LAST BATTLE of the DONNAGER | Battle breakdown for the donnys last stand

LAST BATTLE of the DONNAGER | Battle breakdown for the donnys last stand | The Expanse

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Жыл бұрын

This video is a first for Science Insanity, so I hope you enjoy and find it entertaining.
Up today on the chopping block is the final battle of the donnager from season one episode 2 of the expanse. 6 Amun-ra class stealth ships intercept and attack the donnager in an attempt to stop information about their secret operations from being exposed. Follow along as we discuss the actions, tactics and major moments of the fight.
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@scienceinsanity6927 Жыл бұрын

Just to let everyone know, this video is half a test. If you guys like this style of content and would like to see more of this kind of video then let me know. I had a lot of fun making it and while I'm unhappy with the quality of it in some places i think it turned out pretty alright for a first attempt.

@ranekeisenkralle8265 Жыл бұрын

I for one quite like it. And the Donny just is a sleek and badass ship. Well, technically WAS, but oh well.. details

@derekburge5294 Жыл бұрын

Yes, good-good. This is an excellent format to pursue, doubly so given it's about the dusters getting their self-righteous selves thrashed.

@alexkatc59 Жыл бұрын

The 6 stealth ships had caught Donny without his pants and even then they lost more than half of their numbers. If Donny had made America great again and deployed all his carried escort-ships, the result would have been another. Even minimal order consisted from 1 Tachi-class corvette and 2 destroyers could change the result, what to say about full? I clearly remember that Donnager's full order of carried escort-ships consist from 2 corvettes and 6 destroyers. It would be 9 against 6 in normal situation.

@thesterrave 6 ай бұрын

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@inventor121 Жыл бұрын

It's telling that the attackers had every single advantage the could get stacked on their side, and the Donnager had every quite a few disadvantages (hubris, underestimating opponents) stacked on it's side. And it still ended up being a suicide mission for the attackers.

@trenchtierstudios554 Жыл бұрын

Guess the guy in charge was named Zap Brannagin.

@thesterrave 6 ай бұрын

@TsunZiven Жыл бұрын

The stealth ships were not approaching in a single file line when the Donnager first detected them. The stealth ships were burning in formation close together. The stealth composites helped reduced each of the six ships' radar signature to resemble just that of just one ship, while the close distance between ships made rhe drive plume look like that of one ship. An analogy would be those LED flashlights that have multiple LEDs but when far enough away look like one bright light.

@thesterrave 6 ай бұрын

@sumukhvmrsat6347 Ай бұрын

@@thesterravewtf 😂🎉

@LeeCarlson Жыл бұрын

The reason that Holden and his crew assumed that the beacon aboard the Scopuli was Martian was that they recognized the tech (Holden had been an officer in the UN Navy) by maker's marks/serial numbers.

@thesterrave 6 ай бұрын

@wbnc66 Жыл бұрын

this is the definitions definition of a Pyrrhic victory and in the end a strategic Loss....the Donnager.. "if I'm going out I'm taking you all with me."

@thesterrave 6 ай бұрын

Please know that we have all did evil (sin) and we are punished to death and since we do evil and reject God we will go to hell but God lovingly provides a way out through Christ where we can be saved if we trust in Gods work on the cross. please make sure to turn from your sins.

@gilmadreth680 Жыл бұрын

Sci: This left only the escort assigned to Thoth Station operational... Rocinante: I don't do half measures. [deploys PDCs with malicious intent]

@sumukhvmrsat6347 Ай бұрын

Rocinante : As the last good thing I do as Tachi , I hereby reunite all 9 brothers of Amun ra class stealth focks

@dathore Жыл бұрын

Very nice start for the new series, one small note to add, the Donnager was crewed by somewhat green crew members, who barely had experience against small ships, no real full combat experience, which just goes to show how good the Donnager was, that even when crewed by less than expert hands, it still took down 4 out of 6 highly deadly targets after an ambush.

@bobskywalker2707 Жыл бұрын

Let’s not forget that in the book series, the last three surviving Donnagers were used by the underground (really underwhelming name I know) during the Siege of Laconia. That means nearly 50 years after the Donnie was destroyed, her sister ships are still out there, kicking ass and taking names.

@richlisola1 Жыл бұрын

Were the stealth ships crewed by combat vets?

