I sold gravely for 3 years, but had trouble selling them sitting next to so many similar lines, if that makes sense. We gave them a ton of floor space and represented them up front, but still couldn’t really break over 50 mowers a year with them.

We used to sell gravely, it was a hard sale sitting next to grasshopper hustler and bad boy. A very hard sale. Not a bad mower at all. You’ll notice most brands do better when they are stand alone at a dealership. If one brand stands out on features people are drawn to something “different” of that makes sense. On toro/Exmark they don’t exist in our area at all. Almost no presence. Only one guy I know of runs Exmark on his trailers. Kubota sales a lot here, but once the mower goes in the shop a few times they are usually looking to trade to something more affordable on maintenance and upkeep. Ferris I think has priced theirselves out of reach of most educated buyers. We are going to carry the Stihl mowers which are super similiar. Definately gonna be out most expensive mowers, but Stihl’s name and customer service is bar none. I already have 2 72” 18k 40hp vanguards sold and that is just cray cray to me when we have a 72” 35hp bad boy for $11k 😂

I really like them. This month is a $500 rebate so we always sale more. Hustler is offering a full 6 year warranty on the engine and the mower for $500 so that is helping them out too :)

We ended up doing 170 nee mowers for March. I’m pretty sure that was a record for us over the last 14 seasons

I just got the X1 52.Congrats on your new machine

How has your rogue treated you? Looking at them now

@@averysamples6026 It has been good. Powerful, good traction on ditch slopes, smooth riding. The main challenge I've had is due to 'mohawks' of grass strips being left in line with the front wheels. According to BB the grass in northern areas like MN can lead to that when you mow fast. These are worse when the dandelions are sprouting. I know I can slow down and eliminate the issue, but the whole reason I bought this was to shorten mowing times. I'm not going crazy fast. Otherwise I love the mower.

I ordered one last year by mistake. I didn’t realize it was a 27hp kawasaki. Lady bought never heard one complaint, but I was nervous all of our other 72s had 35hp plus

@@kgmowers The Kawasaki FX850 is a real power house motor for 27hp. I have never had any issues mowing tall or wet grass with it. Even on the 72” deck. More horse power can’t be a bad thing, but there was no compromise with FX850. Think the new ones have been bumped up to 29.5 if I’m not mistaken.

I have to replace all my deck spindles every 2-3 years. All hustler super z’s

@@thebrewmore264 you have to grease them every 50 to 100 hours

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Didnt wheelhorse have a chain drive ztr?

@@robertroberts9782 it was a Dixie Chopper painted red

They are my best seller by far. We are having so much trouble keeping them in stock this season

You can of course add leds to any of them for around $150 to $300. We have some pretty cool light kits now.

i like the kubota diesels zds and Fseries front mounts

The grasshopper looks like a well built no nonsense mower. I'm currently shopping. How is their dealer support? I'm leaning in their direction. I looked them up online, and saw that they're still Ma & Pa owned, and built in the U.SA. in Kansas, and have won State awards for being a great employer to work for. They also support wounded vets by donating a Zero turn every year to a wounded vet. All pluses in my book. Thanks for the post by the way.

@@royalway12 Yes, Grasshopper is for sure an "All American" type of company. Not that the others aren't. They've been around forever, they have a solid reputation in the industry and yes, they are American/ family owned. Everyone has their favorite - Grasshopper happens to be mine, but only because that mower I purchased all those years ago has stood the test of time. My experience with dealer support has been very good.

@@williamwalter4882 Thanks for the info. Good day to ya.

So which of these would you prefer on hills?

@@MrThumper1440 … I bought the Hustler Raptor, but it is horrible on side hills. Nothing like my first Hustler Super Mini Z that was much better. I expected the same performance and was wrong. I should have driven more before buying. I’m just warning people to test drive several before deciding. 👍

Have you used Grasshoppers? I see on a lot of these mower sites, they have the fewest service issues of any of these mentioned here. Owners seem to love them.

