More like 100,000.

A hundred? Try 10,000.

@@grif16 Kharn charges multiple Chapters and Regiments at the same time over and over again He has killed Trillions on his own

@@christiandauz3742 He has also BEEN KILLED BY THEM repeatedly as well. He keeps being respawned though by Khorne.

@@Nempo13 HAHAHAHAHA!!! No Kharn only died once, during the Siege

Most circumstances I’d agree. But if they were clone troopers, different story.

@@LairdErnst Somewhat true yeah. Clones are miles better than storm troopers. That being said though, the few cases of clones versus regular (not remotely close to imperial guard level) organic armies that do exist in star wars are the cases where the most clones died by far in the whole war. Storm troopers are shit but clones from what I can tell aren't much better than normal IRL soldiers in terms of raw combat and tactical prowess. At the end of the day, they were born and trained to kill droids and jedi of which they did great. Not armies of real people, which they have repeatedly shown to only be average at.

UNSC Marine proceeds to show image of UNSC Army soldier😂

​@@LairdErnstClone troopers would wipe imperial guardsmen (not all) but in a controlled environment with even numbers. The IG has good weaponry, but the clones have more training and experience. IG troops unless they're veteran have little to no battle experience given their casualty rates. The clones would definitely not bum rush these guys, it'd take strategy (if we exclude Jedi tactics and include hardcore strategy from the perspective of a veteran Clone).

​@@yellomellow9481 There are plenty of elite well trained IG units.

In the third Chris Pine movie enemy infantry had shields, armor and rapid fire guns!

@@christiandauz3742 I can't remember playing Elite Force all to well, but from what I remember you were a bit if a badass. Personal shields, variety of weapons, Tech that let you get the drop on enemies... Oh, and calling in strikes from Voyager!!!! like, theres a tank in my way 'get rid if it' levels of precision. With equal numbers, I think they would take this fight. Numbers given, just no chance. They would make the best gurella fighters though.

Yeah, that depends on where you get your imagery. A lot of what they show was constrained by Roddenberry or budgets. The man didn't want pockets on Star Fleet uniforms. However, in certain books and, yes, more recent offerings things are different. As much as I do enjoy Star Trek, Roddenberry had some weird ideas.

@@Alphacheesehunter Yes. And that's the reason why people shouldn't worship at his altar. He was a visionary for his time, but some of his ideas would've been absolutely ridiculous to modern audiences.

@@Emanon... To be sure. The universe is really enjoyable, though.

Yeah lol. You could send grunts from halo and they would still probably win

Man to man I’d actually put money on Star gate troops over the star fleet ground units

Only reason why Star Trek would have a chance is because of their weaponry and tech mastery. Can't doubt their strategic genius, but in a ground war against well equipped armies -- then the federation/starfleet would LOSE for sure.

Trek fan here having to now stand on business " Put them up. I say put them up" 😂

​@darthrevan4933 The SG teams are no joke! In the lore you will find they picked the best of the best from around the world. Given the best gear possible (Human or alien). I'd wager an SG strike team could take any non enhanced human force of equal size in the sci fi universe.

Stormtroopers are a joke now but in the old EU stormtrooper armor provided ballistic protection, NPC protection, and could stop lower power blaster pistols.

Imperial guard regiments of the Astra Militarum are not rank and file soldiers. To even be considered to join any guardsmen regiment you have to be the best soldier available from the planets PDF which IS a general forces unit. The only exemption to this rule is Penal Legion units who are literally just death row inmates and are not considered part of the Astra Militarum. Some regiments are so legendary that the Tempestus Scions (Imperial elite special forces) get sent to those regiments as a segment of their training. One example of this is the Elysian Guard who are masters of ship to ship boarding actions as well as Grav Chute (jet-pack) warfare [Functionally they're the 40k version of the 101st airborne and 82nd airborne sprinkled in with USMC Force Recon on steroids.] The biggest problem that 40k has is many people who enjoy the fiction mostly get their knowledge from memes and shitposts instead of the actual novels, Unlike Starwars and halo's fans who generally have to deal with the parent company shitting on the lore and changing it every 10 months.

I was listening for that as well. He does specify the imperial army ground force and the armor he talks about is specifically what the imperial ground troops use, as seen in Solo and Andor. Chest plate, helmet and goggles which means he wasn’t referring to the Stormtrooper corps. Which is more like a marine corps of the empire. Ship boarding the Tantive IV, expeditionary ground assault on Hoth, and installation security on high value assets seems to be their jobs. Whereas the army troopers have a much more diverse set duties from ground assault, planetary defense, garrison duty, mechanized armor and so on.

