Scene Analysis: Exposing a Heroic Coward

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3 жыл бұрын

Let's discuss when Kira goes after a man.. who wasn't guilty of what they wanted him to be..
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@AkatsukiBoss13
@AkatsukiBoss13 3 жыл бұрын
Not only is Duet one of the best Trek episodes of all time, but it is the Gold Standard of Trek Bottle Episodes. And while there is a lot of great things about this episode, the acting, writing etc. it is that scene that cements the whole thing. And you know, it is fascinating looking back on the series how Kira grew as a character. I remember when Netflix first got DS9 and rewatching the series for the first time, and being struck by how angry and generally aggressive against Cardassians Kira originally was. It seemed weird given where she'd be at the end of the series. But then you get this episode, Second Skin, involvement with the Anti-military Faction, her complex relationship with Dukat, and of course Dukat's daughter and you see how Kira changed with regards to the Cardassians. And it all began with a man she was ready to kill on the spot.
@demarcusfaulkner7411
@demarcusfaulkner7411 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@adamlhayman
@adamlhayman 3 жыл бұрын
Nay, It is not one of the best Trek episodes, but more accurately, it is one of the best Television episodes. ;)
@Malo-os9kk
@Malo-os9kk 3 жыл бұрын
Its honestly one of the best scenes i have ever seen. It makes me cry every time i watch it. Its something about the guilt in his voice and his breakdown that is so impactfull
@SSingh-nr8qz
@SSingh-nr8qz 3 жыл бұрын
PREACH!
@BioGoji-zm5ph
@BioGoji-zm5ph 3 жыл бұрын
It is the best subversive remake of Conscience Of The King (TOS episode) ever seen in any Trek media, ever.
@NickdeVera
@NickdeVera 3 жыл бұрын
"You have no idea what it's like to be a coward" is such an amazing subtle backhanded compliment
@jasonpye4649
@jasonpye4649 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree
@dalekbumps
@dalekbumps 3 жыл бұрын
What gets me most about this episode is that throughout the entire episode Kira only gets riled and emotive when she's talking about Cardiassians, the Occupation, Darheel's atrocities etc - in a lot of ways throughout this episode she personifies the hatred that many Bajorans feel for Cardassians , and yet the final scene shows her experiencing a completely different kind of pain and anger to anything we had seen her experience up until this point. The pivotal moment for Kira's character development isn't just that she learns that some Cardassians can be good and some Bajorans can be bad - she experiences true grief at the death of a Cardassian and that completely realigns her moral compass, basically ascending her from good-natured Bajoran terrorist to a true post-war leader.
@lawrence5584
@lawrence5584 3 жыл бұрын
You can really see it in her expression when she confronts the killer. There’s a little bit of shock in her when she says, “no it’s not”. Like it’s so new this notion that not all cardassians are evil.
@antonioscendrategattico2302
@antonioscendrategattico2302 3 жыл бұрын
In a sense this experience didn't just prove to her that some Cardassians could be good. It proved to her that some Cardassians could feel the same pain she did at the plight of Bajorans and were willing to even lay down their lives to do something to bring justice. Even when it might not actually achieve anything.
@mihaicocis9513
@mihaicocis9513 3 жыл бұрын
He is the ultimate Cardasian patriot. Hoping his death will wash away the sins of his compatriots and allow them to evolve.
@sumanadasawijayapala5372
@sumanadasawijayapala5372 3 жыл бұрын
You nailed it. He said it himself, he did all this for Cardassia.
@xalahuj
@xalahuj 3 жыл бұрын
"Keep..."
@antonioscendrategattico2302
@antonioscendrategattico2302 3 жыл бұрын
If you think about it, it was a pretty powerful commentary on what patriotism should be: the desire to see your country the best it can be. Not the desire to have your country "win", or "beat" all the others. If your country is a country that would wantonly murder innocents for no reason other than it can and they're foreigners, it's NOT a good country, and a patriot would be the one that tries to make it better, by making it admit to its crimes, and work on not repeating them.
@Arkalius80
@Arkalius80 3 жыл бұрын
I kind of feel like you shouldn't have cut the audio of Kira's last line there. In response to "He's a Cardassian! That's reason enough!" was "No! It's not." I think that was a big sign of growth for her. Before her interactions with Maritsa, she probably would have agreed with that sentiment. She certainly would have while in the resistance. Maritsa helped her understand that Cardassians weren't merely hateful, murderous assholes by default. Some were, but some, probably most, were not.
@Sunseahl
@Sunseahl 3 жыл бұрын
Of all the episodes of Trek... this one hits me the hardest... The actor for Moritza did such a wonderful job that even with you staring and stopping to explain the scene.. It STILL brings me to tears. It's just that powerful on me.
