerry Springer president won't let them live to see .
@davidmenasco5743
@davidmenasco5743 6 ай бұрын
@@march24-lp4pv There's a lot of things a person could pay attention to in this world. It sounds like you've picked the wrong ones.
@802Garage
@802Garage 7 ай бұрын
When they announced the "Mustang" Mach-E, many of us were critical of the naming and marketing for this exact reason. If they had cut some performance, priced it reasonably, and called it the E-Blazer it probably would be faring much better.
@patx35
@patx35 7 ай бұрын
Even renaming it to Ford Thunderbird would look better. Plus, it would compliment the Ford Lightning.
@802Garage
@802Garage 7 ай бұрын
@@patx35 That's what I always said!!! Use the Thunderbird name. It literally has Thunder in it!
@adamn7516
@adamn7516 7 ай бұрын
@@802Garage No, the Thunderbird name should not be used on an SUV be and ICE or EV one. The best name for the car honestly should have been the Ford Model E, which Ford had already trademarked, I suspect to keep it away from Tesla. But I am sure Ford probably was concerned about that name being confused with a Tesla even though Ford was the originator of using the word Model as...err...a model name. Model E would have harkened back to the Model T which was Fords first truly mass produced ICE car.
@802Garage
@802Garage 7 ай бұрын
@@adamn7516 Oh I wouldn't have liked it if they used the Thunderbird name either, but it would have made way more sense than the Mustang name! Even calling it the Thunder would be acceptable, that way there is thunder and lightning. Model E also would have been a clever name, or simply the Mach E. Bringing Mustang into it was just plain silly.
@todkapuz
@todkapuz 7 ай бұрын
i still never understand what the name of a car has to do with buying a car.. maybe i am just weird.
@dougmartin8641
@dougmartin8641 6 ай бұрын
Traditional OEM’s were in a rush. They took an ICE vehicle, slapped on a battery and a power drive system and sold a first generation BEV. Demand is not slowing for BEV’s. Demand is slowing for 1st generation BEV’s from the traditional car manufacturers.
@scotty305
@scotty305 7 ай бұрын
I recently rented a ~2021 Ford Escape for a road trip. It was a decent hatchback/ small SUV, and I think it looks similar to the Mach-E. If they had called this thing a Ford Escape EV, styled it very similar to the Escape, and priced it similar, I think people would have given them a lot more grace about the downsides of their first generation EV. Nissan, for instance, knew well enough to name their EV the Leaf rather than try to call it a GTR or a Silvia. Also kudos for mentioning the WeberAuto channel, he has shared some excellent in-depth tech info.
@GreenBlueWalkthrough
@GreenBlueWalkthrough 5 ай бұрын
True it should have 100% been The Mach-E or Thuderbird or as you said escape... Being a mustang is a strench even with the lossest defnations of muscle car... But Not having seen one in months with cybertruck out and people looking back on the mach e... It's looks honestly aged awesomely... Like in the current BEV CUV envoment it looks like a big CUV mustang and stands out to me a 2020 Mustang owner but yeah I don't think looks was a majory reason for people to hate it being a mustang to be honest.
@rwilliams79
@rwilliams79 5 ай бұрын
I'm not sure an Escape can go 0-60 in 3.2 seconds. Just like Mustangs have trims that go from v-6 to MACH1, the same holds true with this car. I have one and I'm 6'5". Having driven an Escape, this car has more leg room and shoulder room than an escape. It's closer in size to the Ford Edge, a mid sized SUV, not a compact SUV like the Escape.
@Annette_Hons
@Annette_Hons 4 ай бұрын
This is in no way close to an Escape. The Bronco Sport is closer to an Escape than this Mach-E. 🙄
@kellydavis914
@kellydavis914 7 ай бұрын
I own a mustang Mach E 2022 long range battery. It is by far the best car I have ever owned.
@MechayaAlta
@MechayaAlta 7 ай бұрын
We are a frugal 2 senior citizen couple. We have a 2022 Nissan Leaf as our around town car and a 2023 Subaru Outback for road trips. At under $60 K total for both, we feel we have the best of both worlds with our hybrid fleet.
@Rhaman68
@Rhaman68 7 ай бұрын
Congratulations for figuring out the secret! Former Leaf owner, now Hyundai Ioniq 5 and 2018 Hyundai Ioniq Plug-in hybrid! Thanks.
@neilstroud1321
@neilstroud1321 Ай бұрын
My wife fought me on buying one. With Ford rebates and zero % financing we bought the GT. We have now owned it for a month and she loves it. The cost of driving it roughly 1200 miles for the month of April was $38.
@fredmeyer369
@fredmeyer369 7 ай бұрын
When the Mach e first came out and when I was in the market for a new car. I definitely looked at it along with the Tesla. I ended going with a Tesla because I knew it had at least 4 - 5 years of manufacturing experience with the model 3 and 10 years with building EVs. The rebates also helped the decision, but end of the day.. I saw a lot of early adopter issues with the Mach e, it was heavily marketed and also 10k more than a model 3. Now having my model 3 for two years, I’m more than happy with my purchase decision. The EV met my needs for my 2nd car, a city / commuting vehicle going under less than
@zoransarin5411
@zoransarin5411 6 ай бұрын
Not only is the car good, but you have access to the biggest and best charging network if you need it
@shepherdsknoll
@shepherdsknoll 6 ай бұрын
A lot of buyers do not consider that an EV is more than an electric motor and a battery, this video is a good example. Most don’t consider that all manufacturers in the US outsource their components and parts and then assemble the finished product. Along with the outsourced components, comes different software, you might have 150 different components with all different software, THERE IS NO WAY TO FULLY INTEGRATE THESE COMPONENTS ! This is why you buy a Tesla; it is a fully integrated EV with a proprietary system. When you buy a Tesla , you have bought the equivalent of a smart phone, when you buy any other manufacturer, you have bought the equivalent of a flip phone.
@jakereal3604
@jakereal3604 6 ай бұрын
@@shepherdsknoll BRILLIANT analogy that I couldn't have said better myself!
@Squidward_Tikiland
@Squidward_Tikiland 5 ай бұрын
You can’t keep an EV for a long time. It’s not like old family vehicles where you say “she still runs like day one!”, ie.. ur not gonna be able to pass it down. Or even sell it to anyone
@shepherdsknoll
@shepherdsknoll 5 ай бұрын
@@Squidward_Tikiland , all Teslas are built for 1 million miles , the batteries 300,000-500,000. I’ve owned a Model 3 for 6 years , it has 105,000 miles and 95% of its battery life left, it looks and runs like new and has had no maintenance except tires.
@AntonioPerez-gj7js
@AntonioPerez-gj7js 7 ай бұрын
Great video explaining corporate micromanagement and idiocy. This even goes beyond the car industry. Amazing to see this channel open to talk about it.
@adamnagel7436
@adamnagel7436 7 ай бұрын
The government is also forcing this to happen.
@floodo1
@floodo1 7 ай бұрын
FAR beyond the auto industry indeed
@maweitao
@maweitao 7 ай бұрын
From the day the Mach E was announced I knew this was going to happen. Hell, I knew it was coming when they decided to drop small cars from the US lineup. Cutting corners and being reactive is SOP at Ford. The Explorer was their bread and butter, core to their vision, and what did they do? Rush it to market with a load of major issues. The real surprise is that consumers keep falling for marketing BS. Of course, it doesn't help that many in the automotive press are complicit in pushing the hype.
@AntonioPerez-gj7js
@AntonioPerez-gj7js 7 ай бұрын
@@maweitao Couldn’t agree more.
@WhiteLivesMatterPL
@WhiteLivesMatterPL 7 ай бұрын
Still waiting for this channel to mention thermal runaway problem.
@matusknives
@matusknives 7 ай бұрын
As someone who drives also an EV (one of the last 'old' Hyundai Ioniq with 38 kWh battery) and we got that car for a clear purpose it serves very well (drive up to 100km daily, charge at home) and the price made sense. I frankly do not understand the point of most of the EVs on the market today. Huge, heavy AF, with often ridiculous consumption that turns even a 80+ kWh battery packs into mediocre range - and all that is stuffed into an old architecture. I would like to replace our 'big' car with an EV eventually, but there is basically nothing on the market that would fit and not cost €100k. I guess I have to wait.
@billruss6704
@billruss6704 7 ай бұрын
All they know is ridiculously big. I've been driving a Fiat 500e for 7 years now. Fun to drive, excellent driving feedback, no battery degradation, no mechanical problems ever, can't say enough good things about it. I test drove the Mustang last week, hated it. Just another boat.
@KDillon-gj2uf
@KDillon-gj2uf 7 ай бұрын
Great video! EV shouldn’t be a premium option, and with the government funds should be the budget options, people want to pay less for reliable transportation. They need to go back to selling the reliability and simplicity at a reasonable cost
@howebrad4601
@howebrad4601 6 ай бұрын
The costs of the battery and associated bits is so high that unless we start mining a heck of a lot more for minerals, prices can't come down.
@ouethojlkjn
@ouethojlkjn 6 ай бұрын
@@howebrad4601 Lithium prices have crashed. It is one of the most common elements on the Earth - it is just accessing it economically.