@dathore Жыл бұрын

@@richlisola1 I don't remember where it was mentioned but the ships where basically crewed by private military, I don't know if they where vets, but they where certainly professionals and had already practiced ambush tactics, they are basically to blame for the whole mess with the Canterbury to begin with.

@o-wolf Жыл бұрын

The donnager crew were NOT green. They were just (rightfully) woefully unprepared to face anything that advanced

@djolds1 Жыл бұрын

@@o-wolf It's stated in the episode that the CIC crew had only ever trained in simulators. Going by how well the Donnie gave, Mars has GOOD simulators.

@PepRock01 Жыл бұрын

As a regular viewer of Spacedock I fully support this video.

@thesterrave 6 ай бұрын

@Marinealver 5 ай бұрын

Ah yes the Big Bad Ship that blows up like a Star Destroyer every time we see it.

@Hammerheadcruiser Жыл бұрын

The battles in the expanse are all so good, this one a clear highlight.

@thesterrave 6 ай бұрын

@o.k.productions5202 Ай бұрын

“Blasting it’s way out and pointing its guns at anyone who’d attempt to stop it” would be Holdin’s go to strategy for years to come.

@Sephiroth144 Жыл бұрын

"Who'd be crazy enough to take on the Donnager in CQB?" "Those fuckers, apparently..."

@sumukhvmrsat6347 Ай бұрын

You mean the unexpected surprise Stealth fock that became 6 unexpected surprise stealth focks 😂🎉

@groomschild1617 5 ай бұрын

for the 9 min mark. its its not because the railgun shell hit the ammo storage but because railguns shells shatter at a molecular level at around 3km/s. its like throwing glass at the ground the harder you throw it the more shards. railguns shells turn into HEAT shells when they impact a target. which is why whipple plating is so important for ships

@wulozhero6684 Жыл бұрын

It always bugged me that the fact that Yao and ultimately Perez gave them the Tachi was never mentioned. Under the command of a Martian pilot no less. Technically on a mission for Mars.

@djolds1 Жыл бұрын

Mars either didn't know, didn't believe it, or found it more useful to emphasize the heroic martyrdom of the Donnager and the cowardly taking of the Earther Taker Holden and his crew of near-pirates.

@thesterrave 6 ай бұрын

@techpriest2854 Жыл бұрын

the stealth ships did not use the shadow of the first to hide, they had a system to link together so that one ship would be able to move the others. this way it looks like one medium size ship rather then several smaller ships.

@thesterrave 6 ай бұрын

@techpriest2854 6 ай бұрын

@@thesterrave search up the history of the vallys of gehena, jesus was killed not because he spread the word of god but because the roman officials thought he was going to kill everyone and take over one of their cities, the story of the rapture was a major element of early christianity much like any doom cult. the change in depictions of gehena from an actual place was due to misunderstandings that it was a real physical place in what is now greece. the depiction of eternal sufferin is due to the idea that the bodies would keep suffering after rapture when they were dumped by the 'worthy' of god into the vally below the actual city. if that isn't enough for you, answer this. my life is dedicated to helping others and expanding my understanding of the universe. if I am unworthy in the eyes of god then it is no god that deserves my faith. I will not pray to a god which doesn't care about me as a person beyond my devotion. Why should I worship god if they refuse to help those in need, the thousands who still are enslaved and oppressed. I would rather spend my time actively helping others than sitting back and giving kind words.

@sirrickardjameses Жыл бұрын

This is nearly spacedock quality content only funnier. 10/10 would smash.

@CMDR_Verm Жыл бұрын

I greatly enjoyed this because The Expanse scorched through some events so fast that I had no time to catch my breath. I'd need to watch an episode two or three times sometimes just to make sure I was up to speed. A great series and a brilliant analysis. Thank you, you got a sub.

@thesterrave 6 ай бұрын

@zsdfasdfas Жыл бұрын

This is crazy, Yao wasn't wrong that the attackers were on a suicide mission, as their losses even before closing the distance were catastrophic. In IRL war most armies / navies would consider disengaging after 10-20% losses. Her mistake was that these guys are actually suicidal. Was it ever explained why these guys have such low regard for their own lives? To lose 6 ships in one mission was not a good use of resources...