@TheKarotechia
@TheKarotechia 3 жыл бұрын
Cardassia chose not to atone for its crimes. Cardassia choose the self-serving path of Gul Dukat. As Garak said: "You know, some may say that we've gotten just what we deserved. After all, we're not entirely innocent, are we? And I'm not just speaking of the Bajoran occupation. No, our whole history is one of arrogant aggression. We've collaborated with the Dominion, betrayed the entire Alpha Quadrant... Oh, oh, no no, there's no doubt about it - we're guilty as charged."
@colonelquack
@colonelquack 3 жыл бұрын
Garak is bluntly honest - except when he's deceiving his ass off.
@philippschwarz4539
@philippschwarz4539 3 жыл бұрын
@@colonelquack He's a plain, simple tailor. He has no reason to lie.
@00Klingon
@00Klingon 3 жыл бұрын
@@colonelquack "My dear doctor, the stories are all true." ... "even the lies?" ... "especially the lies" ;)
@capslock7833
@capslock7833 3 жыл бұрын
Cardassia did nothing wrong
@goransekulic3671
@goransekulic3671 3 жыл бұрын
@@capslock7833 Gul Dukat...look, he did a lot of bad things, but if someone else was in charge, there'd be mountains of corpses, pyres even! He did what he could to minimize damage, too bad nobody understood that and went around emoting. Yes, I like Gul Dukat, sue me. :)
@roberthenryscott8176
@roberthenryscott8176 3 жыл бұрын
That scene where he broke down and cried, it moved me in such a way that I could feel his pain. That's brilliant acting on both characters. The Cardassians paid for their sins with their lives at the end of the Dominion War. I totally agree with your statement, "how can the Cardassians pay for their sins?" He was a hero.
@-Zakhiel-
@-Zakhiel- 3 жыл бұрын
The idea of retribution is always "tricky" to say the least. People on Cardassia where killed by millions at the end of the war, entire city wiped out. Most of those people where civilians. Maybe they had to go down this road to understand what it's like to be submited by an invasive "benevolent" species... But again, most of those people never went to war... Shouldn't Cardassia claim some kind of retribution for the innocents who died ? How is that fair ? If a group of people kill 10 children of an other group of people, should the second group kill 10 random children of the first one ? It's complicated. I don't know if there is even one good solution. Cardassia (in my eyes) was always a representation of old europeans colonialists and bajorans were maghrebians (oriental style, "prophets", very religious to the point they are a pain in the ass at school, a history of terrorism during the occupation...). In France, we are faced with those problems in our everyday life. And from one side to the other, it's always normal folks who suffer the most.
@BlazingOwnager
@BlazingOwnager 3 жыл бұрын
What's great about this moment/episode too is it's the minute that Kira comes to understand not all Cardassians are evil. She was very, very anti-Cardassian until this point. Later on she'd accept a Cardassian as a straight up father figure and back to the dissident movement. Why I love DS9 bottle episodes; they rarely stay in the bottle.
@williamsteveling8321
@williamsteveling8321 3 жыл бұрын
Her hate was of a particular kind - diffuse, unfocused, corrosive. Mostly it was pointed at the Cardassian government more than the Cardassian people, but it encompassed both. Sadly, her mourning one good person among them started her healing. This episode was troubling, but hopeful: Yes, hatred claimed another innocent, but in doing so it removed the hate from another. There's a lot of hope when an injustice can inspire the desire to do better So in a way, his sacrifice was NOT in vain.
@Im-the-greatest
@Im-the-greatest 3 жыл бұрын
I like the scene analyses
@BurgerLord99
@BurgerLord99 3 жыл бұрын
I like everything lore makes
@sid2112
@sid2112 3 жыл бұрын
@@BurgerLord99 I like beard.
@TheEDFLegacy
@TheEDFLegacy 3 жыл бұрын
I feel this breakdown is spot-on.
@mngentry
@mngentry 3 жыл бұрын
"He's a Cardassian! That's reason enough." "No....it's not." I'm honestly not a DS9 fan like most trekkies (at least not yet) But this episode is DAMN good. Worthy of Roddenberry.
@elijah_9392
@elijah_9392 Жыл бұрын
Have you seen "In the Pale Moonlight"?
@nunya3163
@nunya3163 3 жыл бұрын
I find these break downs of the writing and acting to be as important to the lore, as anything else. The real Trek series all dealt with very deep and serious issues, in equally deep and thoughtful ways. They used solid scripts, and quality acting/directing to establish the story. Not lens flare and special effects.
@BlazingOwnager
@BlazingOwnager 3 жыл бұрын
I find them very interesting. It's a fresh angle you don't find elsewhere.