@ouethojlkjn
@ouethojlkjn 6 ай бұрын
I am afraid the Industry does not want to do cheap anymore. They are all taking aim at the high end high profit market. If it is not a Great big Truck or an executive express, it won't be made - and that is all engine types, not just EVs.
@areitu
@areitu 6 ай бұрын
Agreed. Part of the reason why automakers are trying to make EVs full of fancy features is because they need to distinguish it from ICE counterparts. As for simple and reliable, if GM gave the Chevy Bolt faster high speed charging speeds, it'd be just about the perfect "budget" EV. Cheaper than others, very efficient and simple
@mikeydude750
@mikeydude750 4 ай бұрын
Battery technology is too expensive for cheap vehicles is the problem.
@jim3578
@jim3578 6 ай бұрын
We own a Tesla Model Y long range and have driven it from IN to AZ to Main to FL and back to IN without any issues. Our Model Y is the best car we have ever owned and will buy another one
@markmiller4595
@markmiller4595 7 ай бұрын
For any of us that have worked for large corporations and dealt with the idiocy, this is what happens when you try to tell the customer what they want instead of listening to the customer. In fairness to Ford, GM, and other companies, I also think most "car people" understand they're under a lot of pressure to transition to EV's from the investment community and government.
@aussie2uGA
@aussie2uGA 7 ай бұрын
Agreed. Contrast it to Tesla who does zero advertising and sold strictly by word of mouth. The owners loved them and the word spread. Letting people buy what they desire is always the best method.
@michaelkovalsky4907
@michaelkovalsky4907 7 ай бұрын
@@aussie2uGA That's why I think the whole meme about Tesla's build quality is irrelevant. Tesla owners are super loyal, Tesla is technologically ahead of all competitors. Them opening up their charging infrastructure could be a loss, but, it all depends on how other OEMs configure their software to talk with the chargers
@KeithSchwerin
@KeithSchwerin 7 ай бұрын
@@michaelkovalsky4907 I dont know if that makes it "irrelevant" it just means that people like to feel an air of superiority about driving something they see as "the future" no matter what issues it has. Personally, I don't care if its the future if it has early '00's GM build quality and panel gaps. To me the fact I have to look and interact with a screen instead of using muscle memory to know I need to hit the 2nd button on the right for my AC to turn while driving makes it a heavily flawed vehicle.
@an-dr6eu
@an-dr6eu 7 ай бұрын
Nonsense. Customers lack the vision. If all you did was listen to customers innovations would stagnate. The issues with any corporation, large or small, is always a lack of proper internal process. They are not respected, sometimes not known, sometimes totally ignored, and they end up affecting the end product. Lack of proper management and leadership is also an enemy of modern enterprises. POs constantly pushing for more and more features and requirements and constantly ignoring QA and needed refinements. Never fully committing to an end goal, constantly changing their minds during the dev process, constantly sucking up to the higher ups and making promises that compromise the end product.
@ChrisFromFloriduh
@ChrisFromFloriduh 7 ай бұрын
@@an-dr6euyou must not play video games, lol. Gamers can create better products than multi-billion dollar companies.
@M1911jln
@M1911jln 7 ай бұрын
I agree with you that branding this car as a Mustang was a mistake. It devalues the Mustang brand.
@davidmccarthy6061
@davidmccarthy6061 7 ай бұрын
No it doesn't, otherwise just cancel "Mustang". In 30 years everything will be BEV, so are you saying there shouldn't be any carryover names from the ICE era?
@Sashazur
@Sashazur 7 ай бұрын
The Mustang II just called from 1973 and would like to have a word.
@truantray
@truantray 7 ай бұрын
Not the first time Ford has butchered the Mustang brand. But what idiots buys a car because of a brand?
@churchofmarcus
@churchofmarcus 7 ай бұрын
​@@davidmccarthy6061the problem with the Mach E isn't being electric, it's being a god damn crossover.
@conchobar
@conchobar 7 ай бұрын
@@Sashazur Or the fact that the Probe was a Mustang in concept.
@ibdubbya2
@ibdubbya2 7 ай бұрын
I appreciate that my dude wore a Gulf-branded track shirt in this video. Pro-level, ambient trollage.
@davidmenasco5743
@davidmenasco5743 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, it speaks volumes.
@davidfaustino4476
@davidfaustino4476 Ай бұрын
The fact that it doesnt have an ICE is the exact reason why I want one. Im an electrical engineer and ICE vehicles are too complex and rely on too many fluids and things like compression and gaskets to work properly over a long time. Im all set. I'll gladly slap a new battery in one of these in 6 years and literally get a brand new vehicle.
@frinkie
@frinkie 7 ай бұрын
I know some guys who just upset some Ford EV reps. Keep up the good work.
@stoff3r
@stoff3r 7 ай бұрын
If it was a gasoline suv with 490 hp looking this good you would probably be more positive? Its hard to Watch this channel with all the negative bias towards electric cars.
@rexe3139
@rexe3139 7 ай бұрын
@@stoff3rYeah because it wouldn’t weigh 5000lbs so it would actually be fast, Still couldn’t call that mustang though even if it was gas
@daniels2761
@daniels2761 7 ай бұрын
​@@stoff3rthey aren't negative, they're realistic. You're just used to media simping for whatever manufacturers put out.
@entertained...
@entertained... 7 ай бұрын
@@stoff3r honesty/reality is often a hard pill to swallow.
@thatoneotherotherguy
@thatoneotherotherguy 7 ай бұрын
@@stoff3r agreed, as much as I like the Savagegeese team over the six years I've been watching, their stance on EVs is overly pessimistic relative to the realities. Glass half empty, always rounding down. The reality is the grid is adapting and strengthening in sufficient time for the slow switchover from ICE to EV, the tech is getting better and better, EVs have far less mechanical components and failure points than ICE, far cheaper running costs (drastically lower in some parts of the country), US EV market share among new vehicles is above 8% and of course continuing to rise, and that price concerns are steadily being addressed as the tech improves and the factories ramp up (such as the $2-4k price drop on the 2024 Ioniq6 compared to 2023, and the wild Tesla price drops of the last year). The Mach E does not drive poorly, but yes, it would've been a better package if they had spent another year on design before getting it out... like Hyundai/Kia did with their superior products. The Mach E is no less reliable than any ICE SUV with Legendary Ford Reliability they're putting out; would one rather have an Escape? I'm expecting the next gen (third gen?) of EVs to be remarkably good, which isn't hard when the default is a 2.0L turbo crossover with a CVT or billion speed automatic begging for huge repair bills as the odometer hits six digits.
@SukhpreetSingh-bd3wo
@SukhpreetSingh-bd3wo 7 ай бұрын
I own a Mach-E and if I was to sell it right now, I would definitely miss it. It is a great car, handles nicely, and almost no maintenance outside of tire rotation and fluid top ups for me.
@stvkomer
@stvkomer 7 ай бұрын
😆
@oldarkie3880
@oldarkie3880 7 ай бұрын
How about possibly not able to get insurance? A menace when it catches on fire.
@2003evodave
@2003evodave 7 ай бұрын
I was given an early production model Mach-E to do long term test driving in freezing and rain conditions. I was pleasantly surprised with its range, performance, comfort and driving quality. The only negative I could find with the car was the price and wish I could have driven the GT performance model.
@JonathanEzor
@JonathanEzor 7 ай бұрын
@@oldarkie3880You are swallowing whole the propaganda put out by the fossil fuel industry and its cheerleaders. Gasoline cars catch fire far more frequently and readily than do electric ones (gasoline is supposed to burn, after all), and insurance isn't a problem, especially since there are far fewer moving parts to be replaced during repairs. Also, EVs have no catalytic converters to be stolen, reducing insurance costs further.
@CaptainRotmeat
@CaptainRotmeat 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I honestly was only expecting to own this car for 2-3 years, but now that I've had it that long, I don't know if I'll be able to give it up.
@silcozot
@silcozot 7 ай бұрын
I do own this car GT performance and I do love it, can't get my wife out of it she loved her Subaru until I bought this car. We rarely fast charge so maybe this is good. This is a fast smooth handling dream to drive. The biggest reason people are not buying is interest rates. When GM gets the new pick up out I will likely get one. My daily driver is a 3500 Ram
@michaelmackey754
@michaelmackey754 3 ай бұрын
I totally agree with you about how the car was created out of panic, but sometimes great things come that way, and in my opinion, they hit the ball out of the park with the Mach E!
@Druezy
@Druezy 7 ай бұрын
It will be interesting to see how all of these brands clean up the mess they made of their EV sector. It was completely rushed and it seems like Toyota truly was the only one who had enough thought to take a step back and wait. The reason I say Toyota is because they have always been cautious when it came to the adaption of EVs. Sure this first generation car isn't great, none of them ever are. It is going to take a lot more than a good EV crossover to make people go electric in large numbers. Toyota is waiting for solid state and is starting to build a platform for those batteries, now that has a chance to be a homerun. This market has already chosen Tesla. Another 300 mile vehicle isn't going to take away enough market share to be worth it, this goes back to my point about the Prius. Go look at how many millions they've sold, let alone hybrids in general.
@robertide5182
@robertide5182 7 ай бұрын
Every OEM, including Toyota, is too proud to admit they might have been wrong. The ones who tried to pivot in the last few years thought it would be the easiest thing in the world. Those like Toyota thought they were smarter with Hydrogen or Solid State batteries and have shown they didn’t know what they were talking about.