@@royalway12 yes i have they are a great mower also just about 3 times as much as a BB i run the wheels off my BB its 12 n im just now replacing the spindles but my shop got flooded it sat in water for 3 days ya cant go wrong with either one !

@@raymondj8768 Thanks for the reply. The Sutherland's just a mile up the road from me, is a full line Bad Boy dealer. They also do the repairs there. Looks to me like, the BB is the best out there for bang for the buck. Their frame construction up close is rock solid. What's your thoughts on the stand up mowers?

@@royalway12 there good to depending on how much lawn u have they cut just as well ! BB bilds there stuff like tanks i love them

Have a grasshopper, frnt deck is great kubota diesel has loads of torque.

Bad boy has definately brought some things to the market that caused it to change. Over the last 20 years you’ve seen other brands make brands that sound like them, you seen the way others do business, lowered prices. I’ve been in the industry for 15 years and I’ve seen some special influence that bad boy has brought to an industry that was getting very expensive and lower quality. Bad boy has challenged the industry and they are starting to answer back so it’s helping everyone in the business by driving quality up and prices down

So striping doesn’t exist here. That’s a coastal or northern thing. Our grasses don’t stripe. As far as scalping all mowers will do that. I recommend when making a turn or going over an uneven surface get in the habit of floating your deck with your foot. I mowed most of my yards with a 72 and hardly ever scalped. But me and my deck were one with each other lol. My foot was constantly pulling the deck up every few seconds it became second nature to me to always work my deck up and down.

It’s hard to even keep any in stock. I had to sell all my demoes just so people would have mowers 🙈

@@kgmowers if you want a mower that doesn’t scalp then I would recommend looking at selling John Deere 900 series mowers. They have anti scalping wheels on the front and back of the mower and you can set the scalping wheels so the deck does not fall below 3 inches. I’m from Missouri in the ozarks and it’s super bumpy. John Deere is about the only mower I’ve found that doesn’t scalp in a 60 inch deck.

ILL TELL UKNOW HANDS DOWN NO COMPARRSION SCAG IS BEST CUTTING DECK

Ok #1 question 100% the bad boy rogue waaaaay better ride. #2 grasshopper front mount 100% more than them all on changing the blades out. #3. We use Mojack primarily. Makes it easy to change the blades on a mid mount. The pro model goes up higher to make it a little easier.

I agree!!! Bad boy cuts great around here!!

@@afn-bd2ro last I heard, he recovered and went home.

TORO WITH MYRIDE BEST IN MARKET FOR COMFORT AND KEEPING CUT QUALITY

I used a Hustler at our church that they bought. It had the 55" cut and 24hp Kawasaki. It was built like an absolute tank. Huge gas tank also. It laid down baseball field quality stripes, and that was just plain mowing, no kit. But if there's one thing I'd change on it though, and that would be a suspension seat to be added. After mowing 7 acres all day, my back was killing me after each session.

@@royalway12 I know exactly how you feel. I'm not sure about the 2021 seats but the previous generation Raptor seat is average at best and the springs are too strong so it's bouncy, great cut though.

You hit the nail on the head man. I had a Hustler Super Mini Z 52” with a Honda motor and should never have sold it! That thing could side hill like nothing I’ve ridden since. I now have a Hustler 54” Raptor XD for my small yard and she’s nose heavy and scares the daylights outta me on side hills. lol She still cuts beautifully though. 😊

@@bladeaddison3189 I still have a Hustler minz Z 52 with the honda. It's 20 years old. Was thinking of selling it to get a newer mower. I don't think they make them like this one anymore.