@davfree9732
@davfree9732 3 жыл бұрын
Check out Razor Fist's DS9 retrospective. He covers this episode where you discover it's based on another screenplay. But because it's based on a screenplay and well adapted, and produced, it brought the message of an old film into the then modern era that resonated as strongly now as then. When you compare STD and current Trek, you just don't see this level of production and commitment to a old concept that still holds it's value in allegorical story telling. Everything in STD is trying to be new and action driven. And the writers don't look back to bring old stories back to the audience. They only managed to quote Alice in Wonderland, without that quote meaning anything to the story. And the less said about how they handled the past character of Picard the better. It's probably better the writers don't adapt screenplays based on past works. They'd inject elements the work doesn't support and fill it with action and lens flare.
@weissschnee9117
@weissschnee9117 3 жыл бұрын
This is why we love Old Trek. This one episode has so many parallels with our past and present, it's genuinely saddening. "He's Black, that's reason enough" "He's Gay..." "He's White..." I wish I could look back on the darker episodes like this and say that we've evolved from this kind of thinking. That we're better, not able to make mistakes like this anymore.
@ddogg14
@ddogg14 3 жыл бұрын
this episode gets me every time.
@laughinggremlin6112
@laughinggremlin6112 3 жыл бұрын
I forgot how this scene made me cry. Especially since I bet I'd do the same thing as the clerk.
@sid2112
@sid2112 3 жыл бұрын
You don't know what you'll do until you're there, but being worried that you'll do the same shows that you understand the stakes. I think you'd make a good accounting of yourself.
@mrScififan2
@mrScififan2 3 жыл бұрын
Me too.😥
@BlazingOwnager
@BlazingOwnager 3 жыл бұрын
I'd probably have gotten killed not doing what I was supposed to. Not because I think I'm braver than anyone but I've always been stupid about prodding corruption and things that are wrong beyond what's good for me. Doesn't make me a hero and I suppose I could say I'd be too dumb to live. lol
@veggieowlgirl
@veggieowlgirl 3 жыл бұрын
Soldiers can come back from war and feel guilty for killing the enemy. The military has to train out the instinct to not kill another human being. So they suffer a moral injury. My neighbor doubted God would forgive him. I was lucky enough that I didn't have to kill anyone.
@sid2112
@sid2112 3 жыл бұрын
@@BlazingOwnager lol you're like me, a punk. We just can't help thumbing our nose at authority. Hehehe.
@montymont5943
@montymont5943 3 жыл бұрын
Dont apologize for "straying" away from ships and stuff, their isnt a lot to cover on that front that other's arent covering. Your analysis on scenes is great and much appreciated.
@brokeneyes6615
@brokeneyes6615 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly that actor should’ve been a main, not a guest. Love every episode he’s in.
@therizinosaurus214
@therizinosaurus214 3 жыл бұрын
I love how he breaks down mid maniacal monolog. Also this is major character episode of Kira as she learns and grows that not Cardassian are evil.
@PitchToTheRhino1
@PitchToTheRhino1 3 жыл бұрын
Because he slowly realizes that he can't fool her..... or himself anymore.
@markkeener6675
@markkeener6675 3 жыл бұрын
When the facade crumbles and he breaks down I get goose bumps every time
@sid2112
@sid2112 3 жыл бұрын
Really well acted. Amazing episode.
@dragonsword7370
@dragonsword7370 3 жыл бұрын
If the story had ended differently, the Way we thought it was going to would have still made this a moving episode. The as it ends as it's actually written makes it such a tragedy that it helps make the audience feel in some small way the tragedy of the Bajoran Occupation. The violence was senseless and after finding out Maritza's heroic intentions, to see him be killed by a vengeance filled bajoran knifes this point home. One of the best episodes of trek and one I will always put forward in example.
@redpillfreedom6692
@redpillfreedom6692 Жыл бұрын
Indeed it was good to point out that being a member of a formerly oppressed group doesn't make you virtuous or give justification for killing someone for simply being the same race as those who wronged you. Unfortunately, the pervasiveness of grievance politics in the current world makes a lot of people forget this. Funny enough, it's promoted primarily by self-loathing whites.
@maxwilliams2493
@maxwilliams2493 3 жыл бұрын
This was always one of my favorites simply because this begins the bridge between cardassia and Bajor. Then some radical bajoran comes up behind him and ends it all. If he’d lived it could’ve been a quicker end to Bajoran-Cardassian hostilities
@sumanadasawijayapala5372
@sumanadasawijayapala5372 3 жыл бұрын
If he'd lived, he would've just gone home. The entire reason he impersonated Dar'heel was to go to trial and expose everything that took place. There was no trial, and so he wasn't able to expose anything. He could've talked about his experiences, but it's unlikely that Cardassian society would've listened to a filing clerk.
@stevehagen9804
@stevehagen9804 3 жыл бұрын
This is a great scene, and a great breakdown. Side note, it does seem that every non-main character Kira connects with at all dies violently.
@starseed96
@starseed96 3 жыл бұрын
It's the Kira Kurse
@jasonpye4649
@jasonpye4649 3 жыл бұрын
Well, Vedek Boreil kind of met with a sticky end too.