@ThomisticAmerican13FOX
@ThomisticAmerican13FOX 7 ай бұрын
OEMs did rush, but the it was the government pressure causing them to do so. It is a mess
@CHUDHUCKER
@CHUDHUCKER 7 ай бұрын
Mazda tried too, I think their investment was small vs the rest of the industry though.
@leviathan5207
@leviathan5207 7 ай бұрын
Toyota? Really? Their first gen EVs are among the worst, in my opinion.
@towelies4884
@towelies4884 7 ай бұрын
@@leviathan5207agreed. The absolute worst
@ConfirmedPatriot
@ConfirmedPatriot 7 ай бұрын
Ford thought by building an EV and calling it a Mustang ‘people will come’. More like ‘people will run’, away…
@georgeburns7251
@georgeburns7251 7 ай бұрын
Didn’t they do that with the Ford 500 renamed Tarurs. Sales continued to tank
@audiguy28
@audiguy28 7 ай бұрын
People aren’t as dumb as they think we are
@cpal1871
@cpal1871 7 ай бұрын
Putting the mustang badge on this EV was a joke, and will always be a joke. Regardless of its performance.
@robertjones7565
@robertjones7565 7 ай бұрын
@@cpal1871 ---It was Bill Ford's idea to slap the "Mustang" moniker on it thinking people would buy them just for that. Just calling it the Mach E would have been fine.
@cpal1871
@cpal1871 7 ай бұрын
@@robertjones7565 exactly.
@mmebel92
@mmebel92 6 ай бұрын
Interesting point of view. I drive the Mach-E for two years now here in Belgium, and is a great car. Compared to a gasoline car, it is way better: quicker, faster acceleration, due to weight a more stable feeling, and no need to fill it up. It never let us down, icy roads, -15°C temperature, snow, no issues with this car. We did quite some road trips with it, and the time we spend due to charging was not significantly more than with gasoline car. Now you see them more on the roads here, but certainly, in the beginning this car was a head turner. And that you want also with your car!
@user-lj9ld8ir1e
@user-lj9ld8ir1e 4 ай бұрын
Ill put money that my ICE GT is faster than your piece of junk.My GT winds off over 260kph.Your crap couldn't keep up,plus the battery would flatten in a heartbeat.BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Keep kidding yourself,muppet.
@julianhodgson1961
@julianhodgson1961 4 ай бұрын
Just a quick question-from start to finish I’m in and out of the gas station in about five minutes filling up my petrol car to get roughly a 400 mile range - how many minutes do you have to spend charging your EV car to be able go 400 miles?
@mmebel92
@mmebel92 4 ай бұрын
Hello, I just checked my charging logbook, the last time I used a fast charger from +/- 20 % to 80 %, it took a half hour, it was freezing at that time, so the loading performance was not ideal. I only use fast chargers for road trips. I charge normally at home during night. The same amount takes 6 hours at home.
@joelsokoloff1980
@joelsokoloff1980 7 ай бұрын
Professor Kelly is a top notch teacher. I'm glad to see the mention.
@cwestinx
@cwestinx 7 ай бұрын
The charging infrastructure should’ve been developed first, as a joint venture from car manufactures that wanted to enter this business segment.
@Taykorjg
@Taykorjg 7 ай бұрын
Car manufacturers didn't build the roads why would you think they'd pay to build charging infrastructure
@gregb7353
@gregb7353 7 ай бұрын
@@Taykorjg Because no one else is doing it. This isn't like a gas station, they are only used for 5% of miles driven and can't support themselves with Twinky and Cola sales.
@Zextraterrestrial
@Zextraterrestrial 7 ай бұрын
Tesla offered a joint venture early on? OEM didn't want to enter this business segment! it's a losing proposition for them
@davew2040x
@davew2040x 7 ай бұрын
That would certainly be one way to ensure that electric cars never take off ever.
@sergeysmelnik
@sergeysmelnik 7 ай бұрын
Even if there was more charging infrastructure, who the hell wants to sit for an hour to charge their car
@joseacuna3239
@joseacuna3239 7 ай бұрын
The points made on this video are so profound and yet so down to earth and you guys managed to bring it in a very decent and subtle way. A masterpiece for an over-average viewer, and a bullion-holder individual.
@alexpascal5403
@alexpascal5403 7 ай бұрын
Now imagine him on his knees, providing brain 🧠 to your daughter. 😮😮 Does your opinion change after the hypothetical illustration?
@JK4507
@JK4507 7 ай бұрын
You couldn't have said it any better...This video was a masterpiece
@alexpascal5403
@alexpascal5403 7 ай бұрын
@@JK4507 thx
@USGrant21st
@USGrant21st 7 ай бұрын
They are totally missing the point in this video. If I were buying a car today it would have been Mach-E. You can't compare driving dynamics of an ICE vehicle with an EV. It's a totally different world. My daughter is BMW fan, she wanted one from when she was 14. She has now driven three BMW models, and she loves them, but she agreed driving Mach-E is a much more satisfying experience. The car looks great, it drives great. And it's foolish to say that it's overpriced. My wife's SUV cost almost the same, but Mach-E is better in every respect, except size. Add to that that it costs 1/5 per mile of a similar sized ICE vehicle, you don't need those frequent oil changes and service, you don't need to go to a gas station. So even from a pure cost perspective Mach-E will save you $20,000 during its lifetime compared to a similar priced SUV.
@davidmenasco5743
@davidmenasco5743 6 ай бұрын
To me, this video smacks of *hit piece.* The funniest part is, if you scroll through the comments, there are dozens and dozens of Mach-e owners commenting. All of them, every single one, has drawn the opposite conclusion of these reviewers. They all love the car. If you want to know what's wrong with the Mach-e, check out Munro Live. They dished the dirt under the hood, in great detail (and yeah, it boils down to the same thing: they could increase efficiency a lot by going with a clean slate design) But none of that means it's a not a great car to drive. And none of that means there's no reason to buy it over an ICE car. On these two points, the Goose clearly got it wrong. When your key points are subjective, the opinions of actual owners matter. And the owners love the car.
@SaraK_69
@SaraK_69 5 ай бұрын
The whole point of EV's were supposed to be that they are cheaper to make, simpler, and affordable and that was supposed to be passed onto the consumer.
@horseathalt7308
@horseathalt7308 5 ай бұрын
@SaraK_69 ....and it was ALL a LIE!
@jonboll2066
@jonboll2066 4 ай бұрын
The most expensive part is the batteries and half the time they fail.. figures
@itburnswhenip1963
@itburnswhenip1963 7 ай бұрын
Professor John Kelly has been a favorite of mine for a long time glad to see you guys enjoy his videos as much as I do. The best part of this car to me is the drive line of it. That drive unit is quite interesting what they did in it. For an otherwise unexciting car.
@irfanhusein1445
@irfanhusein1445 7 ай бұрын
Good explanation about the possible problems. I own a 2021 Mach e. My vehicle received an on the air update so I did not have to take it in for this issue. I have 59,000 miles on my MachE, and so far I’ve had no problems. I mostly charge at home, however I’ve taken numerous road trips including one from Los Angeles to Vancouver Canada and I do think this is an amazing vehicle. I do own a model 3 as well, however I prefer driving the Mach E. You guys are experts in the automotive field, but I thought I should share an owners opinion.
@Ethan7s
@Ethan7s 7 ай бұрын
Having worked in engineering, the contactor issue is highly concerning. Not only because Ford changed up parts without considering the consequences, but it tells me there was no final product validation testing for the longer range version, where they would've found the problem and could've fixed it before it went to market. Whoever signed off on that just lost Ford a lot of money in recalls and reputation.
@ohger1
@ohger1 7 ай бұрын
I'm a Tesla S owner, and anyone who doesn't realize that the Mach is a great first EV effort is just ignoring what's right. I had a Mach E for two weeks while my S was being repaired (collision) and this is one buttoned up vehicle. There are a few wrinkles Ford will need to iron out but the Mach is a joy to drive, and my father in law (who owns it) has had zero issues in about 24K miles. The car is quiet, smooth, and rides every bit as good as my S and probably better. EDIT: right now as I type this, high $20k Machs are not available near me. I was looking in case I wanted to add a Mach E to my driveway. Any Mach in the 15,000 mile range used are listed in the mid $40k.
@TheBandit7613
@TheBandit7613 6 ай бұрын
I like the Mach E. I have a mint 73' Mustang Mach One for weekend fun. I'd like a commuter car. Is there any car rental places that rents electric vehicles to try out? I'd like to rent one for a couple weeks to see how it fits into my life.
@tuminatr
@tuminatr 6 ай бұрын
I have seen these at Avis but YMMV @@TheBandit7613
@andreisevostianov9525
@andreisevostianov9525 6 ай бұрын
@@TheBandit7613try Turo
@tompastian3447
@tompastian3447 6 ай бұрын
Good luck getting parts from Ford after a few years, when they become NA, as is typical with Ford vehicles. Good luck getting the battery parts aftermarket too. That would be a very expensive part for the aftermarket to risk investing in.