@@argentward1 pdf's arent the army of the imperium the the militarum are the rank and file pdf's are basically the coast guard

@crimsonshadow3089 PDFs are predominantly the first and last line of defense for many worlds, at the lowest level they're roaming gangs while on valuable systems they are responsible for the defense of its entire sector, specific examples were the Cadian PDF the Elysian PDF Kriegs PDF and Ultramars Auxillia (Their version of a human PDF) Also, is it equating anyone to a Coast Guard, which is literally a military branch proving my point further. Also PDFs are identified as "Primary Military Defense forces of a world or sector"

This would probably be better for Halo vs the other verses

Pretty much, they do have war-suits like the Seekers that can flatten country-sized cities. So your average Warrior-Servant can basically manhandle an entire Astartes Legion.

Being in orbit means they are vulnerable to WH40k Imperial Navy, which means they gonna be outnumbered and completly annihilated. Fin.

PDF is irregular force. It depends on planet government, how many soldiers are recruited, how they are equipped and trained. So its basically milita. Of course, we have examples such as Ultramar Auxilia but mostly local forces are not prepared for full-scale long war

are guard elite? i think we know the elite ones better, but they are not necessarily elite

Cadians maybe

@@andrejplyutin2350 PDF forces include void borne defenses, fleets, stations and orbital defenses, PDF regiments (which for all intent and purposes are like the Guard - but kept on site rather than sent away) AND irregular forces like militias. Every system is tasked with having PDF forces but these vary depending on the manpower and technology available in a system. These are however in almost all cases except notable exceptions like Cadia/Krieg/Catachan etc, many times larger than the guard tithes sent away. Calling forces that have access to entire fleets and every kind of land based force seen in the guard and often also several times larger as just "irregulars" is pretty strange.

@@Luizguilherme-iz9yl In most cases yes. They are in fact a big step up from say PDF forces as these are (unless penal regiments or tithes from back-water/low tech worlds) in most cases career military given the best available resources and tech from their homeworld as part of the tithe. They are not super soldiers, but compared to most they are often veterans and do nothing but train for and wage war.

I was going to say; the Militarum uses a variety of superheavies, and have dedicated anti-titan tanks that would be able to vaporize AT-ATs.

​@@astronomybrainiacthey don't need those super heavys for an AT-AT. Just a Devil Dog (Hellhound variant that had its Infernocannon swapped with a Melta Cannon) could do it by driving into the AT's blind spot and blast it's legs off.

Yeah but one thing you boys forget is just how rare baneblades are

@@sercravenmohead3631 that's why I pointed out an alternative that is based on the Chimera IFV chassis

@@Alex-xt1rr Yeah but again, AT-AT’s aren’t alone and from what I can tell they’re used as Siege engines to drive forward backed up by combined arms of smaller tanks/walkers and infantry. I think these would be pretty difficult to flank especially when the Imperial Guard’s preferred tactic is trench warfare.

The Covvies losing every Ground battle unless they outnumber the UNSC by 20 to 1 be like:

So, basically Tuesday in 40k?

Halo is a great series but UNSC marines and army troopers are basically just modern soldiers. I'd rate modern soldiers above redshirts but that's just because they don't properly apply their military technology.

planet glassed? cute....try fighting as the bloody planet cracks! ARCADIA LITERALLY BROKE BEFORE THE GUARDSMEN DID!!!

The planet broke before they did....oh wait, that's the Cadians.

The Type 3 Phaser Rifle, when set to power level 10, will atomize whatever it is fired at. Warhammer has numbers, both Star Wars and Star Trek have a tech advantage with the different being by how much.

The zeelie sequence stomps 40k into the ground.

@@dillonpeterson66 Bring in books isn't fair. What I would give for a FORCE Multipurpose Assault Rifle from Hyperion At a range of 10 kilometer or less, is "impossible to miss" Variable energy beam that can be set anywhere from cell sized - glass an entire city in one shot, also pulses different wavelengths to bypass shields. Smart missiles, mini but high yield, with built in AI Plasma Manipulation, mode was shown to have a range going from a moon to it's planet. Micro Flechettes Can also fire normal, though very high power rifle rounds. Only down side you need a FORCE suit to power and lift it.

@@MasterFancyPants books aren't fair? My friend 40k is 90% books.

But does warhammer be the Dragon ball Universe though?

The Imperium isn't even winning!