@Kaefer1973
@Kaefer1973 3 жыл бұрын
Well, that one old guy only lost his home, house and hope.
@jasonpye4649
@jasonpye4649 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kaefer1973 which one old guy?
@Kaefer1973
@Kaefer1973 3 жыл бұрын
@@jasonpye4649 Mullibok from the Episode "Progress".
@chrischuba5037
@chrischuba5037 3 жыл бұрын
This was done. Another scene that I always remembered was when a Klingon General responded to a young officer who mocked him for giving an incoherent order brought on by his dementia as the entire bridge laughed at him. He turned to them and said, 'enjoy the fruit of your youth as much as you can, when you get old it turns extremely bitter'. His delivery and expression was perfect.
@Corbomite_Meatballs
@Corbomite_Meatballs 3 жыл бұрын
"Once More unto the Breach" - one of the best Klingon eps in all of Trek, IMO.
@bgphantom3
@bgphantom3 3 жыл бұрын
RIP Kor.
@oooChickenatorXooo
@oooChickenatorXooo 3 жыл бұрын
This was one of the best hours of Trek of all time and I still get choked up when I watch it. . They say you can judge the relative quality of a TV series by the strength of it's bottle episodes. If the bottle episodes are crap, the show is probably also crap. If the bottle episodes just give the writers time to explore some thing small in a detailed way, you might have a gem on your hands. .
@kmoore02809
@kmoore02809 3 жыл бұрын
One of the greatest episodes in the entire Star Trek franchise. Thank you for putting this together.
@LupeLokota
@LupeLokota 3 жыл бұрын
Duet is one of my favorite DS9 episodes, for many of the reasons you point out.
@drewf41
@drewf41 3 жыл бұрын
Please don't apologize for your art. I very much enjoy your work, and has opened new avenues of thinking for a franchise I've enjoyed and rewatched since I was 6.
@johnswanson2600
@johnswanson2600 Жыл бұрын
Harris Yulin did such a excellent job in this role, his acting made the good writing incredible.
@dboymax1
@dboymax1 3 жыл бұрын
This episode is worth more than ST Picard and STD combined...
@The_Greedy_Orphan
@The_Greedy_Orphan 3 жыл бұрын
You don't know what you've missed till it's gone. Given the current era, I'm not sure we'll ever get another star trek episode with writing as good as this. Everything these days is just so two dimensional, there is no depth, only good or evil, and that those who stand on the sidelines or remain silent are equally guilty, must acknowledge their privelage and flagellate themselves to atone. If this show was written today, Michael Burman would've gladly put that man on trial and hail herself a hero for doing so.
@sid2112
@sid2112 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly, that's very true.
@firestorm165
@firestorm165 3 жыл бұрын
Accurate
@aelolul
@aelolul 3 жыл бұрын
Came here to say this.
@madrabbit9007
@madrabbit9007 3 жыл бұрын
This is a timeless episode and you are dead on. I would love to see this kind of Trek again but I fear the Golden Age of Trek and Star Wars has pass and been swallowed up by the woke who have to push their agendas and to hell with the rest of us.
@NineWorldsFromDrew
@NineWorldsFromDrew 3 жыл бұрын
The Greedy Orphan Nobody’s saying that “guilty” groups of people will achieve equality amongst everyone through “self-flagellation”. That idea infers blame. But blame is not the same as responsibility. And in today’s world, we’re actually moving away from equality, because whether that need for *responsibility* is pointed out to people, in ways that they find “palatable”, or not, people would rather shrink away from learning just what it is we have a responsibility towards. And what that responsibility is towards, is eliminating supremacist attitudes, which emanate from - but are not exclusive to - those “privileged” groups. That’s a responsibility we all have. No, I don’t think all white people are guilty for white supremacy. But white people still shouldn’t be comfortable with sitting on the sidelines, just because centuries of white supremacy have allowed them that comfort. No, I don’t think all straight people are homophobic. But I do think, the reason why some straight folks will end up saying something that falls anywhere between awkward, and being outright called out as homophobic or transphobic, is often because they haven’t even realised where decades of cis-het supremacist attitudes have put them, relative to their LGBT+ peers and neighbours. So putting oneself in Kira’s position, what would you ultimately resolve to understand, about the Cardassian occupation? That the blame lies with all Cardassians? Or that it lies with those who fronted the Cardassian agenda of expansionism, and supremacy? Just remember, there were Bajorans who willingly sided with that agenda, too.
@Forcefu
@Forcefu 3 жыл бұрын
This is great episode of deep space 9
@wackyvorlon
@wackyvorlon 3 жыл бұрын
Wanted to say that I absolutely love your scene analysis videos. I very much look forward to seeing more!
@jasonlane1528
@jasonlane1528 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing episode. His breakdown at the end is comparable to G'Kar's speech about freedom on Babylon 5 when his race was conquered by the Centari. Impeccable acting in an episode that doesn't get talked about enough.