@TheBandit7613
@TheBandit7613 6 ай бұрын
@@tompastian3447 What are you even talking about? Hyundai is totaling brand new cars because of a scratch on the skid plate. Battery is $65,000 installed on a $55,000 car. We (city of Las Vegas) have no trouble getting anything for our Ford Superduties, we have about 9000 of them. Most commercial workplaces still use Ford over any other brand. We have very little trouble with them. Can't use Toyota or Nissan, we load them too heavy. Beware of ANY EV. Tesla included. Needing a new battery is a certainty.
@dgilles428
@dgilles428 6 ай бұрын
I have had my Mach-e GTpe for over 2 years and love it as much as the day I got it.. more fun than any GT500 or Mustang GT's I have owned and unlike Tesla, it drives exactly like an ICE vehicle, except for the smooth, quiet, insane acceleration, I will buy another when they offer more power and fix the 5 second issue. Also unlike Tesla, I have Android Auto, Alexa, Homelink, SiriusXM, BLIS, no hands liftgate, etc.
@hmisay4976
@hmisay4976 7 ай бұрын
To preface this comment, I'm 32 and I've lived in California all of my life. This isn't a shit post, this is just the passion of one guy with a weird taste in funky cars. I was incredibly excited for the Mach-E when it was announced. The last time I was this hyped for a vehicle release it was the first gen Scion XB, the toaster. I see a number of Mach-Es on my way to and from work and they always stand out to me as looking special. I have a collection of various diecast models of it and even a RC car of the Mach-E 1400. This car was my goal, I'd save up, turn in my Sonata, and get my Mach E. And it's painful seeing the reality of these cars when the pretty sheen is pulled away, but it's also why I love this channel and appreciate the brutal honesty. It keeps impulsive and easily impressed people like me from taking truly terrible decisions.
@davidmenasco5743
@davidmenasco5743 6 ай бұрын
I recommend reading the many comments from Mach-e owners. It seems maybe these reviewers were a bit impulsive.
@zarbon700
@zarbon700 7 ай бұрын
Cold weather states, apartment/condo dwellers and the hassle of having to plan ahead charging for long distance trips are the biggest hurdles for EV to overtake ICE and hybrid.
@fortheloveofnoise9298
@fortheloveofnoise9298 7 ай бұрын
also really hot states as well
@zarbon700
@zarbon700 7 ай бұрын
@@fortheloveofnoise9298 Most hot states have an average temperature that allows EVs to have optimal performance.
@mark33545
@mark33545 4 ай бұрын
My mach-e had the junction box problem, its a premium awd extended range. Since it’s been fine, i actually like the car. I dont plan on keeping it beyond the extended warranty though. The value is horrible though, i paid almost $60k in Jan 2022, now it’s worth like 25k, that is horrible.
@chickenhawk212
@chickenhawk212 7 ай бұрын
When your arguing for or against electrification, the savings in maintenance, repairs, and efficiencies are real. Also the convenience of plugging in at home base every night especially if you’re a fleet customer. I don’t know if the maintenance and repairs issue applies to ford. Probably not. But it does apply to tesla and probably BSD and hyundai
@hsvmwcs3852
@hsvmwcs3852 7 ай бұрын
I've always had a strong preference for Ford and Mustang, so on the day Ford opened orders for the Mach-E, I sat by my computer waiting for the countdown on the screen to finish. The moment it was available, I submitted my order, hoping to get my hands on the Mustang Mach-E as soon as possible. Unfortunately, just after driving over a thousand miles, the HVAC needed to be completely replaced, followed by a damaged battery. Coupled with the indifferent attitude of an unscrupulous STEALERship, my Mach-E spent thirteen weeks with the dealership for repairs. Ford took the initiative to offer a repurchase at the original price, ending my twenty-month nightmare. As you said in your video, I don't miss it one bit, and I will never again purchase any Ford or Lincoln vehicle.
@stanmarcusgtv
@stanmarcusgtv 7 ай бұрын
so, truth in advertising, they should have called it the Mach-Edsel
@youngroosevelt38
@youngroosevelt38 7 ай бұрын
Wow that sounds like a terrible experience, at least you got your money back
@hsvmwcs3852
@hsvmwcs3852 7 ай бұрын
@@youngroosevelt38 Yes, but not without pain. Ford's Repurchase Team gave me a 48-hour ultimatum to sell back the problematic car. Wrestling with them, I realized deeply - to me, it was a $53,125 lemon, but to them, I was just a Case ID. They didn't care at all about the customer experience or suffering, they just wanted to close each case as quickly as possible.
@populisttrope9385
@populisttrope9385 7 ай бұрын
Take it from dealership tech that's been in the business for 20 plus years. Never buy the first model year of any vehicle. Ice or electric.
@andrewfriedman2572
@andrewfriedman2572 7 ай бұрын
Jack lookin' sharp in that McLaren hoodie 😍 Seriously though, I always find it illuminating when you guys go into depth on battery chemistry and cooling. Great video!
@nwragsdale
@nwragsdale 7 ай бұрын
I remember a great quote from the CEO of Ford, in the original "who Killed the Electric Car. His quote was," You cannot sell a limited use product at a full use price ". Still true.
@ricktotty2283
@ricktotty2283 7 ай бұрын
I agree partially with your critique of the Mack E. I think the thing that it gives you that gas don’t has been left out. You see, I’m not a climate guy but am an EV guy. The car doesn’t have any emissions on the uses end. For me, it smoother, quieter, and less maintenance. I been driving them since 2011 and Hybrids since 2007. There are many things that I can think of that it offer that gas don’t. The single reason I haven’t purchased a Mach E is the price. I have sat in them. I have been asked if I wanted to drive one. I told them well there wasn’t any need, because I won’t pay that much for any car. I don’t need a race car. If they were $35,000, I’d have one today.
@masroor
@masroor 7 ай бұрын
As an owner, and a very happy one at that, of a Mach E, let me share some of my thought process for the purchase. First of all, I wanted an EV. The instant torque, the NOT going to the gas station, the quietness of the ride (more on that later) and -honestly - the simplicity of the EV drive train just attracts me to the EV concept. Secondly, why the Mach E? A few reasons. Initially what attracted me to it was how it looked. To me at least, it looks a damn sight prettier than a Model 3 or Model Y. I also did not like the minimalist interior of Model 3/Y. The next positive was that frankly I did not like the closed network of parts etc. that Tesla has as I disagree with that philosophically (shout out to Rich Rebuilds). Next is that I still believe it is built better than the 3/Y. The cabin is a lot quieter than 3/Y with less road noise and rumble. It also looks better put together, no squeaks and rattles and the panel gaps are all just better. Yes, it does not have a great charging network and yes this is Ford’s first attempt at figuring this EV business out but as a first attempt I really like it. My use case for this car is an in town running about car that comes home in the evening. After owning it for 1 year, I have yet to charge it outside as it exclusively gets charged at home. I could not care one bit if they had called it something else rather than a ‘Mustang’. I think that’s just a dumb marketing dept group think, but as a car I look forward to driving it every day. Would I go back to a premium ICE car after this one? Absolutely not.
@qwikz28
@qwikz28 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for writing this. I don't have an EV but will buy one. I get that it doesn't work for everyone, but it does for some and the quietness, instant torque, lack of maintenance and convenience of home charging are enough for me to pay a premium. I don't recall ever driving more than 200 miles in a day anyways.
@TwinsAndAPitBull
@TwinsAndAPitBull 7 ай бұрын
Nice writeup and congrats on the purchase! None of the EVs have really done it for me yet, but I’ll be purchasing one on my vehicle reimbursement program at work when I’m due for a replacement in 2025.
@JBrown-go8ru
@JBrown-go8ru 7 ай бұрын
I had a shocked look on my face when you said, "quiet ride." I then saw that you compared it to a Tesla, so I give you a pass. My wife owns a 2022 BMW X5, and she has been interested in an EV. She likes the look of the Mach E versus what we see everyone driving, the Tesla. Long story short, after a weekend test drive allowed by a dealership, we found the Mach E to be low in quality with the interior, and noise level to be abysmal. The only thing she liked, as most people point out, was the instant torque. In the end, we have decided to just go with a German EV, if she really wants to move to an EV, as Ford dealerships are pricing these vehicles as luxury cars, when they can't come close to luxury brands in regards to fit & finish. The cars are definitely overpriced for what you get.
@churchofmarcus
@churchofmarcus 7 ай бұрын
This is exactly how I feel about my EV motorcycle. My next car is also going to be an EV. In my experience, almost everyone who has owned an EV loved it and would not go back to gas. As much as I hate to lump Savage Geese in with them, I think most of this anti-EV content is just clickbait. I really don't think people are mad that a better version of their car comes out years later.
@thedopplereffect00
@thedopplereffect00 7 ай бұрын
So you admit it's a totally useless vehicle for most people because you can't drive it out of town?
@ramanapixelxl7572
@ramanapixelxl7572 7 ай бұрын
Man, the tone on ev cars has shifted dramatically in the last few months.
@deansmits006
@deansmits006 7 ай бұрын
One down quarter, and apparently it's the end of EVs
@dansanger5340
@dansanger5340 7 ай бұрын
Ignore the media narrative and look at the facts. EV sales this year are up 50% over last year.
@RedArrow220
@RedArrow220 7 ай бұрын
It's been like the last two weeks. These guys were just reviewing the Mustang and waxing philosophically on the inevitability of a BEV only future. I'm getting whiplash from the sudden change in rhetoric.