God Emperor: …but… but the other guys are also making up just as crazy numbers and rules to help them why can’t I do it?! Chaos Gods: ah this war was fun for those few dozen planets… anyways lemme go back to my pocket dimension within a larger chaos dimension that humans lose their mind if they enter shielded

AVE IMPERATOR

AI is the future.

@@rapatacush3real artists > AI “art”

@@aquablue666 wanna know the human artist who finish the work in ten seconds.

If I remember correctly the UNSC Army is primarily garrison troops while the UNMC is the expeditionary force (Edit) That is also not mentioning that UNSC armor uses titanium whether it’s heavy armor or body armor

@@Archangel1862 The Marines is the fast reaction force. When UNSC wanted heavy boots on the ground, they used the Army. Marines onboard UNSC ships can only do so much

The UNSC Army are the reason the Covvies adopted the “Glass ‘em!” approach to dealing with Humanity. Because they’d routinely lose ground battles while having an 8 to 1 advantage.

the galactic empire also has an army. Stormtroopers are assault units they only attack and defend important areas.

@@Peter_Turbo4well, that is a factor. For the most part however, it was all part of their extermination of Humanity. The main reason the Covenant will even bother with a ground invasion is to extract any Forerunner Artifacts that they can. Special teams, often times Zealots, would be sent to extract Forerunner artifacts while the rest of the Covenant ground forces would be used to cover for them. In fact, whenever a Spartan wasn’t around, UNSC Ground Forces barely held on, only being able to hold them off because they aren’t the Covenant’s priority. The Forerunner Artifacts are.

I agree with you. It's true the Titans and knights would not be present in a Guard only force, but they would also be over kill for imperial walkers anyway. Not only do I think a Leman Russ Vanquisher would have no problem dealing with AT-ATs (afaik the strongest ground vehicle the Empire has in service) but even if it couldn't a Shadowsword has more than enough firepower to vaporize an AT-AT with just one shot leaving nothing but a set of smoking feet.

Rebels is a bad example considering that other parts of SW lore has the Empire be overpowered. Oh, and the walkers in Rebels were prototypes. Colonel Veers upgraded them before the Battle of Hoth. As for the AT-AT, its armor laughs off anti-tank and fighter cannons in Hoth. It would utterly crush IG tanks, and its guns are rated in the kilotons with a max power shot being essentially a mini-nuke as we saw on Hoth. Forget fighting IG tanks, they'd blow the legs off of Titans.

@@HolyknightVader999 (stormtroopers dying to bows and arrows in RoTJ)

@@voomvoom4522 Stormtroopers were only knocked back by them.

@@HolyknightVader999 they literally penetrate the back plates and stick there.

Lore inaccurate

@@TheRisingEagle93 “11 Barrels Of Hell!”

​@Peter_Turbo4 zeelie sequence:"you hear something?"

@@dillonpeterson66 Throw Dr Who into it and the setting will collapse over the course of an Afternoon.

@Peter_Turbo4 well no shit it's dr who.

No not really, sometimes sure. Other times it can blow holes in rockrete. Depends on the author and the patern of the gun but more often than not its described as a less penetrating but more damaging 50cal. Hollow point 50 cal lmao.

The muzzle energy of the ideal Lasgun is the equivalent to a modern US Abrahams tank main cannon firing a high velocity penetrator round. While it would be highly effective against any infantry armour it needs to be said that lasguns are more of a wepon type eg assault rifle, and would vary significantly between regiments and even units.

@@n0rman908 Rockrete can be anything from futuristic material to mud Adobe. 30 cal also blows holes in concrete without penetrating it. The best example of the power of lasguns is the various descriptions of medical areas and wounds we've gotten. None of those have been consistent with 50 bmg.

@@seantaylor4780 The ideal Lasgun is at least as powerful as the Tsar Bomba, at a minimum. High end powerful lasguns = supernovas.

Best description is that it's so effective only the tough adversaries remained in the settings.

Star Trek has personal force field for the military. Very useful in battle, The others have none WH40K has a few of them (rosarius or halos) but are reserved for VIPs.

​@@painlord2kanyway 250k troops is pitiful even for COUNTRIES on earth, let alone for a multi system confederation. The number just don't add up when the imperial guard number in half a quadrillion.

@@arthurmiranda8896 The 250k troops are for Star Trek I think...

​@arthurmiranda8896 250K isn't exactly a pitiful number of troops a country can have. It's actually an acceptable average. Especially if your country isn't really at war. But it is definitely tiny compared to larger players like China, USA, Russia, North Korea, and India. Many of these countries have branches that large.