@shdwdrmr-dq3lo
@shdwdrmr-dq3lo 3 жыл бұрын
Great breakdown, keep up the good work!
@PriestMarkus1913
@PriestMarkus1913 3 жыл бұрын
This is excellent. Please continue your incredible work
@MrSeanface
@MrSeanface 3 жыл бұрын
What an amazing episode. This is star trek at its best. Thanks for the video man.
@nekochristmas
@nekochristmas 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoy this on your channel, keep up the good work
@seaconfused
@seaconfused 3 жыл бұрын
And this ladies and gentlemen was DS9. Episodes like this made DS9 the best ST of all! *Brilliant, insightful, uncomfortable, timeless!* Star Trek at it's best. TV at it's best.
@madrabbit9007
@madrabbit9007 3 жыл бұрын
A lot of people didn't like DS9 because they thought it broke with Gene's vision of a future where all problems can be solved without war. The problem is that's not reality and Trek was great at slapping people in the face with reality. You would never have gotten an episode like "Nor the Battle to the Brave" without war. These episodes were powerful and insightful to the human condition.
@Kaefer1973
@Kaefer1973 3 жыл бұрын
@@madrabbit9007 "people didn't like DS9 because they thought it broke with Gene's vision of a future where all problems can be solved without war" I was part of the second group, but not the first group. I loved DS9 even though I didn't really view it as part of actual Star Trek. I mean it was a deliberate subversion so of course in a way it's not a part of the real deal (that doesn't mean it's not as good or even better though). Of course I'd rather live in the Star Trek future than the DS9 future, but that's a different thing entirely.
@madrabbit9007
@madrabbit9007 3 жыл бұрын
Kaefer1973 part of the change was the influence of shows like Babylon 5 and the British show Blake 5 that had an over arcing story line. DS9 managed to work in classic Aesop’s fables in space stories while adopting the new story telling style. The problem with Discovery is the classic Aesop stories seem to have been abandoned.
@Kaefer1973
@Kaefer1973 3 жыл бұрын
@@madrabbit9007 To me the main problem swith Discovery seems to be the budget since producers seem to assume that if they can afford lots of splosions they don't need good writing.
@madrabbit9007
@madrabbit9007 3 жыл бұрын
Kaefer1973 the problem is more our expectations. Yes there are writing issues but we want Gene’s vision not some social justice warrior’s vision. I think Gene would be rolling over in his grave to see Diso Trek.
@philiphandforth4390
@philiphandforth4390 3 жыл бұрын
I came here for the lore analysis, but I love these scene breakdowns. I hope to see more of them in future, it makes for a nice bit of variety.
@jamiemcquarrie2482
@jamiemcquarrie2482 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for going over this episode! I remember watching it when it came out, and in that moment it not only became my favorite episode of DS9, but made DS9 my favorite Star Trek series.
@tomsmith5584
@tomsmith5584 3 жыл бұрын
I like the scene analysis. You link an individual scene into the bigger themes of the series well.
@weaselton
@weaselton 3 жыл бұрын
So I was young when DS9 aired the first time, but this was one of the few that I saw that I remembered years later.
@andrewdavis623
@andrewdavis623 3 жыл бұрын
One of the best scenes and example of how to write and develop characters. Totally agree with the analysis of this scene. Nana Visitor is one of the top 5 actors on this series.
@goransekulic3671
@goransekulic3671 3 жыл бұрын
One of the best episodes I've seen. Hell, it goes beyond that, it's so....powerful!
@DarthCacos
@DarthCacos 3 жыл бұрын
I like the vid. Thank you Lore. Keep going.
@darkwhitedirewolf
@darkwhitedirewolf 3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding episode, love it.
@critter30002001
@critter30002001 3 жыл бұрын
Very good breakdown. It was a very important scene in the series, including the end part.
@wayneorellana2549
@wayneorellana2549 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making me cry just before work.....
@tdrewman
@tdrewman 3 жыл бұрын
The episode brought a tear to my eye when I watch it.
@anthonyjordanmoviesandmore2470
@anthonyjordanmoviesandmore2470 3 жыл бұрын
This is easily my favorite episode in all of Star Trek I think your analysis was spot-on
@sneakyking
@sneakyking 3 жыл бұрын
0 dislikes. No changelings detected
@sneakyking
@sneakyking 3 жыл бұрын
@Adan Druego ok... 4 now. Let's phase stun the whole thing! See what squirms.
@VERTHASAMVS
@VERTHASAMVS 3 жыл бұрын
5, False Martok approaches
@JonBerry555
@JonBerry555 3 жыл бұрын
I've actually come to enjoy these scene analysis videos more than your lore videos, I look forward to them way more. It might just be because it is a fresh way to look at Star Trek or its because they stand out in the sea that is lore videos on KZfaq (for any franchise).