Scag plant is out of freedom zs I’m out as well. Congrats the bobcat is a good mower :)

Your gonna love that Bob Cat.I have a Bob Cat stander and it's a great machine

I have an old 48 inch Encore that has narrow,tall rear tires on it and I also built a rack over the top of the engine for a 15 gallon sprayer tank and I can fill it a little less than half full and I can hold a steep ditch as good as any other lawnmower I’ve ever ran including a mower with a steering wheel and me walking beside of it holding it from turning over. It is bad about rearing up bad but that also comes in handy when I come up on a root. I can stop and take right off and pop a wheelie and go right over it and never miss a beat lol but I do tell people when they are looking to get a new mower to make sure that it was narrow back wheels and not the fat smaller ones. I have a 42 inch with those on it and it’s got to be on a flat surface or it will slide to the bottom. I’ve always hated it but I do have a bagger for it which I’m sure that I can put it on my 48 without much trouble and it doesn’t cut good either. I’m thinking that the longer the blades are the better it will cut because it has more of a swinging distance.

l have a 227 and have 1500 hrs on it. I cut five acres and it's done well. Only issue is that wish it had a better ride.

@@george7058 mine have the cordura seats not the grammer seat and I have no issue with ride quality

The super z is the best on the hills period. Of course I recommend upgrading the tires for the best traction of course

Kevin is spot on … my old Super Z was fantastic on side hills. Just drive the machines before you buy! Smaller yard now so I downgraded to an 54” Raptor XD and she’s deck heavy. Would love to explore tire options to see if I can get it under control…she’s a little scary lol

You ride a bad boy rogue or a Ferris 3300 and your gonna take back your statement that yours rides good 🙈😂. I carried gravely for around 4 years. That 260 would be my go to to put my hands on. Tough built amazing mowers. Scag tiger cat is basically the same mower. Bad boy will have the edge on the ride, Scag will have the better cut.

@@kgmowers do those ride really that well?

The rogue is awesome

I’m a huge 32hp vanguard fan on the cat. $9999 on national sale from Scag and it has so much more power. The gas consumption on it isn’t as good as the ft efi of course. I love the kawa on the 52.

So far we have had some kohler efi issues on some tiger cats and some cheetahs. The vanguard efi has been bullet proof. On the bad boy the yamaha gave us some issues starting so we just stopped selling them. I love the kohler and vanguard when I have an issue. Everytime I plugged my laptop in it told me what was wrong with it :)

THE ENGINES THEY USE ON BADBOYS ARE SAME THEY USE ON EVERYTHING ELSE SO IF THERE IS ISSUE WITH KOHLER EFI 29 HORSE THAT SAME ISSUE WILL BE ON KOHLER EFI 29 ON BACK OF FERRIS TORO .......

I like the cheetahs!

The patriot and 125 will get you pretty close. There isn’t much difference in the xdx zt patriot vs the freedom z zt elite and fastrak.

It’s funny you would think these are all the same. We had a customer get me. They do most of their own mechanics on their mowers but one day came in and asked me if we would change the pump belt on their toro. I said of course and they asked me how much. I said half an hour $35 or $40. We jumped on it right then. 4 hours later the pump belt is changed. Dang near had to take the mower completely apart. The exhaust had to be removed, the rear end, then trans had to be removed. 38 bolts were in the floor then the belt went on. It was the craziest thing ever. He threw $40 on the counter and said thank you so much (we weren’t about to tear down and rebuild that mower just to change the belt out). With a laugh and a smile on his face he didn’t even give me a chance to say it was gonna be more 🙈😂. Lesson learned I never quote a price till we are done 😂

We sell more bad boy than all of them combined. We sold 109 this month alone so far.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hrOYdMmGv9LNY40.html This is what I have but feel I should have got the grasshopper. Your thoughts 💭

It was just the first one to pull out :).