@@mill2712 Yeah 250k is a lot of active personal, but still minuscule in war times, i would assume the Star Trek Federation at war would be able to muster at least 100x more man than this.

Form some of the books and how they depict las guns they seem to have a range of about 500 and 300 if it’s raining and can be modified to go full auto or to burn out their power cell for one powerful blast similer to a melta shot and even turn it to a laz gun to have rnnges up to 3 km if the books distend is right

@@devarasaira3851 Depends on the book and what the author wants them to be able to do, but yes, there are variants. There different patterns of lasgun depending on where it was manufactured and when. Mars Pattern, Necromunda Pattern and Triplex Pattern always used to be most common. Also long-rifle sniper variants are common for specialized units. Strom Troopers used to carry hot-shot variants which were S4 rather than hellguns that have a better AP I think?

Cadia Stands, not just in words but because there were so many cadians fighting around in the Imperium the destruction of their planet was not critical and they were able to restart their civilization.

Just as the God Emperor intended

They loose BAD to starstrek

@@dillonpeterson66 I agree that startrek has better weapons but the Imperial guard takes the W bro, they have way more bodies then Startrek. If we say that startrek only had 250k soldier and we say that the Imperial Guard has 1 billion units (which there are estimated to be trillions of guardsmen in total) it is 1 startrek trooper to 4 thousand Imperial guards. I don’t think you would want to be in the situation where there are 4 thousand units charging. That and even though lasguns have less range then a phaser, they still have the capability to blow off limbs with ease. He also didn’t go over this but they also have access to things called Longlass’s which are basically sniper versions of a lasgun.

@mr.savagemustache8098 I'm aware of both the lasgun can blow off limbs but the phaser can turn you to atoms.

No love for the lowly reaper

IIRC, Starcraft was originally being developed as a 40k game, which is why there are so many similarities in art design.

The marine in StarCraft is on a whole other level the c14 rifle fires a 30cm spike made of either depleted uranium or tungsten carbide at hypersonic speed, in shot it’s basically a handheld 25mm bushmaster cannon. No body armor without shield is going to stop that

I would still have to give it to Starfleet Marines. They have dark age technology. You can borrow a tunnel through solid Stone at walking speed with the right setting of a phaser. Another setting will close it behind you. When you have a replicator, you can gorilla indefinitely. Constantly attack enemy, leadership and logistics.

@jtjames79 No, the Federation has 'approaching' DOAT levels of tech. I have yet to see them weaponize black holes in a gun or field battle titans or strategic AI that can manage their whole society. Further, the average marine is not going to have access to all of the super technology seen in the show, and while phasers are impressive, most of the other factions can throw more bodies at the problem than those weapons have charge. Also, I will dispute them being able to carve tunnels out of solid rock. The most impressive thing seen with a man-portable phaser is vaporizing a man sized body after a few seconds of very concentrated fire. Anything more than that required delicate and heavier equipment. Additionally, at least 2 of the factions' FTL speeds leave Starfleet's in the dust. Those same two (Imperium and Empire) are bloodthirsty on a level that even the KLINGONS would balk at. Yeah, the marines might be able to wage a guerrilla action to some extent and see success at first. Then, the Imperium or Empire is going to jump a fleet of warships into orbit and bombard the surface into slag, and leave before Starfleet can mobilize a response. Transporters would definitely not work against void shields and probably would get scrambled by Imperial shields. Most Federation planets don't have orbital shield generators, orbital defense batteries, or surface-to-space weapons. So while the soldiers might see some success as a harassing force, they'll either get vaporized by artillery or destroyed from orbit. In a 1-on-1 fight with 1 of each soldier thrown into an area with their standard kit, I'd say it'd come down to the Imperial Guardsman and maybe a UNSC marine. In an actual war scenario of equal strength forces, Star Wars and the Imperium would probably be the last ones standing. In an all-out war scenario, the Imperium wins, and it's not even close.