@zoltrix7779
@zoltrix7779 7 ай бұрын
Only in non Teslas.
@kc2dc444
@kc2dc444 4 ай бұрын
We love ours. Had it for about six month now. It's been great. We also have a BMW plug in hybrid X5 which we use for longer trips etc. These electric cars are great, but only if you have a level 2 home charger and you rarely if ever charge in public. I think if you fit that criteria, you probably already have an electric car. That's why the market is drying up for fully electric cars.
@kirkericson2722
@kirkericson2722 7 ай бұрын
Agree with the tenor of this video, although the Mach E has actually grown on me over the past couple of years, thanks to a neighbor owning one and me seeing it everyday. EVs still don't make sense for a lot of people, but the government is mandating their proliferation - the manufacturers are simply marching to the tune of their drummer. In the mean time, I'll keep driving my 3 row, V8 powered luxury SUV 'til the wheels fall off.
@davidmenasco5743
@davidmenasco5743 6 ай бұрын
EVs make sense for everyone who cares how much their great grandkids will have to eat for dinner. That's pretty much what's at stake. How quickly we stop burning fossil fuels will determine how bad the crops failures are 50 or a hundred years from now, and how many millions of people are displaced from the area where they grew up. So when they say, "there's no reason to buy this car," they're leaving out a big one. And it's not the only good reason.
@echodelta2172
@echodelta2172 5 ай бұрын
@@davidmenasco5743 wow, you're chanting the exact same line that's been dragged out in front of you gullible cattle for the last 60 years.
@davidmenasco5743
@davidmenasco5743 5 ай бұрын
@@echodelta2172 I'm repeating the concern voiced by Edward Teller on behalf of the nation's physicists, when he gave an invited address to the American Petroleum Institute in 1959. Teller, in case you don't recall, was for several decades the favorite scientist of the political right in the US. He had a column in Reader's Digest and served (unofficially, I believe) as a spokesman for several right wing causes.
@strangerdanger8462
@strangerdanger8462 5 ай бұрын
What a load of crap. EVs are not saving the planet. Stop with the BS. Better mass transit. Clean alternative fuels like efuel from Porsche. Folks keeping their cars for longer. These are more sensible options. To tell me that such a resource- intensive thing as an EV with a huge carbon footprint in its manufacture, not to mention a lot of components in EVs are made from derivatives of oil. Wake up mate. The grandkids will be fine😂
@Pyrrho_
@Pyrrho_ 4 ай бұрын
@@davidmenasco5743 With all the depopulation from declining birthrates, we won't need to worry about having enough food -- it'll be having enough people.
@ecampbel
@ecampbel 7 ай бұрын
Mach E owner here, couple comments. Very honest video. The HVJB issue explanation is one of the cleanest I’ve seen on the internet. Full credit to you for that and thanks for talking about it for those who don’t understand it yet, outside of the forums it’s hard to find good information on it. I absolutely agree the pricing isn’t competitive yet, and as an owner, looking at the resale value is frustrating. I do think you guys have ignored some of the innate advantages EVs have over ICE vehicles while discussing the car however. People debate whether this is a good or bad thing about EVs, but they are much more “appliance like” than an ICE vehicle. I do not maintain this car; no oil changes (or fluids at all really), rare break changes due to the regen breaking, no belts to worry about, and thousands of fewer parts to potentially fail long term than with an ICE. Turn the stupid acceleration noises off and it’s much quieter than an ICE as well. Sure, the screen looks like a tablet slapped on the dash, but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t enjoy my Apple CarPlay at 2x+ the size in my wife’s car. I don’t think range anxiety is a real thing for 95%+ of the actual driving occuring in America. Even charging only to 90% to maintain the longevity of my battery, I have 260 miles of range every day when I wake up. How much of America actually needs more than that in any given day? Sure, CCS networks are garbage, but Ford is wisely moving to NACS, which is a big step towards fixing that. The “new ground” being broken here is the platform transition itself. I really think that’s being undervalued by your analysis. I think it’s kind of unrealistic to expect more than that from these manufacturer first attempts, they have to start somewhere. We’ve never seen a platform transition of this magnitude in our lives before - for the last century, it’s just been a refinement of ICE. Don’t undervalue the effort and significance of getting even just a passing grade with these first efforts. Am I looking forward to what the future holds for EVs, both in technology improvements and price drops? Absolutely. We will see some massive leaps in the coming decade. Would I still buy this car again over an ICE alternative? Also absolutely. First video I’ve watched from you guys, will definitely be watching more. Cheers
@jameschristian1549
@jameschristian1549 7 ай бұрын
As a senior citizen (67 years old) I don't see myself driving an electric car. I thought about a Mini electric, but with a range of only 110 miles just traveling around Ohio would be difficult for a lack of charging stations. But as your video points out, first generation electric cars are not better than ICE vehicles. Keep up with the honest reviews.
@aussie2uGA
@aussie2uGA 7 ай бұрын
You’re missing some clear benefits you may not have considered: As close to zero maintenance that there is. When you approach it, it unlocks the doors for you. When you get in, it’s already “on”. When you get out, just walk away - it turns off, rolls up the windows for you and locks the doors. Extremely quick for on ramps, merging, passing. Everyday you get into it, it has a full tank again as it charged overnight. Very few wearable parts in the drivetrain greatly increases longevity. There are many factors older people are unaware of that just make day to day driving easier and more enjoyable in something like a Tesla.
@jameschristian1549
@jameschristian1549 7 ай бұрын
But as I stated the charging stations are few and far between in Ohio. I understand the benefits of owning one. My car has the same features as the electric car ( unlocks when I approach it) by the way I bought a 2023 GTI and it is the last car I will own. If you do some research on electric cars, they are not going to save the planet and are really just as bad for the environment as ICE cars. I don't believe that we humans are hurting the planet and climate change has been happening since the Earth first came into existence.
@davehilling3944
@davehilling3944 7 ай бұрын
@@aussie2uGA I understand some of those items but there are ICE cars that do most of the fancy wizz bang stuff already. Heck my 2006 Infiniti unlocked when I walked up to it as does my Lincoln though I have to grab the door handle first. It would be nice to charge every night.....if I had a garage. I doubt most would like me running an extension cord across the sidewalk. Now I completely agree as I hit 70 yeah not having to do all the maintenance would be great. Just like anything there are those they work great for and those they don't. I think what turns most off is really the poor state of non-tesla charging, and the feeling we are going to be pushed into them come hell or high water when in many cases they are inferior to ICE vehicles in some ways while better in others. Interest rates though are an obvious factor in all vehicles at the moment and since many non tesla EVs tend to be over 50K that is a huge turn off.
@aussie2uGA
@aussie2uGA 7 ай бұрын
I hear ya, just wanted to share my perspective after coming from 20+ years of buying german performance cars. The Tesla does represent a "lithium golf cart experience" in that you need do nothing to it but hop in the seat and press the pedal. Maintenance is keeping tires with tread on it. It's been a game changer. Here's to hoping you can get even a 110V outlet near where you might park one :)@@davehilling3944
@michaelmackey754
@michaelmackey754 4 ай бұрын
We have owned a Mach E for over a year now and it is the absolute best car ever! My wife and I would never go back to ice vehicles again
@heraldofvati2123
@heraldofvati2123 7 ай бұрын
I got my GT in 2021. Only paid MSRP, even though dealer tried to tack on $5k at the last minute. Only have had a few glitches and no dreaded hvbj failures. I love it as my daily driver; its quick to get up to speed, fun to play around with, has enough featured to justify the cost, and is comfortable to drive on my 30m work commute and the local roads. I just paid it off since I plan on driving it into the ground. I can't really imagine a better car for me.
@ronaldarchibald2506
@ronaldarchibald2506 7 ай бұрын
I bet it does well in mexico. But here in usa it is import trash.
@heraldofvati2123
@heraldofvati2123 7 ай бұрын
@@ronaldarchibald2506 the idea of imports mattered back when most of the components came from the USA... but most don't so who really cares about where the Chinese parts are put together?
@dingleyfarm
@dingleyfarm 5 ай бұрын
Please update us in 3 years
@shahsy3d626
@shahsy3d626 7 ай бұрын
Your channel deserves an Oscar for quality of content . My favorite take on automobiles, really resonate with your thought process. So happy with my MDX type S I bought because of your review!❤
@USGrant21st
@USGrant21st 7 ай бұрын
LOL. Their content is a total BS 😅
@mminnillo1
@mminnillo1 7 ай бұрын
Lots of great points. I've had a GT for a year, and while I do love the car, I've had that contactor failure happen to me twice in the first 20k miles. I'm hoping they figure their shit out through this recall, or Ford will be buying it back.
@DanielDaniel1
@DanielDaniel1 7 ай бұрын
Can you please tell me what drove you to the Mach E over a Tesla or other EV?
@mminnillo1
@mminnillo1 7 ай бұрын
@@DanielDaniel1 I had a model 3 performance before my Mach E. It was fine, but felt too sterile in how it handled and drove. Fast as hell, no doubt. The Mach E has a more playful chassis. It squats, dives, and rolls, like the Mustang that Ford named it after. Overall, more personality. Also, I'm tall and need to fit 2 kids seats in the back seat. With the model 3, I had to move my seat forward enough to accommodate that it was a bit uncomfortable. No need to adjust my seat to fit the kids in the Mach E.