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When I was cutting grass I would spray all of the Bahia grass with Cimarron and it was very easy to kill and it would stay gone for at least four years or more. I’d cut it and wait about two days and then spray it. Seems like that it works a lot better when it is just coming back up about 3 inches tall and I would add some Surfactant to it of course. It’s very cheap also but the only bad thing is that you can probably go the rest of the season and not have to cut it. I guess that’s really the only grass in the yard. I wonder if you were to seed it with a different kind of grass if it would come up and take hold. About all of the yards that I had that had Bahai grass in them were commercial yards that were rough places to start with like trailer parks. Anyway it is very cheap and easy to get rid of and one time spraying will last for years which if you could get a different type of grass growing then you may not have to worry about it forever. It is a pain in the butt to cut and it will be right back up in two days. If it’s a yard that you cut bi-weekly it will be two feet tall when you cut it again. It saved me a lot of time and I’m sure that my blades were happy also when I got rid of it. If you don’t have any spraying license you don’t need them for it and when I didn’t have any I would go spray them late in the evening which the places that were so bad I wasn’t worried about getting caught anyway because they were places that you needed to carry a gun when you were there lol.

Last time time I checked there was 36 brands. There are positives and negatives about all of them. If I could mix them all up I could make the perfect mower

People need to hear this stuff. We tend to only post when there is negative, and the positive goes unseen :)

😆. You will Definately have to maintain it or put your dealer to. Things break, need serviced on all equipment. We have seen some miracle mowers though 😂

Hopefully this spring :). It’s gonna be hard getting demoes this year 🙈

I’ve only seen a simplicity in a picture I’m sorry. Expecially never heard of a cobalt lol. Be careful Briggs is trying to dump simplicity snapper and Ferris they are all for sale for very cheap. Briggs is getting out of the mower biz and focusing on engines.

We can deliver. Sending one to Missouri next weekend :). We sell a lot in arkansas

I mow about 4 acres with a Scag Cheetah 54" with a 24 hp Kawasaki. It takes me just over 2 hours. If you have a lot of trees, especially pines, you need a front deck style.

So far the only issue on the first run was the eye bolts were weak. Once they caught it they were upgraded around middle april of 2019. The rogue and renegade have had this since release in 2019. Works amazing!! Very little issues at all.

@@kgmowers thanks

I work for a municipality in Arkansas and we just got a rogue last year I’ve put quite a few hours on it and only complaint I have is when going over rough ground the suspension can sink a little aggressively and cause the deck to scalp the ground but it’s easy to correct when I slow down a bit

I live in Clinton and I 100% agree I work for parks and rec and we got scag turf tiger 2’s 5 of them like 6 months ago. They are absolutely dream machines , no issues and power power great cut and built like tanks liquid cooled

Best cutting mower I've had for southern grasses was Ferris icd deck and John Deere 7 iron deck.

I just bought a TC2 61" with the 26hp Kawi FT. It came to $12k with a hitch and taxes (MD). MSRP was $12,550.

Same, I was cash out the door last year for 8400$ on a scag tc2 54 26hp kawi efi. Machine has been wonderful! I have a crazy hilly yard and thought it would be trouble mowing it with a ztr but so far I'm so happy I have the ztr and not a tractor style mower. I was looking on Facebook marketplace for kicks and a used tc2 like mine with 110 hrs was asking 9500$. More than what I paid brand new. Only have 15 hours on mine so far but it's been perfect.

2800 and up is servicable. The sealed transmissions are usually called ezts or 2200s 2100s and 1800s

both are good mowers. The big thing to me is how big the Spartan is. There is a much smaller footprint with the Scag. Yes the Spartan takes hills better due to the size of the frame and the tires. I would pin it down to which dealer would be better for you to deal with over the yesrs

Scag will be the worst mower on hills bcuz they are light and not balanced good. Scag spindles also must be greased regularly versus most other mower brands that have sealed bearings.

DO NOT BUY SPARTAN DO NOT BUY SPARTAN CAN I SAY IT ONE MORE TIME WORST MOWER MADE DO NOT BUY SPARTAN MOWERS WE SOLD SPARTAN MOWER FOR LESS THAN 6 MONTHS PURE JUNK MACHINES HAVE HAD SEVERAL SPARTANS PEOPLE PAID 8000 PLUS FOR GET TRADES IN LESS THAN 80 HOURS THEY HATE THEM

Scag all the way, best warranty of any mower best cut period

Tiger cat has the pumps more like the rogue. It’s definately gonna cut a little better. They are supposed to be higher so that’s a bargain for sure. A 61 is 12k and a 52 is around 11k. I’m selling some of the rebels under 10k.