Even as a Trekkie, Starfleet is not winning this. Sure, their strike teams could double as guerilla groups, but at the end of the day, Starfleet (hypocritically) is not recognized as a legitimate military. This is because Starfleet is designated as the "scientific, diplomatic, and defensive arm" of the United Federation of Planets. At no point, outside of an actual declared war, does the Federation see to their personnel trained in, nor equipped for, waging dedicated warfare. The closest they come to a standing army are personnel going down the command and security career paths. Everyone else seems to be trained as auxiliaries, regardless of their intended careers or manner of enlistment. This even extends to their allies, as most planets within their borders, but not full members, seem actively encouraged to maintain their own defense forces, independent of Federation services or control. Add onto this that the only time Starfleet personnel are seen with any type of armor (outside of games) was in the TOS era Star Trek movies, specifically 6, where a security team showed up in a suit that looked like a miscolored Saiyan battle suit from DBZ, complete with helmet. While I commend the armor shown, as of 7:27, I stress that whatever armor they make was first designed to counter other specific hostiles. Ie, Omega Force equipment can be used against anything, BUT its primary purpose is to overcome Borg adaptability and their assimilation capabilities; Undine Countercommand weapons and armor is designed for maximizing damage against Undine(aka Species 8472), etc. And speaking of armor, or a lack thereof, the closest they have to a ground deployable armored vehicle, even in non-canon sources that I've seen, is the Argo from Nemesis, which is basically an elongated dune buggy the height of a Jeep and a phaser turret of indeterminate power strapped to the trunk area. Even with exactly 1 fighter design, I know of no other Starfleet vehicles, aside from specifically designed starships and most shuttlecraft, that are capable of inatmosphere/dedicated ground combat. Because of this "we're not a military" attitude, Starfleet seems to actively refuse to research or develop almost anything that could fit the criteria for "legitimate military target" unless they're already on a war footing, or designing the thing to offset the advantage an enemy ship type already has over Starfleet. (Look at any ship in Star Trek Online's microstransaction store; almost all of their descriptions say what they're supposed to have been designed to counter or what niches they were meant to fill.) The only fields that Starfleet infantry beats anyone here is in adaptability to developing field situations, education in combat styles and general tactics, and overall equipment utility. But this is more of a tie with the UNSC cuz they keep making equipment dedicated to 1 or 2 enemy types and modifying it from there, instead of just finding something that works a bit against EVERYTHING and making that the standard. Y'know, kinda like... ALL THE LISTED OPPONENTS HERE.

I would correct the equipment portion of the guard to most of their equipment. Body armor is suspect but I would take a lasrifle over pretty much every option because the power packs are ridiculously easy to recharge. Heck, throwing them into a fire will allow them to recharge, even if their usability after that charge may be questionable. The lasrifle also has enough variety that there are options for every conceivable scenario. Depending on pattern and overall type (las pistol, carbine, rifle, or long las; hellguns are more powerful but have different packs,) you could get anywhere from 15 to over 100 shots from a single power pack, and the power packs are near enough universal. The big thing is making sure that the Munitorum files the paperwork correctly and sends the correct shipments of supplies. Which it generally does, but it is known for the 1% of fuck ups it does cause over 10,000 years.

​@@jtjames79 fed do actually have Vehicles similar to SW in form Hover tanks and IFV to plus don't forget they also have air force to. star fighters and Shuttles can be used has Support and Runabout be very deadly fireing mini photon torpedos a Standard photos can Level Mountin so mini photos pretty Devastating haswell

It depends on the story you are reading. The 597th Valhallan from the Cain novels are shown to be insanely competent.

@@MasterFancyPantsValhallans are not your average guard. Regiments like the cadians and kriegsman are elite

The guard aren't incompetent, for the most part. The majority of planets follow the cadian standards for recruitment and that states that only the top 10%-20% of PDF may be considered acceptable for guard recruitment and training. This can change wildly in terms of end of training skill level, but it does assure that a guard regiment consists of a planets best soldiers with the best quality gear that can be sustainably provided to them. Planetary governors are rare to fuck with the quality of their guard export, since it is one of the few things they can do that would mean an eventually but reasonably assured of a horrific culling of them and their entire bloodline if they did. 90% of the campaigns they are apart of are nothing like the battles we usually see them in which would be the 1000+ 10% of apocalyptic battles involving huge deployments of millions of guard supporting millions to trillions of PDF forces with other special factions like astartes, sisters of battle and various other imperial factions included 90% of the time they do win with little to no intervention from superior factions like space marines, with rarely needing to resort to the insane tactics they use those 10% insane circumstances and the times when they do start up the meatgrinder.... it's most often using the PDF ground forces that got conscripted into guard conscripts under Imperial guard command... because why use your own elite guys from your own culture when there are a billion of these other guys who worship the emperor weirdly (not like us) just right there lol I do agree that the UNSC does run better overall but that's largely because of their superior FTL and the fact the UNSC at the height of it's power was like not even a 1/10th the size of pre-heresy ultramar, let alone the imperium. That's like comparing a pond to the ocean. *tldr*: The guard are normally very very good and would win due to being very good, not needing to result to sheer numbers to defeat UNSC military ground forces.