@astronomybrainiac Ай бұрын

Protogen was shown in Season 2 to be in the business of non-invasively removing its scientists' empathy through focused magnet therapy. Given that they did that to ensure that their scientists would be unaffected by petty morality, one can only imagine how they played with the self-preservation and aggression instincts of their soldiers. Of note, when Holden comes across a downed (but alive) Protogen boarder during the escape from the Donnager; the man simply accepted his impending death with complete and utter serenity. So they probably did SOMETHING to their minds.

@matthewfullmer3035 Жыл бұрын

I need to pick some nits with the radar shadow argument. It would be very hard to hide behind a leader when manoeuvres are taking place. If the ships were perfectly aligned head to tail then the drive plums would be perfectly aligned and the ships in front of each would be scorched. Very, very badly, and very, very quickly. Those drives need to be putting out colossally hot and fast exhaust to accelerate their hulls at even a fraction of G. Elsewhere in The Expanse their threat as a weapon is directly touched on. If the ships were not directly aligned there would still be a problem of drive plumes. As above, these are phenomenally hot. Therefore, they are visible from a very long way off. I.e., the Donnager saw the stealth "ship" heading for the Knight and made the move to intercept first. And at no point did the Donnager seem to have any trouble seeing that the ship(s) was out there. Only that they did not recognize it and could not distinguish the numbers. One explanation I have seen (although, I cannot recall if there was any substantiation in the books) was the the ships were physically docked. This is kind of plausible. But it only gets them so far. If they were head to tail, only one drive can be on and it will provide 1/6th the effective delta-v. If they had split up they might well have beaten the Donnager to the shuttle (we don't know because distances, times, and thrusts are only hinted at, if at all). Another is that they were flying in very close formation (or were linked side to side). Probably more plausible, as then all 6 ships can use their drives. Assuming their helm's were all slaved, this could be done safely. The big advantages might be that it becomes hard to discriminate the seperate hulls from range. This would add to the "you cannot tell who we are and what we are capable of" angle. Ditto for the drives. Is that one big drive plume? 6 large-ish drives from one big ship? Or 6 totally distinct drives? Hard to reference your database of engine/ship combos if you cannot discriminate what engine(s) you are looking at.

@ToddWaid1 Жыл бұрын

Great breakdown. Thoroughly enjoyed it. The expanse is a great show and even better book series and it's nice to see it get some love.

@thesterrave 6 ай бұрын

@GrendelMTL Жыл бұрын

I figured the Stealth ships were docked together and burning as one. They wouldn't be able to stack up behind each other that closely without burning out the ship behind them

@WhenGoatsWentBaa 8 ай бұрын

While you are correct that they were actually just flying in a tight formation, flying in a line wouldn't be a problem in this situation The shadow case by the lead ship is effectively infinite in length, as long as the following ships are behind it, they can be 100 meters away or 10,000 meters and they'd still be concealed, so they can just follow along at a distance that won't get them disintegrated by the lead

@sumukhvmrsat6347 Ай бұрын

You mean like the alien ships did in the movie BATTLESHIP ?

@LeeCarlson Жыл бұрын

I love your description of what is called the "radar shadow" because radar cannot detect you when you are in it.

@bengrogan9710 Жыл бұрын

This is why many modern radar systems multiplex radar emitters and recievers in different locations to prevent it. One of the things that wasn't mentioned in this is in a space show it is actually harder to do this than in atmosphere - if they are moving on intercept courses they will have to be 'leading' arriving at your predicted position. But you aren't at that position, the shadow will be constantly changing meaning that the trailing ships will need to be constantly changing their position to remain occluded

@LeeCarlson Жыл бұрын

@@bengrogan9710, and if the vessels are all composed of stealth composites and designed to confuse radar images that does not help. When the inbound pack is detected Captain Yao is told that they are reading a drive signature but that they are unable to get a good read on the vessels themselves.

@thesterrave 6 ай бұрын

@shingshongshamalama 5 ай бұрын

I hope the MCRN learned a valuable lesson here. Never have your valuable capital ships operate independently. If the Donnager had had literally _any_ escorting vessels or any sort of battle group, those frigates probably wouldn't have even gotten a single good railgun shot on her before they were all dust. A lone capital ship is a dead capital ship.