@teamcaveman
@teamcaveman 7 ай бұрын
@@DanielDaniel1panel gaps. Looks are by opinion. Maybe the same reason we didn’t all buy Priuses several years back. The abundance of them and the owners thinking they’re better than all others. I think in Europe they’re called w@nkers
@user-ny6bv1ew4c
@user-ny6bv1ew4c 7 ай бұрын
@@mminnillo1 its not a Mustang is it?
@mminnillo1
@mminnillo1 7 ай бұрын
@@user-ny6bv1ew4c depends. Technically, because Ford named it as such, yes. But, a lot of people would agree that it doesn't follow the traditional formula of what a Mustang really is. Personally, I don't use that name. I just call it a Mach E.
@jakethesnake1245
@jakethesnake1245 7 ай бұрын
It is intresting to see people investing large amounts of money into these 1st gen cars that aren't fully proven yet. When i wanted a EV i was worried about that. Whats the longevity on these normal companies EV's? I know tesla has been doing it for a long time now, so i just went with them. Mainly for the reliable aspect but also for the charging network as well.
@johna1761
@johna1761 7 ай бұрын
Auto manufacturers used to have marketing research departments to determine what the consumers wanted, now they just do whatever the government tells them to do.
@Sashazur
@Sashazur 4 ай бұрын
Oh I’m sure they did tons of focus groups for this thing. But if you have an agenda you can get a focus group to find whatever you’re looking for.
@zx-zf6mg
@zx-zf6mg 7 ай бұрын
Jack - "Whenever I'm in this car, it's clearly slippery conditions." 😂
@MHKeonwoo
@MHKeonwoo 7 ай бұрын
the problem is that the Mach E is so expensive for what it is. It does not really offer much compared to Tesla 3/Y and costs more. If you were the customer, what would you buy? I think the answer is clear here.
@SirOsisofLiver
@SirOsisofLiver 7 ай бұрын
After seeing the shit show that is Tesla after purchase support, and the pending class action lawsuit(s), I'd go with the Mach-E or something similar from the legacy manufacturers.
@stoff3r
@stoff3r 7 ай бұрын
Yes, dont support the clown muskovite.
@_PatrickO
@_PatrickO 7 ай бұрын
@@SirOsisofLiver Name specific examples because these are 8 year old arguments by this point. If you do not want to sound like a troll, you need to give at least one specific example for each claim. Ford is the company that knowingly sold cars with defective transmissions for about 10 years and somehow convinced NHTSA not to force a recall because the car dying at speed on an interstate and having a problem that costs 5k to fix is somehow not recall worthy to NHTSA. Ford had to be sued before they fixed anything or reimbursed people and then they tried to do a goofy settlement where they only opened up a one week window for anyone to ask for compensation. Miss the window, you get nothing. GM has a similar history with defects they pump out for years before they are sued and forced to recall. Meanwhile, tesla is doing voluntary mini-recalls within a week of learning about a problem. I think they have such a fast feedback loop, they can start shipping cars to customers on a monday, learn of any defects by friday, and have them corrected in production by the next monday. That is why they keep doing voluntary recalls that only amount to about a week of production. Legacy auto ignores defects and sells people defective cars then fights against recalls. This is their business model. Tesla is changing that by fixing as fast as possible in production to avoid having to do large physical recalls. They don't have to use the recall system for this, but choose to as a way to set an example and expose NHTSA's refusal to hold legacy auto to any kind of standard. " I'd go with the Mach-E or something similar from the legacy manufacturers." You must be super rich to be able to knowingly buy a vehicle that is less efficient than a tesla, more expensive, and has no reliable charging network to drive out of town with. Most people cannot afford to buy more expensive products with less utility.
@icedfirion
@icedfirion 7 ай бұрын
​@@SirOsisofLiverwhat a stupid take.
@rusticroads
@rusticroads 7 ай бұрын
Tesla isn't perfect, and all the sales of non-Tesla EVs shows that there is room in the industry for more than one approach to things. The model 3 and Y are great from a tech perspective and show Tesla's superiority and experience making EVs, but the cars are not great at being cars. Even Tesla fans will tell you that there is a lot "to get used to" when making the switch. Tesla did a smart thing by letting the company take a hit on its historically very high margins in order to keep its position in a market that is running out of early adopters willing to pay more and put up with the issues that come with new technology. The Mach E is about $10,000 too expensive to be competitive in the market, but only because the market leader is $10,000 cheaper. Remove Teslas from the mix, and then do a comparison, and it's not as overpriced as one might think.
@afterburn2600
@afterburn2600 7 ай бұрын
I'm conflicted. I am one of the few who totally understood using the Mustang branding (even though I don't really like it) - they had to make a splash to stand out in a market that is otherwise quite indistinguishable (most modern EVs drive very similarly and are similarly rapid). And if they had named it the Escape-E it would have sounded like a rogue prisoner. Now that I think about it, that would have been awesome. I also don't mind the looks or the features. I've not driven one but at the time of release Ford seemed like the only player bringing some actual competition to Tesla, and I applauded them for it. Electric vehicles, if used right, should eliminate range anxiety - charge them when at home and never have to stop for a top up on your commute ever again. But...combine the growing pains of a new model line, ample competition from other manufacturers, the car-buying populace's inability to let go of the Mustang branding, terrible infrastructure, some terrible dealerships (I've dealt with one that I'd want to deal with again, and that's not many), and very high cost of entry and you have a recipe for slow adoption. I'm happy I didn't buy into the hype, but also sad that this seems to be yet another example of something that could have been a good idea that was mired by the reality of technology and mid-tier execution. Truly this reminds me a lot of VR. Expensive equipment, low adoption, novel approach, and lack-luster long-term stay-ability.
@andrewwaller5913
@andrewwaller5913 4 ай бұрын
It's not a Mustang though, they're just using the name to sell them! It's another average box on wheels, and very expensive too.
@sc3ku
@sc3ku 3 ай бұрын
yeah i think pretty much everyone gets why they used the branding, not just a few… It’s to try and force excitement but it’s a bland blob that was rushed to market. It has no soul of a Mustang, like the 74 Mustang II
@splice247
@splice247 7 ай бұрын
Customers are extremely short sighted, gas prices spiked and everyone rushed to get an EV or hybrid, there were wait lists and mark ups. Now that gas dropped they went back to gas guzzling trucks/SUVs. They look at gas prices today, instead of next year. And the Oems shifted to fill this temp void. Now sales are slumping. If gas was 4-5$ again Mach-es would fly off the shelf.
@moonsapling
@moonsapling 7 ай бұрын
As a European I drive a subcompact diesel Renault SUV. It easily gets 55mpg, it is relatively clean thanks to the AdBlue fluid, and it was relatively cheap to buy. Why the hell people opt to spend so much money on such an expensive and unpractical SUV is beyond me.
@TheBandit7613
@TheBandit7613 6 ай бұрын
People spend money on expensive and impractical things thousands of times every day. A diesel pickup for a single woman. A 2 seat sports car.
@rwilliams79
@rwilliams79 5 ай бұрын
Your car compares to a Chevy Bolt which get 99empg and costs close to $17k USD with tax incentives. This is a midsized, near luxury SUV. They compared it to a BMW x3.
@moonsapling
@moonsapling 5 ай бұрын
@@rwilliams79 I have a range of about 1100km on a single tank of fuel which I can refill for less than 5 minutes... Also Im pretty sure no one compares a Bolt to an X3. Cheers!
@kenhoward3512
@kenhoward3512 7 ай бұрын
There is a gentleman by the name of Monroe who completely disassembles new vehicles and analyzes their construction. I recall him comparing the "engine" compartments of a Mach-E and a Tesla Model 3. The Ford product looked like a crazy mass of wiring and tubing everywhere that simply didn't make sense to him, while the Tesla seemed well-thought-out, with the components arranged in a more sensible way. I am not particularly a Tesla fan, but that comparison, side-by-side, was eye-opening, and not confidence-inspiring for the Ford (or the Ford Motor Company, itself).
@Michael-pi8ps
@Michael-pi8ps 7 ай бұрын
Yup Sandy Monroe. His entire company is based around tearing down machinery and evaluating them for different OEM/Governments. The dude has defense/space contracts if I’m not mistaken. If Sandy says EV’s are viable you better believe him.
@JonathanEzor
@JonathanEzor 7 ай бұрын
Loving my Mustang Mach-E GT after more than a year. No HVBJB problems yet, fun to drive, roomy and practical, and very nice-looking inside and outside.
@7s29
@7s29 7 ай бұрын
Who are you kidding, they're ugly as. Soon you won't be able to give it away.
@march24-lp4pv
@march24-lp4pv 6 ай бұрын
GAYYYYYYYY
@juzoli
@juzoli 7 ай бұрын
If this is the result of forcing EV, then good job. Force it even more!