@@mastershangchi3410 nice to see someone saying it: the IG are an elite army and very capable of what they do. it is just that most stories from 40k are bolter porn, where SM units are deployed. for that to happen, the IG already faces overwhelming odds, so they obviously die in troves to make the SM look better on tabletop, they have to fight vs the strongest stuff the enemy can muster, so they are again a horde army. but in reality, they regulary just fight relativly normal troops, where the lasgun and flakarmor is more than enough. reminds me of the whovian, who was angry at me because I said IG can beat the dalek empire

So true. Marines are the few and the proud.

So do the las guns from 40K in legit both things you brought up the power pack can be recharged by literally putting it in a fire and Startrek isn’t special for glassing worlds 40K is great at doing that and at providing orbital bombardment

Shit against Daemons and the Dark Mechanicum of 40k

@@christiandauz3742 I'm sure Starfleet can pull something out off their ass. Like pass a graviton off a deflector dish to create a subspace distortion or something like that.

Data would probably calculate them out of existence or some funny bs.

The Guard encountering *any* problem: *”WHERE’S THAT ARTILLERY!!!”*

@@Peter_Turbo4 The artillery defected to Chaos!

It is great.

Ye

The Chief would barely count as a space marine scout. He has only a few decades of experience. A full battle brother would breeze past him like he would a Kasrkin trooper.

Missing the entire point of the video. This is about the basic infantry. Elites like the Spacemarines and the Spartans don't participate. This is strictly Imperial Guard vs UNSC Marines vs Imperial Army vs Starfleet Ground teams. There are no Space Marines, no Spartans, no Force Users, and no named Starfleet Ship Captains. The Imperial Guard however would still win since the average Guard Garrison outstrips the entire force numbers with the other factions.

A UNSC marine with an SRS99 can Chris Kyle an Astarte with a surprisingly low level of difficulty. Those guns are NOT to be underestimated.

​@@Peter_Turbo4 Astartes are not to be underestimated either, they have canonical feats of slapping bolt rounds out of the air. The transhuman dread mentioned in 40k is there because something that big shouldn't move that fast and be that agile.

@@fallout0624 a UNSC Marine is used to fighting Jiralhane who do the same thing.

You say that, but Halo has quite a few battles that reach 40k levels of *”Oh God The Toilet Is On Fire!”*

@Peter_Turbo4 but never the level of, oh emperor, the entire solar system is on fire and a half billion guardsman are still.on the planet fighting creatures that are driving them insane and even if they win then the inquisitor is probably going to call.for the planet to be destroyed with all hands on board.

​@@Peter_Turbo4like what?

@@Peter_Turbo4 Eh only a couple bro. And only barely besides reach. Actually pretty much only Reach was something that got close-ish to 40k levels. Bare in mind there were only several hundred covenant ships at reach and that was the largest battle against the covenant during the entire war, according to Fall of reach book. That entire war wouldn't even be referred to a war front in 40k. Like maybe a small crusade sized conflict in terms of scope but that's really it. The Mecharius crusade claimed 10,000 worlds for the Imperium... the UNSC had 47 planets at it's highest power.

The UNSC had around 800 planets at its peak, forgot where I saw that number but I'm sure that's the right one​@@mastershangchi3410

They hardly have the best starships. They're tiny compared to all the others. And design-wise they just look terrible.

@@voomvoom4522 Yeah - structural integrity? What's that?

@@voomvoom4522 size doesn't matter if you have the best tech

@@congnghequansuvn474 only in the comfort department. There hyperdrives are terrible, they have barely any armor, their weapons are mid, and the only protection their crew has is a cloth uniform.

@@congnghequansuvn474 My guy, their ships are basically all cruise ships that go to shit the moment something they weren't prepared for happens

Thats definitely a debatable statement because your suggestion is that 40K humanity doesn’t have quality the imperial guard is the like third level formation that humanity has in that universe From best to worst it goes Custodies Adeptus Astartes Sisters of battle Elite guard formations (IE the black, the shock troopers and the Mortien iron guard) Standard guard formations (cadiens and the death corps of krieg) PDF Peinel legion To suggest that it isn’t quality is insane the shear variation of heavy and anti armor weapons at the infantry level that is being carried by the guard is batshit crazy the best weapons for anti armor carried by the UNSC might be lucky the take off the paint from a leman Russ MBT much less some of the bigger tanks they have that’s not even me going into the sheer ludicrous amount of armor and armor variety they have and artillery

I love 40K I really do but the baneblade just isn’t that common look at the war for vraks for example that was several death corps formations and they only brought a handful of them

It is. They're basically the same thing, but 40k troops have lasguns, which haven't made their way into common use in the UNSC yet. They exist, but only Spartans really use them, and they're rather large and slow firing.