@dearls921
@dearls921 3 жыл бұрын
Really glad you did this breakdown. DS9 has so many good scenes, this acting was top notch.
@psoma_brufd
@psoma_brufd 3 жыл бұрын
I like that you are varying what you are doing.
@twinmoon21
@twinmoon21 3 жыл бұрын
I don't watch many episodes from season 1 but I will rewatch this today.
@jacktingey7886
@jacktingey7886 3 жыл бұрын
When I introduced my wife to DS9, Kira became her favorite character, and this episode became her favorite one. I have to agree with her, the acting and writing is superb, demonstrating the overall quality of DS9 as a show.
@dbix11
@dbix11 3 жыл бұрын
I just started watching the series a month or so ago and this episode floored me. I miss the gold standard of what was Trek writing!
@matheusGMN
@matheusGMN 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of my most favorite episodes, it's just incredibly good
@1976346
@1976346 3 жыл бұрын
One of the greatest Trek episode ever
@jasonpye4649
@jasonpye4649 3 жыл бұрын
Yea its powerful. Good teaching moment. Another episode that I feel is powerful is far beyond the stars in season 6, I believe. I actually spoke to Avery Brooks about it twice at two different conventions years apart. I talked to him from a microphone out in the audience while he was on stage. I've done the same many times with other stars, but with him, that was one of my favorite episodes and DS9 my favorite series and I love the character, so it was pretty surreal talking to him.
@mutanix
@mutanix 3 жыл бұрын
One of the greatest episodes of Trek IMO. This is the one I show to people that think Trek is just sci-fi fluff. This is also the episode that let me know that DS9 was not going to be like TNG. It was a powerful episode when it aired but these days it really resonates. I can't watch it without tearing up.
@scottbennie8299
@scottbennie8299 3 жыл бұрын
My favoriye episode in a truly great series.
@dylanlewis5113
@dylanlewis5113 3 жыл бұрын
It's episodes like this that make DS9 my favorite Trek.
@1984Phalanx
@1984Phalanx 3 жыл бұрын
I rewatched DS9 this year and I also found this moving.
@robertthompson2601
@robertthompson2601 3 жыл бұрын
When my all time favorite episodes and scenes in the entire star trek series and saga
@hikikomicklori9290
@hikikomicklori9290 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not crying. I just got something in my eye!
@Ohne_Silikone
@Ohne_Silikone 3 жыл бұрын
Due to some traumatic events I endured as a kid later on in life I had nightmares in which I was placed in his situation, in equally horrendous circumstances to act out the guilt ridden powerless experience the trauma represented to me. Poor poor man. It also kind of reminds me of the end of Schindler’s List. Survival is a two edged sword as it might ultimately break you to an extent beyond what death ever could accomplish.
@oooChickenatorXooo
@oooChickenatorXooo 3 жыл бұрын
The Bajoran drunk/sociopath who stabs Marizza at the end says something which is an echo of something said by both Marizza and Kira in different contexts earlier in the episode. . Kira says, still holding on to anger and grief "Every Cardassian is guilty, as far as I'm concerned they all deserve to be punished." and later Dax points out to her that on some level she needs the prisoner to be Darheel, she needs him to be guilty because what she wants is vengeance. A sentiment Marizza also accuses her of while he's still in his Darheel guise. . Later, Marizza says "We all have to be punished!" in something akin to survivor's guilt, PTSD, and suicidal ideation. . He wants to die because did not stop the atrocities and is now wracked with guilt, but filtered through the lens of that genetic-level nationalism that all Cardassians seem to have, he thinks he is doing it because Cardassia can only survive if it atones, and he wants to sacrifice himself for the fatherland, not to save it, but to save its _soul._ . Garak was always a patriot too. He wanted to go home, but he was an exile and had to deal with that as best he could. . A great character study on Cardassians in general, but a great story arc for Kira. She goes into it believing all Cardassians are evil, and comes out of it realizing it's a bit more complicated than that. Some of the Bad Guys were not guilty, they were just part of a system that would have steamrollered over them had they tried to fix it. . She starts by saying "All Cardassians are guilty" out of pain anger and grief, but when she hears a suicidal man tortured by his memories say "All Cardassians are guilty", Dax's words suddenly come into sharp focus for her. .
@WisdomoftheSphynx
@WisdomoftheSphynx 3 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite episodes.
@seanm.9832
@seanm.9832 3 жыл бұрын
I loved when she had that side Bob hairstyle looked good on her
@ortizguard2816
@ortizguard2816 3 жыл бұрын
Powerful scene indeed!
@michaelrigoletti2410
@michaelrigoletti2410 3 жыл бұрын
Why is it that when Maritza gets stabbed, no one bothers to put up a call for a medical emergency that might have saved his life? It is understandable for dramatic effect in the plot, just seems strange that if someone is hurt almost any other time, they call Dr. Bashir right away, but here he is left to die in her arms on the promenade while questioning the stabber's motives.