@AliAlhussaini
@AliAlhussaini 7 ай бұрын
That title couldn’t be more accurate
@resengan123
@resengan123 7 ай бұрын
I think one of the issues that earlelier adopters and some of the more die hard ev pushers need to understand that it's not simply "range anxiety" it's a lack if charging infrastructure. Somewhere around 30%...almost 1/3 of the US population rents. Charging at home isn't an option. Ev charging stations,out side of tesla, aren't nearly as dependable or prevalent as the gas stations. For me that means I want 250 miles, MINIMUM of expected city/communte out of an ev becuase I don't want to go out of my way to charge it more than once every week or 2. If you want mass acceptance. They can't be luxury priced. Ive seen 'But those cheaper ones didn't sell well'.. the only sub 30k models I'm even aware of are the nissan leaf and the chevy bolt. The leaf only gets 150 miles and has a desgin that won't appear to everyone. The bolt, I'd consider if I were in the market Outside of those two models, if all you want is a civic or Carolla noneof the fuel savings or maintenance savings matter if it takes up to 10 years for the price to equal out. Granted you can get that down to 6 years or fewer years if 1. Your income is high enough to have 7500 in tax liability. About 60k if you just take a standard deduction. 2. Drive 15k+ miles per year 3. Can't perform basic routine maintenance. Oil, brakes, battery...maybe a fluid change here and there. You're asking people to pay more for less convenience and just sort of hope tech improves.
@Lazy2332
@Lazy2332 5 ай бұрын
I haven't watched yet but it's important to note that a lot of problems revolving EV's is due to company/shareholder GREED. They don't HAVE to be bad AT ALL.
@desertmodern7638
@desertmodern7638 8 күн бұрын
I drove one and loved the propulsion: it reminded me of a big-block American luxury car from the late 1960s before emission controls sapped the power. Tons of thrust and almost no noise. Addictive. At a lower price, I may have been tempted, but at this point am likely to wait a year or two before making the leap.
@VinegarAndSaltedFries
@VinegarAndSaltedFries 7 ай бұрын
Bought one non GT in 2021….love it. The range is never really a problem. I would say if range is a problem and you need to in your life frequently drive long distances Electric cars aren’t for you and you probably knew that. But if your daily commute is 40 minutes and maybe then you wanna go out at night it’s not really a problem.I think I’ve had to bring it in twice so far so really not that bad. The EV is cheaper for me. What I worry is long term car health but I love some of the safety systems. I got this because it was available over the competitors. I think the main issue with sales is you really need to own your home to want/use an EV.
@bvg6924
@bvg6924 7 ай бұрын
Noooo now they are going to point at me and say “Rich prick” owns his house! 😅😂
@thatoneotherotherguy
@thatoneotherotherguy 7 ай бұрын
Yep. The people complaining about EVs don’t tend to own EVs. The charging gap issue for non single family homes does exist, and we’re working on it. Not a huge problem at the moment because a mere 8% of new car sales are currently EVs. We’ll be lucky to hit 25% by 2030, this transition has a lot of runway to iron out the details.
@str1fe13
@str1fe13 7 ай бұрын
"I think the main issue with sales is you really need to own your home to want/use an EV." I agree, this is the big hurdle I never hear people talk about. Look at the demographic that's most interested in EVs, and it's exactly the demographic that's stuck renting. Without a good way to charge at home why would you buy an EV in the current marketplace? There aren't enough chargers at apartment complexes or workplaces and the charge points around town, if there are ones even convenient to you, are too slow.
@Incomudro1963
@Incomudro1963 7 ай бұрын
@@str1fe13 I never see it addressed how electrics are ever going to be handled in dense urban environments. As a former New Yorker, I can't imagine how EV's will be charged in Brooklyn, Manhattan, the Bronx...
@BoneStack117
@BoneStack117 7 ай бұрын
Technology Connections (KZfaq channel) did a video talking about EV charging and laid out some ways to get EV charging as a renter, but it simply is not possible for many situations. It would suck/be impossible to rely on charging stations only
@alex7344
@alex7344 7 ай бұрын
I think the slow down in EV purchases has to do with a few things... namely: charging infrastructure, interest rates being insane, and the quality of EVs coming out from legacy OEMs.. it'll be interesting to see how OEMs adapt to the smarter consumer.
@te1ephraq
@te1ephraq 7 ай бұрын
... hours-long lines on non-Tesla charging stations...
@dannydaw59
@dannydaw59 7 ай бұрын
When the government rebates for evs changed is when the slower sales happened. No more rebates for high earners.
@beanapprentice1687
@beanapprentice1687 7 ай бұрын
The biggest thing slowing down EV sales is dealerships. They slap ungodly markups on EVs, and they’re not even good at attracting customers to EVs in the first place.
@mal4951
@mal4951 6 ай бұрын
@@te1ephraq you can thank the government by the way (also known as the electrify america disaster)
@davidmenasco5743
@davidmenasco5743 6 ай бұрын
​@@mal4951That's a funny way to look at it. Volkswagen agreed to do EA as compensation for harm that it caused. If not for that agreement with the government, there would be no EA stations at all. Would you then say, thank the government for the lack of chargers? And, the government didn't tell them to suck. They did that all on their own. And, for good measure, EVGo and ChargePoint decided to suck too. This pathological blaming of "the government" for things the government never did, is a big part of why our society is in the many huge messes it's in right now.
@pandy7358
@pandy7358 25 күн бұрын
I am having a tough time with some of the criticism in this one. We have a 2022 Mach E GT Performance which we recently picked up for $35.5USD. For what you get, it is an un heard of value in the used market. We have had two other Mach E Models (GTP and California) with zero issue. We test drove the , Model Y Performance, EV6 GT, Ionic 5 N and the trade off is similar - faster charging speeds in both but with more frequent trips to the charger given the real world range. Saying this - I loved the Ionic 5 N (solid choice), but not for a family. We charge at home on either a 120v or 240v plugs (we have both) and have never run into an issue - this includes long trips up north. We have had the Recall #: 23S56 done via ford - no issues before or after. You cannot get a better performance EV for $35.5USD that does as much as the Mach E can do. We have put 5 adults and a dog comfortably in the car on a long trip - still ripped off sub 4sec 0-60. Cant wait to see what Ford does over the next few years.
@pearlpicard
@pearlpicard 4 ай бұрын
We replaced a 2006 Nissan 350Z with a 2022 MachE 4x Premium. It’s been bulletproof and we love it. Some reviewers loved it. Some didn’t. Different strokes.
@Kurtiscott
@Kurtiscott 7 ай бұрын
My reason for waiting to get an EV or even a hybrid is the ‘premium’ pricing across the board. This Mustang is simply another example of that
@ultrastoat3298
@ultrastoat3298 7 ай бұрын
Its almost like legacy OEM's didn't take Tesla seriously until it was too late and now they are slapping together anything they can get out quick.
@aquaticko
@aquaticko 7 ай бұрын
A lot of hybrids will pay off their price premium quickly, especially if you drive a lot. Comparing like-for-like equipment, the price premium is rarely over 2 grand.
@ultrastoat3298
@ultrastoat3298 7 ай бұрын
@@aquaticko A bad EV and a bad ICE car all in one... hybrids.
@billisdewillis5
@billisdewillis5 7 ай бұрын
@ultrastoat3298 - says the people that have never used or owned one.
@aquaticko
@aquaticko 7 ай бұрын
@@ultrastoat3298 I’m not saying every hybrid is perfect, but having owned one for 3 years/40k miles, I’ve just found myself thinking, every time I’ve been sitting in traffic, or coasting down a hill or to a red light, “wow, if my car wasn’t a hybrid, I’d just be wasting gas right now”; I feel like a self-calculated lifetime average of 49mpg speaks for itself. The specific hybrid I bought-a ‘20 Sonata hybrid-i bought because I’d been seeing a disproportionate number of first-gen Sonata hybrids (2011-2013) compared to the total number of that generation they sold. Of course, Toyota’s hybrid system is also pretty legendarily reliable, too. I just think that if people were more honest with themselves about it, we’d be at like 50% hybrid market share by now. Not all hybrids are good, but a lot of them are.
@emdr-willdavlin
@emdr-willdavlin 7 ай бұрын
We just need a lifted Prius and lifted sienna
@videoviewer2008
@videoviewer2008 7 ай бұрын
RAV4 Prime is a lifted Prius
@austinfrazier7325
@austinfrazier7325 7 ай бұрын
There are companies that make lift kits for Prius. Gives you 1 - 2 inches.
@LPM84.
@LPM84. 7 ай бұрын
Seen a lifted smart car that looked badass! Reminded me of a micro machine toy car 😂😂😂
@fortheloveofnoise9298
@fortheloveofnoise9298 7 ай бұрын
I would rather a slammed Prius.
@methos-ey9nf
@methos-ey9nf 7 ай бұрын
Excellent video. These guys fit a ton of information in a short amount of time.
@davidmenasco5743
@davidmenasco5743 6 ай бұрын
It's basically a hit piece. Look at all the comments from people who actually own a Mach-e. What do they all have in common? Let's see, the two main points of the video are both subjective: The car isn't great, and there's no reason to buy it over an ICE car. On both points, the actual owners have found the opposite to be true. Every single one of them. And not just in the comments to this video. They say it all over the place. When lived experience consistently contradicts the reviewers opinion, what does that mean? It means the reviewer got it wrong.