That just means all of their shots would come out the barrel at 90 degrees hitting nothing but the sky and ground. 😅

@@onieyoh9478 or maybe even themselves

Star Wars would get fucked in a 40k Crossover Get eaten by Tyranids or worship Chaos just to survive?

Stormtroopers actually have better aim than the avg Marine. they are just shown wrongfully. And the Imperial Army are actually the normal infantry force in Star wars

@@hello_there9879 501st lost Endor That is beyond atrocious

I mean it really truly doesn’t he glossed over it but the guard has an insane amount of gear that he doesn’t even talk about that even at the guardsmen level would be a hard stop for a lot of the things they can field and that’s not bringing up the truly crazy armor they can pull out of left field and the arty they have which includes a wide variety of triple A weapons

still lacks the numbers compared to everyone else tho. Hell the IoM would shit all over Star Trek both in the void and on the ground due to numbers alone. Their tech. is esoteric and complex enough to drive any Starfleet engineer mad especially once they hear about things like machine spirits ..... and then learning said machine spirits are actually a real thing .... yea the insanity inducing kind of mad.

Even the fairly lackluster militaries of Mass Effect would absolutely Cleveland steamer the Star Trek forces.

​@Phenixtri it isn't really that good of an argument if all you can say is numbers. 40k win in numbers because many things they once have are either hard to make in scale or pure impossibility.

​@@MortabluntScientists in Star Trek are creating planets from scratch, and some random dude with emotional issues destroyed an entire solar system by blowing up a star with a homemade missile. Sisko sent a few torpedoes down to make a planet's atmosphere toxic to humans, _and only humans._ Starfleet was like "Well, we can't _legally_ make a cloaking device, but what if we made a ship that can fly through planets?" Star Trek is hilariously ahead of the rest on scientific levels. The only place it's behind is ftl speeds, where Stargate has a solid win.

It does both

​@@lordcaedus8465 nope, a .22 would penetrate their armor, lmao.

They're designed to block the actual bolt. The kinetic energy transfers and knocks them out but the armor stops the actual bolt. So you'll get knocked the hell out but most times not die.

Ballistic weapons are quasi-illegal within Star Wars for a reason.

@@Peter_Turbo4 I'm not sure where you got that from because I have never heard of something like that at all, and I do have at least half of the Legends novels and more. I'm not calling you a liar, just uncertain is all. I know metanerdzlore does a really good video covering slugthrowers.

The Ghosts are already ≈2000. They are always described as a just a small part of the army that invaded a planet being the reason for why they can never colonize one.

@@David-eh9le Also worth noting that in the Ciaphas Cain books the Vallahan Ice Warrior regiment (597th iirc?), while a badass combined arms regiment is usually deployed on planets to suppress heretical insurrections/kick the Tau off Imperial Worlds. The full might of the guard isn't really required for that (well, _usually._ Given Cain's luck shit always hits the fan and they end up calling for reinforcements later).

The las gun in RPGs is reliable, shoots fast, got a lot of shots for a full energy pack, doesn't have recoil. The only problem is that it lacks the penetration other weaponry could have.

@@AAhmou lazguns hace recoil in darktide many of there lasguns have recoil. tho a starwars blaster has far more ammo, with a single ammo clip having hundreds of bullets.

@@AAhmou I'm pretty sure a las gun is punching a hole in you, and is arguably more effective than a laser blaster.

@@Memelord1117 Except blasters fire explosive rounds in the OT. So they're practically bolters in energy format.

LOL SW blasters aren't inaccurate. We see the Stormtroopers gun down Rebel soldiers like they're nothing, and Kenobi even talks about how accurate they are as he points to a sandcrawler taken down by small arms fire that hit all its weak points. Whenever Stormtroopers miss, they're herding you from one place to another. Leia even figured that out in EP4, when she realized that the Empire let them go. One scene later, Tarkin questions the wisdom of letting them go.

Lasgun effective range can heavily depend on the power of the shot and what type it is, as the lasgun can have apparently 11 different firing modes ranging from weak rapid fire low intensity shots to very few strong las shots, I assume that when at max output a lasgun can have a longer effective range, this is not counting the longlas that are actual long range laser snipers

It's great to be a laser pointer on a range but in combat you just want the rounds to hit as fast as possible and remove a threat.