@sumukhvmrsat6347 Ай бұрын

Even the Tachi deployed would have meant the end for the 6 stealth focks suicide mission . Imagine if they had 6 rocinante or Morrigans deployed in escort formation

@thatlonewolfguy2878 Жыл бұрын

This video is a 10/10. More pls. Honestly would not be upset if your entire channel became series' of these for The Expanse, 40k, Star Trek, Star Wars and anything else with cool ship to ship battles like these but The Expanse has the best for sure

@thesterrave 6 ай бұрын

@thatlonewolfguy2878 6 ай бұрын

@@thesterrave Cringe, be silent, don't care, your religion is a cult by definition, your god doesn't exist, L + no one asked + ratio ripbozo

@KristovMars Жыл бұрын

This is probably the best battle report I've seen on YT relating to a space battle - bloody great work!

@KristovMars 6 ай бұрын

@@thesterrave even if your god was real, I would stand in defiance against it. In the god-thing's own words (written by men in your fairy-tale - the bible) it is an evil, manipulative, murderous Demon - and I will not bow before anyone or anything that demands it. Reason will eventually kill your god, and bring people like you into the light.

@AdmriaVanNova Жыл бұрын

new to the channel, but loved the Dony breakdown, and now the battle. Great Work!

@thesterrave 6 ай бұрын

@mk6315 2 ай бұрын

From Battlezone II music to FTL ost Right in the childhood

@elvisibra Жыл бұрын

CAPT Yao fought like a real amateur (due to plot reasons). She had "One" that became Six, firing 4 missiles each, she responded with 18 of her own, Five went through, she went with Railguns, but they had them too, and even way less powerful, still 4 vs 2, and at that moment (if not before), she should've fired more missiles, and while enemy distracted, picked them off "one by one" with her "Two Big Guns". As for being surprised by "railguns on ships this size", Amun Ra isn't that small ship really, but its radar cross-section might appear smaller on sensors due to Stealth.

@williamhare4456 Жыл бұрын

Another flaw due to plot reasons is when the contact reached her engagement range. She should have ordered the crew of her escort ship to board their vessel and wait at first shots launch her escort to add more firepower and act as both a decoy and stopgap for holes the PDC net.

@elvisibra Жыл бұрын

@@williamhare4456 Yes. At the time there was one Light Frigate in Donnager's hangar bay, presumably there was at least crew complement for stations necessary for extra short mission, or one shift. While mentioning shifts, previous "Official channels" seem to always forget that, regarding a naval vessel, even shortest durabilities are few days or weeks, thus, complement will always be a double (two shifts), or more, of stations that have to be manned. At least, that's how The Military approaches things i.e. when enter Command Deck (and other crucial areas) there will never ever be empty chairs there, like on the Roci with only 4 of them, thus conclusion that ships like that can be operated by only few is false, I mean, even if maybe can be, will not be allowed to. Ships are planned and built to fit all necessary.

@alexkatc59 Жыл бұрын

@@elvisibra Even more, at that moment there were 2 more destroyers at hangar bay, not only Tachi.

@elvisibra Жыл бұрын

@@alexkatc59 I don't know about that, maybe in the books. On TV, we saw only one Light Frigate (during taking in Knight), and later. 4 platforms empty, one for Knight, and one (in the opposite side row) for the Tachi. And in that scene we can scale Donnager hangar by inside: it has six double stories + two one storey (one below those six, and one above), now one storey in Donnager is visible being size of 1.5 (or little more) normal storey (5-6m), thus one double is 10-12m. Means that ceiling height of the hangar bay is 70-84m. Door from the outside has pattern on them that seems to "copy" those stories inside, but not sure, cause bottom of the door is rather leveled with the hangar bay floor, while on the top, hangar bay ceiling seems to be somewhat taller (few meters or a storey)..

@matthewfullmer3035 Жыл бұрын

I need to pick a couple of nits (the core point of there being plot holes is well founded). The dialog clearly states that the bogies were coming inside the effective range of guided missiles. It is in direct reaction to that report that Yao orders the railguns powered up. We can ponder the details of the missiles having a minimum range on the side, but it is clearly established. There is no reason to believe that firing more would have had any effect. (incidentally, we do not know for sure how many missiles were exchanged. We have a good idea about the first wave from each side. But the editing creates the impression of some time going by between bridge scenes. So, it could have been one wave from each side or many. It is hard to prove either way) They were surprised because they had never seen (nor been briefed of the existence) of a ship that size having a railgun. And they could see its size. The drive plumes alone told them the masses of the ships (you can see the plume; what it is made of and how fast it is going. You can see that its origin (i.e., the ship) is speeding up or down at some rate. F=M*A, you know the mass of the ship). They also could 'see' the ships with visuals. The hull shape being displayed is what Holden reacts to. So they know the volume. And yet, they had never seen nor heard report of a ship that small having a railgun. Therefore, it is hardly a plot hole or incompetence to be surprised that something new and surprising happened.