@patricki7422
@patricki7422 6 ай бұрын
A Ford F150 Lightning was supposed to start under 40k. Then dealers decided to shaft its customers with "market adjustments". Then Ford raises starting price to 49k? That's why. Interesting how other products generally get less expensive over time, except cars and houses.
@Yeroc357
@Yeroc357 7 ай бұрын
The reason new ev sales have slowed is because they're charging too much for new cars and we can't afford shit
@whosdondada
@whosdondada 7 ай бұрын
Another reason
@RussianBotLvl
@RussianBotLvl 7 ай бұрын
I bought an EV largely because of financial reasons. I compared apple to apples with the ICE counterpart/models (even looking at different brands) and the EV was the clear winner in terms of cost of ownership. HOWEVER, this was only true because of government rebates. Also not having to do oil changes is a bonus as I do them myself. I do miss the feeling of being connected to the car in an ICE.
@Morphling92
@Morphling92 7 ай бұрын
These are many reasons I got one too. And the mustang mach e was a top contender so much I put a regular 14-50 plug in my garage over a Tesla wall connector despite my wife having her own Tesla. I think the problem here is more ford. Their two main EVs are too expensive and they tried to shoehorn regular cars into an electric platform. The other is simply pricing. And whether they can make money at the price or not is irrelevant- I found the Mach e acceptable. It’s the fact I also wanted a lightning and was expecting a decent ability to get it at around $50k. But it was the same century old car dealer tactic. No base models at all anywhere. Only platinum or maybe one XLT and all had $7500 premiums or more on pricing. I’m tired of the car dealer BS. Which isn’t talked about enough with Tesla. You find your model and hit buy.
@Brian-li5up
@Brian-li5up 7 ай бұрын
​@alexanderkennedy2969I think if there were stories of long term EV owners actually coming out ahead financially by buying an EV over an ICE car, we'd be seeing them all over the Internet. For the absolute majority of people, it doesn't make sense, and it won't really save you much over the lifetime of the vehicle. I really doubt most people buying these are doing so because of the economy factor
@waynekibbler2710
@waynekibbler2710 7 ай бұрын
I am a little leery of a drastic reduction in cost of ownership. I do get the oil change comment but anything I have referenced tires do wear faster, brakes slower and so on. Some will balance out others will not. Now add in the rapid depreciation on EVs 8 years appears to be the life of one or at least the battery. ICE powertrain will be longer. The other mention in the video is comparing a F150 to Lightening off road, the later with so much as a ding in the battery pack could lead to failure or worse. I live in rural central Ontario Canada, will be years if at all I go EV. The entry cost alone removes them from consideration.
@Brian-li5up
@Brian-li5up 7 ай бұрын
@@waynekibbler2710 I guess I just struggle with the massive push that's happening right now to promote and invest in a technology (EVs) that do not meet the needs of the majority of people. If you're going to completely change the status quo of the automobile industry and do away with ICE, it's a hard sell when the replacement is full of compromises
@betterdeadthanred839
@betterdeadthanred839 7 ай бұрын
I drive Uber and I have decided to do the whole Hertz EV (Tesla) rental thing for a month. I was extremely disappointed. I rented Model 3 with extended range package. Not once did a got nowhere near 345 miles range.....specially not during the Texas heat wave where we had almost 40 days of temperature around 109.....During the 8 hour work day I had to charge it twice.....and if I really decide to push and go for 12 hours, I'd have to hit charging station again....while my 2010 Accord will do almost 400 miles on less than $40......and only one five minute stop.....I'm sorry but EV's are somewhat of scam and a gimmick.....Liberals and rich folks get hard thinking about EV's....mostly cuz they think they're better than everybody else and that they know better.....
@thegarbone
@thegarbone 7 ай бұрын
Comming up on our 3rd year of ownership of a Select RWD I would agree the higher packages are not a "great deal" but for the high 30s on the lower end I would be hard pressed to find an ICE rig that is a fun to drive and I could fuel for free. The average person can not put an oil refinery on their roof..😊
@tombache3426
@tombache3426 6 ай бұрын
I don’t think you are fueling for free. Unless it is from your place of employment. Even if you have solar panels at home you paid an upcharge for the privilege.
@bassandtrebleclef
@bassandtrebleclef 4 ай бұрын
Good example of financial illiteracy.
@mikeydude750
@mikeydude750 4 ай бұрын
Well that's nice if you're allowed to own a home but no one can buy a home anymore unless they already owned one before the rates went up. Home ownership is impossible for new buyers and renters have zero options for home charging.
@msw7021
@msw7021 4 ай бұрын
All those "fuel savings" and more will be spent on a new battery
@Matthewsonlinekiosk
@Matthewsonlinekiosk 7 ай бұрын
For me its not range anxiety, not distribution, but the supply of electricity and the hedge price increase that will come as more people move to EVs. There have been no power plants build in the US in the last 50 years. This needs to ramp up first not the production of EVs
@jamsu7126
@jamsu7126 7 ай бұрын
So i have had one of these for like a year and a half, this comment that Jack is making about if it was comparable in price to a Bronco Sport, he could forgive a lot of its shortcomings, is INSANE!?! If you swapped the battery tech for a gas engine the car would still be way more premium offering than something like a Bronco Sport?? That comment really threw me
@MrChip9821
@MrChip9821 7 ай бұрын
Right, me too, the Bronco Sport isn't comparable to the Mach e, nor an Escape, closer to an Edge which isn't nearly as enjoyable to drive
@rahpowah01
@rahpowah01 7 ай бұрын
I'm really happy you're calling out Ford on the issues with the mach-e. Other outlets aside from yours had absolutely GLOWING reviews of this thing. The reality is that it's been the best reviewed dumpster fire of a car I've ever seen in my life. A lot of reviewers burned their credibility giving this and some other recent turds (the EV hummer) a lavish tongue bath.
@TheAntinowherelane
@TheAntinowherelane 7 ай бұрын
These two are the realest car youtuber's by far. I trust their opinion over any other channel in this platform. Doug is usually okay, but the fact that he was silent on that water coming in from the Hummer EV roof during the test drive is pretty suspicious.
@niuhuskieguy
@niuhuskieguy 7 ай бұрын
Hyundai and Kia have some issues with their EVs as well that aren't being widely talked about either. Surprising as the issue essentially bricks the car.
@sentryion3106
@sentryion3106 7 ай бұрын
@@niuhuskieguyit’s not that bad and certainly nowhere near as bad as what is happening with ford and their hvjb. So far the issue with the Ioniq 5 was first some iccu failure which was promptly recalled with both software and hardware. Then it was the phantom drain of the 12v which was updated through software and happening a lot less nowadays. Most recently it is the charging port overheating at 48a which is bad but nowhere near bricking the car bad.
@xxXZaphodXxx
@xxXZaphodXxx 7 ай бұрын
THIS! Throttle House lost all credibility for me after I watched their Mustang mach-E Video when it came out...I have no doubt these guys care about cars which made it painful to see them forcing themselves to somehow put together a glowing review. Glad I'm not the only one who this bothered to no end.
@grunky0
@grunky0 Ай бұрын
We should expect more and I'm glad for this constructive criticism. With new mustangs we have NACS adoption happening, access to the Tesla charging network, improved battery chemistry and reduced cost, ie more value. The criticism is legit but it's looking at the past, not forward.
@thomasbihn
@thomasbihn 7 ай бұрын
I've had a Tesla Model 3 since mid-2019. I like the styling of this vehicle more than the Model Y or my M3P, but when comparing the two with all factors considered, if I were to make a move, I'd have to get this at a great price to choose it over one of Tesla's offerings. Also, the fact it is manufactured in Mexico is a factor. With interest rates where they are and people being pissed at dealers for taking advantage of supply issues with market adjustments, I think it lead a lot of would-be buyers to hesitate on these. Couple that with this recall, it's not all that surprising they are having more difficulty selling them.
@areitu
@areitu 6 ай бұрын
Something else that doesn't help with EV sales is that dealerships and salesmen have no incentive to sell EVs. Salesmen have to spend more time per customer and dealerships don't get a lot of service revenue from them. Despite being a Tesla skeptic, one of the things I think they did great is selling direct. No shenanigans, test drive one at a showroom, go online, hit "order" and pick up the car in a few weeks at most.
@SLC1995
@SLC1995 7 ай бұрын
I drove a GT. It was surprisingly good and fun to drive!
@joseeduardo4327
@joseeduardo4327 7 ай бұрын
But not to own
@wyattnoise
@wyattnoise 7 ай бұрын
They're both heavy Tesla stock holders and this video was clearly shot while the stock was in a slump earlier this week lol
@robertreynolds8092
@robertreynolds8092 7 ай бұрын
I ordered one, they raised the price by a grand. I cancelled the order and never looked baCK.
@mstnggt66
@mstnggt66 7 ай бұрын
Always enjoy this channel. We have a Mach-E in addition to a 718 GTS 4liter, classic muscles cars, and other fun ICE vehicles. The Mach-E like all electric cars are appliances. There is no emotion to these vehicles. We like our Mach-E for the daily life grind of commuting, running kids around, fighting the people texting and driving on the interstate. Noisy kids eating snacks, traffic, running late to a soccer practice...Mach-E appliance is great. Weekend morning breakfast run in a 718....some of lifes best times.
@alirezasoh
@alirezasoh 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the great content. Very well explained.
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