@Groznor.Grumbles
@Groznor.Grumbles 3 жыл бұрын
This has always been one of my favorite DS9 episodes!
@DrownedInExile
@DrownedInExile 2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding episode. I still get misty-eyed when Maritza breaks down. Damn space onion-cutting ninjas. The only part I didn't like was the ending. It seemed like such a cop-out.
@lemanruss1021
@lemanruss1021 3 жыл бұрын
I like these videos, verity is the spice of life my friend
@tomxaros48
@tomxaros48 3 жыл бұрын
This scene Makes me tear up every time. Even during this breakdown
@lawrence5584
@lawrence5584 3 жыл бұрын
No matter how many times I see this episode, it makes me cry. I think it’s a powerful lesson to learn, especially in this day and age. Also I love what Dax tells Kira. “You know that if you punishing him without cause will mean nothing, and you know vengeance isn’t enough”. I think that’s a very important lesson that many of us have forgotten. Also I’d add to your sexist comment it also is a moment of culturally imposed toxic masculinity. That he feels ashamed of feeling emotion and feeling. This is a classic case of cultures telling men to toughen up, to be hard. That emotion is weakness
@nunya3163
@nunya3163 3 жыл бұрын
The more of these scene cuts that I see, the more I appreciate the writing and acting that went into the pre-JJ verse Trek. CBS would do well to watch these videos, and take some notes.
@Tezunegari
@Tezunegari 3 жыл бұрын
When oldTrek was written well... it soared and created ageless episodes. You can still watch "Duet" today and it hasn't lost any impact. When nuTrek is written well... it's okay. Not bad, not great. I can't even remember an Episode of Discovery or Picard that has a similar impact as the really good episodes/movies of oldTrek. Balance of Terror, The Enterprise Incident, Drumhead, Wrath of Khan, The Undiscovered Country, Scorpion, Damage, Darmok, Trials and Tribble-ations, In the Pale Moonlight, Inner Light... And those are just from memory without looking them up.
@BlazingOwnager
@BlazingOwnager 3 жыл бұрын
@@Tezunegari I think the difference is really what it's trying to be. Old Trek was really about morality and ethic debates a lot of the time. DS9 blended it well with a straight sci-fi space opera story, but the new stuff is literally trying to JUST be edgy space opera. Without anything to really say beyond that, all you're left with is aging visuals and a linear plot that you see once and don't need to see again. I'll suggest something crazy: Literally all the best Trek episodes would work fine as stage plays. There's a ton of fun battle/effects/empire stuff too, but the really classic ones. Measure of a Man would work with a $10 set and a handful of actors, for example.
@juliankirby9880
@juliankirby9880 3 жыл бұрын
BlazingOwnager that’s how any well acted story is. You can change the scenery, you can change the setting. All those episodes we love could have been done in front of non painted cardboard. And they would have been equally as special.
@vallettapetracyneran8587
@vallettapetracyneran8587 3 жыл бұрын
One of the best moments. in season 1. The growth of Kira in this scene far more than the rest of the of the season.
@lordfaladar6261
@lordfaladar6261 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent episode. very much a Greek tragedy.
@MrGsking12
@MrGsking12 3 жыл бұрын
Next to Hearthstone I think this is probably one of my favorite ones
@Fayanora
@Fayanora 3 жыл бұрын
I don't cry easily, but this scene always makes me tear up.
@nuck97
@nuck97 3 жыл бұрын
I do have one problem with the final scene. As the trio leaves Odo's office and starts walking down the promenade, they pass by Quark's bar when Mortiza is stabbed in the back by the Bajoran bigot. Isn't the infirmary directly across the promenade corridor from Quark's Bar?
@o19g78e
@o19g78e 3 жыл бұрын
They are good series of videos.
@alexc3504
@alexc3504 3 жыл бұрын
I love Duet. It's such a damn good episode. The best first season episode.
@TheKyrix82
@TheKyrix82 3 жыл бұрын
I refer to him as "The man who saved the Alpha Quadrant". He's the one who opened Kira's eyes to the idea that Cardassians were people too, people who might be worth saving. Without that insight, she never would have aided Damar. Without her help, the Cardassian Resistance would have been crushed by the Dominion. Without the Cardassians...the Dominion War would have been so much worse.
@Mourtzouphlos240
@Mourtzouphlos240 3 жыл бұрын
One of the "blink and you miss it" things about this episode is the line "you don't know what it's like to be a coward." He says that to Kira and for the most part he is right. Kira says that she first started fighting when she was 13. Maritza didn't when he was more than twice that. He knew everything he was involved with. The details of the Rape of Bajor. He knew it was evil. He wasn't culpable for any of it but did nothing to stop it. He didn't even resign in protest. Because he was afraid of what would happen to him.