@atracin 11 ай бұрын

Love it! The Donny is my favourite ship in The Expanse. I cant get enough content about all of the Donnager class.

@atracin 6 ай бұрын

@@thesterrave Shut up nerd

@jorvoyte6042 Жыл бұрын

This battle was great to watch, I noticed in the show that whenever one of these ships are destroyed, it seems that it is the result of lacking a proper escort protection to create a defensive line for ship. Think of the donnager as an aircraft carrier today, in operation they are almost always the center of a strike group. I wonder if the donnager would have survived if the tachi had been properly crewed and deployed to escort the ship and protect it with the PDCs.

@matthewfullmer3035 Жыл бұрын

I have always found the Donnager's hangerbay (and holding a vessel as large and capable as the Tachi to be a bit of a plot hole. If the Corvette-class (I believe that is what they explain the Tachi/Roci as belonging to in the books) is so capable of making cross-system journeys, why have a carrier at all? If the big ships want local transports for personnel and cargo transfer, and boarding actions, why give them such a large and capable ship (i.e., 20 torpedoes, 6 PDCs, crew of a dozen...)? It all feels like an idea the authors realised did not quite work after it got the protagonists into their own ship and dropped it (i.e., we never see any evidence of such large hangers and/or such capable integral escorts ever again; not even with other Donnager-class ships). As for the analogy to modern carrier groups, that does not really hold up in space. Sites like Atomic Rockets have detailed explanations. But the basic gist is that anything a manned fighter can do, a missile can do for either cheaper or better. And there is no horizon so there is no limit of the reach of the parent ship's weapons (and their range is immense in zero-g, which the show hints at superbly; i.e., Yao calmly leaving the bridge after missiles have been launched as a prime example). And for much the same, there is no need for anti-submarine support because there is nowhere to hide. The stealth ships are an analog to subs, but they are 1) not a regular part of the major militaries and 2) as the show makes clear, you can see them when they use their engines.

@jorvoyte6042 Жыл бұрын

@@matthewfullmer3035 I don't think I was going with fighters part of the analogy, I was more referring to a support fleet, such as the tachi providing more defense against missiles and engaging the stealth ships alongside the Donnager. The carrier analogy is more about protecting expensive capital ships with smaller cheaper ships.

@matthewfullmer3035 Жыл бұрын

@@jorvoyte6042 That is a fair point. I generalised to the fighter question because that is a common argument and painted you with that broad brush incorrectly. But I still think my argument largely holds. Modern support ships are designed around countering specific types of threats. Mostly, fighters and subs. Without those in a realistic space environment, one would expect less need for them. Additionally, the need to protect a carrier is largely because of how vulnerable it is on account of being a fighter carrier-launcher-recoverer. The Donnager is much more akin to a WWI battleship. "Escorts" in that period were mostly older, smaller battleships. These rarely behaved in anything approaching a screening fashion. The big ships wanted to get in the line and fire because they had the greatest capabilities when there. It is a fair question as to why the Donnager did not deploy the Tachi to help. I can come up with several ideas (besides plot device to get the protagonists into their own capable ship). But really they all seem to eventually boil down to "the entire point of the Donnager battle seems to be establishing that something wholly new and unexpected has changed the playing field. Both the UN and the MCRN did not see it coming at all and it is a threat to both." In that context, I find it understandable that an experienced commander could be caught off guard by a clever and high tech surprise and not have every last resource deployed. But one has to buy that premise to explain it.

@thesterrave 6 ай бұрын

@davidnemoseck9007 Жыл бұрын

First, loved the video. And yes, would love to see more of these.

@Maj_Kasul Жыл бұрын

Great job 🎉. Thank you

@julius-stark Жыл бұрын

Hope you do a Battle of Thoth Station video, that's going to be a fun one.

@StarScapesOG Жыл бұрын

Excellent video! Love the expanse.

@thesterrave 6 ай бұрын

@superzentredi 2 ай бұрын

I would contend, considering the damage it did to the stealth ship fleet, the Donnie won a pyrrhic victory. Those ships have to be a large fraction the cost of the Donnager itself, and Mars still has half a dozen more.