Effective range*

A lasgun's "real" effective range is more than that in-universe. The 300 meters stat given in the RPG is simply for gameplay balance reasons.

@@Gunnar001 now that's is a good reason. Limit the range to control how the armys interact. I was coming from the other direction originally. I saw heard the stats and was like IRL id never take a lazgun over M249/SAW

I love the Helghast, but they are pretty two-dimensional. Just your typical "Space Nazis"...

@@maxcooper6554 thank you for saying that

@@maxcooper6554Thank you for your Opinion. But unfortunately it’s completely Wrong.

_Emphasis on technically._ The planetary aircraft flyboys are under the jurisdiction of the Guard Commissariat while on-planet, so they're really 'Navy in name only' at that point.

The only thing that’s making the UNSC retreat is a Titan-Class unit being deployed. And even then, that’s usually just to get away from the incoming MAC strike they just called.

People that say that lasguns are more powerfull than infantry phasers... In a TNG movie, max setting phaser would DESINTEGRADE a normal human, full power lasgun shot would just rip a arms off.... Any ship in Star Trek has Photon and Quantun torpedos, on DS9, when the Obsidian Order and Thal shiar (i think is their name) had team up and had gone to the Founders home world, they would reach the planet mantle in a matter of minutes. Even the imperium colosal battleships still uses supersized conventional cannons (Macrocannons) as the main weapon. Even in such huge size, i doubt it that would compeate both in power, range or accuracy against even a regular military ship phaser of star trek, Photons Torpedos would be classifield as "Exterminatus grade weapons" by their own right. Sadly Star Trek ground troops was so little explored or showed, but i belive that a max setting phaser rifle shot would kill or heavly injured a Space Marine, having at least the power of a Plasma Gun shot, without the cool but also awfull change to self destruct.

​@@eduardomattosalves4940The phaser rifle has the power of artillery at the maximum power level.

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what? how is 40k more realistic then Halo?

@@CanadianLegionaire Depends on the regiment. Halo is based on our modern NATO style armies. There are regiments that would be more like them and there are regiments that are complete oposite. I will not count penal legions but cadians, Steel legion and others would be quite modern style of army. Krieg are seen by modern standards outdated but their doctrine seems to be quite valid in the last few years. Tempestus scions and elysians are also modern troops. Yes you have armies that are outdated or suitable to open field war. Catachans and Armagedons Orc hunters are both querila regiments. To sumarise, Halo is closest to the moders doctrine currently used by NATO. Realisticly you are not conquering planet like modern earth in total war with less then 50+ million soldiers (this includes support personal). Yes modern armies are small but they count on Turning their standard personal into officers in case of proper war to rapidly boost their numbers. Most universes struggle with numbers.

realistic??? ahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha thats a good one, nice joke pal

@@hordynighthawk325 you know that wh is not written to be taken literally right?? unreliable narrative is the base of wh, because of that rule is that exist many contradictions, inconsistencies and many more errors than most of the fictional universes do not have.

@@hordynighthawk325 You're right that Halo is based more on our modern NATO doctrines. Its clear that, for the UNSC marine corps at least, maneuver warfare is the name of the game. The thing is though, the UNSC military wasn't used to invade worlds. During the human-covenant war it was constantly on the defensive. That's not to say it didn't go on the offensive. For example, early during the battle of Reach, the UNSC launched major offensive in an attempt to wipe out the covenant presence on Reach. However, that offensive was part of a wider defensive campaign. As for planetary campaigns, when it comes to realism all settings struggle with this because they always either forget or simply don't show the most important part. Logistics. Doesn't matter if you have 50 million soldiers or 500 million. If you don't have the supply lines to keep those troops fed, to make sure they have a steady supply of ammo (which disappears insanely fast), spare parts and vehicles etc. You're campaign is doomed to fail. The only part that I would say 40k has over Halo in the realism department is the numbers used to invade a populated world. Like stated previously however, the UNSC wasn't sending invasion fleets to land on Covenant planets to conquer and hold them. Other then that Halo is far more realistic then 40k.

The chief punched a missile out of the sky once. A clone commando couldn't kill a old mandalorian with a machete.

Because some random "artist" would cry because they are using their shit.

He also failed to mention that the UNSC Marines have B-65 Shortswords and Nukes . As well as Longsword strike fighter variants.

Even a 12 year old Whiteshield with 15 minutes of Training has a shot at taking down a Traitor Astarte.

Yeah, the guard recruits are usually the cream of the crop. The PDF is the guys who are good, but not great.