@sumanadasawijayapala5372
@sumanadasawijayapala5372 3 жыл бұрын
Except that he later was willing to sacrifice his life to expose what Gul Dar'heel did. Doesn't sound like a coward to me. That line was intended to be irony at its finest.
@MonCappy
@MonCappy Жыл бұрын
Who says he had the right to resign in protest? He was very likely a conscript considering his low rank.
@-Yurkey
@-Yurkey 3 жыл бұрын
This episode always gets the feels going, best acting, best story and really connects with us from x-Yugoslavia because of the '90s war we had for independance from which a lot of war crminals are still at large whilst hate is generalized and it should not be... Victims were on both sides and I honestly believe there' s people like Miritza that wanted to help but couldnt, they should not be accountable for other people's crimes
@ustrekkie92
@ustrekkie92 3 жыл бұрын
The absolute best episode of season one in Star Trek Deep Space Nine
@motomuto3313
@motomuto3313 3 жыл бұрын
As long as 1 person still holds hatred for another group of people for an event that happened long ago, there will be no peace. This is true in art as well as real life. When 1 person tells 10 other people about how a group or race of people are evil, each person of those 10 people will tell 10 more. This will never stop. I know how it works first hand. I told 10 people about how a store made fun of my friend, and that they were in the wrong. 1 year later that store closed due to rapidly declining sales. That store is now an empty lot
@hyzenthlay7151
@hyzenthlay7151 3 жыл бұрын
This episode is one of my favourites, it's made so well and deserves to be up there as one of the best of the series. But one thing that also made this episode stand out so much for me when compared to other episodes of equal calibre like Waltz, The Visitor, Pale Moonlight and all those, is that this was made relatively early in the series, when the characters were still being fully established. For me this is one of the key episodes in the development of Kira as a character, learning to see a "humane" side to those she hated so much, that would help with her interractions with other cardassians later on. I wonder, if this episode did happen, what would the Commander Kira that went to Cardassia to help the resistence ultimately be like? It even helped her to feel a little pitty in the end for someone that killed most of her resistence cell and tried to kill her in The Darkness and the Light...
@rookangelofmercy7283
@rookangelofmercy7283 3 жыл бұрын
Theae scene analysis r great and ahould become part of ur arsenal
@leroiarmstead
@leroiarmstead 3 жыл бұрын
It was an excellent show. It's a good educational tool also.
@beyerdr
@beyerdr 3 жыл бұрын
Duet is one of the best episodes of DS9, Harris Yulin ( I had to look that up lol) Does a hands down amazing job in this role. He goes from vile evil man to an emotional breakdown at the truth of who he really is and what must be done to attone. And its legitimately powerful to watch. not only that but it does a great of job of giving you emotion about the Occupation, and sets up the Cardassians as a far more complicated antagonist. Ds9 is one of those shows that does a good job of holding up well even by todays standards.
@beyerdr
@beyerdr 3 жыл бұрын
@DEEPFOXJUDE yeah well if its one thing I've learned, its that star trek fans are the worst. For a franchise that encourages imagination and new ideas, many are very close minded to anything new. Im sure that observation is gonna earn me some hate but follow any forum any facebook page or KZfaq channel and the comments are full of that kind of stuff. I for one have found something to enjoy out of all the series that have come out. Not to say they don't have issues, but I get over them because A. Its fiction. And B. Theres still plenty good about them
@beyerdr
@beyerdr 3 жыл бұрын
@DEEPFOXJUDE and DS9 is great stat trek. It moves the universe forward in a way that hadn't been done before. People hated it because it wasn't TNG. The adventurery episodic type of show that fans were used to from TOS. DS9 had concrete arc to it that made you feel as though this is a universe that could happen.
@judewestburner
@judewestburner 3 жыл бұрын
Series one of DS9 wasnt that great, then you get this episode which is staggeringly profound and amazing. I watch this ep a lot
@DaraGaming42
@DaraGaming42 3 жыл бұрын
THeres an Episode of Voyager that had the same premise, Nelix argue with an army Doctor who did evil science , it's a great episode too, it's in season 1
@mikeschneck9570
@mikeschneck9570 3 жыл бұрын
It shows what hatred when built up can release. It was one of my favorite episodes
@timothyhopewell6168
@timothyhopewell6168 3 жыл бұрын
It was a brilliant episode and a strong scene. I also believe the episodes dealing with Kira's adopted cadassian father, sorry can't remember his name, was wonderfully written especially his death episode
@Ashannon888
@Ashannon888 3 жыл бұрын
Tekeny Ghemor was his name
@timothyhopewell6168
@timothyhopewell6168 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ashannon888 thank you
@ddqfpluskick
@ddqfpluskick 3 жыл бұрын
As a scene good as characterization well Kira often went up and down for her views on Cardassians however that may be a well drawn out concept. Kira is still learn herself how to deal with Bajor and being a Bajoran both pre and post occupation.
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