@fredlandry6170 8 ай бұрын

I love this battle, it’s one of the best space battles in Sci Fi I think.

@bani1046 Жыл бұрын

love what you do

@michaelcarney6280 Жыл бұрын

Great Video loved it! Missed Steve though.

@ShinyCopperpot Жыл бұрын

Good job, keep up the good work! :)

@thesterrave 6 ай бұрын

@tuskegee87 Жыл бұрын

Yep I'm here for all of it

@SpeakyDeak Жыл бұрын

i know i'm late but i'm subscribing hoping that you will do more space battle breakdowns especially The Expanse ones

@krisvires Жыл бұрын

Ok... Hot take here: The Donager is basically the Expanse's version of "Worf" from TNG... Worf had a badass reputation as a warrior, so when the new bad guy of the week comes on, they have to beat the crap out of Worf to prove how dangerous they are... enter the Donager- oh it's a badass Martian Super Battleship! Only the two we see fight in the show both end up floating chunks of debris.

@Phantom6.6.6 6 ай бұрын

Even though it lost it still won in the end by eradiacting the ships that tried to take it not to mention how the tachi/rocinante eventually killed the last of the stealth ships so donnager got at least one more kill even in death

@buffewo6386 Жыл бұрын

Another factor of the "shadow" concept you mentioned is only part of the reason this could work. IRL, this is a problem of resolution. Each radar system has a minimum area, in terms of azimuth and depth, that it can discriminate between seperate targets. It all a part of the physical components, signal parameters, and the signal processing that define a systems abilities.

@steelbaron6343 Жыл бұрын

That was pretty good. Simple graphs, but they got the point across.

@thesterrave 6 ай бұрын

@smatthewson2613 Жыл бұрын

Always wondered why there weren't ready crews to scramble the tachi's siblings to expand pd and sensor nets aboard Donnager.

@porthosduvallon5301 Жыл бұрын

Loved the video! It’s been awhile since I’ve watched the expanse but did they ever mention why the Donny didn’t have or deploy its compliment of support ships I could have been carrying in this battle?

@thesterrave 6 ай бұрын

@Voltuss5 Жыл бұрын

I enjoyed it.

@lordjulian4263 Жыл бұрын

More! Please!

@jaredcolon4535 Ай бұрын

The donny caused a 66% loss to enemy forces on a 6 to 1 fight that's still a good metric

@lostguy2023 6 ай бұрын

I think it was some awesome comentary. But there is some Halo (story line) analysis that I would love to see someone explore too. :-)

@matt247even 11 ай бұрын

There needs to be a battle of thoth station break down too! Roci Vs stealth ship and station was a great fight

@thesterrave 6 ай бұрын

@matt247even 6 ай бұрын

@@thesterrave thanks for that drivel

@paulbobenhausen8031 Жыл бұрын

Honestly the main thing that stands out to me here is that Expanse combat, while very cool, does not make much sense. Engaging in missile warfare with PDCs as your main defenses is sort of akin to refusing to parry in a knife fight, and just relying on body armor. Not strictly impossible per se, but quite stupid. There's some other inconsistencies, like the lack of networking or the fact that apparently somehow presumably laser based military comms are being jammed, but this just jumped out at me a bit too hard to ignore.

@GrendelMTL Жыл бұрын

I thought the Beacon on the Scopuli had MCRN markings on it?

@hurnn1543 Жыл бұрын

I never understood why they never launched the Tachi to help in the fight. Also the Martians for got how to maneuver in the battle one side is all shot up if only there was some technology that would allow you to change which side was facing the enemy.....

@MatthewFutrell Жыл бұрын

Any chance you could do a break down of Thoth Station Assault from the expanse, namely the because of the Roci vs the Stealth ship battle?

@thesterrave 6 ай бұрын

@MatthewFutrell 6 ай бұрын

@@thesterrave Yeah he loves us but will gladly throw us in fire for not loving them the way they want, sounds like a really awesome relationship. You idiots are some sad bottoms for your creepy sky daddy.

@nielsandersen6164 Жыл бұрын

How can a fusion reactor go critical?

@g3heathen209 Жыл бұрын

beat the notification

@JeanLucCaptain Жыл бұрын

please PLEASE DO some Battletech Space Battles!