With you tuning the deck and figuring out which blades are the best for each yard yes

As long as you get a full commercial engine and transmission. You are good. 3400 is full, but I recommend a 4400 or better transmission for a big yard like that. Also make sure these is a big Donaldson or fleet guard air filter canister on top of the engine.

The old ones used to have cables. They went away from them for some reason 🙈. Ty for you describing them both a lot of people are wondering if it’s worth the extra to step up ;)

Exmark/toro doesn’t exist in my area. There is a dealer, but for as long as I know they averaged just a few mowers a year. We only have one guy here running them. Grasshopper has been running our area for the last 30 years. Just recently in the last 15 years started throwing bad boys Gravely’s Kubota’s Spartans scags hustlers on trailers around here

No not at all. I had a commercial guy his brake bolts came loose and the brakes fell off in the yard. I was surprised to see the the warranty claim denied. They ended up warranting, but I would recommend checking nuts and bolts on any mower. I absolutely love the xone because of the hte12 Parker’s, but I noticed for 2023 they went to 4400 hydrogears instead. I still have a couple 52 xones with the Parker’s if you can find a 2022 left out there I would recommend jumping on it. On the tiger cat it has the higher end old school pump and wheel motors seperate so it’s gonna be a hard choice. The xone is definately a smoother driving mower by far, Scag has the edge on the cut a little in most grasses.

I will be honest with you, Every one of the 10k to 11k mowers from any brand are amazing and have so much to offer. I would lean on the bigger sized mowers if i were you. The Scag cheetah, any of the r series bad boys, Spartan, hustler super z, the 300 series or 400 grasshoppers, if you get a front mount make sure you get an extension foot platform, 600 gravely is awesome. Have fun shopping, sitting, asking them to let you drive them around. Also consider who is the best dealer I’m always about picking a dealer over a brand

@@kgmowers Thank you sir for your kindness and prompt reply

So funny story had a guy walk in and buy one from a nearby town. He asked “what’s the cheapest mower you have”. We sold him a single cylinder kohler 42” and me and my salesman delivered it after work. We pulled up to an extremely overgrown apartment complex that the grass was over the mower. It was a huge place. I got out and told the guy I was going to get a big commercial mower instead and he said no that’s all the money he had. We explained to him there is no way at all that mower could handle that yard. So Jay jumped on the mower turned on the blades and said “here let me show you this is impossible”. He tore out across the yard and it never bogged up just blew threw it. He went back over it and it was a clean pass, then another, and before long he is jumping back in the truck and we are waving bye 😂 🙈. I think the 42 Mz cuts better than the $8600 42” maverick hd honestly…. They have had that mower 2 years now it’s still rolling :).

@@kgmowers 👍🙂

No your blessed if you can find one. I haven’t seen on new going on 2 months now. $9699 to $10799 if the dealer isn’t adding a lot to it upfront.

Post a link to it. That’s what I used to mow the church last year. My favorite ride. I used a cheetah 2 As well. Like the cut of the cheetah better, but the ride of the bad boy was nicer

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Yes. It’s the renegade suspension seat. I like the rogue seat better though. So nice on my back

GRASSHOPPER IS NOT EVEN IN MIX OF TOP 10 MOWERS DUDE SORRY HOW MANY TIMES U BANG ELBOW ON ROMP BAR PULLING BREAK UP?????? NEW GRASSHOPPER WITH SUSPERSION SEAT U LOOKING UP IN AIR WITH WAY ITS MADE . HORRIBLE MACHINES AND ALSO MOST EXPENSIVE

@@chadboeck8358 I've never seen a rope pull start grasshopper, I do like the "out front" deck

I believe so. Simplicity snapper and Ferris were all under same umbrella.