@ranekeisenkralle8265 Жыл бұрын

McKenna's Ultimatum, Case Amber, Kerensky's return to Terra.. yes, there are quite a few to choose from.

@scienceinsanity6927 Жыл бұрын

I have seen these comments and went to go check it out. Unfortunately i do not own any of the books where this battle took place so i need to relly on the wiki and other sources. Of which there are not many. So this topic is most likely going to be put on the back burner until i can figure out how to get accurate and detailed information to work from.

@ranekeisenkralle8265 Жыл бұрын

@@scienceinsanity6927 What i mentioned were actually three separate battles, not one. In very-much-abreviated form: McKenna's Ultimatum (in 2315): The commander of essentially the entirety of humanity's space-navy parked his fleet in orbit and told the squabbling politicians and/or warlords on the planet to get their shit together - or be relegated to the past-tense from orbit. Case Amber (2578)A remarkably succesful attempt to thwart and drive away/destroy technologically superior fleets in order to avoid forceful annexation of one of the realms in the Periphery Kerensky's Return (2777) The grand finale of the Amaris Civil War. Only the last bastion of the Usurper remained: Terra itself and the heavily fortified space around it. Not quite to the same extent as Holy Terra in WH40k, but not as far off as you might think. And still, Kerensky managed to crack those defenses.... (to later be greeted by none other than the remains of the Royal Black Watch.) ..and it all had begun with but one word. Kerensky had said "No."

@jankostrhun8725 Жыл бұрын

She said that their goal just turned into suicide mission. She wasn't wrong.

@mrtodddelaroderie Жыл бұрын

This is why battle ships and other capital class ships should always have frigates and destroyers escorts. Horrible nay laughable tactics form a "superior " space power.

@CJ_Welch 11 ай бұрын

Wolfpack tactics go!

@Panthers7791 Жыл бұрын

What has always confused me is the fact that the Donny was NOT alone... She had smaller ships near her that the stealth ships blew up... No one ever discusses these ships or drones or whatever they are... But they are there on screen till they get destroyed in the torpedo exchange / barrage...

@scienceinsanity6927 Жыл бұрын

I think you might be the incorect one here. Every source of information on the battle from both the books and the show expressly state or show that the donnager is alone, it left behind it's support fleet bar the uncrewed tachi in it hangar in order to get to the distress signal first. The rest of the Jupiter fleet was deployed on patrol operations or in "port" at the time and thus would have taken days at minnimum to reach the donny and help. By that time the stealth ships would have captured or detroyed the knight. Captain Yao decided to leave them behind because she believed the unknown ships were belter vessels on a suicidal mission. So she didnt think any assistance was needed. They gloss over that in the show, but nod to it when she says that "whoever they are, whatever they've come to do, it just became a suicide misison" You might be thinking of another battle because Donnager class ships show up several times in the books and the show during large scale fighting where their damaged or destroyed.

@alexkatc59 Жыл бұрын

The Donnager did not deploy his carried escort-ships for some stupid reasons like a captain's pride looks like. Minimal order consisted from 1 Tachi-class corvette and 2 destroyers could change the result, what to say about full? I clearly remember that Donnager's full order of carried escort-ships consist from 2 corvettes and 6 destroyers. It would be 9 against 6 in normal situation and 4 against 6 if Captain gave order to deploy escort-ships (1 corvette and 2 destoyers at that moment).

@alexkatc59 Жыл бұрын

@@scienceinsanity6927 I clearly remember that Donnager had 1 corvette and 2 destroyers at that moment. The only reasons, why they was not deployed, were captain's pride and stupidity.

@gabrieliacoboni6951 Жыл бұрын

First! Er I mean second or something like that.

@satanlover134 5 ай бұрын

the shadow is stupid it would have observation drones to counter this tactic

@CommanderSix Жыл бұрын

If you can become a more Based version of The Templin Institute, it would be lauded and appreciated.

@schristi69 Ай бұрын

All of your PDCs on one side are disabled, Do you use the maneuvering thrusters to spin the ship to bring your active weapons to bear? Nope. Tactical plot hole?

@sumukhvmrsat6347 Ай бұрын

Battleship has a big brig for prisoners , but not enough Marines or gaurds to take down few droppods from 2 light frigate ships , and not deploying the escort ships inside let it be 1 or 6 , too stupidly arrogant and flawed , 😂🎉 6 stealth focks won a phyrric disrespect battle